RESPONSE to Time Signatures with Nintendo Music by Cadence Hira 

Great video! Here is my RESPONSE to RESPONSE to Time Signatures with Nintendo Music by Cadence Hira: 1:01 That was a complete misspeak on my part lol, good catch. Actually in regards to the meter vs. time signature thing, you're right. I've been trying to explain time sigs in an accessible way that's also not misleading or incomprehensive, and I'll stick with this in the future, thanks! 3:04 I'm still not convinced 1/4 groove exists; every example I've seen in the last day is notated/conducted in 1 as a technicality but is usually phrased in groups of 2 or 4 bar "phrases", which ultimately ends up feeling like bars of 4. 3:54 Even if the official sheet music is in 4/4 One Winged Angel really feels more 2/4 to me, the phrasing is just too locked in sets of 2. But I don't think time sigs need to be objective so I wouldn't necessarily adamantly argue against 4/4. 5:04 I agree with the melody not supporting the clave pattern, but yeah the bass/drums is more what I'm talking about, and I figured was the iconic part that people usually associate with the tune. Also damn those other 5/4 examples are superb, nice. 6:36 I didn't know any tunes that did 2+3 and moved on lol, those are great examples tho 7:10 Fair, to be honest I kind of chose this because I like Super Paper Mario lol 7:56 2+2+2+1 also makes sense to me. The 2+2+3 brain virus got me and I can't unhear it like that but 2221 also makes perfect sense. The Mario Party tune is great 7/4, good find. 8:45 The 4/4 brain virus is too strong in my opinion. I hear 3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2 and feel the groove in 2 or 4 for the same reason as feeling the 5/4 3+3+2+2 as 5 instead of 10. As a time signature for notation I could perhaps get behind 8/8 16/16 etc. but the groove always sounds like 2 or 4 to me. But yeah I think similar to my thoughts on the 2/4 4/4 One Winged Angel thing it's not something I think is particularly objective, just that 8/8 would be a minor redundancy in notation. It probably would have been good to discuss these examples either way though. 10:03 Banger 10:50 I can see this too 11:56 Yeah 12 can get super weird, I kind of just talked about the most common example. That is a really cool division with the Yoshi tune. 13:02 I remember 8-Bit Music Theory or someone else analyzed this and wanted to be special lol, this tune is great 13/8 tho. 13:48 Another banger tune 14:02 Same thoughts as 8/8 15:36 That is actually so sick. 16:16 This is actually such a crazy tune lmao who thinks of writing this. I feel like the tempo is too slow and the cycle is too long to feeeel like 62 in anything other than technicality with the loop, even the 23/8 in Ganondorfs theme was kind of pushing it for me. But maybe that's more just the failings of time signature notation and what's expected of it. 62 beat cycle is crazy imo nice Overall great video! I genuinely appreciate feedback and I think your sound-first approach to rhythm and music theory is exactly how it should be. Also music theory pedagogy as a whole needs A LOT more scrutiny, so thank you for fighting the good fight.

I mentioned it in the comments of their video and I'll say it here too: I think the strongest instance of 8/8 in a nintendo game is splattack octo from splatoon 2 octo expansion. It's a remix of the main theme from the first game, and they went so hard on the 8 theme that they even fit it into a music track that used to be 4/4.

That 7/4 in Mario Party blew me away, Never noticed that

That’s the thing about music “theory” in general and the discussions especially involving rhythm and its various forms of definition’s and explanations musicians use to describe or explain them. You both aren’t wrong in your different ways really in explaining them. You see some pieces can be written or felt in many different ways and that doesn’t make your version wrong over someone else’s that’s equally right with a different feel. Phrasing can get weird with some pieces especially the more complicated the subdivisions and rhythms get. I disagree with some viewpoints on certain time signatures and how you feel them versus on how I do and would write it, but once again that’s the beauty of music theory and how one interpretation can be different from another persons. Debates will always rage on beyond you two on these subjects but long as we can all understand one another, I believe that’s the main takeaway in the world of music

I think a great example of a piece that can be felt in multiple signatures is the Battle Theme from FFX. I transcribed it once (sCJ3n2hvm2U) (warning: bitrot), and I remember struggling to decide which time signatures it should be in, finally concluding that it was in all the time signatures. There’s a section where it algernates between 12/16 and 2/8, which in retrospect maybe could have been 16/16, but then I switch it 4/4 when the drums kick in. Also, thanks for pointing out the groove in the Mario kart victory song. I knew there was something funky about it, but couldn’t put my finger on it. Turns out it a clean 11/8 after all 😅.

9:45 I think the first lost kingdom theme from Mario odyssey also has that division. Though the bell part is a typical 9/8

I agree that compound and simple meter "rules" are pretty stupid. I don't think that 6/4 should have to be 3+3, I'm glad someone else thinks the same.

What’s even cooler is the galaxy reactor has 3 time signatures 4/4, 5/4, and 3/4. Also, while the purple coin theme is 4/4, the first half felt in 8/8 like 332.

How would you count "awake" from the splatoon octo expansion?

Love the video. Can you maybe tell me something I've always wondered: What time signature is used for Phoenix Wright Justice for All: Examination Allegro? To me it feels like a lot of different time signatures thrown together (7/8 is in there I think) but I can't really decipher it.

How would you count the 5/4 in bouncy beanstalk walk from yoshi new island?

Would Deluxe Dirge from Splatoon 2 and 3 be a good Nintendo example of 7/4? The in-universe band that wrote the song uses almost exclusively odd time signatures so it’s a solid fit

while it's not nintendo i feel like ragnaros' theme (war) from molten core in WoW/HS needs more callouts as a good 13/8 piece. and it also needs a mashup with weapon world

Meanwhile frothy waters is a 4+x/4 time signature. :v

one winged angel is NOT 4/4