This has to be my favorite group of scientists so far--the synergy they all had was so lovely. Felt like I was listening in on a deep conversation between old friends. Such wonderful and talented people!
Watching youtube, pausing the video, taking notes alone in silence is far more effective than school ever was for me. Group projects were a waste until we left the prerequisites. Thank you so much for posting I love it!
Although I agree that some people are better at learning alone. Myself Included, we as a whole ultimately require some sort of guidance to point us in the right direction in my opinion. At the very least some one to summarize the main idea behind what ever it is we are supposed to be learning. So essentially, systematic training, or education is essential to the development of the individual; now we struggle with the application of those teachings, with people who are really not passionate about teaching or financial reasons making the passing of information less impactful/efficient than it should be.
Also, and I know that my opinion is probably controversial, i acknowledge that, but a lot of what you learn at school is outdated information, because most teachers treat the old textbooks as holy scriptures. For example im still taught that we only use 10% of our brain, although recent evidence strongly suggests otherwise.
I had animals in my house all my life but most of the time, cats. One of them was waking me up every morning, very gentle, if he seen that I am too tired and after the alarm I am am still sleeping. Another one is calling me to clean the littier, another one is calling me when my mum needs me etc. One is hugging me every time when I am very upset. They are very intelligent.
I was living on a dairy property where there was plenty of room and someone abandoned 2 kittens. One didn't make it but the other one adopted me. It would be waiting for me sometimes When I would be coming home she (the veterinarian got ahold of it so it never had kittens). She would race me in my truck just like a good dog. They say cats can be as smart as some dogs but people don't spend time with cats.
People who spend much time with cats know just how intelligent they are. And how they communicate exactly what they want. Animals never cease to amaze me.
I find cats smarter than most dogs. Cats just are not naturally out to please us. They don't usually want to do what we want like dogs. I have had abnormally smart dogs and cats. All of my cats know that doors are opened by door knobs or levers where a couple dogs did. Some could open the door. Which means they knew to turn it. That was two cats and one dog. The dog was a Rottweiler and she was the smartest of all the dogs I had by a good margin.
Animal intelligence always amazes me. My dog learned to turn on/off the lights and turn on the tv using the "voice commands" (she doesn't speak, but makes sounds that trick the tv into turning on) by just observing us. We never taught her, she just... learned. There are also many wild animals where I live and they are fascinating. The birds learned to communicate with my neighbor to ask for specific fruits by standing on color coded signs. Whenever she introduces a new fruit they only take a few minutes to figure it out and that's amazing. This video was really interesting, all the scientists brought such interesting perspectives and knowledge, I wish we had more time to listen to their experiences
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This was FASCINATING. I was enjoying it so much that it seemed to go by far too quickly. Before I watch it again, I’d like to applaud the moderator. She was fantastic, and as entertaining as she was effective in leading this exceptional panel. Bravo!
the realization that our minds are comparable to an ant colony where a neuron is not intelligent but it is in the reactions between them that a metaintelligence arises is amazing. It changes the way I view myself, because I don't exist in the way I thought I existed
Humans are alot like an ant colony. See the change in brainresponse in a group contra alone. You change eachothers response, even if you dont see eachother. Brainwaves extend further than you think and what you think have more impact on the inner workings on your brain than we can do with modern medicine
@@cryptonitor9855 that sounds like a word salad. Care to show evidence of any of what you said? Pretty sure ants use pheromones and not telepathy to communicate
actually turns out neurons do the work we used to think networks of neurons do. they have a large range of specializations available, and indeed human dendrite neurons have functions other primates and mammals do not
I've had a Blue and Gold Macaw for 24 years now. What makes me so sure of the intelligence of animals a lot easier for me is the fact that my feathered friend has vocal chords and speaks english. Let me assure you that once it has learned what a word means and it's intention, it will use those words. If it wants to go outside, it says outside, it says bye bye when it knows I'm ready to leave the house without him and it laughs when it finds something amusing or is having fun. If dogs could speak English, can you imagine... and true of so many other animals I'm sure.
Did you know birds technically don’t have vocal chords? It’s so interesting. It’s a completely different structure that produces a much wider range of sounds than vocal chords can.
The thing I like about my dog is that he doesn’t judge me...or at least not to my knowledge. Plus my dog won’t reveal the secret location of the gold bars or that I talk in an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice when I’m alone. Do you ever feel like you’re never truly ever alone when you’re with a parrot?
i forgot who this quote was from but it was something like “the true measure of intelligence is translating your knowledge to the audience whose listening in a way they can understand”
One of the best World Science Festival discussions I have watched! The lady moderator is superbe. All the guests are fascinating purveyors of their research.
I learned so many new things from this video. How excellent that such a production can be created and made available for free. Thank you RU-vid and everyone involved. What a wonderful group of people devoting their lives to studying their areas of interest.
Tremendous discussion amongst scientific peers with obvious command of their specialties. Brilliantly hosted by Faith Salie who besides asking insightful questions, injected just the right amount of humour and a very human touch! Kudos to everyone involved!
They are incredibly intelligent and profoundly brave. You have to keep in mind that most animals spend every moment of their lives avoiding being eaten by many different predators many times their size. If they weren't very intelligent they would not survive and go extinct. People's refusal to acknowledge their intelligence does not diminish it in any way.
But but but-according to Gawd, only ‘man’ is intelligent and has a soul, as the Lord intended! You are all against GAWD!!! I’m gonna tell my Bigly Daddy, The Orange Jesus!
Not just that, but imagine if they didn't have to spend so much time on hunting or gathering. Imagine the intelligence they would develop then over time, through evolution and many years
My dog tells time. He also watches and reminds me about activities, like when the water has started to boil. Knows how to open gates, doors. He wakes me at 7am, tells me it's dinner time at 7 pm. Tells me about strangers about. I taught him a few direct signals and now he never shuts up.
It's very interesting how some animals have such an accurate internal perception of time. Assuming they aren't surreptitiously checking clocks, haha. :P
@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 You should get him a voicebox. A set of big buttons on the floor with soundbytes that let him, directly in plain words, form sentences, tell you what he is thinking. Seen others do it. No joke.
@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 yes that is fascinating. Dogs have been our companions forever. History hasn't outwardly given information and credit to them. We are connected because of something in common. I believe they can develop with language between us on their own. We have been able to breed them for certain tasks and I believe part of that is because of their change in evolution as well as ours. We are mammals. Emotion run high between canine and humans.
@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 all animals do... I has to do with circadian rhythms and the gravitational pull of the moon. Animals dont have the constant flood of eternal stimuli and mental "noise" like we do. So they are more intune with the earth and vibrations of the universe. WE would too if we didnt watch tv and spend hours and hours on the internet.
@Free My Grandma So true, just as education and intelligence are not the same despite how so many highly educated individuals feel about the rest of us! For those lacking sufficient intelligence, education is often a form of indoctrination.
@@RoySATX in sense they're right. But it's your decision to decide what you allow your mind to adopt. Most of what you think now is a direct result of everything you focus/refocus your attention to. While your subconscious mind stores I can say 80% of what your sense perceive. While you consciously store 10% for a short while. The other 10% was definitely lossed in the interruption of your senses. Sorry I started rambling.
@@Strength_In_Wisdom i think part of the problem is the methods of teaching and indoctination are trying to take away the freedom to decide what you allow your mind to adopt. it seems to be more of a hostile takeover.
I did dolphin communication with Dr. John Lilly in 1979. One thing I learned was the most common sound dolphins make sounds like a very high pitched trombone, sliding in pitch without breaks. On my last day, I showed the dolphins my delphinic etch a sketch. which in theory would let them draw pictures with sound' They exploded with hundreds of sounds I had never heard dolphins make before. They experimented, a hallmark of intelligence.
I did dolphin communication with Dr. John Lilly in 1979. One thing I learned was the most common sound dolphins make sounds like a very high pitched trombone, sliding in pitch without breaks. On my last day, I showed the dolphins my delphinic etch a sketch. which in theory would let them draw pictures with sound' They exploded with hundreds of sounds I had never heard dolphins make before. They experimented, a hallmark of intelligence.
And that signifies what? A form of complex communication that we can't comprehend. I have read Dr.Lilly's books and was so hopeful for interspecies communication back in the late 1970s and really thought we could break that gap in the 1990s but alas not to be.
I'm jealous. But I do, do stupid things. Caught a rattle snake 5ft10inches. Broken tattle. But after about a month it realized I wasn't going to harm it and became very docile the I let it go in time for hibernation season that was coming
@@ricktoffer01 animal loving scientist are still working on it. I am for sure. 86%of communication with any animal or person is body language 10% tones and only 4% the actual word spoken is what I learned in phycology
I've had pet rats for most of my adult life. So far I've had 13. They are so similar to humans that it's hard to comprehend. They seem to have all of the same emotions as us. The first time I realized this was when I had my first rat, Penelope (don't worry, I picked up a cage mate for her within a week because I learned quickly that rats aren't meant to be alone). After I had her for a few days and she got comfortable hanging out on my shoulder, when I would feed her sunflower seeds - she would eat one and then open one and hand it to me like she was giving me a treat. That is the exact moment that I fell in love with rats. Penelope would also hang out in my hood and 'groom me' which was really interesting because that's what rats do with their cagemates. I had a lot of cool rats that have done a lot of really cool things but Penelope was the first one that I had and so she spent a week with me without any sisters so I think that's why she picked up those habits. I've noticed my rats grieving when they lose a cage mate. I've seen my rats catered to their cagemates when they're sick or dying, and I've seen them get jealous when I take one of them out to play. Shockingly human-like
Pretty much all mammals have the same emotions as humans. The use the same types of cells, they use the same chemicals, etc. so of course they would have similar or the same emotions.
Watch some of the documentaries shot on the Serengeti ? Predators eating their prey alive ...? Killing their rivals offspring. ? Pity / empathy seem rather lacking. ?
Very interesting - I reached puberty later than most all of the members of my peer group and I was ridiculed quite viciously for it. It was a painful experience for a young girl to go through but hearing that it indicates intelligence is gratifying now at age 76. 💛
What struck me in this panel is the fact how many amazing women there are now in all fields of research. Not that I ever doubted that women can't be as smart as men but I was thinking how past history has denied us of such people.. so, now that women are finally getting the platforms needed, we can expect a much more rapid rate of advancement. The only thing we all need to figure out, is how to make the world a better place for all.
@@nonyabizness.original yeah but, that happens over evolution and for her to individually experience the far end of puberty (assumingely with normal health) means she could be the “mutation” or next step for humans to being even more intelligent and longer living… which would mean she herself could experience greater IQ and a longer life
"The divergence that I talked about five hundred and five million years ago..." (1:06:28) Wow, that octopus guy seems to have even more experience than I initially thought.
I did dolphin communication with Dr. John Lilly in 1979. One thing I learned was the most common sound dolphins make sounds like a very high pitched trombone, sliding in pitch without breaks. On my last day, I showed the dolphins my delphinic etch a sketch. which in theory would let them draw pictures with sound' They exploded with hundreds of sounds I had never heard dolphins make before. They experimented, a hallmark of intelligence.
I loveeeed this! Super refreshing to come across a video like this. We need to really spend more time thinking about the other species we live with on this wonderfully interesting planet.
No sir that three steps back in knowledge that she don't know what is neurone and what does it do and even how to develope human brain in whole world with one single idea ...she forgot her real reason of life
Wow! Who would've guessed it? People on the farms already knew that animals do think. If you have animals as pets or business and you're not spending time with them, you're missing a better blessing.
It's so irritating when magical events like this take place and the conversation progresses in such a beautiful fashion. Then because of time constraints or scheduling, it has to stop
Dang! I thought as I was reading your comment that you(finally someone) sees through this b.s.?! I’m not talking about their scientific data (if that’s what you want to call it, this info has been known for long time) I mean they are using animals just to get on tv/its a show for them. I mean come on “Octopuses lol” I guess their data didn’t inform the people talking the plural for Octopus. The scientists the man talking doesn’t know if the Octopus is male or female though he studied this Octopus & it is named. But he doesn’t know gender. Yah...Not that you have to know a gender of an animal for a study but common sense in Humans is We name living things by gender. This woman host talking is a ding dong. I can’t watch any longer
Is it phenomenal because of the bias in favor of women? If science is dominated by men, why are there more women on this panel? Seems like hostility towards men.
@weston grey so despite it being 50/50 men are highly discriminated against, there's scholarships for women for being, "under represented" ect. So all of that was a lie and an excuse to make harder for men to support their families? Awesome.
@weston grey why are you so hell bent on supporting discrimination against men? 1) Basic biology: women look for protectors and providers 2) You still didn't address that women get favorable treatment in every way possible, yet claim women are fighting for equality 3) 2008 recession led to massive lay offs and women divorcing husbands, leading to, "red pilling" where men learned that the kinda stuff they show in romance movies and the stuff you and 3rd wave feminists say. I could go on and on and on, but you support sexism against men, essentially.
Cattle when going from a reactive state of mind into a thinking state, are just as smart as dogs. I worked with longhorns and the main one I worked with learned and solidified the tricks I was teaching him in under 2 hours per session.
That was a good one. Maybe the most interesting for the novelty, Souzanna, but all four had a lot to input and I really miss the discussion could not go on for another two hours really, because that's when it would have become really interesting.
Time limits in more ways than just "being finite". If you discuss with someone for days you'll find it won't be a conclusive talk, but a meandering one going into tangents, forgetting arguments and contexts and repeating ideas, all while reinforcing the sheer ignorance of the participants. So, Time limits by the very nature of it, and not just because it's finite. That's one more reason I hate time.
"come back to the swarm little one" made me choke out my coffee xD actually that whole little segment there did! Anyways, wonderful sit, learned a lot!!
@@21stcenturyoldfogie54 totally we are possibly now one of the less intelligent species on the planet . The more technology we use , our instinctual portion of our brain becomes less used. This itself threatens our existence . A wild animal is more in tune with its natural surroundings , can detect threat and respond accordingly and hard wired to know how to survive a lot more efficiently than any human these days. We were top of the food chain but the tables are slowly turning
Learning about Indigenous cultures gave me a different perspective a long time ago. Indigenous cultures always gave other animals the respect they deserve and never saw themselves as special or better than. Their way of thinking was based on observations and contemplation of the natural world since time immemorial. They always saw themselves as part of that whole. Traditional cultures, in general, tended to make fun of people who were ego-driven and children learned early on that that was not respected. I’m not trying to idealize Indigenous people. Human beings all have similar traits. I’m talking about cultures. Learning about Indigenous culture’s way of thinking has opened my eyes to a very different way of seeing the whole. I’m glad I’ve had that opportunity. I love these kinds of videos on RU-vid because they scientifically prove what Indigenous cultures have always known. I have seen documentaries that show how well an octopus can solve difficult problems. That crows have facial recognition of individual humans and long memories. My favourite documentary is on The Nature of Things with David Suzuki. It’s called The Secret Life of Trees. The climate crisis is now teaching all of us that all life has intelligence; far more than the current dominant culture had us believing. Arrogance and greed have proven our downfall.
The French man Simon Garnier Biologist said the ant 🐜 they are stupid and I think that was not the correct answer because if notice what ant colony can done, they can cross the river and look for food and comeback where the Queen is and remain inside after bringing enough food on the rain, Winter 🌧️ season and he and others country scientific using Ant 🐜 method in computer for company forgotten that the all idea he or she using coming from stupid Ant 🐜 please tell me who is stupid here!
What I have always found fascinating (in a sad reflective way on humans) is that we want to teach them our languages...english or otherwise, rather than trying to learn theirs - I guess we don't think we are intelligent enough to learn their? Horse whisperers and others have begun that now and we are finally learning so much. Great Video, thanks!
@@diodorussiculus2186 That is machine learning, not sentient learning. Machines are terrible at nuance, which i so much of language. We can't yet even make a computer voice recording of anything that captures human languages well, though admittedly I have not looked at/heard them all. We may get there someday, but that is not real interactive understanding communication. Seems to me we would be better off using our own incredible onboard 'computer' to connect directly rather than the disconnected once removed way via designed computers. Computers have their uses, but they are not the answer to everything. They are not solving the world hunger crisis, the war crisis, the climate crisis etc.....they are human brain/behavioural issues.
1:19:11 I like how the lights flicker as she points her finger talking about disguising other forms of communication through polarization! That's pretty cool!
The mere fact that birds in particular build nest, a home, to my mind at least, is overwhelming evidence of their intelligence. They know instinctively where to build so that predators are not able to get to their eggs or young. Not all are successful, but the majority are.
4:20 why are we so condescending (perhaps for lack of a better term) to children? I hated this attitude as a child. It's not encouraging, it's demeaning
@Aristotle Stagirus Many discussions. Reality check for you mate - I made the choice to comment *purely about the host.* Why don't you take your assumptions somewhere else, they are largely irrelevant and off-point. If I wanted to talk about the actual discussion, then I would go and do that, but I didn't. If I wanted to talk about the issues in the world well then I'd be talking about that and not about the Host of a formal discussion.
@Aristotle Stagirus I dont remember asking for you opinion, or permission to express myself. You are an idiot if you ignore reality (ie my opinion) and want to only hear what you want to hear and live in a cocoon you have created. Using fancy word does not make you intelligent. Keep your opinion to yourself next time and do not make personal remarks and talk about the video instead you moron.
What wasn`t mentioned in the conversation was the ability that we humans have to "write" our language, which in my eyes is the most important way of contributing to the cultural development of any species. Cultural development being passed down from generation to generation using miming which is seen in animals such as chimpanzees and crows and by early humans, verbally has its limits. When humans invented writing on cave walls afterward in books as a means to preserve and accumulate knowledge, the learning process took off exponentially allowing the spread of our understanding of our knowledgable world. Our ability to read the written word and learn from it gives us this status of being "special". By writing this I water the tree of knowledge.
Wow! I knew much of this, but learned a few things too. I think there is a transcendant ancestral knowledge in most creatures that was breifly touched upon. An ant really needs it with a life-span of thirty-three days!...
Very interesting subject. The reporter is annoying. The scientist deals with interruption politely, but it seems the reporter’s job is to break everybody’s train of thought.
I'd like to hear more about instincts and the possibility of passing on memories through genes. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this especially in the case of the octopus since they live only 1 year and yet exhibit such a high level of knowledge
@@BrianArthur00 "some behaviors are determined by the type of genes you have received"; not said in this video, but, fear response induced by a particular smell can be passed to off spring (that particular smell will induce a fear response in offspring, demonstrating learned behaviors can be passed down through genes is very fascinating...) I also would like to have heard more
This is so inspiring, and I'm also very inspired by the fact that she made such major breakthroughs without going to school for it because school is really not how I learn. I learn by studying nature.
I had two fish in a large six foot tank. One was a goldfish, one was a coy. When the coy got ill and could not swim, the goldfish got underneath it and brought it to the surface, so that it could gulp air. I think that denotes premeditation, empathy, compassion and problem solving. I just wish it had been on video. Hopefully someone out there has proof of something simmilar.
Exactly any companion I've ever had we both understand that we have different creatures but we choose to respect each other's space and we live together like family. I know that they are not human and I know that they don't think the same as I do but their love doesn't feel any different. I treat them almost no different than a roommate/sibling.
Now called The Borg Principle, I was really interested in the French gentleman's input as it might apply to mega cities of the future. Or even cities now in situations like rioting. Or in military defeats where one side withdrew from the engagement in a rout. Interesting. Also, much of this discussion could be applied to the 2020 election. Social cues vs enlightened self interest issues abound in this latest contest. The social cues became even more important than life itself over the mask usage and display, or lack of display. Looking at red vs. blue lifestyles is interesting in light of this discussion. While it is only anecdotal evidence, it has been my experience that Republicans are more prone to being joiners. Clubs, churches, professional associations, military service, and on and on. Conversely, Democrats are more loosely organized, more likely to be agnostic, often following individualistic sports such as skiing, boxing, or sky diving. And tend to overall have smaller, more intense, social groups. On a lighter(?) note, damned if folks on here aren't a salty lot. Downright nasty and short tempered with each other. (I read the comments before posting.) There's a fine line, or so I've been told, between intellectual bantering and Silverback style aggression. And the word "banter" wouldn't be my choice to describe the comments of some folks here.
@@johnlameelk5339 It makes perfect sense now, Conservatives have much fewer brain cells and so they naturally organize into larger groups. This allows them to compensate for the discrepancy that comes with dealing with the much more dense neuronal network that the average Leftist brain possesses. Nature truly is wonderous.
@@jaelsonnen5750 I know it sounds humorous, but it's true, in a sense, none the less. Remember the school bully? He always needed his entourage to inflate his ego, and reinforce his decision making. They egged him on, like the secondary brains in the octopus's tentacles, agreeing with the main brain on a color scheme for camouflage. But they were all one organism. It would even help explain the post election denial from the average Republican. Because the main brain is indecisive, the fringe brain clusters can't move past the last unified decision. Reduced independent thinking also shows up in the stock bogus answers that seem to make no sense. A non active mode for original thought allows more resources to be devoted to bettering ones personal circumstances. From that viewpoint, the economy is more important than the destruction of some of their own minor neuron affiliates. You or I wouldn't worry about smoking a bowl, even though there is evidence there is some brain cell loss. But because it is such an insignificant amount, we wouldn't be likely to change our behavior on that alone. Well, if that is true for us, it only requires an adjusted viewpoint to say, "why bother with Covid protection when only 10-20 ℅ of 350 million will die before it burns out? That leaves over 325million stronger individuals to make America great again." Maybe I should write a book called *How to Understand the Republican Mind*
@@johnlameelk5339 yeah democrats are soooo smart. Clearly biden is the inteligentist, no wait.. smarterest, no that's not right.. you know,,, the thing! C'mon man! Democrats chose the smartest amongst themselves to rule the country. AMAZING. TRULY AMAZING👏
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that one of the guys wanted to ask a question but was ignored bothers me a lot, but other then that I find this very interesting thanks for sharing
We're certainly the only animal that knowingly participates in completely irrational and illogical undertakings ..regardless of the outcome on others / any thing(s). That's a unique level of 'intelligence'
Just amazes me that anyone at any time thinks that animals can't feel when almost every creature you encounter can show fear which is a sure sign of sentience
This fear you speak of is really just animals avoiding dangerous stimulus. They try to avoid harmful things, but that doesn't mean they actually *feel* fear. It could be an automatic response, the same way you flinch if someone sneaks up on you. The question is which of these animals' behaivors are automatic, and which (if any) are based on emotion and feelings, or on conscious thought. It is very difficult to distinguish an animal's intentions and reasons for doing things, so just because an animal runs away from a predator, doesn't mean that the animal feels fear in the same way that we do. I'm not suggesting that animals don't feel, I am only explaining why we ask these questions, rather than just assume. Personally, I believe that many animals have the ability to feel emotions, though not as complex as human emotions, though I could be wrong.
Love the cold ass responses to this, can't wait for the day someone makes you fear shit and you're just told it's an 'autonomous response'. It's like I'm talking to the undead
Amazing amazing amazing talk, really mind blowing. I need to ask you have covered everything but no one ought to talk about plants and trees. They are the binding force for all the animal species, they have stimuli also so much other chemistries, I believe this should be included . But all together the talk and whole program was amazing
I've always had trouble the the idea that humans are somehow superior to other animals. That is a big reason I fell out of religion. I was raised catholic, went to catholic school, church every Sunday, Sunday school and I'd always get in trouble because I'd ask questions like, if a guy committed a sin, why exactly did the sheep have to die to atone? Shouldn't it be HIS blood to spill, not the sheep's? What did the sheep do to deserve being murdered? I've had arguments with priests, my parents, nuns, teachers. The reason is because I grew up watching animals. Where I lived we were out in the woods, no friends, nearest neighbor was a mile away. My friends were the trees, and animals. I saw intelligence in them. From robins, to deer, to squirrels. The way I saw it, they weren't LESS intelligent than me, their intelligence was just different. My son asked me once: why aren't animals as smart as humans? I responded that they ARE. They are just smart in other ways. He asked, then why don't they build cars and houses? I responded, because they don't have to. They have what they need to survive. Why do they need to build houses and cars? To me, animals are just people, but look different, with a different culture and language. We all live together and we are all trying our best to survive.
Loved every minute of it. I've already gotten a lot of information to all fields mentioned. And yet there were new thing or things that were put into a different perspective. Magic happens when you put the original researchers together and they talk. Especially if they happen to be good at communication (which is not a given). Their ways of expressing discernment differs from them being "translated" by journalists.
Good thing there was that person in "Faith Salie's" ear who guided her on matters. She had no clue about the importance of things being discussed about. I mean please try no to interrupt when people with real knowledge or information are speaking,
Very interesting! This could be a very fantastic “home -school” moment that any parent can turn on and watch with your kids of any age and they will glean what they get from this & you can get such teaching and learning from this simple, free educational moment! ,,
One very very important point completely missed here! The impact of micro-/nanoplastics. In the brainsoup, we see a variation of the use of the brain in individuals that goes as low as 30% when intake of plastics is high. Humans have a very high intake of plastics.
If intelligence is measured by the ability to escape to the streets, or catch a sparrow, my dog is way more clever than me. He knows whether the gate is properly locked just by carefully listening when people come in. He knows the right velocity, angle and force with which to lunge at a bird.
What we tend to do as humans is see everything as a human the octopus uses frequencies of colour and textures so it doesn’t have to think about how to camouflage itself! It just needs to tap into the frequency that us humans don’t feel. We do see it but at a very small percentage. It’s done through electromagnetic frequencies.
Great discussion, a subject I’ve been interested in as far back as I can remember, like coming upon a colony of preying mantises And looking into their eyes watching you, a ant colony lizards,, even while spending hour snorkeling, scuba diving, and the countless animals and even reptiles..and like the second speaker I was strongly influenced by Jane Goodall, I have always felt all creatures are each special in their own way, and I could never understand how people could kill for sport except that they were like a house cat that kills for sport because of their nature, but seldom eats what it kills, animals in the wild do not hunt for trophy’s or sport but eats what it kills, so I am in complete agreement with this distinguished panel, but as a left handed dyslexic person growing up in the 50/60, I had a difficult time in school and was pretty much a outcast and preferred to spend many hours exploring and observing nature wildlife, etc, this love of everything and learning has followed me throughout my life, now I’m almost 70 and dismayed how little people understand climate change or how we are destroying all life thru our ignorance and how obsessed people are for wealth and power while denying intellectuals scientist like this panel, thank you for conforming and furthering my understanding of life...one question, I learned that all animals use their senses to detect threats, like a rattlesnake curled up to strike, but when one remains calm, they stop rattling and use their tongue to sense the threat, I learned that snakes however poisonous, we are not their target, and while snorkeling I’ve learned that when encountering large predators like sharks, barracudas that if one remains calm they will usually leave you alone, unless they hungry...so I’ve learned that wildlife uses their senses in ways we’ve forgotten...I suppose I could write a book on my experience but without documentation I’ve relied on more educated scientist to conform and further my knowledge and understanding. Thank you !
Tom, you had a similar observational experience to David Suzuki. He was born during WW2 when Canadians of Japanese decent were interned in detention camps. The other kids there all knew how to speak Japanese and he was seen as an outsider because he didn’t. He was alone a lot and turned his attention to observing the nature all around him. (The detention camp was in a wilderness area in central BC, Canada). His love of nature inspired his education as a scientist. He became a geneticist but eventually turned his interest to studying climate change. Way back in the 1970’s he was trying to warn people about what was happening but the fossil fuel corporations poured millions of dollars into propaganda against him and other environmentalists. They put him through a lot, but that didn’t stop him. Today he is a prominent environmentalist and supporter of Indigenous Rights. 😊 You are in good company.
@@christinelaframboises3705 thank you for such a uplifting reply, but even today, with all the disinformation and misinformation people are more divided than ever, especially with this pandemic, they’ve turned everything into politics, right v left, conservative v liberal, how sad that everything is about wealth and power,with a religious tone, i first became aware of the seriousness of climate change while working in Antarctica, back in the late 70s, after I retired from the navy in the early 90s, I’ve been very concern with how little anyone was taking this seriously, nothing was being done to reverse the damage caused by humans and CO2, anyways, the big question is have we reached that tipping point, yet, time will tell…
@@hil449 perhaps, but they have been placed on the endangered list, anyways, many animals have a dark side, that sometimes surfaces, but nothing compares to humans who routinely kill for sport, jealousy, meanness, political, ideological, or just out of spit etc etc
Beautifully said! Thank You....i am also a child of that era, dyslexic, autistic, ambidextrous, & cursed/blessed with synesthesia..which made life just a wee bit harder but i plowed onward anyway & got my degrees, etc..lol..it is what we make it to be.
I'm an old man now. I have wondered since I was a teenager, and maybe before that, why we called them "dumb animals" when they can obviously understand us way better than we can understand them...
Swarm intelligence is fascinating in that this made me think of what I'll call Corporate Intelligence. If you look at a car manufacturer, no one individual there can design a new car concept from scratch, engineer it, create the machinery to build it, and then do so in only a few years, but collectively, the employees operate outside their own individuality and "Ford" becomes an incredibly capable corporate intelligence. From janitors to machine operators, to chief engineers, they operate as one intelligent entity to achieve amazing things. Scale this idea to all of humanity and what we could achieve is mind-boggling. Humans obviously are limited to operating within their own respective "colony" though, and local to the goal.
We perhaps need more time we could even upload these as multi-part videos if we don't want to throw off folks who don't have lot of time. But clearly these are such awesome folks who clearly have lots to share but are constrained heavily by time
The next World Science Festival should have continuations of events so experts could explore even further into topics. If they revisited topics it would give people the opportunity to be caught up on major discoveries in the field. It would be an opportunity to further viewer's comprehension of progress in various fields of science. Fam, it would be totally lit🔥🔥🔥
I quite enjoyed listening in on this conversation…it could have lasted twice as long easily and not lost my interest. The discussion of ways to understand the communications of other living species could open us up to a great deal more understanding of Nature and Her inhabitants…including us. I’m happy to see progress in the direction of us learning their existing forms of communication instead of trying to make them learn the most difficult of human languages. Even the use of “American Sign Language” with various great apes some years ago was improperly applied by using the signs as stand-ins for single words…when it is actually a fluid and complex language in its own right. The apes learned a number of signs, but never really grasped combining a series of “signs” into a coherent sentence. The closest they got might be demonstrated by the ape repeating relevant signs with several others, such as, “apple me want apple me apple eat apple give”. The ape knew at some point, it would get an apple because of using the words for apple, and me more frequently while using the verbs only once each…the ape wouldn’t know which verb would get it the apple given the choice among want, eat, and give, so continued trying different words until the apple was given…still interspersing more Apple and Me signs to indicate it’s want.🖤🇨🇦
I loved this talk, though the thing Suzanna said about lifespans... I wonder which birds she's made brain soup of, because while what she said about lifespan holds true for a lot of parrots and corvids, it doesn't for pigeons, and I wonder if anyone has done anything like that with the Australian family that contains butcherbirds and magpies that exhibit some similarly complex behaviours. Will have to check out her research more in depth Edit: OK, apparently they have counts that line up with the lifespan trend she mentioned, but that's interesting considering some of the cognitive research in them... I wonder how specialisation figures in this context
While dolphins have advanced sounds available for communication.. Their use of conceptual language is probably highly limited (to "hey.. over here, I am Tommy, just saw a tuna"), and does not involve the "abstract" or "story telling" and thus is absolutely nowhere near the complexity level of human communication...... The reality is that humans are soooooo far ahead of any animal you care to choose in any aspect of intelligence. Mother nature allows this for her purpose of building upon previously achieved complexity.
You all make absorbing information fun. Enjoy the humor. A sort of collective brain it seems when people get together and talk about things. The old saying two heads are better than one? Interesting discussion here. Our world and all it's occupants are truly amazing. Humans are the only species that study other species, at least to the extent and way we do. Thanks for this work.
I often wonder if my free roaming rabbit thinks that _humans are actually the dumb ones_ - seeing how we can't always understand his intentions (even though he communicates quite clearly), or even properly design a burrow!
@@tantiwahopak101 believe it or not it wasn't until a few years ago that scientists agreed on this. Yes, for many many years many scientists believed animals lacked consciousness. That's why people always need to maintain skepticism towards certain scientific claims.
Thank you! Really enjoyed the experts and hearing this discussion. The enthusiasm of the journalist seemed a bit much..kind of came across superficial and distracting
On the last question of how special are humans, I think it's very attractive to take the humble approach and say we're not and there's a lot of good reason to. But I think we have to acknowledge just how great (and not necessarily good) our capability is as a species to change the world both on local scales and global scales. Sure enough, a single human isn't capable of much but communities of humans can do so much more than any other species, it's really wrong to dismiss that imo.
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“Are we special?” NO! Nobody is special. We’re all just human beings, one of billions that have lived. Stop telling kids they’re special. That’s why we have so many narcissists these days, who are encouraged by social media.
The 75-90% are so daffy, they actually believe that because they are among the majority they are obviously correct. . . humans . . not sure what to do with them.
And, you do? Think about it, why is it that humans assume they are superior to everything and everyone when we both know we've made grave mistakes in our lives and we are lucky to have survived, so far?
I agree. There is a series on BBC Radio 4 atm that says that octopi are not only very highly intelligent, but may well be sentient. You can hear it all on BBC Sounds if you are interested. Pigs are also highly intelligent as animals go. It makes it too difficult to enjoy calamari and smoky bacon. I have no objection to meat _per se,_ but I draw the line at intelligent creatures and I don't see any reason to torture the animal for months before killing it. So I never eat veal or pate de foie gras, either. {:-:-:}
I'm half Japanese. Octopus was in my diet. I can no longer eat them after I learned about them. Same with pork. Maybe someday I can turn away from flesh altogether.
this was way too short...would have been awesome for each one to speak for hours and hours. i found it to be very interesting and love to hear more from all of them
I am quite confident when there is a follow up conversation in twenty years time they are going to have some animals as guests talking about their experience in working with human scientists
I wish humans could live In symbiosis without exploiting them, they are our brothers and sisters, the only family we have in our galactic neighbourhood.
tell that to a bear or wolf each animal looks out for themselves, and maybe then their species, at best, in limited cases they will use others for gain, or in some specific cases fun now, we can try to have fun with other animals over harm, that much is of course logical and much more moral, but during all that we can never forget what happens in that animals brain when boredom sets in for them tbh tho, even most humans will only try to use others for self gain, in that sense the first speaker is right, in that we are truly just another animal in this fight for survival
@@migueld8970 how the fuck does that sound like a Disney movie? Living in peace with the planet and its inhabitants is the only way the human race is going to survive and to keep this planet habitable but oh na we should just keep killing each other and animals and just destroy the entire ecosystem for food that we don't need to produce just so lazy fuck humans have the convenience to go buy a big Mac combo when we want, but living in peace and sustainable is gay ay bro. Fuck some ppl just don't like to use their brain and just spiel the first dumbshit that pops into their head. Humans are the only species that terminates its own environment at its own detriment because we can.
What sort of person gives this a thumbs down? This was brilliant, thought provoking, entertaining and packed with learning opportunities! What's not to love?
Probably vegans... 😆 they want to think of themselves as holier than though coz they eat only "non-sentient" plants when a slime mold turns out to be smarter than they are! 😆😅😂
What's unique to humans is not the USE of tools, it's the BUILDING of tools. To build a tool means to assemble two elements together, such as a rock at the end of a stick. This is the fundamental capability that allows to build tools without limit of complexity. No other animal does this.
@@geoffsaunderson5766 I'm not sure but I think ur insinuating I'm rich and care about money or making my parents proud... You got the wrong guy moron so just go back to playing with dolls and stop throwing shit insults at the the wall to see what sticks
Gosh - that discussion projected itself well into the future - fascinating thank you. Two points I loved: we are as intelligent as we need to be for our environment (so we should not then measure other species intelligence by our environment). And the point about how we are just beginning to learn to interact, react and communicate as a swarm.
[25:39] Housecats also pass the mirror test. So well, in fact, it is very hard to get a cat to look at 1. I've only had success in strange foreign environments. Once the cat realizes that's her reflection, forever after refuses to look at it. I noticed this in childhood.
Wish i could say the same for mine!.....Every mirror in the house has lil footie prints all around the bottom, every day....& forget any nick nacks or decorations that might dare to block access...instant crash & smash, to the ground....
Ya. I studied Complex systems for about 4 years as a consequence of trying to learn how diversity works. The eventual conclusion ones comes to from studying it, is that, the universe is a computer, that operates on simple rules...these rules are more fundamental than the laws of physics (Stephan Wolfram's Theory of Physics). A lot of the ideas in his theory perfectly align with what we see in nature, and why it is so complicated. He's got a very fascinating lecture to watch that has a say on the subject : "Stephen Wolfram | How Universal Is the Idea of Numbers? | NUMEROUS NUMEROSITY 2021"
This was a fascinating program which would have become a hundred times more useful if it wasn't being presented by this lady here. She came charging into the program bent upon making waves, cutting unnecessary jokes, creating a lot of noise and speaking in a high pitched voice to generate a lot of tension and competition among the participants. The four participants were amazing experts in their own fields, and I kept wishing the presenter had started off calmly, and minimized her own interruptions to allow the experts to speak calmly and more fully. There is a serious misunderstanding among some presenters that making noisy and jolly interruptions makes for a good video program. With experts at this level, all you need to do as a presenter is to minimize your own presence, ask as few questions as possible and allow knowledge to flow forth. Don't be in the driver's seat This is why people like Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Kraus decided to do away with moderators so they could speak their minds without being state-managed by some moderator.
Very interesting discussion. I especially appreciated the pattern of interviewing every person separately at first before turning it into a general discussion. I also liked the fact that it was a more interactive discussion and not a series of Q&A. And thanks for the little jokes that make the whole thing so much more enjoyable.
I'm no more than a fairly-smart country boy and I can tell you that all we have to do is to actually *pay attention* to animals in order to see their intelligence.
Great program. It would be nice though, for my taste, if the incomparable Faith could dial it back just a litttttle bit, in the future. Kinda exhausting.
@@dustman96 look up Coco the gorilla. She speaks alot of sign language pretty incredible when a gorilla can tell you she's sad and wants a family or simply ask for some juice
@@freeair9460 i think i even remember that. RIP Robin Williams. Only in the past ten years i started screening youtube for satire and comedy and stumbled upon Robins early works as Mork from Mork&Mindy and his early stand ups. Damn he was quickwitted like noone else i have ever seen.
@@freeair9460 Professors from the university that originally boasted Koko the gorilla have given full lectures (recorded and uploaded to RU-vid even) explaining that it was absolutely fraud, the gorilla was never fluent in sign language and the woman who left the school broke her contract with the zoo and actually stole that gorilla to make money for years by pretending his random signs were coherent sentences and correct responses. If you want some actually impressive monkeys: Go look up capuchins or any species that's been repeatedly recorded on video using rocks and flat surfaces as tools to crack nuts.
I don't get it why such great festival has so many bad hosts ;d who always interupts the speakers and have no idea what are they listening to. Let other scientists host the interviews...
