RENO NERF REVEALED! Is he finally dead? Major Twist changes announced! 

This patch basically says “hey we really like handbuff Paladin and insanity warlock hope you do too. See ya next month.”

Warlock, Paladin and Rogue really struggling, so thank God they left them alone.

You can’t make a mechanic like Reno’s fair just by making it more expensive. It’s always going to be a heavily one sided feels bad even if his actual decks aren’t tier 1. At this point, if they refuse to get rid of such an awful design, the LEAST they can do is offer control alternatives so that you’re not forced to play Reno or don’t play control whatsoever

I don't know. I doubt this does anything, tbh. For me, it'll be play just to complete quests and then log off until the new expansion drops. This meta is very very unfun. It's not Stormwind bad, but it feels bad compared to how it was during Voyage and Titans, and even Festival.

I really can't understand how so many people have a completely warped perception of what Reno does. Reno is NOT an Anti-Aggro Card. It never was. Competent Aggro Decks are gonna be pushing for lethal - on average - by turn 6 or 7. In Wild they are pushing for lethal as early as turn 4 if they curve out perfectly. (Shadow Priest and Rogue mostly). Even at the original 8 Mana, Reno would have done nothing against these decks. If Aggro doesn't win by turn 7-8, they are not going to win at all - regardless of Reno. Yes, they are going to be those rare moments where playing Reno exactly on curve would prevent lethal and allow you to stabilize, but those are the exception - not the norm. At it's core, Reno Lone Ranger is a tool to deal with Mid to Late Game Value Engines and Win Conditions. Think Sargeras Portal, or the purified Dragon Nest, Deathrattle and Resurrection Strategies, stuff like that. And in that regard, Reno Lone Ranger is unbelievably poorly designed - because it makes almost every Board-Based Late Game Win Condition irrelevant. Control vs Control is going to turn into a game of chicken, because Reno is going to be mandatory. Whoever plays him first, loses - Because they can't remove the opponents Win Condition anymore. So unless you want every Late-Game Win Condition to be a degenerate "Deal 50 Damage from Hand" Combo that doesn't NEED a board to win - Reno Lone Ranger would have to receive mechanical changes, not changes to the Mana Cost.

I had a feeling that the reno nerf would just be a 1 mana adjustment rather than a mechanic rework.

Nerf handbuff paladin.. always removing power to control decks..

Neither the reeno nore the zilliax nerf will change a thing.

"We noticed aggressive Warlock and Paladin decks are running the game right now. As such, we've decided to nerf the two remaining control tools." Certified Blizzard moment.

It doesn't matter how much mana reno costs because his purpose is giving you an uncontested setup turn, you can't do shit with only one board slot

Reno is still alive and rocking

I feel like they should just put reno at 8 and have it clear both boards. Just make it a neutral twisted nether.

More vulnerable against aggro but Doesn’t change a thing for any control match up. Reno doesn’t come down at 9 mana right away anyways

First Post-Expansion Patch two weeks later sounds preatty scary considering the Windfury Neutral Pirate

A thing they need to start considering with balance patches, is that when they hard nerf one deck archetype, that makes another deck (even more) broken, which they barely compensate. Even as a paladin player i admit, the current tier 1 paladin decks are a bit too strong

Sorry Zeddy I wish Reno were fundamentally changed. Let them empower control! But not like this. Release more good board clears for mid-game, instead.

The steady decrease of slower games/control support is to increase appeal for the mass of commuter/toilet-seat players on mobile; whom I assume make up a majority of the remaining playerbase.

Honestly, the whole paladin is the dev teams favourite class meme has to be seen as a fact by this point.

Why does it feel like whoever is in charge of balancing doesn't play their own game?

Zilliax still costs 1-mana in dollmaster dorian tempo druid decks. Elusive needed to be removed from the card.

They could have made Celestial Projectionist "Battlecry: Choose a friendly minion that cost (8) or less." so it can't copy Giants.

Handbuff Pally has been so obnoxious, sad to see no nerfs but I guess the class has been nerfed too much recently.

I keep really trying to enjoy hearthstone but the more i try the more i just cry. It has just turned into a game about taking everything to the absolute extreme as fast as possible

Unless they make the C'thun deck broken that passive change of %25 increase is going to do nothing

the module I use is costs one less with every minion on the board so that doesnt really effect me

It's like asking a genie to cure your cancer and they just make it so you don't get cancer until a year later. Change the damn card text!

the mana value isn't the problem when it comes to mechanics like reno and brann.

Thanks for the content, Zeddy!

In other news: I just got one turn killed by a shaman spamming zero cost nature spells on turn 5 😃 I had 30hp btw and minions on the board. I love that they can do this.

I used to hate aggro just as much as the rest of Hearthstone players but cards like Reno, Sif and Odyn made me hate modern control just as much. You at least know by turn 3 or 4 if you get to play the game or not against face aggro while those decks just have you praying for 15 minutes that your opponent didn't draw the one card that just ends the game unless you're playing the same uninteractive draw RNG trash or hyper aggro yourself. IMO they should've made Reno cheaper but only poof minions without boardlocking so Highlander decks don't delete slower board strategies including locations by default rather than just making it strictly worse against the already dominating decks.

Damn, my tier 3 giant rogue is now useless, oh well, extra deck slot

Can you make a video on a new method of exp farm?

Reno mana change made Even Wheel Warlock stronger, you no longer need to hide Reno inside an ETC.

I am sad. Now my Pogo-Hopper deck will be unplayable again. It was so good since projectionist and the mech-tutors. This might be the first time I would have actually preferred the "not less than (1)"-change.

I'm still confused. Isn't the only semi viable Reno deck Warrior?

I still am very baffled as to WHY Reno needed a nerf. Most games end way before Reno ever is even considered playable.

Why did they not touch paladin

When they nerf twist heroes can we disenchant the card needed for full cost? Like Dr Boom for example

Maybe some gaps will be filled for the board clears for Reno decks. Sad to see him fall all the way to 10 when the meta is just filled with so many fast decks

Zirimi took me straight to legend last week from D5, lost 1 game. If you know what your doing its really good for anybody wondering what deck to try and get legend before the month ends.

No buffs to the hl tauren Minion to compensate the double Nerf on Reno?! It should be 5 mana

Keep up the good work, Zeddy

Can we talk about why when you play cards that set health of minions to 1 why this doesn’t work on Astral Automaton….

holy fk im sick of insanity warlock and im definitely disenchanting reno after this nerf

How do you stop getting Reno from coming to the party without stopping inviting him? You just make it more expensive for him to come

You can’t make a mechanic like Reno’s fair just by making it more expensive. It’s always going to be a heavily one sided feels bad even if his actual decks aren’t tier 1. At this point, if they refuse to get rid of such an awful design, the LEAST they can do is offer control alternatives so that you’re not forced to play Reno or don’t play control whatsoever.

Nice bugfixes, sill can't open the chat on mobile (Android) and when I attempt to do that I can no longer interact with anything in the game.

I seem to lose quite a bit to Reno, usually, when I can’t draw my own Reno.

The issue with Hearthstones patches that make no sense to me is that they REFUSE to adjust card text. They'll change mana cost or sometimes stats or if they're feeling really spicy add a number to a condition or remove a keyword. But they refuse to actually ADJUST THE CARDS MECHANICS. Cards like Brann and Reno are going to always be fucking busted overpowered in control matchups unless you change how they work. Any game that gets to turn ten Reno will massively swing the game in someone's favor no matter what. Adjusting the mana cost of these cards is just slowing them, meaning they're still going to be overpowered in longer balanced matches, but vs aggro they're going to be too slow to be played ever. They should change Reno to limit both players to one space, it's literally more thematic that way, it'll feel like an actual standoff where both players have to pick a minion, and eliminates the issue with Reno where it just gives the user a ton of free setup and getting rid of the opponents room for counterplay. Brann should be changed to where your next battlecry triggers twice after you excavate a treasure. That way these cards can be less insanely frusterating and overpowered without just changing their mana costs so that they can't ever be played in this current game state where matches never last that long. Unfortunately Blizzard is deathly allergic to changing card text for any reason, but at least they could lower the power level of these insanely hard to beat frusterating buff paladin and giant warlock.

If they plan to nerf reno again I think the only change that makes sense is making it limit to 2 board spaces

I doubt there will be any highlander specific cards in the next expansion anyway so might be time to dust

Helya and Boomboss Thogrun are the most harmful to the game so long as there is no counter to remove cards in your deck that didn’t start there

No wild changes is crazy

They need to make new control-inspired cards, then.

Fuck was not given says Reno.

My automaton deck is dead, they kill the 5 mana copy card, they kill the 2 mana guy, what is next? A nerf to the automaton?

I don't see him dead tbh, 1 Mana extra doesn't kill it but definitely slower

No arena update?

While I enjoy Highlander strategies, Reno was just way too toxic. He's a perfect representation of modern HS card design. It's fun if you play him, but it feels terrible to play against him.

maybe this expansion and bundle will bring me back

I play almost every day yet I thought Reno was 10 mana

Reno is still going to be as oppressive in the current meta game. This might give some long-needed space for midrange decks, but shouldn’t affect highlander too much

From every 10 games I believe about half are against buff paladin, the rest are a combination of giant warlock or Dr.Boom Warrior, maybe a Druid if someone is feeling creative. I barely see any reno decks, so for me the reno nerf is understandable but there are far worst problems

Keep up the good work ZEDDY

That lie that cthun has no clears or removal is hilarious and just makes people not play it. He does. You’re bad if you’re losing consistently with him.

The Reno change isn't that bad...the changes are all pretty OK. I've still never tried Twist. >.< Anyway, ty for the updates!

Gotta draw this, then get it online first, then have some kind of game plan. Seems too slow for modern hearthstone to me.

No handbuff paladin nerfs 😂😂😂😂😂 What a joke

Reno wasn't a problem for a lot of decks (and I think decks like insanity warlock or handbuff pally should have been looked at too) but I feel like he was one of the reasons most if not all control decks were highlander ; there is definitely a "feels bad" part to the changes but hopefully it means not every control deck will be highlander

Oh, look netfs to standard that will do absolutely nothing to the format

So now I can run two 10 mana Reno’s in a weird deck I made? Neat.

So… Reno to 11 mana next?

Now i can make EVEN RENO PRIEST 😊

Control decks are struggling because of their popularity. Reno and Zilliax and particular completely choke any midrange strategy that can't kill you from in hand, which forces every single competitive deck to be a combo or an aggro deck in order to not automatically lose 40% of its matches. These 2 card are the worst offenders of making the board irrelevant, and in order for Control to be viable and healthy, they need to die. Else, stop complaining about how "the board doesn't matter", RENO AND ZILLIAX ARE THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THE BOARD DOESN'T MATTER

Nice even hunter would be a little more fun to play

i miss reno at 8 tbh i think 10 mana is too much reno decks aren’t really tier 1 anymore and reno at 8 still wouldn’t be a big issue imo

oh nooooo call an ambulance, but not for reno

Xyrella needed her deck adjusted. The colossal needs to go.

I still need that mega zega zeddy let's go boys! :D

A 1 mana nerf to the virus module isn't enough. Preferably rework the effect, but if not that, make it 10 mana.

Until they nerf boomboss nothing much will change. You can keep making good cards more expensive but it won't change much when most decks are value oriented and don't mind losing a bit of tempo to play expensive cards

When will they fix wild...... Seed broken as hell free horror on turn 2 + giants, now with set health to 15 with a 4 mana 6/6 taunt.... Raza priest wild has no weaknesses, bunch of hand distruption and broken hp spam and can abuse Zephyrs, Nalak, Greyworm etc with Raise dead Both seed and Raza is so op with Raise dead, top 5 card of all time in my opinion. Should cost 2 or give random minions of same cost

Making Reno 10 from 9 literally doesn’t change anything. They should have kept the 9 and remove the next turn restriction which is just way too oppressive in combination with the *poof* mechanic. It can even be 8 mana without that.

Nooo i been playing odd warriorrr

Just give me the bindle !!!🎉

Paladin is insanely broken this expansion. That 4 mana weapon that has lifesteal and gives minions in hand 1/1 is broken. and then building stats on top. Also rogue's weapon that has lifesteal and increases durability after playing cards from other classes is also broken.

O caminho que os desenvolvedores estão dando ao jogo é realmente muito triste cada dia fica menos agradável jogar o jogo

Eh, one extra mana isnt too bad. Gonna keep rocking my reno warrior.

Boardclears as strong as reno shouldn't be neutral cards either. Print seperate board clears for each class that has a control archetype like we used to. I hate the "lets make a super powerful neutral card that is super popular" design philosophy

I play wild, the top 5 tier 1 decks, 4 are rogues. But reno its the problem 😂

Next time "balance patch" they will make Reno manacost 11, just bcs "why not, poor aggro and masohist warlocks struggle too much",146% prognose)))

Cool, 3200 Dust to hold until the meta says otherwise.

Seems like good Changes to me

Zilliax nerf was 100% justified but Reno and Celestial Projectionist changes were horrible. Instead of actually dealing with the actual issues (Even/Pain Warlock and Popgar) they nerf the tier 3 decks.

Im so glad that im making my own decks and having fun winning with owl druid and no one gives a flying thing about my cards😂

No. cthun passive does not do justice.

Should have nerfed Brann instead of Reno and virus module. 6 mana brann, next 3 battlecries are doubled.

This does nothing, I'm so done with this game, the people siding with reno only play toxic high win rate decks, the creativity in this game is shot, and I can't deal with this anymore

Reno shouldn’t be able to remove portals. Sargaris and dragon Druid is unplayable

reno should just do the stadoff effect on both sides instead of just your opponent. That would still be crazy but not as unilateral and would require some decisions on when to do it