*Errata_**_________________________________________* Abu Hanifa passed away 767CE, not 676. 15:26 - The hadith displayed is the wording of Jabir b. Abdullah, as recorded by Bayhaqi 17:13 - *hajata* ✓ | "hajatan" x 19:11 - *ahlul-ahwai wal-bida inda ashabina* ✓ 19:50 - "And [the scholars of Ahl al-Athar] seek their understanding from the narrations."
Abu Hanifa Rahimullah is OUR Imaam (ie from the Salaf) and not the Imaam of Mutakallimeen. May Allah Subhana Wa Ta Alaa bless you for this video and defending our Imaams and the truth. These people are hijacking Abu Hanifa and the real Hanafi Mathab for their evil sufi / mutakalimah beliefs. Keep up the fantastic work. Learnt so many gems. I am Hanafi however I don't blind follow this mathab and I strive to stick to the Athaar and the way of the Salaf (Salafiyyah).
It is good you talked about Abu Hanifah in this video. Unfortunately, a sect has appeared known as the "hazimis" call themselves salafi but make takfir on Abu Hanifah and other major scholars. And theres also, unfortunately, a lot of young salafis who are overzealous and post critiscms of Abu Hanifah by the salaf and khalaf, and with that also confusing other masakin. Allah mustaan.
Please see the maktaba al sahaba channel it is well known many of the salaf made tabdee on abi hanifa, references on the channel and authenticated by shaykh muqbil ibn hadi
These kinds of videos are very important, if there were no refutation of these, people would definitely get confused. In some parts, they just straight up hid half of Imam abu Hanifa's statement.
I’m a real FAN and SUPPORTER of the efforts and work of ‘KNOWLEDGE NORTH’ As per usual I was thoroughly impressed, inspired and educated by this effort. The information presented here reminded me of why I UNAPOLOGETICALLY chose Salafiyyah as my Manhaj. The video strengthened my HATRED for SPECULATIVE THEOLOGY’ (Ilm al-Kalam) and the FEEBLE ATTEMPTS of those - past & present - who try to justify it, by hook or crook. We ARE NOT in need of the SHEER MADNESS of Aristotle - Plato or Socrates to understand our Deen. And Allah’s help is sought. For me - @14:54 served as one of the single most JAW DROPPING and POIGNANT moments of this ENTIRE clip. These brothers are simply ARGUMENTATIVE. That’s what ‘Ilm-ul-Kalaam does to its practitioners.
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu brother. May Allah Bless you for your work. May Allah keep increasing you in knowledge. So that we can benefit from it. Ameen!
May Allah bless you brother, sometimes the creator of content doesn't know how beneficial it truly is and how many people they impact. Keep it going brother, there is no channel that I've found quite like yours.
Allahu Akbar May Allah bless you immensely!!! What an absolutely incredible video, it was nothing short of mind-blowing to see how things were taken out of context, e.g. Abu Hanifahs instruction to his son on kalam, رحمهما الله جزاك الله ألف خير
16:20 these types of things happen so many times, especially with the types of bro Hajji, the way they cut the text. It shocks me how this happens, dont these people fear Allah? Or are they that hateful in their agendas they dont care if what they say is accurate or not?
I saw someone state that black people's body odor smells worse than whites.... Some time later I was taking the bus and both, black and white guys, sat next to me with body odor, they both smelt just as bad as each other. Hatred blinds Brothers may Allah SWT bless and have mercy on you all.
Agreed! But why are you using movie references? - Movie references will trigger people to go and watch those movies. - Movies are haraam therefore why use them as a reference? - It is degrading for people of knowledge to do this - These movies references exposes ones sins - It promotes movies
Brother stop looking at the negative side of everything. Don't you think that you are making a big deal out of a miner thing? You listed 5 negative things about one clip and ignored the message behind it and this clip is no more than a fine closure to a good subject.
@@anagil8775 Actually I agreed with the rest of the clip. Nevertheless, if you saw him swearing would you say the same and say: lets ignore the foul language since the message overall is on point OR would you correct him?
@@MAli99923 Brother, I do not know where you live but movies commercials are everywhere, and you are complaining about a clip. We are exposed to commercials of every kind but that do not change our principles.
@@anagil8775 Just because its all around us doesn't mean we adopt that vice and incorporate it with our stuff. The stuff is around is NOT by choice and its usually unavoidable but NOT when its you who is pushing it on to the people Also you will never find scholars doing this so why they students doing this for? Who are they actually getting influenced by? Lastly, if this becomes the trend then every Islaamic lecture will become 80% Islaamic and 20% with movie references?
Subhan'Allah. This is very rare that a deobandi comes out honestly and states where they stand. They blind follow to such an extent, the apparent deviancy is also very difficult to call out. But Marsha'Allah you have done a fantastic job at addressing it. Love your work Abdur Rahman. Marsha'Allah
Jazaakallahu khairah brother for this excellent presentation. May Allah grant you absolute sincerity and preserve you upon the best of goodness here and hereafter.
Shaikh Taalibur Rahman as-salafi had refuted these deobandis for years and some of his works are translated into English and can be found on the site of Salafi research institute
Great response, btw can you make a video explaining ibn taymiah's view on ilm ul kalam. I feel like every time these points are brought to them they bring the "Ah but ibn taymiah used contingency argument". They always use ibn taymiah and clarifying his position would help a great deal. Great video as usual :)
Yes, the follow up video to this will be Ibn Taymiyya and Philosophy isA. You are 100% right, they pull out the Ibn T get outa jail card whenever they need to justify their confusion.
@It's a Journey What did you learn from this video? You ignored the whole subject and clinched to one comment (opinion) as if this comment is the purpose of this video. No brother, it is not a fight but an educational video. It will be fine if you agree with it and if you don't it is still fine only Allah has the power to guide people to the truth.
Top Deobandi Elders spewing Filthy statements of KuFr👇🏿👇🏿👇🏿 (Tazkirah ut-Rashid (2/322) “during the era his opposers (ie Rashid Ahmad Gangohis) were causing commotion concerning the issue of Imkaan al-Kadhib (the possibility of Allaah lying) and issued a legal edict of his takfir. In a gathering of Sian (a reverend saint) Tawakul Shah Anbalwi a moulvi mentioned the divine and holy Imams name and said he believed that Allaah could lie. On hearing this Sian Tawakul Shah lowered his head an began to meditate (in a trance) for a while and then lifted his head and said in punjabi, “What are you people saying!!! I am seeing the pen of Maulana Rashid Ahmad (Gangohi) writing above and beyond the (Allaahs) Arsh .” (Tazkirah ut-Rashid (2/322) (this was the outcome of his meditation)
Brother I think you can better spend your time to benefit your self and the ummah than compiling disingenuous and concieted refutations. Scholarly positions can't be taken seriously if the presentation lacks adab.
what is your definition of Kalam ? does that means arguments like Contingency argument are speculative theology ? whats speculative about believing that their is a contingent existence and a necessary existence? does it means all philosophy is haram ? including . pls answer me I want to understand your view.
As-salam ´aleykoum, Great video on some of the most common shubuhat. Very much needed, may ALLAH reward you ! To be honest I am not too fond of the pop cultures references, and as a non native english speaker the shift between the different audios make it harder to understand
@knowledgenorth we didn’t know that Imam Abu Hanifa repented from Irja he is afflicted. Can you please give the final reference where Imamain Ibn Abdul Barr and ibn Abil Izz Al Hanafi said he repented??
The speech of the Deobandi guy is like a poison. Subhana Allah, he spreads ignorance through a calm voice and a library of books he didn't benefit from. Allahu Almustaan.
>Talib ul Ilm formally studies under scholars and actually reads the books of the Salaf as salih >faceless fulan with uncertain educational background "refutes" him >"wow all his books are for nothing" Subhanallah may Allah guide us out of such ignorance and foolish statements
5 :30 - Ar Razi said : These revealed evidences you hold are not definitive. Saifudin Aamidi - what is apparent from the Book and Sunna does not lead to certainty, as it does is leave the bounds of conjecture and subjectivity. Md. Yusef Sunusi - taking the apparent apprent meanings without rationalized insights is foundation of misguidance of parasites Quran 6 : 149 - ... Intellect agrees with Quran. Bida intellect is pagan Bias all temporal things are 3, a body, essential atom, of an accident. ibn Hanbal - in no way is Allah the exalted to be described with anything more than what He has described himself with. Ibn Kathir Q 37 :157 - bring your proof that is a book sent from Allah, from which you say as that you claim can't be proven by the intellect but opposes it. What do you say about concept of accidents and bodies, Abu Hanifa - kalam of kalamists, Stick to the narrations and be aware of this bida. Quran 53 :23... 16 :30 - Imam abu Hanifa - in his early life he debated ahlul hawa and pioneered it, then he abandoned debate and returned to fiqh and sunna until he became an imam. "I found the people of kalam had the hardest impervious hearts. They do not care about opposing the book and the sunna and they possess no taqwa. "I have no need for the science of kalam" "Oh Hammad , leave Kalam" Qadhi Abu Yusef - "whoever seeks ilm ul Kalam becomes a heretic" "seeking knowledge through kalam is ignorance and ignorance of kalam is knowledge" Abul Hasan Bazdawi d. 1089 - Abu Hanifa, he used to allow learning kalam , h/e in latter life he refrained from it and dorbade his companions from debating with it." Imam Malik - had kalam been knowledge the salaf would of spoken of it like the ruler and regulations, but it is falsehood. Ahmad b. Ishaq Maliki - the people of opinions and bida are the people of kalam, whether ashari or not. ibn Adbul Barr - The People of fiqh and the narrations from all the places are united that people of kalam are people of bida. they are not couned from the ranks of scholars, rather they are ahlul athar. b. Hanbal - the shia of kalam will never prosper. Those who look for it, their heart desires mischeif. Gazali - Malik, shafi , b. Hanbal all the ahll hadith , were of the opinion that ilm al Kalam and debate is a bida, to do every major sin is better then it.
Bro assalaamu alaikum may Allah reward you If you have time could you deal with the misinformation being spread by allislam production, good friends of yasir
I liked ibn taymiyyah no conflict between reason and revelation and it was as you said, false presuppositions, ibn taymiyyah refuted their rule of akl over nakl thing and showed that to reason that the revelation is from Allah and is infallible and to then prefer another rational conclusion from what you reasoned towards would then be saying that you prefer one rational conclusion over the other even though it has lesser authority or weight, it reminds me of science today, there's more to it but Jazakullah Khairun
as salamu alaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakathu akhee al kareem, Suggest me a structured path to learn islamic history and the books and references for it. Also a path to teach islamic history to our children
Asalam ALeikum 23 :00 - i think you meant to put "new" knowledge... btw do you have the quote i think an Ashari said reading Quran is for ajr only? If so can I have it? for a future video will you read quotes of Asharis errors in Iman and its tying to limiting Tawhid to Rububiyah?
@@KnowledgeNorth ASalam Aleikum again, amin wa iaykum. Bro I would like to endevour and can use your feedback and help where a little effort may bring a big reward in dawa. As you know some time periods are deeper in some things others aren't but sunna is stable. I want to ask do you know about the emergence of deobandis in the 1800s, i think it was originally anti colonial vs. bareveli & Qadiyanis who were passive but due to lack of usul became just like them in not building the umma & leaving jhad with groups like tablighis just being wondering story tellers. Call to salat = good but skipping aqida = not good.
@@KnowledgeNorth I would like to know about deoband mumatis vs hayatis? Similarities and differences. Seems hayatis says Nabi peace and blessing be upon him's soul is in Aisha's house in Medina, refuted by Abi Dawud 2041, book of haj. If mumatis are against this why bury their past imams in the masjid? Do they also make du'a to them? Seems these hanafi fiqh ppl are hayatis closer to barevelis, what are their differences? Did Barevelis stem from Qadiyan's brother? Sometimes it seems to me the only difference between barevelis and she'uh is one groups claims to respect sahaba but twist them, these soophies follow so much bida like she'uh exmas mawlid over usul of the sunnah. How are they being sunni then?
@@KnowledgeNorth What book would help me differentiate, seems like the only book is one by ahl bida. view : **Are the MAMATIS part of Ahlus Sunnah?** - by hanafi fiqh. Maybe a summarized reply and references for consise deeper reads would be appreciated. Is there a commentary on a work like this by a Sunni Salafi scholar? or a Sunni site that deals with these things?
@@KnowledgeNorth This along with their regional history and differences from source material and refuting the kulabi dawa like you did here on logic and firqah najjiyah did on Siffat I think will make a small pamphlet for ultimate concise dawah material to the laymen for these guys or at least for my notes in case I ever meet them. What do you think? I think this can be a concise rewarding effort! --- Bonus, Rashid Barbee has a video on how Qadiyans lead to so called NOI... sorry about spreading the posts, i itreied to make it one or two posts, but yt couldn't handle it.
No wonder some of us salafis speak ill of abuhanifa,these people deceived some of us into thinking abuhanifa is a follower of ilmul Kalam. I did not know Abu Hanifa used ilmul Kalam in his past.
What is the difference between al ghazaali and imam Abu hanifa when both dabbled in kalaam. Is it that ghazaali went the sufic route hence this followed by many today?
Imam Abu Hanifah said: “I use to count Kalâm the most preferred science. And I used to say: This al-Kalâm concerns the foundation of the religion. I then returned myself after what passed of my age and pondered. and said: [in myself]: Verily, the preceders from the Companions of the Prophet, peace and the blessing be upon him, and the Followers and those who followed them were not passed by anything what we perceive [today]. And they were better able and acquainted and knowledgeable about the realities of things; furthermore, they did not rise against disputants and discussers, nor did they partake in it but rather held off from that (i.e. Kalâm). They prohibited that strongly.. - until he says - ..after this what we’ve described manifested to us concerning their conditions, we abandoned dispute and debate and plunging into Kalâm; and we returned to that where the Salaf were upon.” [Source: al-Kardari, Manaqib Abi Hanifah p.137-138]
@@KnowledgeNorth one of the deobandis, took out this book and said it is from a salafi scholar, says that salafis belief Allah sits on the arsh but then would not give the name of author so I was trying to figure out who it was or even if it was a salafi and if it was, whether he retracted or was refuted.
From the quote of al-Aamidi he states the 'apparent' from the Quran and sunna, not Quran and sunna alone. Is he talking about how the 2 groups (those who use kalam and atharis) interpret verses talking about 'hand' and 'face' etc? What is the context? The sanunis quote also highlights this issue of 'taking the apparent meaning alone' without 'rationalized insight'. It seems you have tried to make it look as if these imams where attacking proof from the Quran and Sunnah alone.
@Random User "The ‘apparent’ refers to what the general masses understand from the nuṣūṣ" - for example in regards to istiwa, surely the understanding of the masses would be that Allah 'sits' on the throne. Or the understanding of the masses would be that Allah has a 'limb' like a hand and face. Limb. Or surely the understanding of the masses would be that when Allah descends to the lowest heavens he would be 'below' the throne. But you sweep all this 'apparent' understanding away with 'we don't go into the modality'. Which is fair, you do this on the basis that Allah is not like the creation. But the groups who do kalam also use the same principle. "Their scholars also admit that the prophet ﷺ couldn’t clarify such matters clearly because his audience (the Saḥāba) wouldn’t be able to understand them and would fall into atheism!" All i've heard is that it is because the sahaba didn't ask about it. "Is this a befitting way of describing the final revelation which is meant to take the people out of darkness and into light?" "He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur’ān). Out of it there are verses that are MuHkamāt (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashābihāt (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashābih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: “We believe therein; all is from our Lord.” Only the men of understanding observe the advice." We would view verses talking of hand and face to be mutashabihat.
@Random User "The prophet ﷺ was the most knowledgeable, the most concerned for this ummah, the most intelligent and the most eloquent. If the general masses understood limbs and body movement from such verses, the prophet ﷺ would’ve clarified the correct view, but he didn’t. Rather he left the nuṣūṣ on its default implications." He also said not the ponder over the essence of Allah. "If the general masses understood limbs and body movement from such verses" - i would say that the general masses simply, did not go into such issues. We also have no record of the Sahaba doing tafweed al kayfiyyah. Issues in regards to aqida, be it the sifat or even earlier the issue of Qadr occurred because the masses started to ask about and delve into issues that were not touched upon before as the muslim empire expanded into lands outside arabia which have a culture of Philosophy and argumentation. In Iraq for example you had completely different mindset in the people compared to madina. This is even reflected in the madhabs where the Hanafi school is part of the ahlul ra'i and emphasized qiyas more.
@Random User I would to admit a mistake on my part. You did clarify that 'apparant' is " refers to what the general masses understand from the nuṣūṣ". I assumed 'literal'. For example "The Hand of Allâh is over their hands>> (Surah Al Fath 48:10)". The understanding of the masses would be that is it not literal. So they never asked the prophet about this as it was clear to them that is is not literal.
@@randomuser2093not only this but there is many other proofs that the Ashariyyah (early) considered the awaam to be upon Tajseem and kufr! They also used to say that one was anthropomorphic if they did not attend the majlis of the Ashariyyah Very strange itiqaad
The way you place little movie clips snarky behaviour is very childish and ironically not the way of Salaf. Act like an adult. Behave yourself. The pious Salaf would never take someone like yourself as a reliable source. You’re the type of people the Salaf labelled weak. The disposition exhibited here is an evidence of that.
@@KnowledgeNorth To conflate modern technology and language with childish manners further demonstrates you’re unreliable to take knowledge from. Have a good day.
To be fair, you are openly insulting the man( act like an adult) why don't YOU act like the Salaf and give him advice in private first 🤣🤣😂😂 but hey I guess Appear Ances are more important, see you on judgement day
The Salaf not only condemned Kalam but they also condemned Abu Hanafi himself on multiple cases and reasons, such as Kharooj with the sword against the ruler, irja, rejection of Hadith, and the most condemned thing surrounded Abu Hanafi is him saying that parts of the Quran are a creation this led to his Istitabah three times by other Imams.
Assalamualaykum. I think the mosque I usually pray at is a deobandi mosque but I've never heard any of these weird ashari/maturidi beliefs from them. They do place an emphasis on the Qur'an and Sunnah as well.
I agree with you. I do go to Deobandi masjids sometimes and they do place emphasis on the Qur'an and Sunnah from what I've seen most of the times (although I do question a few things they do) but I always prefer Salafi masjids anyway
Why do you do this???!! There is no need for all this and on this platform. This madkhali nonsense needs to stop. Their constant attacks on Islam and Muslims is out of control.
Its pretty clear why this was done. Someone misrepresented the early imams of Islam as regards their outright condemnation of kalam. So i presented the speech of Allah and His awliya to set the record straight. Why should you have a problem with that, unless you hold Abu Hanifa, Malik, et al. to be a Madkhalis and their speech in need of censuring?!
You are the fraud who seeks to belie the proofs by miscategorizing what our scholars have said and taking things out of contexts. Abu Hanifah رحمه الله تعالى عليه was a Muttakalaam himself, yet you utilize his words against Kalaam. The Maturidiyah are the school of the Hanafiyyah in Kalaam as its foundation goes back to him and is only attributed to Abu Mansur Al Maturidi رحمه الله تعالى عليه as he collected what was traced back to Abu Hanifah concerning these evidences and he pioneered new arguments for new issues.
You might choose to believe this but the Salafi have come out against Kalaam, so those who went into it either did so with very carefully or did so incorrectly.. Whoever they were.
@ahmad hanbal Our first reply to you will be the following: Someone once said to Abu Hanifah, “Why do you talk with the Knowledge of Kalaam and the Companions did not talk with it?” He said, “Their example is like people who do not have in their presence those who fight them, so they did not need to wield their weapons, and our example is like those who have among them those who fight them, so they had to wield their weapons.” قال أبو حنيفة رضي الله عنه جواباً على القائلين: لِمَ تتكلمون بعلم الكلام والصحابة لم يتكلموا فيه: "إنما مثلهم كأناس ليس بحضرتهم من يقاتلهم فلم يحتاجوا إلى إبراز السلاح، ومثلنا كأناس بحضرتهم من يقاتلهم فاحتاجوا إلى إبرأز السلاح More coming bi idhni Allah!
@ahmad hanbal in this reply we quote the Imam as follows : قَالَ الإِمَامُ أَبُو حَنِيفَةَ رَضِىَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ فِى كِتَابِهِ الْفِقْهِ الأَبْسَطِ «وَيَتَكَلَّمُ لا كَكَلامِنَا نَحْنُ نَتَكَلَّمُ بِالآلاتِ مِنَ الْمَخَارِجِ وَالْحُرُوفِ وَاللَّهُ مُتَكَلِّمٌ بِلا ءَالَةٍ وَلا حَرْفٍ». Which means: Imam Abu Hanifah, may Allah raise his rank said in his book “Al-Fiqh al-’Absat”: “Allah Speech is not like our speech. We speak by instruments from the [vocal] exits and [by] letters, whereas Allah’s Speech (Kalam) is without an instrument and a letter.” Last time I checked the Qur’an that we recite is composed of letters that we utter through our vocal chords ie our exits. Thus know that the Imam spoke as we speak concerning the Qur’an. The term Qur’an and Kalaamullah has 2 meanings. One is the Eternal uncreated speech of Allah which is not composed of letters and neither stops or goes cause it is not a creation. The other refers to the revealed texts that refers to the Eternal Speech of Allah it was revealed by Allah and Allah enabled Jibril عليه السلام to hear this speech and deliver it to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم in its different modes of recitation. It is created and it was dictated to our Beloved صلى الله عليه وسلم in accordance to the directions of our Rabb عز وجل.
More still to come , but don't you know that whatever is attributed with a number of things or body parts is created? You truly do not know how to distinguish between the creations and the Creator? You worship an idol of your imagination if you believe that Allah has hands.
"This Deobandi scholar"... Are you a Salafi scholar? I mean you apparently don't like to use honorifics for scholars or even the names for people who obviously have a higher intellectual status than yourself. So tell us oh wise and esteemed Salafi scholar, (who rather not tell us his own status and position in intellect), where do you derive arguments from to argue against kufr?
To address him as a "Deobandi scholar" is respectful. I don't see why one of that school would object to being called a scholar (in an academic sense) unless he/she was not.
I expected something more insightful from you channel but you seem to have just regurgitated the same old rhetoric around kalam that salafis generally use, 'muh greek philosophy' , 'aql over nakl', cliché after cliché just without the typical 'mubtadi', 'kafir', or 'bid'a' being thrown about. More palatable i guess.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم How funny that you didnt answer even one point and hide behind the cliche tag. Here's a tip: when issues are quite straight forward, dont except an asharite sophisticated phd thesis on the issue.
@@ahmads5889 "How funny that you didn't answer even one point and hide behind the cliche tag" - Missed the point. The conversation has already been had, hence 'regurgitated the same old rhetoric'. For me to engage with a 'salafi' who makes the 'greek philosophy' argument is like talking to a critic of islam who makes the 'islam is a terrorist ideology' argument.' That's what i meant by cliché.
