@@aamirrazak3467No, KOTOR 2 had no place for Revan. Revan came to terms with his past in KOTOR 1. The sequel is the Exile’s chance of closure but also Nihlus is the mirror opposite of the Exile. Both force wounded, both form force bonds, both heavily traumatised by war and Malachor V but both coped in different ways with the trauma. It’s perfect, just perfect. not everything has to be about Revan or fan service.
Besides it’s likely Revan would be useless until Nihlus tries to consume the exile. Feeding someone who’s powerful in the force but force wounded is like eating from a can of tasty looking poison. It’s likely if The Exile wasn’t a wound in the force, Nihlus would’ve killed them and their companions.
@@Echani3007 KOTOR 2 provided backstory about revan and further fleshed out his character, and a dark vision of him appears in the secret tomb of ludo kressh on korriban, but yes i agree that its about the exile and it is my favorite game ever and brilliantly written. the exile's story is one of the best in star wars imo
Revan was very powerful he was literally the chosen one of the old republic he balanced the light and dark for 300 years (Sorry Sidious killed Plagueis not Vitate)
@@ManoraManYT no but he backed him off for a long time he was essentially the chosen one and balanced both the dark and the light for 300 years sidious killed vítate in his sleep so don’t act like they both 1v1 in a duel
He was not “literally the chosen one”. People have to stop saying literally for things they completely make up. Revan had nothing to do with the Father, Son, or Daughter. Just because he knew both sides of the force does not make him “the chosen one”.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 it’s not that he know both sides your argument is invalid Revan balanced both the dark and light for 300 years pushed back the emperor of the old republic
@@vali6843 No he didn’t lol, the Sith Triumvirate came after him and nearly killed the entirety of the Jedi order. Revan didn’t balance a damn thing. The Emperor of the old republic was sitting around for 500+ years already before Revan even came lol. The chosen one is meant to replace the father’s role on Mortis, and Anakin is literally the being born for that, and accomplished it in TCW.
@@ghostridersgromFun fact, but one of the original ideas for Nihilus was to have his iconic mask actually be Revan's skull. Just imagine how rad it would be, them introducing this villain as the guy who killed your character from the first game and now wears him as a trophy. At the end of the day though, I'm glad it got shafted. Keeping him alive longer gave them the chance to further establish Revan as a total badass!
Revan was a master of both the light and dark side, lightsaber combat he was excellent, he was responsible for saving the galaxy from falling during the mandalorian wars, while the Jedi sat and only discussed the killings, Revan took it upon himself to face the mandalorians at malachor, and he fell to the dark side in order to save the galaxy not because he was overwhelmed by the dark side, The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is different in many ways, overall the story of Revan is among my favorite stories in the entire Star Wars history
Well no, after his victory over the mandalorians he went looking for the reason behind their invasion then got absolutely molly whopped by the Emperor, only to return after his redemption with Meera and get fucked up again by the same dude.
@@KingSlayer_. Not even high diff lol, DE Sidious wipes him off from existence. Plagueis or Vader would be a better match although he'd still probably lose.
People really overestimate Nihilus. He's pretty useless without Force Drain, and Force Drain is in fact an ability which can be countered by a powerful enough Force User. Once Revan blocked his Force Drain, Nihilus would be boned.
You underestimate nihilus. He had just about the strongest connection and power over the force which is literally what makes a jedi/sith as strong as they are. (Their connection to the force)
nihilus force drain helped him eat planets everyday, in fact if darth traya hadn't also been a wound in the force they wouldnt have ever killed nihilus and he would have ate every inch of life in existence
Revan taught the modern sith, from bane all the way to sidious, every force ability, every strategy, everything they knew. Revan only lost to vitiate because Bastila got killed. In the novel revan had vitiate on the back peddle during the light saber duel, force power, raw power vitiate beat revan. It was only when he was distracted by her death was when vitiate was able to subdue him with and extremely powerful force storm.
But Revan could still defeat him. There were many reasons, the memory had not yet fully returned, exhaustion, he was weakened, and his enemy was at his base still shrouded in the dark side of the force, while Revan could still win, the fight was worthy.
The only way Revan beats Nihilus is if he can, like the Exile, negate Nihilus' Drain but given how Revan studied the Sith texts at the Trayus Academy, I'd say he'd definitely have a chance. I also think a fight between Revan and Sidious would end up with both of them dead or 1 bowing to the other in order to stab him in the back later on.
I don’t think Revan can. See, I think Nihlus only had his hunger beaten by The Exile because The Exile is a wound in the force. It doesn’t make sense to try feed from the force of someone who isn’t recognised by the force. It’s the result of the war that Nihlus & The Exile are so powerful but also why they’re both wounds in the force. Kreia says ingame that these techniques can only be learnt by those who have experienced being force ate. I’m not sure Revan has had such a traumatising event happen to him. I’m sure it would’ve heavily corrupted him.
@@Echani3007 Oh yeah I get all that. What I'm saying is the Exile had an innate ability to be able to defeat Nihilus. I think Revan could have learned of Nihilus' weaknesses without becoming a wound in the Force given enough time and material.
he would of beat vitiate easily if vitiate wasn’t on the planet of Dromund Kass, which multiplied vitiates power,stated in kotor, also revan had just broken out of prison 3 days before fighting vitiate where he was tortured for 300 years straight. on equal grounds on a normal planet revan beats nihilus high/extreme diff
Fr. George Lucas said palpatine the strongest sith but like... what did he do? He killed plagueis but it wasn't even in a proper fight it was while plagueis was drunk and asleep. Palpatines only big feet is his iq other then beating maul and savage easy. And setting up the clone wars which palpatine barely did most of it was dooku and grevious ngl. Then he died so easily in rotj. Revan is too op dor canon so i think that is why they made him jot canon then said palpatine was the strongest.
@@jaymessmoyer340 Since we're all going off Legends continuity Palpatine was capable of controlling Force Storms which were space anomalies that could be used a Force wormholes. He could you them to obliterate ships and even travel across the galaxy. The problem is the technique is highly dangerous, and the slightest loss in concentration could kill the user. This is how one of Palptine's clone bodies was killed at the end of the first part of Dark Empire. I highly recommend that story because it takes what was shitty about the sequels and runs circles around those movies. Those books also laid the foundation of the Tales of the Jedi comics which were essentially the beginning of the Old Republic era in media. Dark Empire gets a lot of flack for it's premise, but it handles it really well in terms of execution, which is more important than the premise. Here's the gist of it so spoiler warning if you're interested and haven't read it or listened to the audio drama that's really good. Basically Palpatine had plans to restructure the Empire so that he could usher in a new era of open practice of the dark side. He reorganizes at the center of the galaxy, and amasses power their since that's where all his resources were (Exegol bing in the Unknown Regions was fucking dumb, and Byss is a much better location). Luke doesn't actually fall to the dark side. He's essentially doing his same plan from ROTJ, but this time Anakin isn't there to save him from death, so he gets in way over his head and gets too deep. Leia gets a bigger role and this story basically puts her closer to Luke's level, and they are able to defeat Palptine. The whole story is about Luke realizing that he isn't the only hope, and that he doesn't have to sacrifice himself to save the galaxy. Basically it's the sequel trilogy if Anakin's sacrifice wasn't in vain (Luke actually revives the Jedi Order), and Luke isn't character assassinated because you actually get to see the build up. This was longer than I expected, but I really wanted to help flex the fact that one of Legends supposedly worst stories is leagues better than Disney canon.
@@jaymessmoyer340 Even then, Revan's manipulations make Palpatine look like an idiot in comparison. Intentionally creating wounds in the force to mass convert Jedi to the dark side is genius.
"Revan was power," is a quote from their first teacher, but Revan couldn't not stop a wound like Nhilius... he is the embodiment of emptiness and he leaves such in his wake. The only reason he is able to be defeated is because the Exile does what she does at the right time
No. The same as saying that Vader would not be able to defeat Polpatin. And Revan was in top shape and used his strength as a Jedi and as a Sith to the fullest, so the battle would have been epic, but he would have defeated him.
Ok so, this is some legends sources Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Source: The New Essential Chronology Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known. Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed. Source: Death Star His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith. Source: Force & Destiny Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side. Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived. Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all! Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005) Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms. ""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."" ""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations." Source : Byss and the Deep Core (So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 billion according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child) When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife. To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed) etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
People also seem to forget revan got ragrolled by vitiate. Sidious low difs revan. Better duelist and strongest force user. There is not a simgle thing revan can do better than sidious
When it comes to the debate of Revan and Vader, I see Revan as what Vader/Anakin could have been if he was able to reach his full potential. They also share many similar character traits as well.
Revan is the example of what Revan should have strived to be someone who wants to learn who is powerful because he earns it not because he is naturally gifted
This despite the fact that the only one he was afraid of was Revan, using his knowledge while he was in a state of suspended animation, even then Revan influenced him with his power. It was Revan's actions that were key, one of the most important, and ultimately led to victory. At the time of the battle, Revan was exhausted and weakened, part of his knowledge and memory had not yet been fully restored, and they fought in a place where dark power was concentrated, even then Revan could be able to win, so otherwise everything would have ended more like a battle Vader and Darth Sidious, in the end Revan would have completed his mission anyway. In fact, one way or another, he did it..
@@Lordmegs132 in fact one, and then at that moment Revan did not have all his strength, and Vitate tried to hit his allies. Revan could well repeat the ritual of draining power from others and be like Vitat, but this is not the way of Revan, if they had not fought on the planet of Vitiata, where dark power prevailed due to his murder rituals, then Revan could even defeat him without any problems, maybe it could be like in the battle of Vader against Palpatine, Revan would have arranged it differently from Vitait, as in the case of the one who broke his jaw.
In general, their confrontation looks like Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, reminiscent of a film with Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes: a game of shadows.
@@igornagonski8215 Nah, anyone saying Sidious has a decent chance in combat is a fanboy. Same thing as the people who say Sidious would legitimately be able to beat Vader if Vader truly broke through the mental block of being subservient to Palpatine and "needing" him.
The fight with Revan and Nihilus would be amazing to watch. More badass than the final fight Anikan and Obi-Wan in revenge of the sith. I would pay to see and allout fight with Revan and Nihilus
@RealDutchBearhe was killed by Vader, he was disabled. Luke did not do this, but he could have, but this is how he brought his father back from the dark side. what will someone in much better shape do to Palpatine, like Revan? all these measures change according to the need of the plot, which was more interesting, so forget it, but logically speaking, this is also not the case.
I have to admit. Revan is a strong combatant but he'll lose to Sidious. Remember Sidious was the chosen one of the dark side of the force. Also, Sidious midi chlorian rate was slightly higher than Yoda I believe?
Revan is by far one of my top 3 favorite fictional characters ever along with Anakin and Luke. I 100% agree that he would defeat every character in this short. Even if he would struggle immensely with many he would still eventually defeat them all in a one on one. That includes Nihilus, Bane, Malgus, and Palpy Palps.
Depends if revan can get closed nihilus has no chance even if he had 10 light saber cause he's trash at dueling but if revan get force drained he's done for, I think only Skywalker bloodline is immune to force drain but am not sure if revan reborn is immune or not
@@dreemurrprince normal force drain yes but Nihilus force drain was special because he was a wound in the force. If Metra wasn't a wound herself and didn't stoped him , Nihilus would destroy/eat everything
@@dangi6516 Yes, it became a thing where he naturally would just do it to those around him, i don’t see how that removes the “stronger = not work” weakness
But that’s the thing revan has feats of beating people who are superior duelist revan’s mastery is the 6th form the moderation form It has no weakness yet not strength Revan uses it to measure his opponents so when he figures out their weakness he focuses on that His mindset is “Winning isn’t about being better, it’s finding your opponents weakness then exploiting it” Dooku’s weakness is he can’t tank a head in assault from someone skilled and strong Revan is skilled and stronger then he looks according to everyone he has fought If Revan can keep up with dooku in a duel he doesn’t have to match his swordsman ship he has to presses a his counters into an aggressive offense dooku can’t defend against
@@ATalesTruth- Of course Dooku can defend a hand on assault, Dooku himself isn’t a very strong guy, you think he wouldn’t do anything about that? Any strike an opponent makes, Makashi allows to perfectly parry with minimum effort. The only way to beat Makashi is to outlast your opponent, but Dooku has extreme endurance. Of course Revan has a weakness, his lack of a strength is weakness in it of itself. Dooku can capitalize off that by dominating him in things that Revan is just ok in and destroy him. Not only do I think Dooku would win, I think he would wipe the floor with Revan.
@@AdamFrisch1 well revan is actually strong and his stamina is off the charts If anything revan can last just as long as dooku The idea of dooku being stronger physically implies he actually bull doses his way to victory He doesn’t Also dooku vs Anakin is a prime example of what I mean when dooku can’t handle a front full assault As Anakin in all their fights in the clone wars past season 3 is having dooku on the back foot Revan is a lot like dooku The biggest advantage revan has is adaptability and endurance Dooku’s biggest advantage is his fence and composure to his form The only way you can say dooku wins is if he can’t keep up in a fight As again Revan doesn’t have to a be a better duelist to win a duel he just has to figure dooku out to exploit his weakness which revan said he can master fighting an opponent on first encounter
@@ATalesTruth- The reason Dooku lost vs Anakin in ROTS is because Palpatine told him to so that Anakin could kill him and become his apprentice. I really think you’re overrating Revan here, and enough with the “Form 6 Moderation Form” most Jedi use Form 6 y’know and Dooku has killed a LOT of Jedi. In the clone wars series, I can’t recall when Anakin actually beat Dooku, I remember one of them usually having to run away to go take care of something else, and the reason Dooku was always on the defense is because that’s literally what Form 2 is designed to do, force your opponent to use up all his energy. Plus, Anakin is an offensive person, so both were just playing to their strengths. And again, it is universally held that Dooku is the most powerful duelist, I don’t care how good Revan is compared to people who were better than him, it just wouldn’t be enough.
@@AdamFrisch1 see I agree revan is overrated by a lot of People At the same time I think you underestimate him by that extension It’s your screwed other-way It’s a case in people thinking revan is one of the best their not wrong But thinking he beats the absolute best is wrong Thinking Revan is say weaker then obi wan that’s wrong Thinking he is stronger then sidious that’s also wrong It’s a case you have to look at him objectively In show he is very much like starkiller someone who has potential but never actually reached it in life and was considered OP regardless by many Into the discussion Anakin beating dooku there are a lot of people who interpret the fight differently Some say Anakin beat dooku fair and square some say dooku was instructed to lose Again your screwed either way because the interpretation can be seen in either case As for you saying dooku beat people with form 6 The issue with your argument is the Jedi of the prequel era dooku said don’t even respect the lightsaber and lost the proper skill and respect that comes with the blade Not to mention the reason most form 6 users are shit in the prequels Because they use form 6 without mastering all the other forms Form 6 is only effective you mastered the fundamentals of every form down to second nature If you use it and don’t have every formed mastered down to a T Then you are mediocre Revan did however master all the forms which is why him using from 6 is not a hindrance as you seem to say it is Only few people who used form 6 mastered all the forms Even Exar kun used form 6 and never lost a duel Point is don’t say the form is shit just because the prequel era Jedi wanted to be modern yet didn’t master anything Also form 2 is not designed for defense That’s form 3 that obi won specialized in Form 2 specializes in 1v1 swordplay focusing on footwork and finesse with the blade Don’t get basic facts wrong Also “powerful duelist” You mean best duelist You can be powerful and someone less powerful then you can be a better at a sword Dooku is held at being the best of the order at the Time Because the whole point of dooku is he actually cares about lightsaber combat trying to bring his skill to the level of the sith were to return he be ready to fight them. Blade to blade Where 99% of Jedi didn’t even prepare for blade to blade convey due to the 1000 years of peace with no sith Basically the Jedi didn’t practice for 1000 years in blade to blade combats It’s why dooku lost respect for the Jedi training methods With only councils members dooku considered barely competent The issue if you saying revan isn’t good enough When the whole point of his character is he loses him memories and his training yet relearned everything in such a rate he surpassed the Jedi and sith of his era Also to mention revan never actually lost a 1v1 duel in the old republic Revan was either ambushed outnumbered or betrayed He was described as being the greatest warrior in his age This would include Exar to an extent because Exar died 2 years before Revan was born And was already said to be the most powerful Jedi and sith in generations Exar regardless if you consider when he was alive or his spirit form Revan would be around his level regardless especially since he is stated to be capable of rivaling or being just as powerful as vitaite Yes he never reached said power in life Yet it’s still a indicator of his power With other even other faction in Star Wars outside the Jedi and sith calling revan the best warrior they ever seen And revan beating Malak someone said to be a better swordsman twice through skill and cunning on top of being almost as good in blade to blade Yes I think revan as he stands when he is alive would lose to say Vader or Sidious But he is one of those video game characters like starkiller Where both have the potential to be on the level of their respective emperors get their ass kicked by them and still be admired and seen as potential equals As that’s is where revan ranks accurately I even say a fight between him and star killer is a toss up And even I get starkiller is overrated But people underrate him for the same respect Being a video game character makes people not look at everything
В том то и дело что в группе и при особых обстоятельствах, ситуация схожа с Малоком, правда после Реван ему за то челюсть отбил, и в конце концов уделал.
@@JohnJohn-bz1lq The mask was never his weakness and never been stated as one. people just assume it is. Only another wound in the force can kill him, like meetra surik. Even after his defeat in the game, he manage to put a piece of himself in a Holocron.
The issue with that is forces users in the old republic era don’t qualify as sith or jedi at their most powerful Revan being one of them Even Exar kun someone even Luke after dark empire says is more powerful then anyone he has ever encountered that would include Sidious Revan is stated to be above Exar in force power and potential And Revan is stated could rival or even defeat vitiate even in a weakened state Let alone his prime And Exar vitiate and Revan don’t qualify as true sith at their most powerful but beyond the sith So when people say Sidious is the most powerful sith fine But it doesn’t apply to them at their strongest
Decent, but Dooku and Vader would be extreme difficulty for Revan. And he could not hope to defeat Sheev. Nihilus, on the other hand, would be a walk in the park. And we know for sure how he would fare against Tenebrae, ultimate defeat and imprisoned for 300 years. Exar Kun would be an interesting matchup.
@@JohnnyCheddar Hey, this is some evidences for you ;) Ok so, this is some legends sources Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Source: The New Essential Chronology Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known. Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed. Source: Death Star His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith. Source: Force & Destiny Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side. Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived. Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all! Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005) Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms. ""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."" ""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations." Source : Byss and the Deep Core (So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 million according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child) When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife. To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed) etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
Awesome video for sure, only thing Assage Ventress and Savage Opress were not Sith Lords. Opress wasn’t even an assistant Sith Lord, like he said brother, I’m not like you…..I never was
Fun fact You could debate revan was a Former chosen one of the force. Reasoning is he balanced the sides of the force for 300 years and stated by Kriea herself was Like the Heart of the force. For a Fun Extra fact many try saying Sidious beats Revan cause he was the most powerful sith that ever lived, Revan wasnt JUST A SITH, He was a Champion of the force, this negates that argument The Force lighting Sidious uses in the sequals was actually made by revan its called force storm. PS Vitate Slams Sidious 1V1 He was superior in almost everything besides raw force which he was close behind
I disagree in regards to Lord Scourge and Sidious. We must remember that the former is empowered by Vitiate at that point and has lived for centuries, making even the Dark Council afraid of him. As for Palpatine, he is essentially Vitiate 2.0 and it has been shown that that's more than Revan can handle. Everything else is on point though and I 1000% agree.
Low diff on Sion? Interesting, I would have put a loss for revan there I think you should make a Battle Meditation stat cause a lot of ancient sith lords used it to help secure victories before even stepping on the field
@@florida_man11 Revan is an overrated mid character, Palpatine is the strongest Sith that has ever existed, Vader is also much stronger than Revan, he can only demolish the ancient Sith, who are weaker than the new ones
Well no this is going off legends not canon In canon we have no record of his feats as it’s likely Disney either doesn’t want to use him or he could be set up for a tv show or film
