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Review and Teardown of a 1500W CNSWIPower Pure Sine Inverter 

Kerry Wong
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I did a detailed review/testing and teardown of a 1500W CNSWIPower Pure Sine Inverter in this video. Although it didn't quite deliver the rated maximum power (only able to handle 1300 Watts or so, according to the manufacturer, this is adjustable via an internal trimpot which I did not get to test), it does have excellent conversion efficiency.
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@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog Месяц назад
Please turn off "Stable Volume" in the video playback setting (the first menu item after clicking the gear icon) as for some reason, this new RU-vid playback feature made the video much noisier than usual.
@KR1IS
@KR1IS 2 года назад
It's awesome to see people like you that do an in-depth specs as well as performance test without any bias
@bbcellular
@bbcellular Год назад
Great video! I wonder if the efficiency would have been higher on the top end if you could have held better voltage with a better battery setup?
@joea3728
@joea3728 3 года назад
On The Max wattage test, The input voltage dropped below 11 V. The Low input voltage preventing you from getting the max output wattage. I suspect a problem with the input cables, or the battery pack that you're using. You need to redo your test.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
The low voltage cutoff is at least a volt lower than what's there at this load though. The voltage drop unfortunately isn't entirely from the battery pack (just did another test and at the battery terminal I was still getting around 12V). So this is more or less the real world operation condition. What I plan to do next is as what the manufacturer suggested, try adjusting the trimpot and see if I can make the overload protection kicking in later...
@740GLE
@740GLE 3 года назад
So you’re trusting the voltage displays on the inverter? Sounds like you should verify the voltage right at the inverter terminals with another meter. Also knowing the battery bank started at 14v and quickly dropped (per the inverter display) to 11v during the test (well less than your claimed 150amp output), this makes me question your DIY battery bank. Thanks for the video though
@joea3728
@joea3728 3 года назад
@@740GLE I said the voltage was below 11V. The actual voltage could not be determined because the refresh rate of the meter is to slow. It only indicates a voltage drop, not the actual voltage. For that, an oscilloscope needs to be used. The cause of the Voltage drop is also indeterminate. It could be the battery pack, the connecting wires or the unit itself. Since none of these points were measured, we just don't know the complete picture. That is why I think the tests should be redone.
@740GLE
@740GLE 3 года назад
@@joea3728 my comment was directed at Kerry, sorry for the confusion. I do agree, it was a nice test, I think showed the limitation of the battery not the inverter. If the input voltage stayed around 12.5-13v (measured at the terminals) and then shut off at 1300w then I’d be more concerned the inverter rating is over ambitious. I wonder if a nice set of 2/0 leads could have solved the input voltage issues.
@GoingOffGrid101
@GoingOffGrid101 3 года назад
nice review! I have the 2000w and was impressed with it so far.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Glad to hear!
@davebruessow6842
@davebruessow6842 11 дней назад
Comprehensive and relevant testing of this inverter. I wish I could see the same tests on their bigger inverters (with the output screw terminals). I think you should be in charge of the design team for these inverters (LOL). Thank you very much for sharing...
@howardescoffery4950
@howardescoffery4950 3 года назад
Man them amps must be brutal on the batteries now I remember why I went 48v. My brother you never did check the input on the batteries I am willing to bet you were drawing more than 1500w of power from the batteries to produce that 1300w not a bad inverter at all and very good video presentation.
@RGMadu
@RGMadu 3 года назад
The board pointed at 26:00 is *not* the main controller (the beeper board is the main board, more on the end and bonus), surprisingly, it is just the S-PWM controller, the cristal there is just to ensure precision to the 60hz. The "custom chip" is just a PIC16F628 wide body with appropriately program inside to generate sinusoidal wave through PWM. The other two chips are id7s625 (iDriver's version of ir2110, it's a High/Low side driver, uses a isolated power supply (one of these rised board with a mosfet 33:40) to drive the gate of the igbt with 15v. Together they make a Module called Egs002 spwm generator. The board with a mosfet 33:40 is an internal power supply. It provides 5v for the other 2 boards, 13v for the low voltage mosfet and 15v isolated (non-shared negative) for the igbt's The last board 33:30 is the main board: where the beeps come from, *is not just the beeper*, its where all measurements are processed. Uses a PIC16f648 with no external oscillator, it drives the low voltage mosfets, turn on or off the spwm board via optocouplers, and do all over and under voltage protections. Bonus: those 85GT33sw are not igbt's, they are N-channel *mosfets* rating 85A and 330Vds, n-type like those igbts neighbor. Steangely the manufacturer chose one side of the H-bridge to use mosfets and the other side to use igbts. Since only one side do the PWM, the other side just turns "On" on the opposite polarity, so maybe to reduce cost to use a high speed component just to turn on and off at 60hz.
@WindsorSchmidt
@WindsorSchmidt 3 года назад
Hi Rafael, can you describe the circuit connected to the remote control port? I'm trying to interface it with a microcontroller, but cannot find any relevant documentation.
@RGMadu
@RGMadu 3 года назад
@@WindsorSchmidt Hi, I don't have a remote switch to say for sure, but I believe that is just wirings, no circuitry. My inverter does not have a remote but on the board still the KK conector that says 'vin' 'vout' 'fault' and 'gnd'. I guess that vin and out goes to the switch and the fault goes to a LED with a resistor to the ground. If you have a image of the board we can check together.
@WindsorSchmidt
@WindsorSchmidt 3 года назад
@@RGMadu Thanks. I don't have the remote control module, but made the same guess about the wiring. Now I have more confidence with your description of the connector. Tomorrow I will have the inverter on the bench to take photos and experiment; reply to follow!
@RGMadu
@RGMadu 3 года назад
@@WindsorSchmidt Ah great! I never analyzed the remote connector of my invereter because I never planned to use. I opened it to fix, burned due a incoming mains to its output (yeah, mains entered its Output) and burned all power related semiconductores, including the low voltage ones.
@WindsorSchmidt
@WindsorSchmidt 3 года назад
@@RGMadu Oh wow, that sucks! Sounds like a time-consuming repair job.
@Ian-pe9rj
@Ian-pe9rj 3 года назад
I never understood why companies made 120V split phase inverters, I’m glad to finally see one that’s made properly!
@randylenart9674
@randylenart9674 15 дней назад
Have been looking for a good review of this inverter thank you
@Ahmadnaweed786
@Ahmadnaweed786 3 года назад
The small chip on the power supply module is a very popular one, I don't know why you can't find information for it. It's uc3438 manufacturered by TI
@GapRecordingsNamibia
@GapRecordingsNamibia 2 года назад
Hi, My guess would be the waveform deformation on startup of the grinder is a direct result of those small transformers or maybe the choke saturating under a heavy transient load......
@workingguy-OU812
@workingguy-OU812 Месяц назад
Here's the crazy thing - the modern version of this inverter no longer has a switch that can shut it off. It's still marked On/Off, but it's a rocker switch (looks the same as the one you have) that only allows the unit to be turned on, then it springs back to the 'Off' position without turning the inverter off. Both the unit and the remote only have the 'On' function.
@alanbeasy1775
@alanbeasy1775 7 месяцев назад
As others have mentioned, this was a very poor test of the wattage capacity. The voltage input reached minimum and that is what caused the cut out. The DC AH supply needs to be sufficient to prevent the supply voltage dropping. Then you will be able to test the actual maximum wattage out.
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 Год назад
Thank you very much friend, now i know to stay away from CNSWIPOWER inverters,since they on purpose sanded off the label on the control chip,and that is what kills most inverters, and then no one can repair them, what a shame! i have 2 others here with unmarked ICs also, both broken at the control board, but i am now modding them to use the good and very cheap EGS002 board for the 2nd stage,the 220VAC, and also the SG2535+LM358 board for the first stage( the 380 VDC),these are only 2 dollars each, for the time being i am also using a EG1000W board,the 3000W version Now i am looking for an inverter that uses those boards. Do a test of an inverter that uses those modules..
@WarthogARJ
@WarthogARJ 11 месяцев назад
Thanks: very helpful teardown. I've watched/read your other related work, it's excellent too. One question/comment overall, I don't think you discussed it. It seems that an American resident with 110V AC and 12V AC automotive is being hindered by the low voltage requiring much bigger currents than from a European POV: 230/240V AC. Did you consider using a 230/240V AC output inverter, and then just using a transformer? You have an extra issue with frequency though, if you use a 50Hz system though. But maybe it's not such a big deal with what you need to power? The other issue is getting away from 12V DC, and going to 24V or ideally 48V. But that needs a different alternator.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 11 месяцев назад
Yes, if you need more than 500W, it would be better to use a 24V or even 48V inverter. The output voltage (110 vs 240) shouldn't be an issue. The reason I tested a 12V inverter is, like you said, it is the most convenient voltage and can be easily powered by a car battery.
@pauludrea4082
@pauludrea4082 2 года назад
Hello Kerry, excellent review and explanation on how they work. I wonder how difficult would be to modify such inverter to work at higher DC input voltage and deliver 110 VAC. I have a battery pack with 220 VDC to which I intend to connect a pure sine inverter. Any thoughts about the extend of modifications?
@proengineering661
@proengineering661 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing....your video is very impressive...looks like you have a real test lab at your disposal.....with reviews like this I prefer to see the unit's performance compared against the manufacturer's guaranteed performance specifications...usually listed in the manual..also, I suggest using your power harmonics analyzer to measure the THD instead of saying "the waveform looks pretty good"...that is very subjective...does the unit's THD remain in spec. NL to FL or not...another small point..... besides frequency I would think you would check the unit's output voltage regulation NL to FL (i.e. 120 V plus/minus 5%)....that is pretty important spec. for inverter users...at 1300W it was only supplying 108V....that is 10% below nominal 120V which is not acceptable....especially if the input voltage is within the mfg. spec.........furthermore when you connected the neutral to ground it didn't appear as though the unit was grounded (earthed)...so this test is incomplete and also dangerous IMO since if there was potential on the neutral you would have energized the metal case of the inverter.....do you know if this inverter is US UL or ETL approved and registered? that is very important...I look forward to more or your inverter reviews....thx!
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Unfortunately I don't believe this inverter is either UL or ETL approved.
@AlexA-pc7hy
@AlexA-pc7hy Год назад
Good review. A question remains about the temperature and cooling performance. I've got a similar 1000W inverter. When the load is close to maximum, the fan starts immediately, as we can see in this video as well. But when it runs at, for example, 1/2 power, in course of time the case becomes really hot (about 70-75 °C), and the fan still doesn't start. I wonder whether it's normal for these inverters. Anyway, it is not good.
@AlexA-pc7hy
@AlexA-pc7hy Год назад
But this can be fixed by replacing a thermostat that controls the fan with another with lower switching temperature.
@musicacacique3411
@musicacacique3411 Год назад
Where Ca I get the manual ? Input over-voltage shutdown ? and Input under-voltage shutdown ? Thanks anticipate for any help.
@patrickmclaughlin6013
@patrickmclaughlin6013 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing this. Looks like a well made inverter at a low cost.
@sergiomomesso1590
@sergiomomesso1590 9 месяцев назад
Wow your review! Excellent! 👌
@pritambissonauth2181
@pritambissonauth2181 3 года назад
Nice video very informative, please make more Teardown videos on inverters. Keep it up. I was a bit confused when @30:28 you said "600 Watts" for the fast diodes, obviously a slip of tongue. I was reassured when I went to your website though. Thanks
@WallStreet749
@WallStreet749 3 года назад
How does this inverter compare to the Reliable so glad I ran across your video. I have been shopping inverters and have the Reliable and the CNS in my shopping cart. I just need to figure out which one is better quality. Which one would you recommend?
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
There quality looked similar. Personally, I like this one given it's higher efficiency.
@kipdennis3796
@kipdennis3796 2 года назад
Hey tell me how I'll adjust the trippot so i can get full 1500w,i have same inverter but cuts off at same 1300w
@gayanx86
@gayanx86 3 года назад
My 230v Epever off-grid inverter shows 115V between Neutral and Earth and 115V between Live and Earth. How should I hook this up to my ATS, can I short N and E ?
@citizengkar7824
@citizengkar7824 2 года назад
Thx, for this comprehensive video. I have been on the lookout, for a decent, small-form inverter, for my portable solar backup power supply .Given your -& other RU-vidrs- positive review, I believe I will go with the 2000W version, over the Reliable one. I do find it interesting that someone with your electronics knowledge, & experience, is unable to resource information on certain ICs, etc.. Do you think that China is deliberately innovating {or misrepresenting their IDs} components, with a view of preventing anyone else reverse engineering their circuitry? If so; somewhat ironic!
@KR1IS
@KR1IS 2 года назад
What concerns me is the DC voltage SAG may have tripped it
@BLACKMINER73
@BLACKMINER73 3 года назад
Thanks for the info.
@largepimping
@largepimping 3 года назад
I'm surprised you didn't have more of a reaction to the doubled-up capacitors at 33:03 - let's just say that they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory there. Also, at the same timestamp, that's a "Songcon" cap - not exactly Nippon Chemicon like the others you mentioned a few seconds later around 35:36. Having said all that... it's only $142. So efficiency is pretty damn good for the price.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Yeah, the efficiency is quite impressive. As you said, can't ask for much more given the price.
@WindsorSchmidt
@WindsorSchmidt 3 года назад
Can someone share any information about the remote control port on this unit? I'm considering interfacing it with a microcontroller to access its on/off and alarm features. Thanks!
@randymack1234
@randymack1234 3 года назад
Would a soft start inverter damage my Mac Book Pro ? I'm looking for a inverter to charge and run it while off grid . Thanks.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Some switch mode power supplies do not like soft-start (won't cause damage but will sometimes get into protection mode). The best way to do it is to plug in after the voltage is stabilized.
@randymack1234
@randymack1234 3 года назад
@@KerryWongBlog Thank you Kerry for the reply and the advice ! I will do that. You have a great day !
@gaspo100
@gaspo100 2 года назад
Is it possible to adjust the output AC voltage on this inverter? It has not been mentioned in this review. Thanks.
@lancealderman2755
@lancealderman2755 Год назад
Off-Grid Garage replaced the potentiometer in his I believe to a manual one after his was beginning to put out 129 volts consistently. If you'd like I can find the video for you.
@gaspo100
@gaspo100 Год назад
@@lancealderman2755 Thanks for the info, I've seen that that video, however, his inverter is 3000W - not sure if this is the same pot for adjusting the voltage in the 1500W version.
@craigrotay3732
@craigrotay3732 3 года назад
Curious if all that noise when you start the angle grinder is just produced by the grinder, or is the inverter messing up. Could you do the same test but use the heater? Just switch it on max, and see if the sine output breaks up? Also wondering why those 2x40A fuses didn't pop since you were well over 100A coming out of your power bank. I'd be interested to see similar performance tests and teardown on any 24 or 48Vdc input portable inverters if any good ones are out there. Thanks for the video.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Hi Craig, the noise is coming form the grinder... I should dig deeper into how the fuses are placed as there are actually a total of 4 40A fuses, two in parallel in each of the transformer section. I'd suspect the internals are more or less the same for higher voltage versions but they would theoretically be more efficient since the overall current would be less.
@koilover7740
@koilover7740 3 года назад
Love your video, I have a ??? You use your 12v battery to supply that converter. In return Can that converter charge that battery at it running. Thank you
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
Thanks Koi. No this inverter does not have the battery charging capability.
@koilover7740
@koilover7740 3 года назад
if I get the charger and plug in the converter, can that work. Thank you 🙏
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 3 года назад
@@koilover7740 It would work. However, you need to be careful that the charger's output can be significantly higher than 12V, so you need to make sure it's in good contact with the battery.
@koilover7740
@koilover7740 3 года назад
Thank you so much for your help. Can’t wait for you come out new video. ??? You have any plan made video about sola
@koilover7740
@koilover7740 3 года назад
Can I ask you one more ??? 🙏 can that converter run 24hrs
@АндрейСитниченко-у6й
hi dear friend please explain to me why there are different IGBT transistors on the formation of a pure sine? Thanks a lot
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 2 года назад
I think I explained in the video. One set is for DC DC conversion and the other set is for the H-bridge that is responsible for the sine output.
@mannyfragoza9652
@mannyfragoza9652 2 года назад
I bought the 3000Watt model ive heard nothing be good reviews of this company
@atose_offline5463
@atose_offline5463 3 года назад
This is a UC3843
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 3 года назад
Gee, I'm first. Looks like good quality components. Would like to have seen how much heat sink compound was under one or two MOSFETs . Thank's for this and all the other videos.
@cambridgemart2075
@cambridgemart2075 3 года назад
Probably none, they're mounted onto a silpad which doesn't require any heat transfer paste.
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 3 года назад
@@cambridgemart2075 OK, thanks. Didn't know the paste was not needed.
@cambridgemart2075
@cambridgemart2075 3 года назад
@@gordonwedman3179 Yes, it's a major advantage, so much cleaner than messing around with paste, I don't use anything else for TO-220 packages, I buy the pads and insulating bushes by the 1000 for a few pounds.
@Ahmadnaweed786
@Ahmadnaweed786 3 года назад
In the first test it didn't turn off because of 1300 watts it did because of low input voltage. You were not paying attention
@joevasquez1776
@joevasquez1776 2 года назад
The warning was because of the dc voltage being low 10.8
@robertsm4341
@robertsm4341 2 года назад
the 2000watt is way beefier and well worth the extra 30 bucks
@jackt6112
@jackt6112 2 года назад
- Good to see that you tested to identify if it is set up 120 split phase or single phase. That is seldom tested, yet useful information for anyone wanting to use it in more ways than simply plugging into the outlets. However if you ever reverse the primary polarity by accident on an inverter like that, it will usually result in game over for the inverter. - .4A is good for standby, but I noticed often what is advertised for standby is usually higher than I measure. Example: The Giandel 300w lists .6A but it measures .22A. The Bestek is high, but the USBs are hot when the inverter is off. - While not useless nor necessarily unreliable, the quality is low from a low-tech facility from what I see in the video. They are using two simple transformers rather than a purpose-built multi-tapped transformer with controlling circuitry. The board power side is a mess. You will see no such mess on a Samlex, Go Power!, or Xantrex. Those also must be physically larger to incorporate the wide traces, and require special-purpose-built machines for each model that stacks and solders those traces, and solders in higher-quality components. - I agree with your analysis of the low-voltage cut-off. If you stick with the recommended "no more than .25v loss at max continuous amperage", then one could make the argument that it is set far too low. However, you need a large battery bank and cables the size of an anaconda if it is located any distance from the batteries. That is not an environment which a low-cost consumer inverter is likely to find itself. I look for lower cut-offs myself because otherwise with a little resistance, and as soon as the battery loses much more than its surface charge, they kick out. The higher re-enabling voltage also makes sense because if the voltage does not bounce back to that level under no-load, then the battery is discharged below where you would want it to re-enable if you plan on being able to start your car or prevent shortening the life of your non-deep-cycle battery.
@KerryWongBlog
@KerryWongBlog 2 года назад
Thanks for your insights and detailed comments!
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