Rethink Golf Swing Consistency with The Single Plane Golf Swing - Part 2

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Can we use common sense to rethink your golf swing?
This is the part 2 of a five-part series where I review my book "The Single Plane Golf Swing, Play Better Golf the Moe Norman Way" and use common sense to uncover specific details of natural body movements of Moe Norman's swing to help you rethink your golf swing and, in the process, discover the easiest way to play golf.
In this video I explore how the golf swing is lead sided uncover one of Moe's secrets, the pivot point, and how this discovery could rethink your swing to help you become more consistent.
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@sambenson8787 8 месяцев назад

I started using the single swing with my 1 length clubs and oh maaaan!! I was terrible my lowest score was a 118!! Now after 4 months I got down to a respectful 80 this was the greatest lesson I have ever had thanks

@jslee8631 4 года назад

Can't believe this works!!! In the past months my driver launches straight and further. I used to drive 220~250 yds, but know I get 270 to 300. Being 40 years old high handicap... I am starting to enjoy the field more. My friends made fun of my stance at address but now they are amazed. Specially after Bryson's address is the same... This absolutely worked for me. Moved to Mid handicap recently with Driver and long Irons being as consistent 1 plane swing.

@tomchilton4550 4 года назад

Hey Todd, 3 handicapper here. Taught the conventional swing by my grandfather, who is now in the Nebraska PGA golf hall of fame as a teacher. I believe I have gotten as far as I can with a conventional swing. I’m actually a very inconsistent ball striker with a really good short game. I am making the switch to single plane. Why not? 70% of my rounds are spent guessing with my long game. I hit about 50% of my fairways, and between 40-50% of my greens. I started messing around with this swing yesterday and really started grooving it. Excitement in my long game has returned. The only thing I’m really struggling with is wedge play. Anyways, it’s still super early in my transition, but I wanted to thank you for your info and training. Cannot wait to swing like Moe!

@rayengland5491 4 года назад

I stepped away from golf for many, many years. The primary reason being back issues. I came across one of your instructional videos a couple years ago and thought, why not. Now I have several of your DVD's and training devices. This swing just makes so much sense to me, and every time I watch one of your videos, I have what amounts to an epiphany. After a couple years of practicing...do I have it down perfectly? No, (heck, this old dog is 62, and it takes a while to learn new tricks) but there are times now when when I hit the ball so purely that I just can't believe it. It's a feeling I never had hitting a golf ball before. The way you break down the single plane swing from start to finish is really just well done. So, thank you, I believe if I keep at it, I'll be able to show the thirty somethings I work with how to really strike a golf ball.

@王毅-p1u 7 месяцев назад

Moe has put no stress on right knee during take back😊.that is why his vertical drop are so great and consistent.

@stevepartain864 Год назад

I just ordered a hard copy of your book because this style is working for me. Best I have ever hit a ball. I"m 65 and still working hard in my company hanging doors and hardware so the less I have to twist, turn, bend ect. the better. This is what I have been looking for. Moe Norman was such a great person, I love the man and how he earned his place in golf history. Thanks for what you all are doing for golf.

@tony1999c 4 года назад

This is the most significant part for Moe's swing and best explanation for the fact that Bryson's swing is not the way Moe did.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing.

@王毅-p1u 7 месяцев назад

Right knee motion and vertical drop they might be the two topics we would like to learn more about.Thanks😊

@jamesgander7337 2 года назад

Todd the pivot point is the key to the SPS. 0-2-6. Thanks for you do for golf. Golf is fun again.

@ToddGravesGolf 2 года назад

Glad to hear.

@GenesisG80 4 года назад

I have played golf for over 50 years (not very successfully), I have at least 18 books on golf on my book shelf, and I have 5 video course lessons I've watched. This is the SWING that makes the most sense based on your explanations that I have ever encountered! I have your book, and I have watched all your videos and am absolutely convinced this is the swing I'll use the rest of my life. Can hardly wait for the weather here to warm up enough to get to the driving range! Thanks so much Todd for all your hard work in bringing this swing to all of us!

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thank you!

@jacoba0030 4 года назад

A great teacher anticipates questions. Todd does this wonderfully. This is great learning. Thank you.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@michaelgoldman2869 3 года назад

You are one terrific “TEACHER” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@douglaskerr3501 4 года назад

I am learning the single plane swing through your videos and book. I am an orthopedic surgeon. In an anatomical terms the left arm is fully pronates at address, as is the right arm. You call the front arm as being in neutral position which is actually the mid position between supination and pronation. I find that being able to place both arms and legs in a fixed position very helpful. I have just begun to learn the swing but am limit by the restrictions of the Covid 19 virus.

@davekempema8437 4 года назад

Thank you Todd. So well explained. I never get tired of your explanations even after following you for almost 4 years now.Im always learning more.

@Wooduck 3 года назад

This was the first thing I learned from watching vids on Moe 10 years ago. I just lacked the other Golden Dominos that you share in your vids. On my set up the bit of the club always points to the last rib on the lead side. Also the lead shoulder is ahead of the ball at set up , only exception is the driver. The tilt away with the spine puts one in this position after you learn ball and feet positions which allow the lead shoulder to be place correctly at address. Wish I had known all the other Dominoes you are currently showing, the journey would have been much quicker. Only way to hit a golf ball consistently, period!!!!

@ronbo4756 4 года назад

I love it when the pages of my book come alive with your instruction. This series is right up there with the inside the single plane swing DVD which is pure gold.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thank you.

@elnuevemendez 4 года назад

AMAZING!!! I've been struggling with this part of single plain. Excited to go to driving range today and implementing this

@johnlyons3607 4 года назад

Absolute Gold: irrefutable technology! How can I pay for the wonderful content of this series in appreciation?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

John Lyons thanks John. All I ask is for donations to Moe’s documentary at www.thefeelingofgreatness.com/donate.

@phamster18 4 года назад

OMG ! this is So brilliant, you reversed engineered Moe's Swing. which Moe Reversed Engineered the impact and and Moe worked it backwards. "lets make impact position, then go backwards to downswing, and then EROnomically found the best at each part of the Swing backwards and then make the SET UP to the ball basically as efficient as possible !" no extra movements , no glamour, just pureness of what the most easy motion should be... Todd, that deconstruction of Moe's Swing and your years of studying it, and you give it away kinda free on RU-vid makes you so humble and honorable ! love that your nick name is Little Moe.. wish i can take a lesson from you group ! i live in Indiana when is you next group session or camp?

@christianhanley57 4 года назад

Thanks Todd for this terrific overview. Your use of the stick was really helpful regarding the left arm position at set up and in thinking of the swing as centering toward the left or front side. Things fell into place while recently hitting some nine irons and I began to feel like I could not hit a bad shot. That is a feeling (or a least a little taste) of greatness.

@michaeleyer8973 3 года назад

Well stated Christian :-)

@Marky-mt8mt 4 года назад

Todd these videos really hit home with me I’ve been struggling with my swing for so long with inconsistency and I was very close to giving the game up until I came across your videos I’ve been to the range twice now and altho I still didn’t have it correctly it still flew better and went straight more often it’s gave me hope and the love off the game back. I’m 100% gonna be signing up to your online school 👍🏻👍🏻

@bigbranch1 4 года назад

Hey Tod Graves...great video....hunkered down due to the virus....using you to teach me Moe's swing....so far so good...just hitting half 9 irons....at 73 a new thing....Thank you

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Stay Safe...and practice! You're welcome.

@knkklassy 4 года назад

Wow. Your videos are extremely informative and it makes sense now!!!!! I always thought Moe was an anomaly and his swing made now sense--he was genius! Trying this swing it is so easy to swing hard with confidence and it straight or a tiny draw. Thank you so much!

@rhbfired6921 4 года назад

Hi Todd, Bought your book. However this video with the boomstick has made a huge difference in the address. It felt very awkward with the arms straight, but I had the club pointing at my belly button. By using the boom, I realised the club must visually pass under the forearm, which naturally tilts the hips and the club end is facing the lift hip. Therefore you are in the correct striking position from the start. The club being moved back 6 - 8 inches, enables the pick up to be shorter and smoother... and removes that thought! genius!!!

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing.

@rhbfired6921 4 года назад

Todd, Played today, had a few drives push right on me. However I was so much straighter with my irons. Rifled a 4 iron 243yrds (Down Hill) straight at the pin, with a strong wind (L-R), and another 4 Iron 185 yrds up hill, 6 feet from the pin. Usually spraying left and right.... Will keep at it!! Maybe one day there will be a clinic in the UK!

@snoopaka 3 года назад

You really do a great job of explaining these principal concepts. Hopefully I can make it to your Houston school this summer. Going to check it out now.

@ronmccauley8918 4 года назад

Todd great instructions 👍, I was able to achieve consistent ball striking in a few days. Still reviewing your stuff and learning. Thanks for your help

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

YOu're welcome.

@Gumballa87 7 месяцев назад

Applying the same logic: Why would you not want to start exactly with the impact position? Is there a significant downside to that? I assume there is, otherwise Moe would surely have started like that - but WHAT exactly makes that a bad idea? Just curious. Love your teachings! Cheers from continental Europe

@kevinmumford1463 4 года назад

Great job as always Todd. Well explained and illustrated. Hope all is well my friend.

@chadfortney3524 4 года назад

Todd great stuff. Per the set up, in the down the line visual, I see the ball heel side on drivers, irons. Moe, you, your tour guy all do this... Thanks

@mjackson21 4 года назад

This is awesome bought the book years ago, but hearing you speak through it enhances the experience.

@TomSmith-yt8ce 4 года назад

Todd your videos are getting better and better- you really need to talk about ball flights fade and draws. Almost every shot will fall of in one of those two directions. Any club from 8 iron and up will either. fade or draw slightly physics. You have a better chance to hit lottery 3 times in the same week then have a zerod out clubface with a zerod out club-path at impact resulting in dead straight shots.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Tom, while it is easy to draw and fade the golf ball with Moe's Single Plane Swing, I simply don't find it necessary for a majority of all shots to play great golf. Following your argument that hitting it straight 3 times in a row and winning the lottery - the same deviation would hold true with hitting three of the same fades or three of the same draws consistently. For example if you aim straight and on average you had a 10 yard deviation (5 yard draw or 5 yard fade) you would end up either, o target, 5 yards right of the target or 5 yards left of the target. If you decided that you needed to have a 5 yard draw swing pattern you would be required to aim 5 yards right of the target, your deviation would be either at the target (perfect) 5 yards right of the target or 10 yards right of the target. Either trained swing pattern is subject to the variability you describe however, when you build a swing pattern designed to decrease sidespin and increase the ability to hit it straight, you never have to aim away from the target which in my opinion is the main problem with curving the ball in the first place.

@TomSmith-yt8ce 4 года назад

Todd Graves Todd that was exactly what my thought was just aim straight at target sure it will probably fade or draw slightly but deviation will be less overall then aiming right or left to play draw or fade - Iv have been overthinking it - playing 19 yrs on my 20th yr 7.5 cap never lower then 6 - Im 53 yrs old now so I still hold out hope my best golf lies ahead of me. the kiss method - thanks for reply appreciated.

@kamsanikemat3865 2 года назад

Thank you im from Singapore

@ToddGravesGolf 2 года назад

Welcome!

@johnathanwetherill456 4 года назад

Todd why are there no short game videos ? To me its more important than any thing . You can get the ball to the green but what you do next is the difference between a 30+ handi capper and a scratch golfer .

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Of course short game is important. I have a few short game videos on the channel. By spending more time on the Single Plane Full Swing, I am not intentionally ignoring short game. I am just extremely passionate about ball-striking and want to help as many people as possible hit it better.

@TheRetrospective 4 года назад

Great explanation. I have Todd’s previous book, its great. I guess the new is even better.

@pgowan357 4 года назад

Got your book this week. Lots of details. Looks like it will be a great learning resource. Thanks.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thanks.

@kevinbohunsky8637 4 года назад

Excellent Todd...was thinking that the swing is also similar to swinging an axe which I’ve had to do...my lead foot was pointed out slightly and when I swung the axe I stabilized against the lead knee/leg coming down. No one would ever swing an axe and straighten there lead leg! Todd, you can’t talk about the sps enough because of the wrong conventional garbage that has been taught because this allows people to unlearn and relearn the only way to swing a golf club efficiently! Again, thank You Todd! Moe would be proud!

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Thank you.

@tlim1945 4 года назад

Fantastic explanation. Put the science into Moe swing.

@fishblade2 Год назад

One question that makes no sense with the swing mechanics and I’m struggling currently with it. How are both arms straight but you return at impact with a bent right arm, how will you strike the ball correctly? The bent right arm compared to address brings my club up some.

@patrickreid9823 4 года назад

H Todd, curious as to equipment modifications? Flatter lies? One length? Many thanks and appreciate you sharing the knowledge.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

My lie angles are flatter than standard but not a fan of Single Length clubs because I don't believe they offer any significant advantage when you take into consideration that you will really only have a handful of single-length clubs in addition to the longer woods, hybrids and putter. All things considered, I think the wedges still need to. be heavy headed and short for control and feel. Again I don't see a significant advantage of single length irons.

@colinrippey1723 4 года назад

First thank you for these videos, they are fantastic. I've ordered your book and hoping to receive it today. Can I ask you to help clarify the arm positions at address (specifically the bicep positions)? I "think" you are stating that the lead arm bicep position should be "perpendicular" to the position you would have if you were doing bicep curls with dumbells - I hope that makes sense. I would like to understand what at address should the bicep position be on the trail arm? It "looks like" in this video (at around the 15 min mark) you trail arm bicep position starts off in a curl position and then slowly rotates as you secure the grip, and is then in between a bicep curl position and a perpendicular position. Looking forward to getting back onto a range to try and put these into practise.

@MrKingdonuts 4 года назад

Excellent video!!! My question is i here some golf instructor's say push the club back with the left side (left arm,hand,club)and then on the outer side of the pond some golf instructor's say pull the club back with the right-side in Moe's swing was he pushing or pulling at the start of the takeaway or blending both ?

@jakeamberson3239 4 года назад

Awesome channel. Really good instruction.

@sachinshrivastava644 4 года назад

Thank You so much

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

You're most welcome

@billhill4929 3 года назад

Eureka!!

@richardroyal9632 4 месяца назад

Hi Todd - question I find it difficult to get my lead shoulder in the correct tilt position whilst holding the club with left hand I hold with right hand put shoulder and tilt into position then re grip left hand is that right , you seem to go into correct tilt position whilst holding g club in left hand ?? PS I’m obsessed with single plane swing now ❤

@markmahan7597 9 месяцев назад

Hey Todd I'm interested in learning this swing, I'm on a budget how can I get the info. I need to get started on a budget please thanks mark

@ToddGravesGolf 9 месяцев назад

Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com

@JG-nj1bq 4 года назад

It appears that you’re gripping the club with your left hand first, got set up with your tilt and the club face opens to the ball (not square). Is that the proper set up?

@cedricfreeman9622 4 года назад

Todd … starting my Single Plane journey. I'm seeking a recommendation on how far to spread my feet apart. Looks like quite a bit as compared to the conventional swing recommendation. Thanks, in advance!

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Depends on club length. I have a training aid for that.

@cedricfreeman9622 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks for your quick response. Please direct me to your training aid. I'd like to start right away with that.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

@@cedricfreeman9622 Are you right handed or left handed? Actually do you play golf right handed or left handed?

@cedricfreeman9622 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf right handed, sir

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

@@cedricfreeman9622 Ok. Thanks Cedric, Here is the discounted price for RU-vid Subscribers. Alignment and Ball Position Trainer (ABT) - Right Handed: bit.ly/2Mu0GwL

@DrPouriaMoradi 2 года назад

Thank you… Transitioning to the single plane swing but my miss seems to be push fade… what’s the most common reason for this? You usually say the hook is the more common error when players are transitioning Thanks

@ToddGravesGolf 2 года назад

Always start with the fundamentals - address / grip / alignment / ball position etc. Then if you are still push fading, check your backswing position. Then check your downswing. then impact, release, finish. The issue is findable if you look in the sequence of the method. Work in order, If I had to guess (without seeing your swing) I would say that you are not releasing the club.

@DrPouriaMoradi 2 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf thank you… I live in sydney there are no coaches here but I am visiting Phoenix soon. Any single plane coaches in Phoenix you can recommend?

@ToddGravesGolf 2 года назад

@@DrPouriaMoradi yes. I have a coach in Phoenix. When will you be there? Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com and I can connect you with Trent in Phoenix. He is a great Coach.

@brianwynne9536 4 года назад

In your address position, as you rotate out your lead foot, does that cause your stance to be slightly open or relatively square?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Brian Wynne toe line open, heel line square to target line with mid irons.

@brianwynne9536 4 года назад

Thank you. Would it be any different for the driver or a wedge?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Brian Wynne actually yes. Driver more closed, short irons more open - stance width matters

@brianwynne9536 4 года назад

Thank you very much. Will be ordering your book shortly. Hope to attend a school once the quarantine has ended.

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

@@brianwynne9536 I look forward to meeting you. Stay safe.

@mjackson21 4 года назад

Question, when in the address position moving into position two, what makes the first move: 1 the torso, arms and shoulders all together at the same time. Or 2. Just a turn (initiation) of the shoulders? And it seems that Moe really locked that lead arm prior to swinging ( it looks like he flexes the tricept) why did he do that?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

The lead shoulder engages with the lead arm and that starts the movement. The torso / arm starts the move and the pelvis rotates with the torso in the initial movement.

@mjackson21 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf thank you I have been reinvigorated with this new series you are doing. It's hard for me to grasp everything without having someone physically put me in the correct positions. Yesterday I hit a ball though off target it felt perfect. That hard part about the swing change is trusting that the end result will be what we want it to be which is 365 golf. Thanks for your replies it means a lot.

@maeu59 4 года назад

So with this setup your left shoulder never tilts down like in conventional golf, where they say the shoulders rotate perpendicular to the spine. They pretty much stay on the same right tilted plane from backswing through impact?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Torso Shoulders or front of arms shoulders? Rotate perpendicular to spine? Yes, but your body is tilted so that would make the perpendicular movement of the shoulders at a tilt where the lead shoulder is higher - correct?

@maeu59 4 года назад

Todd Graves got it.... thanks

@sfink16 4 года назад

Two things. I noticed that Moe never seemed to use a golf glove. Is there a reason he chose not to, or did they not use golf gloves in those days? I don't like wearing a glove either and only use one in very cold weather or very humid weather. Second, not everyone is built the same when it comes to address position of straight legs and arms. I'm very tall at 6'6" tall. Do taller players need to adjust even more, such as even more upright li angles?

@kevinbohunsky8637 4 года назад

sfink16 I don’t like to use a golf glove either because to me it reduces feeling of my hand to clubface relationship. Maybe that’s why?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Moe told me he couldn't afford gloves. As a matter of fact, when Moe was younger, he only had one grip, a wrap that he could take on and off of the golf club as he played. He would be wrapping and unwrapping his clubs in between shots as he played. True story. Secondly, you are tall, you need long and upright clubs.

@jrodsadventures9784 4 года назад

Does the single plane swing work best with one length clubs or can a conventional set work too?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

I use multiple length clubs. Single Length clubs are ok for higher swing speed players. I don't necessarily recommend them.

@andrewvickers1474 4 года назад

Todd, what typically happens if a player sets up correctly with the proper amount of side bend but then as they take the club back, the side tilt at address centers or slides forward, what would you expect to happen as far as shot pattern / miss?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Andrew - thanks for the question. Please clarify, when you say "slides forward" are you saying that your pelvis moves toward the target? Or towards the ball?

@andrewvickers1474 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf Sorry, I meant if a player setups with the correct amount of side bend 15-20o and then as they are making their backswing, they lose that tilt, their spines straightens up from the initial address position. Hope that is more clear! appreciate your response.

@jasonouellette5312 3 года назад

It looks like your club is slightly open at address. Is that correct or am I seeing things? Is it closed at impact?

@ToddGravesGolf 3 года назад

The club is square at address. More importantly the lead hand and club are correctly aligned.

@jasonouellette5312 3 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks. I feel like I need to deloft my club to do that. I need to recheck my grip. :) Or I need to come see you in person!!!!

@ToddGravesGolf 3 года назад

@@jasonouellette5312 No. Don't deloft. Just grip it correctly and square it.

@pocket1719 4 года назад

Did Moe rotate his forearms..without knowing he did? I recall him saying in a video that he does not..then he talks about the pendulum motion..

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Hi Martin, I have a question to answer your question and this is not meant to be rude. If you rotate your lead forearm the same amount as the torso (body) rotates, would you call this forearm rotation? From the perspective of Moe (who is standing in the torso) the answer would be no. From the perspective of the camera (which is not rotating) the answer is yes. This is why you must stand in Moe's shoes to understand his perspective.

@pocket1719 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks..makes sense yes. Good explanation :)

@pocket1719 4 года назад

All that pronation and supination that mr Hogan talks about in his book seems way too complicated to time properly, Moe simplified it greatly :) Sorry ill call him mr Moe. I think he deserves the same respect as mr Hogan ;)

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

@@pocket1719 Yes.

@pocket1719 4 года назад

@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks for all these videos and interaction with comments. Much appreciated.

@garydixonsr1661 4 года назад

I can hit every club with this method except the Driver. I have reviewed every video but nothing helps ....?......?

@ToddGravesGolf 4 года назад

Gary Dixon Sr ball position

@garydixonsr1661 4 года назад

Todd,s video where he holds his upper left arm and turns his lower arm to the left to align club face and back of left hand worked for me. My hands were rotating left at impact causing driver issues. With his technique my club face and back of lead hand are square. This is a great tip if you always had a strong grip before converting to single plane. Thanks Todd.