Responding to Ty Gibson and 3ABN about God Being Three Persons for Love to be Perfect 

The Godhead loved so they created. Yes God wanted more beings to love

Amen sister

Amen

Yes so true that because of God's love he brought forth a Son, the ultimate fruit of his Love even making his love even more manifest that he gave us his only begotten.. the Trinity removes God's love by saying three co eternal beings existed by no choice of their own ... Love is a choice

Babel/Babylon

@@peterwilliams843 starting with the words he uses in the video like the word rituals 😅😅😅

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 totally not a bible way 🤣

Unfortunately it seems there are quite a few who are being deceived

Very true. Unfortunately so many people bring God down to "our level" and that is what Ty does when he asks his students about how many it takes to be love. His students are being led to answer that question without taking the divine nature of God into consideration.

well said!

Good point. I had thought about bringing that thought into play here but decided to keep it for an upcoming presentation.

Same thought I had a trinity or more of husband and wives 😅😢

The husband the wife and love makes three love has a life of its own.

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 Yes Sir looking forward to it; you can also mention Abraham threesome which a third person came into the equation which also brought trouble which exist between two nations

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THATS like if a tree fell in the forest and nobody was there,would it make a noise.Let me make a note,that's the first question I'll ask God when I see Him.

@@fredsimmons2793 Yes and amen. I too will ask our Father, if like him and his Begotten Son have a spirit, Does 'god the spirit' also have a spirit?🤔

Good question!

And, When a a marriage begets 10 children, then the magic Ty number would be 12. Correct?

@@SevenThunders-si4ci yes true we can't listen to false teachings .the end is so near.i pray always not to be deceived

Then I guess With this theory of love you have to add another husband or another wife so you can have a perfect love ? Or a happy love ? 😅

@@lucianacleaningservices2229 Agreed. According to the rule of Ty Gibson, he should then argue that Adam should have been given 2 wives. It seems that his triad god must have made a mistake.

very true

No WE'RE not so clever. It is Ty who is too clever for his own good.

simple, to the point and clear

That was something I wanted to delve into also but just didn't have time.

We were able to be in the same location at the same time so it worked out. We were able to be sitting right across from each other which is far better than doing these things through technology. I do agree though that it worked really good.

agreed!

That is a good point. Thank you for watching and commenting

I think sometimes bias makes people not hear what is actually being said. Catholics have breakfast in the morning. So is breakfast suddenly a devilish practice? Of course not. Catholics also have truth in their doctrines. But where they are wrong, they are terribly wrong. But God will save his people from every church by the revelation of the truth.

Actually No. Check this verse out: Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (This means no beginning). What can I say, its sort of a language barrier in that our brains buckle at the thought of an endless past, we deal better with an endless future I suppose, but its basically us stumbling at understanding certain terminology. Think of John also, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was GOD. The moment you get to the word was God - there is no beginning. The son hath life in himself. He is life. Grasping this is not easy. We must pray sincerely ans study more and more and more, until we come into the full image of him who bought us by his precious blood.

@@nkosimoyo2868 In proverbs 8:23 the phrase "from everlasting" is different than "through everlasting". The last phrase means without beginning but the first phrase means a beginning sometime in eternity past. John 1:1 is a powerful verse for sure! I will have a video dealing with it sometime in the near future but in short the verse says "In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with (ho) God [the Father], and the Word was God [missing "ho" so it isn't referencing an individual but a nature so it is saying Jesus has the same nature as the Father]". So the phrase "Word was God" has nothing to do with age but nature.

Sadly accurate

that is a good way of putting it. unfortunately people seem to get hung up on the "beauty" part and totally miss the "absurd" part!

Good point on the triangulation thought

unfortunate but true!

Those are definitely good questions!

Exactly it’s all together hand in hand 🖐️ with the papal sistem

@@Whitespike77 a lot of ppl out there misleading us.i loved these guys explanation to us.all 3 God Jesus and the holy Ghost are separate persons.they have the same mindset .characters.but not 3 ppl in one body with 3 heads.God is love and was from the foundation .let us all pray to not be deceived by these other pastors twisting the bible and sop.

@@donnaearwood1009 you didn’t address the quotes.

We understand the Holy Person to be the omnipresence of the spirit of Christ. It is referred to as a person because it brings the personal presence of Christ to us. He is the only mediator between men and God. On the other hand, notice how Ellen White said "the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person". She didn't say God was three persons. In fact, nowhere would we see any such language by her or any other Adventist in her days. We aren't omnipresent as God is, thus, we have a limited understanding of what his omnipresence is like, but we do know that the Holy Spirit is that very omnipresence and not an actual individual that we will ever meet face to face. We have a few discussions and messages on the subject that compare different statements which can be helpful. Here are a couple of suggestions: The Personhood of the Holy Spirit in Adventism ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K7qbbvOdk38.html The Spirit of God - Who or What is the Holy Spirit? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PB7IkA7IKL8.html Blessings.

Your first quote on the HS walking the grounds is not something she wrote. it is something someone thought they heard her say. The following quote applies here: "And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works. Are there any points of interest concerning which she has not written, do not eagerly catch up and report rumors as to what she has said." 5T 696.1. So this shouldn't be used as a "proof text". With that said, it isn't a complicated subject when taken in the context of other statements such as :"It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18 or a published one "The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter." RH August 26, 1890, par. 10 As to the second quote it is a non trinitarian statement for we certainly do believe the Holy Spirit is a power. It is triunitarians who try to say it isn't a power but a third intelligence

Hi @@S.D.P & @NamelessUsers, Thank you for your answers. I have held the same opinion for a long time. When I debate my brothers in the faith about these quotes, they choose not to see it that way. This makes me have difficulty understanding why God would inspire her to write it in that language. I guess there are always hooks for unbelief.

that is a clear concise way of putting it

If you wanted a discussion I would have one with you but you don't want a discussion you want a debate. So even if you were right, you are still wrong. Please take your unholy spirit elsewhere. You don't seek for truth, you take pride in defending a dogma. If you believe you have the truth then create your own channel and present it there. Jesus didn't follow the pharisees around pointing out their error. Quite to the contrary the only time He really engaged them was when they tried to trap him much the way you are trying to trap people here. "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 1 John 2:6

Amen Andrew. You deliver a warranted rebuke. The spirit of Chris is one of division and discord. I have recently responded to him after a similar comment of his on another platform. I did say that I did not give up hope for him, and that he may find his way back to the old truth.@@andrewwhitehurst5001

Chris what are you talking about?

@@paulborg869 prior to Jesus’ existence, were there three living persons of the Heavenly Trio? Or do just two living persons exist for an endless eternity?

some really good points

The HS is a power and that quote is a good one showing just that. The next one you quote there is not actually a quote but someone's opinion of what they THOUGHT they heard her say. It is not one of her published works

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Manuscript 20, 1906. Personality of the Holy Spirit.-We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.-Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5} The Holy Spirit is clearly a divine Person. Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

Amen and agreed. We could nickname him, dark eye rabbi Ty? 🤔

Where can you find this is in the Bible ? Bible doesn’t mention god the son of god the spirit … only God the father

Jesus is the begotten son of The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the father and the son of

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another"

@@User-f2f2v DA 439 “Your energy and efficiency in the upbuilding of my kingdom, Jesus says, depend upon your receiving of My Spirit.” 13MR 313.3 “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ; it is His representative.” 14 MR 84.3 - “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency, that through His grace we might be complete in Him.” Written January 2, 1894, from Melbourne, Australia, to Jacob Christiansen, captain of the mission ship Pitcairn EMs 36-1891 par 42 - “God help us that we may be sanctified through the truth and that sanctification shall have its influence to leaven those that are around us-not the leaven of malice, not the leaven of jealousy, not the leaven of evil surmisings, but it is the leaven of the spirit of Jesus Christ, which is sent down from heaven, called the Holy Ghost, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” EA 231.1 “True faith and repose in God are always accompanied by the illuminations of the Holy Spirit, whose temple we are. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, it is His representative. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity.” AA 49.2 “Christ declared that the divine influence of His Spirit was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of Pentecost to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” RH, January 24, 1882 par. 3 “It is the indwelling of Christ in the soul, the development of his spirit in the life. The Christian experience is a constant effort to conform the human will to the will of Christ, and to form the character according to the divine model.” GCB April 25, 1901, Art. A, par. 16 “We need an abiding Christ. The angels of God are near us to help us in our work. We are co-laborers with God, and we need the Spirit of Christ. Let us walk with Christ, and then we shall always be in connection with heaven. The sweet Spirit of the Saviour will fill our hearts, enabling us to help one another.” RH April 5, 1906, par. 16 “The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ. This union is represented by the union of the vine and the branches. Finite man is united to the manhood of Christ. Through faith human nature is assimilated with Christ's nature. We are made one with God in Christ.” 25LtMs, Ms 61, 1910, par. 10 “We must have more of the spirit of Jesus Christ. Your standard must be held with a firm grasp and our souls brought under the sanctification of the Holy Spirit of Christ.” RH February 1, 1912, par. 14 “When we welcome the spirit of Christ into our hearts, he gives his grace in large measure. When we reach out for him, he reaches out for us. Never does he refuse the hand that is stretched out for aid.” RH, November 29, 1892 par. 3 “..the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.” 9T 189.3 “They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit-the Spirit of Christ-is to bring unity into their ranks.”

@@User-f2f2v The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as THE Comforter. RH August 26, 1890, par. 10

I would be really interested to see how many verses imply 3 gods and how many say 1 God.

@@qztip I think within your statement lies the answer: the best they can do is read implications into verses to get 3 gods but there are many verses that explicitly state there is one

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 That has been my experience as well. I have logos, perhaps I’ll make a day of it and see what happens.

@@qztip I use Logos as well

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 it is an amazing tool

Why does 'us' have to be three? “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate-a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1,2. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” PP p. 34 In this statement, AN associate, A co-worker and then it clearly states who that associate and co-worker is - Chirst, the Word, the only begotten of God.

You say that "God in the Bible shows us that he is 3 persons". You then quote Genesis 1:26 as proof. Read the following: "And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God." . 1SG 17.1. So God is actually singular and it is the Father and that is why the next verse is singular therefore Genesis 1:26 doesn't prove a triune god. Proverbs 8:30 is Jesus speaking, correct. But it doesn't say He has always been, quite to the contrary it says He had a beginning. "When there were no depths, I was *brought forth*; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I *brought forth*:" "And if you deepen your study you will find that Salvation is worked by them 3." I have not found a verse saying that but I have found the following verse which speaks of the plan of salvation. Mal 6:13 "and the counsel of peace shall be between them both (literally two)."

I’ve read it just now. What are you referring to exactly?

That is a good point

@@andrewwhitehurst5001 One evangelist said: "You cannot find Christ in theology, but there's theology in Christ." in beholding the life of the son of God from his incarnation to his death and resurrection, what beauty, what wonder fills the soul.