I live on the south coast. I’ve been all over the country. Far north, far west and Norfolk far east. No problems in my Tesla MY LR. Tesla chargers are everywhere. Now 70 T charging stations are open to non Tesla EVs. I have Octopus Intelligent and that means 0.07p per kWH. Full charge & about 300 miles for under a £5. No servicing no road tax at the moment, no congestion charge until next year & of course ULEZ compliant . Would I have another? You bet I would. I love your shows and podcasts. Watch on RU-vid.
30 seconds into this video you said you would be looking at efficiency but in fact you spent almost the whole time talking about battery sizes and range. And you barely mentioned Kia/Hyundai while you were getting all excited about Porsche and Tesla.
You forgot the Audi A6 e-tron. It has a much more efficient shape than the Q6 e-tron in the video, and it's going to be available for orders soon, if it isn't already. You also failed to mention the BMW i4 which has a much, much, *much* more efficient form factor than the iX SUV. And where's the Model S for all the Europeans that don't drive on the wrong side of the road?...
The VW iD7 is currently very affordable via leasing. Some of the leasing deals are under £300/mth. If I can get the iD7 Tourer on a great deal in 6mths (when my current contract finishes) then that is the family car that we like.
@@ISuperTed Possibly. Certainly true regarding RRP. Look at Stellantis... £47,000 for Astra Estate and you can buy new from a dealer at £10,000+ discount. Exactly why I am leasing at the moment. New and Used prices are all over the place.
That Renault is a nice looking car, plus has a heat pump as standard and 22kW AC charging for when you're out and about up north Scotland or more remote places away from DC rapid chargers. Renault have really upped their game 👌
They certainly have, for me this is the first really tempting Model Y contender, and also has great software by Google. Much cheaper to lease than a Y long range, has more range, and half the price to insure. It’s fantastic really.
I’m sorry, but this is probably one of the worst range videos I’ve ever watched, it’s as if you are just reading stats off the internet and have never actually tested the cars.
I agree there just listing manufacturer range as "facts" like the''re reading from a glossy brochure. Then they dump on two best cars Tesla and Polestar because the manufacturer range is not accurate with the winter range being roughly 100miles less! A simple "which" stile comparison table with actual range you've tested would be more useful and highlight the manufacturer
Not sure if it's the case for the Tesla, but a lot of EV's have active aero for battery cooling. Usually it's a flap that opens when the battery needs cooling causing drag to increase in the process. Changes to the software could reduce the need for battery cooling which would reduce the amount of drag over the journey. That said I'm pretty certain she was supposed to say 'mid-life' update.
Having driven EVs for over 13 years, I concluded long ago that "longest range" is blown out-of-proportion. We have never driven more than 2 to 3 hours or 150 to 200 miles before we need to empty our "tanks." By the time we've done that… the car is charged back up to 80% again, and we keep going. I mean, do gas car drivers who think they need 300, 400, 500 miles of range have titanium bladders?
It's funny... that kinda conversation came up on a Facebook post just yesterday - some anti-EV guy saying, "Yes, but I did a 650 mile journey on one tank of diesel". When someone questioned him about where he went, he said he went (wherever... I can't remember...) to do strawberry picking for the afternoon, then drove home - a 650 miles round-trip. To which someone then said, "So... how long was your car sat doing nothing in the car park?" " 2 hours..." "So, if you had a 350 mile EV, it'd have been plugged in for maybe 45 minutes over those 2 hours, fully charging back up for the return journey home...!" He was strangely quiet after that...!! 🤣
There’s a good reason long range is best- cost. The rip off prices of super fast chargers in the U.K., many charging over 70 pence per kWh compares very unfavourably to the off peak at home charging cost of 7p per kWh so being able to go on long journeys and still charge at home saves a lot of money. Also not having to find chargers, or even bother to plug in when you make that inevitable stop takes away planning and stress. I’ve had Tesla’s for 6 years BTW.
If you are looking at the long range Tesla model3 but don’t mind the older model look out for a long range rear wheel drive. It has the same range as the new and shiny model 3 but at about £15k less money. That’s what we did and we have zero regrets and it’s our first ev.
If you take a combination of range, space for people & luggage, equipment and price then the Renault Scenic e-Tech wins out of all of those options you mentioned
@@tubetop123 suggest doing a search for the Tesla Model S on Autocar , just ticked over 450,000miles. Original battery and motor. Supercharged 3 times every day of its life since 2016. Still have 73% battery SOH and great range .. A leaf on the other hand...
@@tubetop123 And for the bank balance. Home charging on an EV tariff makes an EV a very cheap vehicle to run. Charging away from home on fast chargers, makes EVs more expensive to fuel than an equivalent petrol, sad but true at the moment.
Good video, sadly most of these are either too big or outside the average person’s budget. Still there are signs of progress; the Skoda Enyaq, Renault Scenic and Peugeot e3008 should be relatively affordable lease cars or salary sacrifice cars. I also noticed that there were no Korean or Chinese cars in the video. I drive a Kia EV6 and I have already driven it from Wirral to Brighton and back, then Wirral to London and back fairly painlessly, apart from the cost of Gridserve chargers!
A lot of journos were in America for the latest round of review releases. One of them pointed out to me that the distances are long (I have lived there and know this) and the charging infrastructure is poor, if you do not own a Tesla. So range really matters in the US. In the UK I used to do about 25k miles a year but now do around 8k. When I was doing a lot of mileage it was typically around 230 miles from Worcestershire to Kent. I can not bear to let a car go for long lower than half full and need a stop from time to time so a sub 300 mile total range is no hardship. The two other variables are the investment case for big batteries (poor) and the availability of home charging (variable). Investment in 100 kwh of battery looks like a terrible investment at the moment meaning the battery alone will represent 40-50% of the potential depreciation for the whole car when present Li technologies are superseded in about three years time. However if you live on floor 25 of a high rise building your charging options are more restricted than if you live on a rural farm with home charging; so there may be a case for range in those circumstances.
There's only SWMBO and myself so I'm happy with our April 2023 64kWh Hyundai Kona that I bought last October. Took son in law No 2 to see his father a couple of months ago. Mainly A & B roads with a little dual carriageway and got 5.3 miles per kWh.
Would love a video of the most efficient cars. Which cars do the most with their kWh? Lithium mining has its issues so we should try and use as little as possible.
Exactly right. Efficiency is the most important then range. Having huge batteries to make up for inefficiency just gives you range figures you’ll never achieve, and cost a fortune if you do use public charging. If you don’t get 4 miles/kwh real world in the uk then a 50mpg ice car is cheaper
@@MaticTheProto electricity at home is 8p /kWh but 60p+/kwh away from home. If your ev only gets 3 miles/kwh then that’s 20p/mile which is way more than fuel cost in a 50mpg car
A big battery is the same as a big fuel tank, it is the efficiency that matters. Tesla go for streamlined, the legacy manufacturers are just giving us blunt SUV's.
I think a ev with a claim range of around 250 or more is the sweet spot will do me. Because then you got room for battery degradation, cold months, and manufacturers slight over optimistic range claims but you should expect to have 200ish mile range, which is about far as I would ever like to drive without taking a break. I don’t get people who want 400+ unless you got a job that involves driving your own car a lot, or you not got home charging, maybe
I would want 400 mile range at worst simply because I don't want to stop at charging stations that are off my route. I also make many journeys without having to refuel, so doing this several times is just unnatural and interfering. I won't even start on the horror stories many face trying to get charged.
@@sargfowler9603 let face it if your travelling that far, your normslly using the big roads, were charging station are normally easyier to find. Plus they r normally more reliable. I mean i can see the befits but for the extra cost for long range ev, if u r going on really long road trip, which i maybe do 1 or 2 times a year, id hire another car if it really looked hatd to do in the ev.
In Canada, there are areas where there is about 500km between decent chargers. In between those, there are the occasional 50kw charger so you don't get completely stranded, but those chargers are SLOW.
@@dguy321yes of course if you drive over 200mile regularly, then yes, larger range EV are for you, Id even say if you go over 350mile regular, then the higher cost of these evs you might be better off with a Hybrid for now and a wait a few more years for better range cars, hopefully cheaper longer range cars, faster charging and more charging points installed. But how regular do you do that, for me and its been proven that most driver only drive 30 to 50 miles a day. for the odd road trip i do that the 200 miles would be about 6 or 7 times a year, and then over that, it likely maybe 1 time a year if that, as if it usually over 200miles I go by Train.
I'll be honest I'm surprised efficiency isn't talked about more than outright range. You can shove a massive battery in, but with an inefficient car you're paying more in electricity and the car is heavier and less nice to drive.
Well done Ginny and Nicola ❤ Very interesting to see which EVs are currently available with the longest ranges but they all appear to be much less efficient in colder temperatures.
Yes, because of physics! Batteries perform worse, and drag is higher due to cold dense air. Although to be fair some cope better than others due to heat pumps, energy management and drag coefficients.
The best Tesla alternative now is the Scenic, fantastic car, massive range, heat pump as standard, good price in a fully loaded still Techno trim. No wonder orders are through the roof. EV3 in the U.K. is missing a beat. It’s got no heat pump unless you buy the very expensive top of the range version. It’s also a lot more to lease than a Scenic Techno long range. It’s basically too expensive and I would never buy an EV in the U.K. now without heat pump, having seen what they do having owned a heat pump enabled and heat pump missing Tesla.
My Polestar 2 RWD Standard Range was still giving me over 200 miles on a single charge in the winter. In the summer it was well above 250. Maybe the smaller battery version is a bit more efficient than the Long Range as I’ve never been disappointed with it…?
The lower the charge, the faster it will charge. Example: Tesla Model 3, at 30%, at a Tesla Supercharger, charged to 90% in 15min. I didn't even finish my TV show.
Unfortunately WLTP is not generally achievable, so I feel you shoudl have used actual figures of the cars you have tested. Also ICE cars suffer the same as it is very rare for them to achieve their stated MPG. My Tesla Model 3 RWD so standar range, has a smaller battery but it does fill up quickly. Sometimes too quickly as I have often found a 15 minute stop adds over 40% charge, enough for another 3 hour drive. Problem is that it isn't enough time to sit down and enjoy a coffee when you stop!
Had a Tesla 3 ( now on the second) and are in the under 20 miles a day category. However...............what you jounalists alwas forget is that we go on holiday, see friends needing distance and enjoy an odd weekend away which needs or at least needs thought on distance. Having a 3 AWD LR its never a problem. Recently drove 2,150 miles from the midlands round Ireland and back with ease. Now back to 20 miles a day and under. Thats the reality of ICE and Electric driving for many.
More drivel from this channel, can you get a reviewer thats over 6ft please (im 6ft 2) and middle aged (50's) as ive just had a 48hr test in the Polestar 2 and its so cramped, i cant actually sit in the back seats as the roofline is too low and not much better in the passenger seat, it reminds me of being on an easyjet flight in the front, just so cramped, my wife said it was the most uncomfortable of the 7 cars we recently tested.
Then you own an an EV for 4 years and realise range doesn't matter 99% of the time. Bladder range < EV range. Therefore charging speed is more important.
@1m43s and I quote directly here " within the software update they managed to change the aero" . I am sorry, but who writes this? It feels like a blood clot goes through my brain, just listening to it.
Is it safe to charge 100+KWh batteries 🤔 I know one thing or 2 about Electric Vehicles in fact I ve built my own EV Old Leafs had a 24kwh battery 🔋 taking around 10 hours to charge from a regular socket Imagine charging 4 batteries combined Which house Electrical system handles 43 Hours Charging even a Dedicated Smart Charger 3.3kwh would need close to 30 Hours Not everyone has a new robust Electrical system in fact some houses were built in the 60s
The most important thing is can an EV get to the next charging station. It isn't about how long can my EV drive until battery is ZERO. Tesla's network is the best in the World (currently).
I do less than 20 miles a day but only have to fill my car up once a month ! With the only electric car i could afford I would have to charge 2-3 times a month . 30 mins each time equates to thats nearly 18 hours a year (i don't have a home charger ) compared barley 1 and a half hours filling my hybrid at a petrol pump . You people just don't get it !
No, you don’t get it. I haven’t had to waste any time at all in fuel stations in 3 years. Get home, 30sec to plug in and 30 seconds to unplug…. Do that once a week and that’s nearly 60 seconds a week spent charging - ditch your petrol car - takes far too long to “charge” it….. Oh and my full “tank” costs me £4 ish…… Oh and my company car tax is £15 a month not £400 Oh and it’s quiet and smooth and lovely…… So who doesn’t get it exactly?
Let me give you my real commute that I used to do daily. 200 miles with an LPG fuelled car with a range of 240 miles. That meant that every day, I would have to refuel which was a diversion on the way home for about 300 metres. Queue at the junction to turn into the filling station, fuel, pay and get back en-route. IF the pumps were clear that was about 12 minutes each day or an hour a week fuelling. Take a petrol car with 450 miles range and it's still every second day. Diesel every third day, do the sums. On the other hand, had I had my EV, that would be arrive home, plug in and that's 5 seconds. Same delay in the morning to unplug. 10 seconds per day or if you wish to add up the entire week...less than one minute of MY time lost. Wanna go through it again? Now, if you don't have home charging, then clearly this doesn't work so don't entertain an EV but don't compare EV life with ICE life when they are clearly suited to different scenarios.
Too much focus on unaffordable cars for the masses and big batteries. If a car can deliver 250miles, thats around 5hrs driving in the UK and we should really be stopping gor a break anyhow by then. For me, range is determined by my bladder, not the size of the battery 😂
As I think your podcast has brought up in the past but if not yours then another EV podcast it's not about hauling around massive batteries it's about carrying smaller batteries but with fast charging like the eGMP platform cars for example at 10-80% in 18min. All the ranges at WLTP aren't real world so best check ev-database for real world figures. Also where did you put the BYD Seal that you all liked seems you ignored it completely, not good. Are all these cars for those commuters that drive Lands End to John O'Groats daily non-stop of course?
And 205 miles in winter on a highway. That's the real issue with EVs. Add to this that most EV owners keep their battery 10% - 80% and you have a pitiful 140 mile range in winter.
@@sargfowler9603 more like 250 miles in the worst scenario. Which is plenty. Nobody should be driving that long without taking a break anyway. Current EV ranges are absolutely fine for realistic driving durations. 250 miles is London to Newcastle and 5 hours of driving. Nobody is/should be doing that without breaks.
@@DarrenMansell The thing is, a lot of people don't do these types of journeys up and down motorways. I go across country on A and B roads. I don't normally stop anywhere as it's a 2.5hr drive. There just aren't many chargers at my destination and what ones there are, often are out of order or just 11kw/22kw. Am I supposed to sit there for 2hrs waiting to charge? Or should I replan the journey and take a completely different route because then I'd be able to charge more easily? If EVs are fine at 250mile range, why haven't we had ICE cars with a 5 gallon tank for years? Sorry for the rant, but I like many others, just aren't ready for the change to EVs until charging infrastructure and batteries catch up.
Should you not be looking at the energy triangle I.e. range, battery size then miles per KWh. So if range and economy is up it's good a inverted triangle but if to get their it's by a mega battery and the miles per KWh is below 4. then you are just paying for range at the charging point like big fat SUV's with their mega tanks of dinosaur juice. So a better matrix would be cost per mile + charging speed over a set distance of maybe 600 miles so no EV's can achieve the distance in one hit (Bjon Nyland 1000 Km challenge)
Apart from giving viewers a quick look at how certain models look, this was not a very good overview. Reading out Manufaturers' WLTP figures is mostly pie in the sky. I thought this would have been based on your real world testing which is often far less and for some models far, FAR less. Incredibly disappointing that bigger and bigger batteries are being put in EVs (they get heavier and less efficient as a result!), instead of improving motor and electronic efficiencies. Cars like the BMW iX are a disgrace compared to the pioneering i3 from over 10 years ago.. Fat, bloated ,overpriced and inefficient!
STOP using the claimed ranges and use REAL range information. Summer a 50 kwh car could do 200 to 220 miles and in winter 150 miles but we are told to keep the battery between 20 and 80% so only using 60% of the battery capacity. Now ranges are 120 to 132 summer and 90 in winter. I often fill my car up with petrol and fill it back up at half empty because I like dragging the weight of all that fuel around NOT !
EV propaganda . And just how affordable are these cars? EVs suitable entirely as fleet cars but hardly for the private buyer. Why isn’t infrastructure ever discussed, if anything it has not improved. Hybrid offers the best way forward for now at any rate.
I just came back from Las Vegas. Everyday, the temperature was constantly very hot. I know LV is a desert, but when I was there many years, ago, it was not this hot. Climate has 100% changed, there's no question. We can argue about it all we want, but I'm sure we can agree the hotter climate is due to humans using fossil fuels. Americans are feeling this heat everyday, I cannot imagine what it will be 10 years later. Americans need to wake up and stop using so much fossil fuel. Switch to solar power. They certainly have no shortage of sunshine. I feel for our great grandchildren.
Everyone should boycott Tesla. The owner believes in autocratic rule and being able to fire anyone who want workers rights. Buy something else electric instead
According to the CEO of Apple, one of the biggest reasons that Apple products are made in China is productivity. Not cheap wages or autocratic rule. It's clear to the world that China makes almost everything. Elon has, via tuff love, brought manufacturing back to America. Agreed he is not very likable. But being soft and lazy at work does not work with mass production manufacturing, you need to be on your "A game" to compete. Around the world in 2024 there is a recession. Thousands of people out of work at VW, Nissan, GM, Ford & Stellantis. Thousands out of work in Software and Computing. Only Space X, Boring, Tesla and X are predicting growth. Without manufacturing America and Europe will collapse and China will rule. If that happens forget equal rights or respectable working conditions. As painful and annoying as it is... Elon is actually dragging America back into the game.
@@mikadavies660 you drank Musks KOOL aid. Tesla is not on track for sales growth this year, X ad revenue dropped massively since Musk took over. Boring is a tiny business. Overall "Musk bringing back manufacturing" with 3 sites in the US, is a blip compared to the manufacturing landscape that has shown growth.
A house doesn't have wheels, not a direct comparison but lets just say that an EV has a 100kWh battery. A house might consume 10kWh per day (Which is about the UK average apparently). So you might conclude that the EV has taken the power of 10 houses. Ok, lets continue... A gallon of petrol has about 50kWh energy so 2 gallons worth is the same power requirement as that one EV or 10 houses. Those 2 gallons move that petrol car how far? 60 miles? 70? 80 maybe in a highly efficient small shitcan. The same 100kWh (equivalent energy of 2 gallons) will move an EV 360 to 400 miles. Care to continue with this line about energy use and efficiency?
VW have got better. What a joke. Old fashioned. Absolutely zero innovation and style. They’ve banged on and on and on with a model that consumers just don’t want anymore thinking they can satisfy customers by serving up the same old tripe. Even the Polestar 2 (Geely Chinese) has really had its day. It’s already been superseded by models such as Zeekr and Link and Co. I’m beginning to think that Electryfying has fallen into the same bucket the Legacy auto makers are in. Little vision, innovation etc. A complete lack of understanding as to what consumers needs and desires are.
