Returned BM036 Clamp Meter Investigation

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Returned BM036 Clamp Meter Investigation
Part 2: • BM036 Clamp Meter Magn...
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@EEVblog2 3 месяца назад

Part 2 is here. It's not magnetisation of the core. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UJ6JG4eV0nY.html

@bigclivedotcom 3 месяца назад

Just a thought - I've noticed that some DC clamp meters can get skewed by exposure to very strong magnets. It might be worth using a degausser on it to see what happens.

@TheDefpom 3 месяца назад

Agreed, on other units degaussing is part of the procedure.

@tuxontour 3 месяца назад

I would suspect the same.

@Zanthum 3 месяца назад

Would that cause it to continue to go further out though?

@JimLahey21 3 месяца назад

Back in the Nokia days my phone speakers always failed when doing a generator load test

@bigclivedotcom 3 месяца назад

@@Zanthum Continued use in the vicinity of a high power magnet.

@Junkman444 3 месяца назад

I don't know if you have another one to do a board swap with to see if the problem follow the daughter board or stays with the mainboard and go from there.

@S_F_U_L 3 месяца назад

I didn't expect to see so many cheap trim pots in anything made by Brymen.

@YT-Observer 3 месяца назад

The missing calibration procedures etc. reminds me of We really need riggt to repair laws

@_BangDroid_ 3 месяца назад

Shocking that an engineer licensed dealer can't even access this even with an NDA

@zoom_h2625 3 месяца назад

demagnetize the clamp. Clamp it a few days on one phase of your home circuit.

@Zanthum 3 месяца назад

JU8 pin 1 looks insufficient solder on front board possibly floating. Edit: most visible at 8:08, also appears to have major solder voids on opposite side of board most visible at 9:50. I think the other side of these header pins were resoldered, motherboard side, but the daughterboard side I don't believe was touched up.

@JustinDavidow 3 месяца назад

Yeah; JU8 looks worrying for sure; though it does seem strange that remove + reinsert would continue at the same offset..

@EEVblog2 3 месяца назад

No solder on the top side of a plated through connector hole is not uncommon.

@KeepEvery1Guessing 3 месяца назад

@@EEVblog2 Failed trough plating barrel is also not uncommon.

@chalooter 3 месяца назад

I didn't notice if you tried removing the batteries, wait a few minutes and replace them and try it, or use a different set of batteries. It can be magic.

@WizardTim 3 месяца назад

Did you check if the laminated clamp core has become magnetized? That can sometimes happen if the company is working with ultra high DC currents or more likely around magnetics like in large solenoids or motors. If you have a degausser might be worth a try.

@EEVblog2 3 месяца назад

I've asked them. The company makes custom high capacity battery packs, like 15kWh stuff.

@WizardTim 3 месяца назад

@@EEVblog2I'd suspect that as a possible cause. Just imagine the inrush current on a 15 kWh battery if they forget to precharge! That meter is probably used for some >400 A for 5 minute test or something. If confirmed might have to advise the customer to _reverse clamp meter polarity each test_ to prevent future failures.

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

@@WizardTimWhy would this residual magnetism continue to increase by itself? The offset went from 14A to 85A during the time it was being posted to Dave.

@WizardTim 3 месяца назад

@@ferrumignis Good point, if it's magnetism it shouldn't be increasing unless it's being actively exposed to a high field strength, maybe the customer reported the fault to Dave awhile ago and continued to use it before getting an RMA and sending it to Dave? Otherwise it could be that the MEMs magnetometer is physically damaged by some massive > 10 kA inrush pulse, I could believe that could cause the drift without needing to be used, guess we just have to wait to see what Dave finds now I guess.

@mattymatt2027 3 месяца назад

Swap board with one known to work and issolate fault. Fun times 😊

@TranscendentBen 3 месяца назад

8:25 "Yeah, there's nothing obvious there, there's no solder joint issues that I can see" but in the video pin 1 of that 3-pin connector, top right, is clearly NOT soldered ... let's see how long it takes him to notice,

@TranscendentBen 3 месяца назад

Okay, at 9:21 is looks like it's soldered on the BACK of the board, but it sure looks dodgy from the component side ...

@EEVblog2 3 месяца назад

No solder on the top side of a plated through connector hole is not uncommon.

@TradieTrev 3 месяца назад

Didn't even know this one was released, been looking forward to this meter for my electrical work... Been using those cheap uni-t clamps

@FISHERMAN33RUS 3 месяца назад

Dave couldn't find the error, I don't believe it 😮

@microwave221 3 месяца назад

Great, now I've been reminded to revisit my little Uni-T to see if l can't track down its phantom voltage offset, and why its NCV went wacky. Got some good years out of it, but l liked how convenient it was

@reedreamer9518 3 месяца назад

Does this clamp meter model record peak amps reliably - I need on of those!

@victorrodrigues9322 3 месяца назад

Hey, if you have another try swap the boards one by one, to isolate the bad board, then compare both

@AdmiralQuality 3 месяца назад

"Yeah... yeah... I partner with and resell assholes' stuff!"

@ppdan 3 месяца назад

It might "ruin" a second meter, but I would try swapping parts with another working unit just out curiosity. Maybe the hall sensor in the clamp went "bad"? Looks like an interesting repair video, especially since it didn't "self-heal" after opening it.

@topherteardowns4679 3 месяца назад

did c31 have a crack along the solder joint?

@dohhomer9 3 месяца назад

As you were looking at the daughter board I couldn't see any solder on one leg, of the three-leg plug that was just unsoldered from the main board. It may be soldered fine on the other side and has just not flowed through, it's visible around the other two pins though.

@qzorn4440 3 месяца назад

I wonder how these BM036 clamp meters work on the VFDs? On the factory floor there are hundreds of these AC motor drives to maintain. Great video, thank you.

@Firecul 3 месяца назад

A similar thing has been happening with my cheap uni-t meter (Although at a smaller scale) . It'll be interesting to see if it's the same cause if we ever find out

@Daniel10439 3 месяца назад

Dave be like, 'They are generally good meters.' Me be like, 'Finally, a recommendation.' So I ordered the BM037 and hope I won't regret this €100 purchase.

@xjet 3 месяца назад

A leaky precision amp (that AMD device?) right up there in the front end would be my guess. Try hitting it with some heat/cold and see if that dramatically changes the offset.

@bradallen8909 3 месяца назад

AMD? It’s an Analog Devices part.

@Sidman723 3 месяца назад

Did you try zero button in the ACA mode and did it work? If not, could be defective zero button or related circuit.

@iamdarkyoshi 3 месяца назад

I've got a clamp meter that I bought from hazard freight that has never worked right. I can't remember what didn't work, whether it was AC or DC. But something about it was weird, I think it was AC amps always read wrong

@lindenhoch8396 3 месяца назад

Is R79 missing, or on the other side perhaps?

@kevincozens6837 3 месяца назад

It probably doesn't make a difference but I noticed that pin 1 of the three pin header appears to only have solder on one side. The solder didn't flow through the hole to the other side of the PCB.

@Petertronic 3 месяца назад

Weird, I'd be interested to know the fault. The serial number on my BM036 is very close to this one.

@fiorenzo6301 3 месяца назад

One of the pot maybe has grown a resistance bridge?

@Wolfhound. 3 месяца назад

its not that its to large of a number cause as of making the letter they said it was 7-8A then up to - 14A and it would not 0 out now its pulled it self up to 85

@joshuamacdonald4913 3 месяца назад

Wish I had one of these 8 years ago lol. I have been looking for a new meter. I was torn between an EEV blog BM 235, fluke 17B+ and those scope meters that were reviews here (not long ago I think) with the 2 inputs. I am in Canada so the EEv blog one is the most expensive.

@Chris_Grossman 3 месяца назад

it could be the hall device

@thomasw6169 3 месяца назад

There's only a couple of signals from daughter board. Could compare to a known good unit.

@imark7777777 3 месяца назад

What a interesting fault. another possibility if that's not read only memory would be a bit flip. My first thought would be maybe the current clamp has been magnetized by accident?

@homersimpson6985 3 месяца назад

So does Brymen give you credit for defects or do you have to eat that?

@brucepickess8097 3 месяца назад

Dave seems to have iGNAWed that question, I guess that he can CHEWs to do that. 😏

@user-pc9it3kt2o 3 месяца назад

Dave, have you measured the clamp coils? I think they have to be fairly close to each other.

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

I might be misunderstanding your point, but DC current does not (can not) use coils, it uses hall sensors.

@user-pc9it3kt2o 3 месяца назад

The clamp jaws have coils in them; I don't think Dave tested them. I couldn't see anything obvious on the boards.

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

@@user-pc9it3kt2o The coils are used for measuring AC current.

@amrishhirani6096 3 месяца назад

May capacitor be faulty guessing thanks

@TheElectronicDilettante 3 месяца назад

Maybe the meter is picking up the long awaited pole shift!!😝 Is that a genuine Analog Devices IC ? If so , which one? I tried looking it up and couldn’t find it. My bet is the mcp6002 opamp. In the circuit example of the data sheet for ac/dc test circuit, any of those capacitors in said circuit could cause all sorts of issues.

@TheDefpom 3 месяца назад

Looks like there are several dodgy solder joints, there’s quite a few there I would have reflowed.

@christopherguy1217 3 месяца назад

I did notice that the Zero button did nothing. Perhaps the button contacts are faulty. I'd remove the button and try with a metal contact to see if the issue is the conductor on the button.

@vkp111 3 месяца назад

I think the zero button works only when the reading is near to zero. Not on large variations.

@SirBoDen 3 месяца назад

Slowly getting magnetized

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

From what? How did it go from 14A to 85A offset whilst it was being posted to Dave?

@TheChrisey 3 месяца назад

This is very likely component failure, probably a capacitor or Opamp/ADC with a manufacturing defect that slipped through testing

@pegr69 3 месяца назад

Just return it to the customer with a calculator and tell them to subtract the difference.. ;-)

@Wolfhound. 3 месяца назад

that daughter board sure as heck looked like it was meant to come out of that socket you unsoldered are you sure its just not stuck or something ?

@mohamadasriabdulazid4784 3 месяца назад

hmmm why dc clamp meter is more expensive then ac only clamp meter🤔. if it just a piece of software, why double the price?😓

@MikeSmith-sh3ko 3 месяца назад

Should have brought a uni t😅

@ronsreadyornotshop 3 месяца назад

over limit, there is no load.

@harkbelial 3 месяца назад

It's frickin' solar roadways curse Dave. I've told you not to mess with those guys!!!

@Okurka. 3 месяца назад

Ugh.

@JimLahey21 3 месяца назад

Is your voice pitch getting higher?

@polymath9372 3 месяца назад

Maybe he's Australian?!

@Okurka. 3 месяца назад

Davina is mid-transition.

@sarathai2876 3 месяца назад

Just refund them and give them and huge discount on a better ndmeter

@chrislemus9392 3 месяца назад

Nice! No more porn bots!

@dashcamandy2242 3 месяца назад

At the time of typing this, two comments below you is from one. lol

@dennisolsson3119 3 месяца назад

Free energy! :)

@caseyrevoir 3 месяца назад

So, yeah?!

@slygamer01 3 месяца назад

I thought OL was Open Loop on meters.

@ulwur 3 месяца назад

"Ower range" would be a better phrase. It reads OL on current and volt over ranges

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

"Open loop" would only make sense on a resistance or diode test range, not on voltage or current ranges.

@Sydney268 3 месяца назад

Overload innit, although open line seem popular with youtube "techs" 🤣

@brucepickess8097 3 месяца назад

Sometime it's Over or Outside Limit.🤔

@Sydney268 3 месяца назад

@@brucepickess8097 how about Out(of)Luck

@emailmax 3 месяца назад

Check the batteries the simplest things get overlooked I had a meter do that when battery’s low

@ferrumignis 3 месяца назад

If the batteries were so exhausted that it badly affects the accuracy then wouldn't you expect a low battery warning?

@EngineersFear 3 месяца назад

Same here, current reading was badly skewed but no battery warning

@nightfiremovingpictures5632 3 месяца назад

Good thought, my Agilent U1272A also did this whilst the battery was low, BEFORE any battery warning came on...