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Repair of old AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator) PCB. 

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A look at an old AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator) PCB that I was asked if I could fix. these devices are used in generators to regulate the output voltage, which they do by varying the DC excitation of the rotating (rotor) central core of a generator. A generator works by spinning a polarised magnetic field inside an external (stator) group of coils to induce current in them as an alternating AC waveform. By varying the magnetic field of the internal rotor by applying DC current via slip rings, you can adjust the voltage generated.
In this case the AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator) is powered by the output voltage and also uses it to monitor voltage and frequency. It doesn't regulate the frequency, since that is done by the device rotating the generator, but it can detect if it's dropping too low and stop applying excitation for protection against high current flow. It monitors the voltage and compares it to a set value to determine if DC excitation of the rotor is required, and if it is then this unit uses a thyristor to switch the power to the rotors excitation coil on one half of the output waveform.
The operation of these generators generally requires a residual magnetic field in the rotor to even start producing electricity, so if a generator has not been used in a long time and that field has diminished too low to induce enough current in the output (stator) windings to provide its own excitation current, then it is sometimes necessary to disconnect the excitation windings and apply a DC current briefly (often from a starter battery) with the correct polarity to put in a base magnetic field to get the system running again. This is called flashing.
This video also shows how some fairly innocent passive components can fail as opposed to the more common active components. In this case it was a resistor that was being used well within its rating, but failed in a manner that left no obvious sign of the damage you normally see with less passive resistor failure.
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@SimplyElectronicsOfficial
@SimplyElectronicsOfficial 7 лет назад
I work as an electronics repair engineer for industrial automation electronic circuits. Generally I first check fuses, then check for shorts on input and output. If no shorts are visible, I power up and see what happens (or doesn't) Sometimes a good bang! Usually the common faults are fuses, electrolytic caps, and your silicon components i.e short from collector to emitter on IGBTs or shorts on MOSFETS. Logic IC's can also sometimes go bad, if you haven't got a logic tester, swap them out anyway. Sometimes it's as simple as the caps or a varistor gone boom from a surge, other times it takes you hours to figure out what the hell is wrong. But that's why I love electronics engineering, there's always a good puzzle to solve :D
@robertparkes4982
@robertparkes4982 7 лет назад
Big Clive makes interesting videos that are far more entertaining and informative than anything on TV.........Keep up the good work Clive, because there are many of us who really enjoy your stuff !!
@bojackh5812
@bojackh5812 5 лет назад
I love those old and well designed circuits, thanks for showing it
@MoKargas
@MoKargas 7 лет назад
I'm just a hobbyist, but I learn so much from this channel
@Darieee
@Darieee 7 лет назад
These troubleshooting/fixing videos are awesome ! Loving this stuff
@fig8man
@fig8man 7 лет назад
This video made me very happy. I don't know why, I just like it.
@davidberriman5903
@davidberriman5903 Год назад
Markon was a company on its own. I worked on a lot of their product in the early 80s. All the machines I saw were 4 pole synchronous machines. The exciter machine rotor was on the same shaft as the main alternator rotating field. They were coupled together with a three phase full wave bridge rectifier. I never saw a Markon alternator with slip rings. They were all brushless. Markon was purchased by Cummins Generator Technologies. CGT id a body part of Cummins Inc. They combined Markon with another acquisition called Sawafuji. So if you search the combined name you will find them. My last job was with Cummins South Pacific doing exclusivel diesel generators from cute little toys up to 2 MVA. I played with an installation that had sixteen of those running as a diesel peaking power station. All up I had about thirty five years of diesel power generation. I have never seen one of those AVRs. The AVRs I saw in Markon alternators were not branded Markon. I think they were branded Contrology but I'm not sure. Love your work Clive thank you.
@bikefarmtaiwan1800
@bikefarmtaiwan1800 4 года назад
Nice explanation of how that circuit works. Very helpful for those that want to learn how to understand circuits. Thanks
@gmerson951
@gmerson951 7 лет назад
Thank you so much for this, Clive. I've been struggling with this for ages. I'm talking about the return path (AC). This video doesn't intentionally cover it, but it filled the missing jigsaw piece for me. I phone my Dad a lot about it (he used to do similar stuff to the video you did about your training -he also did stuff fot the Navy and went on to Mainframe computers), but felt I sounded stupid asking questions that I didn't have the words for (there are no stupid questions; just stupid answers) Just saying, cheers, your videos help a lot.
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 7 лет назад
The only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked ;)
@randomvideosn0where
@randomvideosn0where 7 лет назад
No, there are definitely stupid questions.
@NicholasAarons
@NicholasAarons 7 лет назад
Fantastic Video Clive. It was so informative & helpful. Keep up the great work. Nick.
@rogergreenwood1536
@rogergreenwood1536 2 года назад
Well done for talking about AVRs for so long and not mentioning "droop" :-) Great video, I wonder if it is still working nearly 6 years later...
@Richardproctor
@Richardproctor 7 лет назад
I love your videos they are so relaxing to watch and learn lot. Keep up the your good work thank you
@michaelhawthorne8696
@michaelhawthorne8696 7 лет назад
just a point about measuring in circuit resistors (Which I'm sure you're aware of )..... If you measure across a resistor, the reading cannot be higher than the spec of the resistor because of external parallel routes. If the external circuits are of low values of ohms then they might mask the faulty resistor but if they are of a higher value then the faulty resistor may reveal itself. Love your vids by the way Clive
@Indiskret1
@Indiskret1 7 лет назад
Very nice lecture and highly interesting subject matter. Thanks a lot!
@Mprikiman
@Mprikiman 7 лет назад
This guy should get at least 500.000 subscribers...
@godfreypoon5148
@godfreypoon5148 7 лет назад
Can you repair an AvE? I know of one that has some very unusual output distortion.
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 7 лет назад
Pre-RoHS, not surprised it lasted as long as it did!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
The solder melted, reflowed and removed beautifully compared to the crusty lead free stuff we're saddled with now.
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 7 лет назад
Lead-free rework... ugh. When in doubt, add more flux. Yes, more flux. More flux. Mooooooorrre fluuuuuuuuxxxxx. Finally get the shits and dump a load of Sn/Pb into it, then remove all the nasty alloy, then clean up the flux residue, then start again from scratch while hoping you haven't cooked anything important. So much fun!
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 7 лет назад
And don't forget it's got to be the nasty flux, the stuff that doesn't burn off before you hit reflow temp (around 220c, requiring 350 on a hot air rework tool) AND you only get around 3 attempts before you've exceeded the components specifications, burnt the PCB, melted pads/track off or made a nice hole in your anti-static matting.
@i-will-get-you-there
@i-will-get-you-there 7 лет назад
Horay!! Thanks Clive for weekly "Kboom" video.. Cheers
@manolisgledsodakis873
@manolisgledsodakis873 6 лет назад
Clive, the conformal coating that used to be used for weatherproofing telephone equipment was a two-part urethane varnish. Unfortunately, i don't have precise specifications. As regards resistor failure, it's EXTREMELY common in equipment where capacitors have been secured with a petroleum-based contact adhesive (e.g. Evo-Stick). When this glue is heated, it gives off an acidic chemical, which corrodes metal - especially resistor connections. So look out for glue that's turned dark brown. It should be scraped away completely and the area cleaned with IsoPropanol.
@jlucasound
@jlucasound Год назад
Wow! You were awesome even back in the Vaudeville days! 😂 Yes, I am the Ancient One. Love You, Clive.
@rtesimpson
@rtesimpson 7 лет назад
you do great videos Clive!
@Equiluxe1
@Equiluxe1 7 лет назад
I used to build gensets using Markon alternators. On the smaller ones they used a bypass system for the AVR where if the voltage went to high it shorted the field winding's which were usually the stator in those designs, the field current was supplied by an inductor. This was even the case on 15 KVA 3 phase units up until the mid 80's. I used Markon and Newage alternator units back then but Markon were my favourite for farmers and builders as they were so simple and robust Newage were better for industrial use due to better regulation.
@josephsav8962
@josephsav8962 3 года назад
thank you it helped me for my exams
@gordonmcmillan883
@gordonmcmillan883 7 лет назад
Anyone else waiting for Clive to tell us it was the 5 Amp fuse ?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
That was the first thing checked.
@gordonmcmillan883
@gordonmcmillan883 7 лет назад
I know it was the first thing you checked Clive, it was just that you got right through the video and didn't tell us so, so I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, as it were. I managed to follow the slate elevator control, but I was struggling a little with this one. 8-)
@SiskinOnUTube
@SiskinOnUTube 7 лет назад
That's what it would be, if I was messing about, but I'm erm... only just capable of not killing myself with it. I expect Clive has a qualification or two.
@Tommyinoz1971
@Tommyinoz1971 7 лет назад
No, I was expecting the LED to be changed to a warm white one.
@ronaldcolonna3721
@ronaldcolonna3721 6 лет назад
Tommy Oz n
@28YorkshireRose12
@28YorkshireRose12 5 лет назад
And that reminds me, we need to dig out that Stamford C20B of 1978 vintage, and see if it still works! Honestly and truly, we have one on the farm - We also have a 1978 Perkins 4-154 engine to drive it, if we ever get round to marrying the two together.
@Coolkeys2009
@Coolkeys2009 7 лет назад
Looking forward to a generator set up and load test video :-)
@harrydecamp1897
@harrydecamp1897 7 лет назад
Woooaahhh i live like 5 mins away from oakham where this is made that is awsome
@Stuartrusty
@Stuartrusty 6 лет назад
Reminds me very much of the early car alternator external regulator modules, (obviously being an AC generator) where the electromagnetic rotor (armature) was excited through electronically controlled DC. Initially the DC regulation output was compared to the battery voltage by a 12 Volt 3 Watt lamp (battery symbol on the dashboard) which would light without engine running. The current flowing through the lamp would pass through the regulation circuit to the alternator slip rings to the rotating electromagnetic rotor generating a magnetic field. Once the engine runs, the magnetic field induces current in the stator supplying current to the regulator circuit causing the output voltage to rise to charging voltage for the battery, the output voltage of the regulator and battery voltage would then be the same, extinguishing the battery lamp on the dash. The current to the electromagnetic rotor will now be regulated from the regulator by sensing the DC output voltage. Interesting to see this similar principle on this circuit board.
@jeddyngosa222
@jeddyngosa222 4 года назад
Good video. I have learned alot from it. Keep it up
@glenwoofit
@glenwoofit 7 лет назад
I used to rewind Markon Generators and do repairs. Im not sure if any were 1978 era but apart from the stator back end being burnt out the usual fault was the rotor diodes. Bolted into the rotor were two diodes connected (soldered) to the rotor windings and these were the first things you checked when one came in for repair then after the usual winding tests i basicly did what you did but before we threw the semiconductors we tested them.
@TonyLing
@TonyLing 7 лет назад
That's a brushless design with the field rectification diodes on the rotor
@dotjretion
@dotjretion 7 лет назад
Great video as always, Clive. The fact you're not verified yet is criminal to be honest.
@imajeenyus42
@imajeenyus42 7 лет назад
And Oxford Electrical Products STILL make the little PT4 pulse transformer - not bad! Reason I noticed - I built a thyristor trigger circuit using them a few weeks ago ;-)
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton 7 лет назад
There are a couple of tricks to measure resistance in circuit. A low test voltage is the known solution for cases where the bypass path contains semiconductors. I have seen as low as 24 mV offered by a meter. For resistive paths you can use 4-terminal ohms measurement with the twist that the drive and sense leads are at different branches and then you swap them. For inductive bypass paths you can measure AC resistance at two or more frequencies. Another thing, the SCR may behave fine with the lamp load, but fail to stay ON after trigger with an inductive load without some help. The adjacent components might have been bad, but of course you replaced them in this case.
@fpvrcstuff
@fpvrcstuff 7 лет назад
Very interesting ..........thanks for sharing Cheers
@gartmorn
@gartmorn 7 лет назад
Spent many a happy hour cleaning up brushgear and sliprings on the 600 MW alternator sets at Longannet Power Station. We also used to check the brush lengths 'on load' so I know all about one of the drawbacks, from a maintenance perspective, of dc generators and motors, i.e. carbon brushes. Another bugbear was maintaining the switchgear for our emergency standby motors (oil pumps etc.) with mechanical timers, argh! I dare say modern switchgear is much more efficient but we used to dread getting jobs on dc plant. Just a wee insight from an electrical fitters point of view!
@letsgocamping88
@letsgocamping88 7 лет назад
Ideally to set stability, you hook up an analog meter to your generator output, with the generator running, turn stab pot until it becomes unstable then go back the other way until it just becomes stable again.
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 7 лет назад
Smashing you repaired it clive ;-D, perhaps nail varnish or car laquer spray would do for the bare components perhaps :-)
@thepussygrabbingfamilyvalu557
@thepussygrabbingfamilyvalu557 7 лет назад
question from a newbie: do i understand correctly that to regulate the voltage at 10v with the zener diode, the anode of the zener is connected to ground, and the rest of the circuit is power by this reference voltage, being connected in parallel with the zener? am i correct? something i missed?
@phonotical
@phonotical 6 лет назад
Did you keep your old place in Glasgow when you moved or has that gone now
@kusmanf
@kusmanf 6 лет назад
I have the same Markon MS1B AVR circuit in which I can adjust the voltage but not the Hz meter. It swings without able to adjust with the STAB pot. Could you give me an advice on this problem?
@Bushougoma
@Bushougoma 7 лет назад
A sharp contrast to a modern generator's AVR that's completely potted in epoxy how things have changed.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
I wanted to get some of the cheap Chinese units to make a video about, but they are all potted in black resin, which is a shame.
@neardood1
@neardood1 7 лет назад
That lower pot on the left is the Integral control adjustment of the AVR. From how Clive described it the unit functions as a P+I (Proportional + Integral) controller to regulate the voltage with an additional underspeed cutoff.
@JoshKaufmanstuff
@JoshKaufmanstuff 6 лет назад
Great Video Clive! These trouble shoot/repair videos are SO much more instructive than tear downs! Can you include more repair/mod/ reverse engineering videos? (p.s. you didn't say if you fixed the problem? . . update?)
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 6 лет назад
Yes, the AVR was fixed. The faulty component was a resistor that had changed value dramatically.
@timhumphreys3057
@timhumphreys3057 4 года назад
Great video, thankyou. I have a Plessey Aerospace 25Kva 3 phase generator which is running over voltage. It has gradually crept up and gone past the ability of the trimpot on the front of the AVR box and will no longer hold after excitation. There are 6 circuit boards in the AVR box and I think I might have a go at testing/ replacing some of the common components after watching your video. Although one of the boards has 5 trimmer potentiometers/ resistors and one of the screws appears to be much further out than the others. Problem is there are 2x 20k 1x 5k 1x 2k and 1x1k so don't think i can compare them? Unless the one 20k is at min or max value then it might be worth adjusting to see the effect?
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers 7 лет назад
Brought back memories of fault finding on Lucas (Prince of Darkness.) ACR alternators, which were controlled in a similar way. They were really crap.
@JoshKilen
@JoshKilen 7 лет назад
nice fix
@porkgoog5383
@porkgoog5383 7 лет назад
You are the best clive
@petti78
@petti78 7 лет назад
That actually looks almost modern for the time... in a way.
@Worldwidegam3r
@Worldwidegam3r 7 лет назад
I thought that too
@Yemto
@Yemto 7 лет назад
To me it looks home made, at least compared to the ones my dad used to make.
@SiskinOnUTube
@SiskinOnUTube 7 лет назад
1978 with an LED! Quite impressive.
@joinedupjon
@joinedupjon 7 лет назад
I think I know what you mean, you can go out and buy a heatsink and a lot of the components that still look like that. I think that LED was probably old inventory in '78 cos the 3 & 5 mm plastic package were available by that time which looked like the ones you can still get now.
@dragontirex6331
@dragontirex6331 7 лет назад
Well, my Sony TC-U2 tape deck uses an led for the record indicator and it was made in 1978 too. It was weak so I had to put another resistor in parallel with the original to increase the brightness :)
@voltare2amstereo
@voltare2amstereo 7 лет назад
a schematic could be handy - its all off the shelf style, could be handy for diy gensets
@jasondreckmann3396
@jasondreckmann3396 6 лет назад
Hey Clive, i really enjoy your video's! Ive got a question though, i fix up small (3-10kw) generators quite often and am wondering if you have a suggestion for any universal aftermarket avrs that would hopefully be more reliable than the original chinese crecent shaped ones.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 6 лет назад
I couldn't recommend any specific one, but it might be worth buying a few different types and experimenting with them.
@dougankrum3328
@dougankrum3328 7 лет назад
I like this...probably 30+ years old...!
@veraxis9961
@veraxis9961 7 лет назад
Not entirely comparable, but I have spent time fixing up several 1970's-era HP 141T spectrum analyzers, and I found that the resistors in those fail open-circuit quite often. The linear voltage supplies in the display mainframes run fairly warm and are the most common failure. When it isn't one of the transistors, it is usually a resistor. Thanks to the non-switching linear supplies, the old electrolytics have actually proven reasonably robust and rarely fail outright.
@DRCHUCKWRIGHTMD
@DRCHUCKWRIGHTMD 7 лет назад
Thanks for the great videos. The power supply voltage converter on my 2013 MacBookPro 15" won't allow the battery to charge once again...this is the 4th time in one year. They mentioned some carbon resulting in a burn again. The last time it was repaired, they mentioned that the charging circuit internal to the computer. That is to say the charging circuit between the adapter to the motherboard. Is there any way to fix this so it won't break again? Or a way to plug a different charging hook up internal to the computer. What would be the perfect fix would be to hook the laptop to a DeWalt tool battery (20V)...I'd need to get the components. I've cleaned the contacts which worked he first time and now won't fix or "band-aid" the computer. The computer is way out of warranty but the repairs are getting expensive. Seems like the component is the magnetic attachment of the charger to the computer gets really hot. thanks, Chuck
@jlucasound
@jlucasound Год назад
I had a resistor fail in a Heathkit Scope while using it at work. It took out a ceramic capacitor and a VP. It stopped there. The shop was moving, I had asked about the scope, the scope was owned by the bosses friend, couldn't contact him, it became mine. Replaced the burned parts, it worked. It needs to be recapped. One day.
@dragan3290
@dragan3290 5 лет назад
I have a Dunlite generator with one unit output of 50 hz frequency at 300 volts. And another Dunlite generator with 50 to 90 hz at 4 volts even though I plugged a fan ito it? Any reply appreciated thanks?
@poet99999
@poet99999 Год назад
what would be your preferred way to remove the soft potting material? ive got a AVR out of a Honda eb12d generator, they havent been made in 30 years so repair is my only option
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
If it's the rubbery material then it can be picked out carefully. If it's resin it's harder and requires a bit of heat.
4 года назад
High, I have a 3 Phase 400V 11.5 KVA alternator with slip rings. Exciting field resistance is 8 Ohms. Can you help me to seize a proper AVR, what would be the current requirement?
@kusmanf
@kusmanf 6 лет назад
Clive, I am going to build this Markon AVR and I do not know the pulse transformer winding details, Could you help me to find it?
@murraymadness4674
@murraymadness4674 4 года назад
I need to build a much simpler one..basically 15v dc to the rotor is good enough. The exciter winding produces 7vac, but once it is up to power, it produces 150vac, so makes it complicated. I am trying just a simple bridge with 15v zener, what will go wrong?
@freddiesnijman
@freddiesnijman 7 лет назад
Thank you!
@thedavesofourlives1
@thedavesofourlives1 5 лет назад
It would be great to get a teardown of a modern honda/clone AVR with feedback winding/trim pot etc.
@mohamedtalaat3662
@mohamedtalaat3662 5 лет назад
I haavrve an stamford mx321, the generator output voltage is not stable the output line voltage ranges from 381to 410 volts l changed the stability trimmer and the volt trimmer in the avr and the problem remains,when I connected a new avr it works properly ,is there any repairs could be done to the old avr ???
@knik3
@knik3 7 лет назад
I always thought these cute LEDs have plastic base. I still have two of them unused, just checked and the base is indeed ceramic.
@MANMA25434
@MANMA25434 6 лет назад
please bro whats the similar chips that i can put to replace that motorola MC 14584BCP FZR 9621 ? CD40106 ? CD40106BE ? 40106 DIP-14 ?
@Charliegray83
@Charliegray83 7 лет назад
Aye markon still on the go I still use the 5kva in some machines miby they have been bought over but still can get hawd of there genny ends never seen one wae a AVR in ages tho
@evilutionltd
@evilutionltd 7 лет назад
I'm amazed you didn't throw a multimeter over the simple components first. Always start with the easiest things first.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 7 лет назад
but unless you lift one side, the rest of the components mess you up, if you are lifting a leg of any cheap component, might as well just lift the other and replace it
@whitcwa
@whitcwa 7 лет назад
You start with a thorough visual inspection first, then test the most likely, not the easiest. Testing each resistor could take hours. Besides, resistors aren't always the easiest to test. Without a schematic, you would need to desolder one side of each resistor. You risk damaging good components. To make it worse, the conformal coating can make testing difficult.
@Spiz103
@Spiz103 7 лет назад
So does this predate the widespread use of DIACs as driving components for TRIACs?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
The diac is normally used as a simple threshold device for dimmers, but in this case a chip with a decisive switching edge is being used.
@impalaestates
@impalaestates 3 года назад
I have a generator with the same AVR fitted. It failed when the generator went to an over voltage and then blew the fuse on the AVR board. I replaced the fuse and after 20 seconds it blew again. Once the fuse was blown the generator produced no power. Could this be a similar fault and if not, any ideas?
@NekitaNet
@NekitaNet 7 лет назад
Very interesting! :-)
@Silent_Python
@Silent_Python 7 лет назад
@bigclivedotcom may i ask why your videos are in 720p not 1080p?
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 7 лет назад
directly uploading from ipad to youtube, using the app, maxes it to 720p, to do 1080p he have to use a pc to download the file from ipad and then upload
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
720p is the maximum resolution of the iPad2. On a slow data connection it still takes a very long time to upload 720p.
@Silent_Python
@Silent_Python 7 лет назад
I know how you feel about the slow data connection my upload speed just above 1mbps
@shepardpolska
@shepardpolska 7 лет назад
my upload speed is below 0.5mbps :(
@introversiongamer
@introversiongamer 7 лет назад
Is this switch mode based? Because if not, why not just use a normal high tension voltage regulator?
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 7 лет назад
Makes me glad that my Honda EX650 generator is a very simplistic setup (though replacing the diodes & resistors on the rotor was a right PITA!!), if I had to fix an AVR then I'd have probably given up on it!! :S
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
These days you can get a wide range of AVRs online, so there's still hope if one fries.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 7 лет назад
bigclivedotcom Very true, just wish it was that simple with my EX650, getting its diodes off the rotor was just a PITA, almost ruining it in the process, but it works now, and that's what matters... :)
@HaLo2FrEeEk
@HaLo2FrEeEk 7 лет назад
Clive, maybe you can help me with something. I recently took apart a big printer (like the cabinet style ones used in business). Apart from several (lots!) of really useful parts, inside was an LED strip with an odd configuration. It has parallel sets of 7 SMD LEDs in series with 2 resistors in between each. The resistors are so small I can't see their values. What's also odd is that it looks like each set of 7 LEDs is split with a resistor, so there are 4 LEDs, then a resistor, then 3 LEDs, all in series, followed by 2 resistors and another set of 7 LEDs + 1 resistor. I'll have to look at it closer to figure out whether the 2 resistors between each set are in series or parallel with the rest of the circuit. Could you explain why they used 2 resistors between each series set, and why there's a resistor in the middle of the 7 LEDs? If it would help I can take a picture and put it on imgur or something.
@Firecul
@Firecul 7 лет назад
Maybe it's too late for me but a picture might help here if possible.
@HaLo2FrEeEk
@HaLo2FrEeEk 7 лет назад
I'll snap a picture the next time I'm down in the shop (probably later tonight).
@Phoen1x883
@Phoen1x883 7 лет назад
7 months later...
@xIntoThePitx
@xIntoThePitx 6 лет назад
You said that 7 months ago... it is time.
@whtstr2133
@whtstr2133 7 лет назад
You know, older R/C cars use a wax to seal the board, it works real well. I've had a 70's R/C airplane control board and the parts were like new, environmentally speaking (the board was fried, from too much juice I think).
@MB-st7be
@MB-st7be 7 лет назад
I was taught to solder the legs of components AFTER they have been cut, to seal the bare copper and discourage corrosion going up inside.
@henriquecasonatto8881
@henriquecasonatto8881 7 лет назад
This type of regulator is quite common in generators until the 1980s here in Brazil ... here the voltage between phase to phase is 220v 60hz
@turboslag
@turboslag 7 лет назад
It was mentioned that resistors rarely fail. Actually I frequently find failed resistors, particularly carbon, and older type carbon film. Typically they go very high value or O/C. Older type high stab and metal oxide type seem very reliable.
@sebimoe
@sebimoe 7 лет назад
Not related to the video. If we were to create the power grid from scratch - for example on mars, what should the frequency be - do you think rising frequency would be better for easier transformation? Or would that cause problems with the skin effect?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
I think these days if we could start from scratch distribution might actually be DC.
@imnaero3098
@imnaero3098 7 лет назад
How come? Could you elaborate on that?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
Much lower losses over long runs, and most modern appliances could potentially run on DC.
@imnaero3098
@imnaero3098 7 лет назад
Does the gain in distribution efficiency offset the negatives of designing a more complicated grid? Actually, before i ask that, which of the two variants (AC&DC) require the most complexity to fill a modern nations power distribution needs? Which challenges arise from a DC power grid versus an AC one? Except for now having to replace every transformer ever with a buck converter, of course...
@imnaero3098
@imnaero3098 7 лет назад
You should really do a video where you discuss the (dis)advantages of both AC & DC grids as you imagine them!
@NathonDalton
@NathonDalton 7 лет назад
Looks like Markon Engineering provided the MS1/B to Power Drive Systems where they labeled it the AVR6e. Here's some documentation that contains technical specs, steps for adjusting settings, information on how to test it as well as some very crude diagrams. www.powersystems.com.au/tech_pdfs/avr6e_manual.pdf
@guywhoknows
@guywhoknows 3 года назад
This is interesting... Not how you think.. I've a little project, and I predate electronics, so seeing this "evolution" is interesting and entirely reminds me of "complex electronics" granted some have become simple but the analogue or mechanical was and is far more simple and robust. I was simply looking for the voltage regulators and if they still live in old formats as it's been a few decades since I have seen or had one. I think the last ones, were a automobile we tend to know as the Morris minor, era as they later phased out in the production. Obviously they were not used in automobile, but in power generation on a massive scale. I think they were a inductive switch/really with two poles that regulates power. Much more simple.
@williamsquires3070
@williamsquires3070 7 лет назад
Yeah, I have about 3 or so of those little ceramic-base red LEDs, plus some like it that are IR emitters.
@mmmalad7264
@mmmalad7264 4 года назад
i have old avr i need you for explain how does it working
@practicalelectrical9416
@practicalelectrical9416 2 года назад
Sir with due respect to your knowledge , i would like to ask you very basic question . to repair any modern / current model of avr , first thing you have to do is remove the epoxy layer or you can say epoxy coating applied on its pcb . please if possible let me know the method to do so because any kind of repair is possible only after removing off this epoxy resin . thanks.
@RGSABloke
@RGSABloke 7 лет назад
Hi Clive, would be great to meet sometime at Battlefield Rest for lunch, what do you think? Thanks for sharing, great content. Kindest regards Joe.
@phonotical
@phonotical 5 лет назад
I wonder what might happen if you apply three phases to a standard motor that inky uses two (well, one) phase, would it try and pull more to one side, 1,2+3 or 1+2,3 or 1+3,2... Would it not work, or be slow to start, or fast to reach top speed... Weirdness
@ndmusick11
@ndmusick11 7 лет назад
I like using a isolating Transformer not just isolate the work but to limit the fault current as well.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
They do reduce bang volume.
@bjtaudio
@bjtaudio 7 лет назад
Some manufactures pot their electronics for protection, but it doesn't work the well, the potting resin prolongs the life but it does break down and moisture forces its way in through the fine cracks, especially if the units gets warm to hot, as it heats then cools it sucks in the moisture. The real reason for potting is so you cannot fix it and force you to buy a new one.
@eeyore6532
@eeyore6532 7 лет назад
I imagine if you put some lacquer or something on the IC's it would help to hold them in and to keep moisture out of the sockets.
@muhammedkhan9311
@muhammedkhan9311 4 года назад
Hello i am used the Avr on alternator but voltage is not increase on rated voltage. then replaced the Avr few days is normal working but now off load is ok put on load then avr is below how the problem
@Spiralem
@Spiralem 7 лет назад
Imagine repairing a modern one and everything is SMT now
@TonyLing
@TonyLing 7 лет назад
They are usually potted too, but Chinese copies are delightfully cheap if ordered directly, and in my experience, not too shabbily made.
@tiagosilva3665
@tiagosilva3665 4 года назад
Hello Friend I have a problem on my AVR MS1 / B card, burned the ZD1 and I do not have the reference, Could you help me and tell what the reference? thanks, greetings
@Subgunman
@Subgunman 7 лет назад
I cringe when anyone runs a metal screwdriver around a live PC board. I have seen many let the magic smoke out with the wrong move, even worse when one deals with a fire emitting transistors. Nice to see good old fashion technology that keeps on ticking and is easy to work on.
@chompchompnomnom4256
@chompchompnomnom4256 7 лет назад
So do you repair this stuff for free for the purpose of youtube channel or do you charge?
@anthonyspeters7203
@anthonyspeters7203 Год назад
Many yrs ago around 54,l repaired avr on alternater that ran electric for tower @bardney airfield @the time was x RAF many airfields in Lincolnshire, was now been used for local gliding club of which l was a member, so l think alternator must have dated back 40s! Regulator board in very poor state quite heavy as metal cabinet 2.5ft cube broken volt meter on front,managed to replace,got new old from birkets up steep hill in lincoln, he has shop up there like aladins cave,allsorts of things there old2new electrical/electronic parts! I refurbish panel,took it home,no facilities in middle of airfield, clean up,repainted blk,complete rewire this had a carbon stake in the exciter cct in poor filthy state covered in diesel vapour as in shed with engine/alternator, took carbon stack apart for though clean, disassembled, didn't get to test it all out until l returned to bardney, connected all up to alternator set,held breath started engine and bingo working again just had to adjust nut on top of carbon stack,think from memory, long time back now,the not was connected to shaft that sat in middle of electro magnet coil which controls excitation of alternator through resistance of carbon stack, hope I've got all of that correct don't want to look a fool! That all worked a treat even when on full load that was my first attempt @ electric/electronic fault finding, had started building trf receiver @15yrs young, was25 when fixed alternator set,now long retired!
@geofflotton5292
@geofflotton5292 7 лет назад
It's a wonder the stator windings haven't mechanically broken at that age. The vibration eventually work hardens them till they break.
@charliedobbie8916
@charliedobbie8916 7 лет назад
It's a shame that boards like this don't have a log book so you can see the history of repairs made by different engineers over the years.
@blacklight4276
@blacklight4276 6 лет назад
please i need ref of mov´s V1 and V1 is possible? thanks
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 7 лет назад
What was the type number of the original schmitt chip? If 4049UB or 4069 they are still freely available, the 4049 less common, though..
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 лет назад
mc14584bcp
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 7 лет назад
Pin compatible with a 4069 but the 4069 is mostly available as unbuffered output 4069UB, the 4584 is buffered..
@umairafzal3199
@umairafzal3199 6 лет назад
Sir wich use ic in avr
@wmwanderer
@wmwanderer 7 лет назад
Gandalf wouldn't have impressed me more with his knowledge..
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