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Replacing valve stem oil seals on AMC V8 with nylon rope method. 

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A sort of how-to guide with video clips of me replacing the valve stem oil seals on an AMC V8.
The valve stem oil seals are little mushroom shaped plastic or rubber caps which sit around the top of the valve stems inside the valve springs, to prevent stray oil splashes running down the stems and into the intake and/or exhaust manifolds. You'll know if they are broken and need replacing if you get a cloud of blue-white oily smoke out of the exhausts at startup after the engine has been sitting for a while, but it clears once warmed up and otherwise runs normally.
There are two ways to do this without removing the cylinder heads - either you make a fitting and put compressed air in the cylinder to keep the valve up against its seat while you remove the spring, or you stuff something inside the cylinder and move the piston up to physically jam it in place. Quarter inch nylon rope is ideal for the latter, and I had some, so that's what I used. About a four foot length is enough, and can be reused for each cylinder. You'll also need a valve spring compressor which can be used while the cylinder is in place (some are not suitable - check before you buy!). I made a simple lever one from steel offcuts welded together, which fits over the rocker stud to press down on the valve retainer, with a suitably large hole in the middle to get the retainer clips out & back in again through.
Rather than drone on and bore you while I was doing this, I tried to keep quiet (apart from an odd thud when my head hits the hood - and I think I did well not to swear!) and have typed up a few instruction pages in between the clips & photos. I think I've covered just about everything, but forgot to mention it's a good idea to stuff rags into the oil return holes at each end of the cylinder heads while you're working on the valves, in case the retainer clips spring off and drop down there. Just make sure to remove them when finished!
I know there are other how-to guides on here, but I think this might be the first with an AMC? It's a 390 in a 69 Javelin SST with about 70,000 miles on the clock, and several of the seals had broken completely, as you can see in the photo at the end. After this little upgrade with a new set, the cloud of smoke startup has disappeared and it smells less oily while running too. Hope you find this useful!

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@tyrvidar
@tyrvidar 2 года назад
best rope trick/valve seal video on the web
@nickg1387
@nickg1387 7 лет назад
This is helpful. I dug into mine last week but the compressor is small and i didnt trust it to keep the valves up. I had heared about this trick but didnt know how much rope. Nice to actually see it being done. This will keep the stress away. Thanks.
@danmatthews3102
@danmatthews3102 4 года назад
Great job on the video. I'm getting ready to diagnose valve train noise at higher RPMs. No noise at idle. AMX 390. Runs fine.
@DaysofPainandVictory
@DaysofPainandVictory 4 года назад
Thanks! Very helpful, I’m replacing the valve springs on my AMC 360!
@TheSamplebridge
@TheSamplebridge 3 года назад
Was rebuilding the heads on my subaru and got the head on and valves and cams in and completely forgot the seals. Engine was still on a stand so I did with trick and worked no problem
@inell6
@inell6 2 года назад
Just a heads up! The rope method works, I've done it on the first 4 cylinders of a 79 Chevy 350 (ran out of daylight). But the rope can get stuck in the cylinder! Happened to me on the second cylinder. It finally came loose , but took 30 minutes of pushing pulling and panic. The closer you are to TDC the better, before you start feeding the rope.
@estebandavilaruiz22
@estebandavilaruiz22 7 лет назад
Excelente tu capacidad de compartir el tutorial del motor AMC / VAM V8 GRACIAS ¡ y te felicito
@kevinbreaux6769
@kevinbreaux6769 4 года назад
Thank you for making this video
@1955Cal
@1955Cal 8 лет назад
Thanks for the video, I'm going to attempt this on my 86 Chevy C10 with a 305ci, that's smoking on startup. The spark plugs look nice and dry so I think it's just the old valve stem seals leaking.
@dntlss
@dntlss 3 года назад
I know this is a old comment but, your spark plugs will still get dirty if its just the valve seal leaking,the oil gets down in there and eventually it will foul everything,your seals are not that bad (or were at the time of this comment) Ive seen them get so bad where the plug was coated in oil and the piston rings were still in great shape,this is due to people using those damn umbrella seals,thats 1950's stuff, viton all the way, just my 2 cents.
@joecalandriello8576
@joecalandriello8576 3 года назад
@@dntlss Thanks for the reply. I sold the truck a few years ago, and left the motor as is. I have an 03 Dodge Ram 1500 now with the 4.7 engine I'm having trouble with. I had the oil changed a few weeks ago and checked it yesterday and it was way overfilled, by maybe 2 quarts. The truck was running fine but now it won't start, it turns over fine. I have a P0172 (Bank 1 running rich) check engine light code I've been chasing for over a year that 3 different shops couldn't figure out. I wonder if it's gas mixed in with the oil, it doesn't really smell or look like it though. I'll drain some of the oil and see if it starts. I should have checked the oil right after the oil change and then I would have known for sure if it was overfilled by them.
@bryco32
@bryco32 4 года назад
Thanks for the video ! Really helped
@Hot80s
@Hot80s 9 лет назад
thanks for the rope trick. a lisle valve remover/ retainer/keeper would be 10 times easier though. One hammer blow off & back on.
@billparrack8612
@billparrack8612 3 года назад
It would be nice the written instruction were up long enough to read.it all
@brianmef71
@brianmef71 5 лет назад
You had such a nice voice... 🙂
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 5 лет назад
lol, nobody understands my accent, I'm from Yorkshire, it's simplest if I just shut up :-)
@whitecrow8140
@whitecrow8140 7 лет назад
awesum vid
@slippylizard584
@slippylizard584 9 лет назад
whats the brand tool did you use to compress the spring and would it work on a small block olds
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 9 лет назад
+Chris ODell It's a home-made spring compressor - just a couple of lengths of half inch square mild steel bar with a bit of 1/8 inch plate welded between the ends and a hole drilled in that to match the valve spring retainer and another to fasten it to the rocker bolt. And lots of red paint :-) Should work on any engine, as long as there's a suitable bolt to fasten it to. The dimensions may need altering but that's basically it. This one is probably too long, it would only need to be about 10 inches long I guess, kept getting in the way, but not really a problem as far as function goes.
@bryco32
@bryco32 8 лет назад
+Karmann Gaz What Brand of seals did you use? I keep hearing tons of conflicting comments about which ones to get. Thanks for The VID!
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 8 лет назад
I used Comp Cams 504-16 soft rubber ones.
@charlesmartin3265
@charlesmartin3265 7 лет назад
Karmann Gaz Thank you for your knowledge and experience. You've saved me a lot of money. God bless you and Merry Christmas
@matthewlooney5630
@matthewlooney5630 9 лет назад
Did this stop your motor from smokeing?
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 9 лет назад
Matthew Looney Hi, yes, no more clouds of oily smoke at startup! :-)
@matthewlooney5630
@matthewlooney5630 9 лет назад
I need to do this on my amc 304
@lucatintor4896
@lucatintor4896 2 года назад
My car BMW Serie1 116d 2012 190k km. It is burning oil 800g every 800km. There is no liking There is no smoke at all, black o blue There is no oil in the exhausted Engine behave pretty normal what Flippen is?
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 2 года назад
For that BMW engine, from what I've read on forums, that is considered normal. You could check the PCV valve, if that sticks it can make the engine use more oil, but if there's no leak and the exhaust is normal, just continue to add oil.
@lucatintor4896
@lucatintor4896 2 года назад
@@KarmannGaz Thanks for your answer first of all, The car engine is as clean as a white sheet. I went to 3 mechanics nobody mentioned the PVC valve, someone is think the seal valve, and there is a lot of confusion. What do you think? Also Can't I ruin the DFP if I keep adding oil? the car beahive nice, fast, no noise, no smoke, and no dirty thing anywhere. I dunno.
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 2 года назад
@@lucatintor4896 Easy way to tell if it's the valve stem seals is watch behind the car when you start it from cold first thing in the morning, there will be a cloud of oily smelly smoke until it warms up, then fine after that. PCV valve problem will have smoke all the time. Both will show black oily exhaust pipe though, so if yours is clean, it's not either. Does it show any fault codes on an OBD scanner?
@lucatintor4896
@lucatintor4896 2 года назад
@@KarmannGaz thanks so much for your help. Nothing at all, my BMW never produces smoke, neither in the morning nor when I drive even for 3 hours straight and I pushed it from time to time. The exhaust is always immaculate, it is so clean you can eat in it. One mechanic said that the exhausted valve was to open and he modify the parameter to normal.
@KarmannGaz
@KarmannGaz 2 года назад
@@lucatintor4896 In that case, stop worrying and just enjoy driving it! Even if it does eventually clog up the DPF, they can be professionally removed and cleaned out, no need to buy a new one. There's a place here in Yorkshire UK that specialises in doing that (Yorkshire DPF Centre), but probably others too. Doesn't sound like yours will need doing for a long time anyway. 😃👍
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