@Welcome to greenqua's glen ~ REPORTED;- ''Late in the hearing, in fact, an exasperated Judge Martin warned that a jury may be hard-pressed to convict Carpenter because of what he called "sloppy work" by police: mishandling, misplacing and destroying evidence, including the crucial speck of tissue itself'. ~ Therefore you're Right about the tampering!! ~ www.phoenixnewtimes.com/film/the-bob-crane-murder-case-part-three-6425779
Scottsdale police had handled one murder in the 5 years prior to the Crane murder. They simply weren't experienced or trained enough to handle a murder investigation of this scale. Crane's son said that when he came to the crime scene people were walking in and out/much evidence had been contaminated etc
The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that.
Apparently when Carpenter flew back to LA after Crane's murder he stayed at Richard Dawson's home and that's where the detectives reached him. It was well known that Dawson and Crane did not like each other but I don't know if he was somehow involved in this.
@@bufnyfan1Richard Dawson didn't have any part of that. Mainly because I was a friend of his in person, on line and over the phone. He took no part in it he was even shocked that someone murdered him.. Sadly I don't have the ability to go back and find the message is he and I sent back years ago. Richard was very loving he wouldn't have gone out of his way to hurt Crane even though they didn't get along like buddies.
Exactly! You know that if it wasn't too degraded we could probably figure out who had blood spot belongs to... But seeing as to how they managed to not get it done faster than this has come to the point where it's probably going to be almost impossible.
Exactly, The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1
Would someone please explain to me how a blood sample from another man, and a partial profile sample too degraded to reach any conclusions vindicates John Carpenter? It simply shows that there are two unidentified blood samples - one of a different man and one unable to be identified. That does not mean the degraded sample is not Bob Crane's, does it? My understanding is that the results simply don't show 'conclusively' that the blood belonged to Bob Crane.
The DNA test would prove guilt, but it wouldn't prove innocence. It was a rental car and the blood could have come from a rental car worker or a customers. People cut themselves all the time.
You don't have to prove innocence, and even if it was bob's he probably had been in that car at some time. no physical evidence and a weak motive they did not even have a good time of death you could not even convict colonel Klink if he was hanging around that town.
"You are discounting the DNA evidence?" No, the DNA evidence was inconclusive. One DNA profile was too degraded to be useful, so that could be Bob Cranes DNA. We will never know.
The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1
@@georgfriedrichhandel4390 Yeah, you're right, there was overwhelming circumstantial evidence but with out modern forensics or enough physical evidence at the crime scene, there could be doubt, not much but enough. No doubt Carpenter was guilty though. The Bob Crane biopic, Auto Focus comes right out identifies him as the killer.
@@Chasstful I have seen that movie and I would recommend that you take it with a grain of salt. It was based too much on Robert (Zodiac) Graysmith's book "The Murder of Bob Crane" which was written before Carpenter's trial. Carpenter was not innocent; at best he could have been tried as an accessory. But we cannot say with certainty that he was the murderer.
They misstated it. The degraded sample was not good enough to create enough data points to use against any DNA database and get an exact match. However, there are many data points in a DNA sample, and they all must match the person in question. If any single data point does not match, then it's not that person. The degraded DNA's few available data points were enough to say it was not from Crane. So neither sample matched Crane, but only one sample can be used in the future to match to someone, while the other sample cannot be used for finding an exact match.
I lost a classmate decades ago and his murderer was never found,all I can say is that whoever gets away with this on earth will have to answer to the "Boss" upstairs one day.
Yes the same thing I was thinking case hasn't changed dna doesn't show if he did or not do it still don't know who it belongs to so how can they this is major news SMH 😒
I think because the entire case rested on that being Bob Crane's DNA without that there is literally no evidence available that he killed him do I think he killed him it was either him or his soon-to-be ex-wife
@@rickallen6378we have no idea. Seeing as how they can't go test that extra DNA spot because it's too degraded it'll be most likely impossible (I hope it wouldn't be impossible but it might be) It's either John Carpenter or the soon-to-be ex-wife. That is my gas and that's what everyone else seems to be sticking with
First off the Scottsdale PD trampled all over the crime scene with people coming in and out for hours, any evidence there would of been completely contaminated.
Yep they fked up ( they weren't even in surgical like outfits either from what it looked like in the videos that I've seen.) I mean if they didn't contaminate everything we would have found out sooner and this wouldn't have happened
This is a mystery that probably will never be solved. I can remember this from 1978. I remember that channel 5 here in NYC (known as WNEW back then) was broadcasting an episode of Hogan's Heroes when the news broke of Bob Crane's death. I pray for Bob Crane's family. Hopefully, one day, his son will get closure on this and have peace.
@@Chasstful With respect, we don't know that. I'm sure Carpenter was involved in some way but was he the killer? There is no hard evidence linking him to this murder.
@@georgfriedrichhandel4390 the only reason there is no "hard evidence" is that the evidence was contaminated by the Scottsdale police who were no better than "Keystone Cops". In addition, there was no such thing as DNA testing in 1978 which would likely have solved this case quickly
@@Chasstful Its easy to get tunnel visioned with circumstantial evidence pointing to one candidate as top suspect. Remember, Arthur Leigh Allen was long thought to be the Zodiac Killer only to much later be ruled out despite strong circumstantial evidence pointing otherwise. Without physical evidence linking the suspect to the crimes, no one can know for certain.
DNA is solving cases over 50 years old everyday. The antiquated dna process or non existent DNA sequencing from your era is old and outdated, DNA today is amazing, they can get a profile just from touch DNA they dont ever need blood any more... example is the boy in the box case from Pennsylvania solved this year.
@@taroman7100 Yes, but he was intending to turn his life around, showing that he knew his behaviors were dangerous and immoral. He wasn't given the chance to reform his behaviors. We all make mistakes, and Bob finally saw his and wanted to correct himself. I think that says a lot.
Great job John Hook. I was an editor at Ch.10 Fox in Phx then ran Master Control and camera at KTVU in Oakland, so did a couple of double takes during this piece. Will be listening to C2Coast AM tonight.
Just seen this. Bob did some sordid things but didn't physically hurt anyone . I remember this on the news when I was visiting the States from the UK ,totally couldn't believe it. So sad for the family.
Bob may not have physically hurt anyone, but his activities may have threatened the reputation or livelihood of some of the people he was carrying on with. He had pornographic tapes that, if fallen into the wrong hands, could have been very harmful to someone, maybe more than one participant. There may have been a desperate attempt to retrieve one or more of those tapes. And when that failed, whoever was involved took it out on Bob. OR -- and this cannot be presently ruled out -- his second wife may have had designs on Bob's entire estate which she would have gotten with his death, but NOT with a divorce. She may have been greedy. Did any of those investigators bother to thoroughly check her out -- find out her background, talk to anyone who knew her well -- get some idea of her character? Did they even bother to talk to HER, directly, and get a feel for whether or not she would be truthful with them or lie to them, and observe her body language and other telltale clues she may have given them? What was her emotional state upon learning of Bob's death? These were all things they should have looked into, which may have been quite revealing, had they bothered. Incompetent police work.
I am very interested in this case as Hogan Heroes is one of my most fav TV show, and once I have heard that Bob Crane (Hogan) was murdered, I grew very interested in this, and as a former detective, I am giving some pointer for this case. From the crime scene. Crane's room was unlocked, no forced entry. Which suggest either Crane let the person in, or the person have a keys Crane was killed when he was in his bed and without defensive wound, suggested that Crane trusted the person who killed him. Crane had sex just prior to his death, as white flaky substance was found on his thigh Crane was a voyeur, and display voyeurism behaviour and one of his album was missing, suggesting that whoever killed Crane, knows his Voyeurism habits. Crane was killed by 2 blows to his head with a blunt object, strong enough to create irreparable brain damage. Suggesting it is more likely the prep is a male than female. Crane was struck twice and have a video cord wrap around his neck with deep in print (IIRC it was 3mm deep, i could be wrong), which suggest overkill and suggest the reason for murder is personal. POI I have identified 1.) John Carpenter - Crane friend and wingman in their sexual conquest. Motive is somehow weak, not really buy into the "friendship-turn-sour" murder motive. However, he knows his voyeurism and know where he keep their trophy and this also comes with a suspicious circumstance (Such as the murder weapon is likely camera equipment, and his hired car have some unknown blood stain as well as) 2.) Patricia Annette Olson - Crane second soon to be ex-wife and her son is the sole beneficiary of Crane's estate, have a bad divorce from Crane, she is still married to Crane, motive is high (financial) however, there are alibi issue as she called Crane 4 hours prior to that night from Washington and there are no record of her flying into Arizona. Also, the method of death require a very durable force, not particularly point to being a woman. 3.) Victoria Ann Berry - Crane co-star and rumoured to be involved romantically with Crane, Berry is also the one that found Crane's body. Unknown motive, possible a sexual encounter gone bad (Crane had sex just prior to being murdered). Berry also have a few circumstantial evidence pointing toward her, the way she navigate the room after no one is answering the door as well as the nature of her visit.
I agree ,I still think Carpenter did it .He was upset the Crane was letting him go.You could see the rage in the way Crane was murdered. This doesnot prove he was innocent
When I want to know is how the hell did the blood get in the car in the first place. I saw a picture several years ago where there was 2 long blood spots on the seat of the car ( both of which were parallel. Which supposedly is how he was murdered from a tripod. Tripod legs have bars coming from the top to the bottom and they are in a parallel line if they are folded together. I don't know where that picture went but where ever it went that must be it.
@Iranian Bob And the killer who was indoors in the Crane killing was Victoria Berry. She "discovered" the body. Just happened to be tip-toeing into Bob's bedroom, even though they were "platonic friends" according to her.
@Matt Nicholson Learn to spell, and we might take you seriously. Carpenter did not do it. Victoria Berry did...she went walking through his apartment, called out his name and continued to walk into his bedroom. And then right up to the bed. She said so herself. I know of no woman short of Wonder Woman who would have the guts to go tromping through a guy's apartment in the dark, let alone his bedroom. How gullible can you get?
@Stefano Dawg I believe there were something like 7 different parts of the interior of the car that had blood. That is one hell of a coincidence that a good friend of a murder victim would rent a car with the number of blood spots inside it.
Exactly, The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that. 1
That's not unusual for a narcissist with a personality disorder! They generally swing both ways and are chronic stalkers often trimming hair beards amongst other acts having used skeleton keys to let themselves in, while the unsuspecting victim sleeps.
This is my theory if the blood in the car is not Bob Crane's. The step-mother and Carpenter worked together and hired a killer who Carpenter drove away in the rental car. The blood, if it isn't Crane's, is the killer's who was injured in the process. Carpenter and Crane's wife were accessories at worst. I'm basing this on the fact that nothing can be conclusively drawn from the blood sample, and the two suspects, Carpenter and Sigrid, have both since died.
Bull. I'll go to my grave believing that John carpenter did it. This man said one of the blood samples was too degradatted to have a conclusive answer.
Could Carpenter have paid someone else to do the deed? And it's that persons DNA they found in Carpenters rental car, I'll always believe Carpenter either did it or paid someone to do it, Carpenter was guilty!
In the pre-DNA era, of 1979, police collected blood/tissue samples within the confines of the technology of the time. If they had DNA they would most likely have Quality Controls that were different.
Well they had no idea what to do saying as to how they only had one incident like this beforehand they didn't know how to go through something this big. They should have called other people to come take a look to at the same time.
I don't know if Bob Cranes' children will ever see this comment ( I really hope they do)..my heart goes out to you..I absolutely love watching hogans heroes mr Crane looked like he was a really awesome dad! In my heart of hearts John Carpenter did it.
The blood evidence does NOT vindicate John. There are 2samples. One has a doner match. One doesn't. They tested the blood samples back in 78 for blood type. And what do you know? There was a match to Bob crane. Now, there's still a 50/50 chance that bob is still the second doner. To say this vindicated John, just says that you're a simpleton.
The murderer could've been any of the womens husband or boyfriend or a very angry woman. When someone feels so much hatred , he or she is capable of anything.
I don't get why the medical examiner, insisted on coming in and examining Bob instead of protecting the body and evidence to examine at Morgue. Seamen was noticed in Bob's thigh. Detective wanted that seabed and tested. Medical examiner shrugged it off. Doesn't a detective out rank an m.e?
That is not true. What happened is that in 1990, when the DA ordered this case reopened, the police found a photograph allegedly containing the blood sample found in Carpenter's rental car. Since the police no longer had the original sample, they resorted to showing the photo to various forensic pathologists to see if they believed the sample in the photo could contain blood tissue. One pathologist stated that the sample in the photo might even contain brain tissue. It was on the strength of that opinion that the police arrested Carpenter.
Of course the cop is like "Nope, no chance im wrong." As if thousands of innocent people haven't been wrongfully convicted because of a stubborn cop with tunnel vision.
As an RN and a BIOLOGY STUDENT majoring in epidemiology and serology I can tell you that BECAUSE you do not have a CONCLUSIVE RESULT YOU HAVE NOT EXCLUDED ANY ONE INCLUDING CARPENTER. Mr Carpenter continues to be the target of focus for the public. And remember, if anyone involved has had an organ donation of various types particularly kidney/liver, their blood typing/serology, will not match the blood type serology of their organs. And I don’t buy the woman idea. His wife was the only other suspect and the lawyer is still tying to get his client off from the grave. When there is not enough blood to identify the person you can’t conclude a person was not there based on that specimen.
I know it's unsatisfying, but still no conclusive evidence has yet been presented that John Carpenter was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So the jury indeed did the right thing.
At 2:20 Carpenter’s attorney states he took an objective view of the evidence... A defence lawyer taking an objective view? I’ve got to find a priest to administer the last rights to the truth.
There was some thing incriminating in the stolen photo album. The chord around his neck was severing ties. I think bob told him he was cutting ties with him ( Carpenter ) & he felt used.
Look at how he was killed. He's been chocked out with a cord then bludgeoned. Yikes. Doesn't that say two people? One choking him with the cord and the other hitting him. Who did what? Why would she strangle him? I could see him strangling bob for who knows why - maybe after a fight ensues and then the woman whacks with the tripod..? I haven't reviewed any evidence....it just all sounds suspicious and a total act of sudden rage or something...
What if Bob Crane had a woman he met near his apartment in Scottsdale, invited her to come back to his place got involved and she was a married woman...married to a police officer or detective and that officer or detective killed Crane for having sex with his wife and filming her and Bob and then tried to frame Carpenter knowing he hung around Bob Crane but didn't think about DNA testing seeing it was in it's infancy but when DNA started to be taken in account someone protecting that officer or detective in the department on purpose lost, destroyed or contaminated blood evidence keeping this an unsolved case till people decide to give up and blood evidence slowly degrade, and that might also explain where the photo album went missing since the police first showed up took it placed it in the trunk of one of their squad cars to hide the officer or detectives wife being in some of the photo's in the album if that not being the case...then I say carpenter is guilty.
That's so could be your pretty smart that sounds like something that could be true it had to be because of a sex tape picture of some sort and sorry but I just can't go around and film and take pictures of women and think it's ok but then again didn't Carpenter do the same shit why didn't anyone bash his brains in unless crane was doing something else with the pics maybe selling them and Carpenter got wind of it and he got mad because men would pay a lot for a celebritys naked pic or he was with some one if there pic would have got out to the public would have ruined them idk you're s sounds better lol
I don't know what the little picture is that you put it might be an eyelash but I was trying to rub it away from my screen and I was duped you put that there on purpose haha that was funny I got duped.....lol.... I thought it was a hair and I was trying to blow it away.....lol
I have come upon this by chance. I never knew this happened to this famous actor. I hope some clever person will resolve this for the sake of his family.
There is a photograph of a small amount of material that appears consistent with brain matter in the Carpenter car that was not collected by the incompetent police.
So is it John's "touch DNA" mixed with Bob's (unknown DNA)? I heard that was a new car? Wouldnt the rental company clean any bloodstains or note them on the pre rental inspection? I still think Crappie did it :&)
I always hate it when people make ignorant comments like this. I see it on cop shows all the time - Oh, she's a woman, there's no way they would have the strength to pick up a baseball bat or a pipe. It's ridiculous! It doesn't take strength to pick up a tripod and bash someone's head in. Especially someone who was sleeping.
The "Chain of Evidence" was broken....the car was found in New Mexico??? How many people were in that vehicle since this murder? How many other people bled in that vehicle? How many times was it cleaned since the murder? Because the evidence wasn't preserved properly, how can you put any weight on it?
Exactly! The DNA reveal DOES NOT prove Carpenter's innocence, far from it. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Carpenter, the prosecution should've gone forward with that.
Just because there were other DNA profiles in Carpenter's car doesn't mean that he didn't kill Bob Crane. Maybe he just didn't track into DNA from the crime scene into his car. Also, the police weren't looking for DNA. They just found a few blood spots, which could have come from another event.
Sorry if I had a rental car and I bleed all over it trust me I would have cleaned it up that's nasty people could get aids from that I could never kill I don't like blood and it's to much work lol lol
Blood was probably from the tripod he took from the scene and threw on the seat next to him as he left and drove away. Close-up photo of one blood deposit looks like it was slung on there from a moving object.
What was the motive? Did Crane owe him money? Did they have a night of homosexual activity, Crane said no to anymore and Carpenter became jealous building slowly to the eventual end?
And what about the defendant who has had his life and reputation ruined and slandered??? All of these people have slandered this man on public TV(not just the police). This man could have easily died just from complications from STRESS!!! Do the police and prosecutng attorney really give a shit??? I think not!!!
I do believe it was a woman. The 2nd wife. I have no doubts. When someone is angry enough, they have strength unknown to them. It is very possible she bashed his skull in.
It's TWO women. One strangled him with the cord the other beat him with the tripod. They prob were gonna kill John too but he was late that night...maybe not. Maybe it was just meant for crane. They were probably after a tape. John showed up eventually before 4, found bob and ran off. He didn't admit to being there cuz it's place ONLY him at the scene of a murder. I don't think he did it - they a good thing going on. If he found the body, grabbed his head...there you go with the blood in the car. It's actually very easy to see imo... They prob all had sex, he went to bed - they went looking for the tape, he got up and shit got out of hand and they ended up killing him. With the strangling and bludgeoning - police should have looked for women he knew that showed up for work with a black eye the next day.
I was wondering if John Carpenter killed Bob Crane because he refused his advances. The cord wrapped tightly around Bob's neck could indicate some type of S/M game gone wrong?? The police noticed semen on Bob's thigh but the medical doctor dismissed the need to collect the evidence. I do believe John Carpenter did commit this unspeakable crime. The last theory I have is someone knew about that one photo album and argued with Bob about it and then killed him ( and if that's the case,then perhaps the semen was Bob's.
But who does the degraded sample belong to? This is still inconclusive...it only rules out one person, but the 2nd profile we still don't know...we only know that one of two profiles don't match...granted, that's more than we had before, but still inconclusive...
So, the jury thinks that John Carpenter did it, but they acquitted him. I expect police to be that immovable, but the juror? Kudos to Bob Crane’s son. Also, the degraded sample can be redone by a better lab. Also, y not send it to an ancestry company. Yes, kind of expensive, but……
This is really bad. I was hoping finally there was a closing to this case. I think it should be someone that didn't like the serie that he was working on. But there are more people working on the same series' Stalag XIii. RIP. We still watch this program. Very funny always. We still miss you and every one on the series. See you all in heaven. Amen
