In regard to comments about the price tag, I’d like to say I currently cannot afford an $8k DAC at the moment (my current digital front end cost $1k), but I certainly enjoy your informative reviews of costly high end gear. I love to know about budget and high end gear all the way up the chain. Keep them coming!!
Great review, Steve! Love the awesome insight here. I love it when you dig deep into what you are hearing and how you convey that to us in such nice detail. Thanks!
Really an excellent review. Useful comparisons and descriptions that make me feel like I have a good idea of how it sounds. Happy to hear that you mostly use CD for digital listening.
I can’t believe Steve’s channel is at 107K subscribers! Congratulations! I subscribed when he was just at 6.5K. The channel has remained consistent and awesome... including the crazy shirts.
I recently added the Meitner MA-1 to my system. Admittedly, this is my first DAC, so I can’t compare it to anything (for that there is Steve’s review). For years I have been listening my Krell Evolution 505 cd player. The improvement the MA-1 brings is not subtle. It’s truly phenomenal, transparent, almost holographic, without a hint of harshness, the base is much better defined, voices in a choir can clearly be placed …on and on. As Steve says, Ed Meitner is an ideas man. He is an original, he is one of a few who understands what he is doing. The equipment he designs and builds is gorgeous.
I feel you , the thing that cost the most in my system are the front channel speakers that I built myself. I have right around 350.00 in the pair of three way speakers.
Loving the depth of your description in this review. For me you are digging very deep to sufficiently convey what you hear. Great work. Its sounds like the Meitner MA1 V2 DAC should be your reference dac, I'd like one!
Hi Steve, thanks for another great review. I just got a Meitner myself and I would like to point out the although the ma1 is even great with redbook, dsd is where it really shines. Sq from a different realm, so just load those files into your laptop launch Roon and play them through the Meitner, its that simple,
Steve, I always loved your reviews because you always find the words in a funny and relaxed way and there is joy about the music heard through the gear without unneccesery add-ons. That is why always followed your work in stereophile, cnet and now this.
Thanks Steve - I continue to appreciate your simple and honest presentations, reviews and interviews, love 'em all - - yeah, it's easy enough to take information away from many of the other competent You Tube sites, even when they (and most of us know who they are) utilize "click bait" - - although not my first time, I wanted to take another quick time out to give you a straight up thank you.
Did not realize until this review that it is manufactured in the city I live very close to. Thanks for the review I may need to see if I can hear this somewhere.
Love the review Steve ! Still own a Meitner STR 55 amp ; this high current amp is a steal on the used market ($400US ) . Ed Meitner is one of the list of great Canadian designers . Paul Barton (PSB) Marcel Reindeau (Oracle) Ira Gershman (Gershman speakers ) are just a few more !
Thanks for a very good review of what sounds like an excellent DAC! As Yet Another Member of the 99% who are way out of that market, though, I found myself wondering what your recommendations would be at various significant price points, for example $100, $250, $500, $1000… A series of videos, labeled for easy access, would marvelous! 🔥😉👍👍 All the best!
A Meitner Dac will be my last Dac... eventually. Emm labs is 3 miles away from my house. I’ve been obsessing about owning one for years. The output stage on a Meitner is the best in the world. Period
Dave, Ed Meitner probably designed components within their test equipment! If you don't know him, let me assure you he would have no problem getting into all the top geek parties! He is very well respected.
@@tullskull it strange that on their web site i can't seem to find any measurements. Why not publish them ?, Chord do the same. If it's that good a dac be proud and show everyone how great it measures. And then you can say whether it's worth the money. Have they got something to hide ?.
my NAD D1050 sounds amazing with my Rega Brio. i can't imagine this sounded 8k better. 8k is like 10 years of season tickets to the philharmonic. and i am actually supporting struggling musicians making real music in a real space
Hi Steve, I went to my first High End Audio Expo in Tampa, FL last weekend. It was a three day event but I was only there for maybe 3 or 4 hours. They had eleven floors of a hotel filled with Hi-FI. I was impressed with how friendly the builders, engineers and reps were. I caught a little attitude a couple of times but it was easily diffused once we started talking. I think I heard a pair of 250K speakers. haha My criticisms would be: Everything was too loud and too much bass. I just don't listen to music like that. But it was fun. I asked a couple of reps if they could turn the volume down and they actually thanked me. They said as the day goes on everything seems to get louder. I was trying to find a phono cartridge for around $200-$250 and was told a couple time that I should go up to $400 or it wont be worth it. haha Honestly, I really vibed with some of these guys. I know there are differences in sound. I hear them. But sadly I can't afford what I know to be better sounding gear. I had some great conversations with some interesting people. I will spend more time next year. Charles
Very much off topic of this video and I apologize Steve (didn't see other way to ask you a question) but very much would like your input regarding the recent fire on Feb 6 in Banning California Apollo Masters plant that supples 75% of the world's vinyl record supply lacquers and what this bodes for future of vinyl record production Thx. Ken
I never considered upgrading my bitfrost until i heard a buddys ifi dac pro. There was a definite improvement all around but especially in transparancy. Im afraid i am now on the dac train.
i also had bifrost and thought it was the shit, until i "upgraded" to bifrost multibit. couldn't get used to the soundstage, which felt...weird/off, especially with headphones. then one day decided to try chord mojo, to see what the fuss was all about. liked what i heard and shortly after upgraded to chord qutest, which i'm using with a linear power supply from teddy pardo. my speakers are audioengine A5s, and although they are the bottleneck in my system now, i could still easily hear improvements over bifrost: soundstage, bass etc. i hope one day to upgrade to something like meitner DAC. no, right now i'm very satisfied with the qutest, but if i wanna upgrade to a serious amplifier, this little DAC will just look silly next to it. don't get me wrong, it's a VERY capable DAC, and i can't wait to hear how better speakers can take advantage of it. but i'm sure you understand what i mean :-)
My friend put together a sound system that consists of a refreshed McIntosh Solid State integrated AMP that sounds like a smaller version of the separated amps and pre-amps used by the recording studios. He also acquired a pair of OLD JBL's the same that were used in the recording studios as monitors, also a classic Technics turntable with quartz phase lock...and an upgraded cartridge, a Museatex Meitner CD-3 which was considered ground breaking and is still considered top of the line today even though it's not state of the art today with more sophisticated DACs. It has an amazing analog section that is so smooth, you'd think you were listening to vinyl. He also uses his iPhone as a source with a Bluetooth device that is a DAC and is very sophisticated for it's size. The CD also has a digital output so that you can connect a better DAC if you want. No matter any of the 3 inputs, turntable, CD or iPhone/Bluetooth DAC, there's no hiss, no sound whatsoever even at full power you won't hear anything. The purpose of this system is intended to sound exactly like the original recordings of classic rock from the 70's to the 80's; Rolling Stones, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Elton John and many others, their recordings sound exactly like they did when they were in the studio cutting the recordings.
I own a ma1v2, I was told by an other reviewer that the dac technologie in the ma1v2 was design by the devloper of playback design DAC while he was working with EM. To me it doesn’t mather, it sounds great. I will put agains my terminator II that i love.
They can be rare on the used market but worth keeping an eye out for :) as an added bonus we have a policy that any unit that ends up at our facility gets a full once-over and any unpaid updates will be done!
@@amadeusmeitner5483 Thank you, Mr. Meitner! I do a lot of searches and Mr. Guttenberg these days is my go to guy on equipment news. It was a much more simple world when I was a teen in the Mid-60s.
Dropping a late comment here to thank you Steve, for this review ! Who knows if I would have heard of this impressive DAC otherwise. Also to compensate for comments that may say that this is too expensive (for a DAC or too expensive period ) to be reviewed and whatnot :) Even if I will probably never own it (guess what? I can't afford it & i'm hoping to be able to reach the Terminator and probably stop there..) it definetly seems a very intriguing product. The focus on sound quality at the expense of features like 384k+ sample rates, i2c, volume controls speaks of an opinionated and unique design.
Not quite the same. BUT the V2 upgrade for MA1's and DAC2x's (same hardware, different software, same price) was introduced based on what we learned while developing the DA2. It is a major step forward for MA1 customers.
pennfootball we are very excited for that product launch. We’ve made some great progress in the last couple weeks and we should have a release date soon. You can hear it in person at the Montreal Audio Show (March 27-29) and AXPONA Chicago (April 17-19) 😊
Hi Steve, i'm currently using a Denafrips Ares and not sure the next dac will make a 'day and night ' sort of difference. If I have to go Terminator way I can get a used for USD 3,200 and this Meitner MA1 V2 for USD 3,850.... that's a lot.....
I doubt it. Over sampling war exist for marketing. Many times lesser oversampled souns better than more oversamoled. There are other very important things that can make different sound and oversampling is just one of them.
@Henrik Scheel IMO, I think that is a huge waste of hard drive storage space and completely unnecessary. As an option, you could have an upsampling CD Player or DAC do the upsampling for you during playback of the CD or 16 bit/44.1k WAV file. But you might want to ask @Amadeus Meitner who has chimed in to this comment section a few times. ;)
Well it was a rather tongue in cheek comment...but is it so simple? If you say the sound of a digital component is “analog” then why not benchmark it with an actual analogue component? I have a theory which I a trying to prove that the further up the scale of analog and digital you go, the more they converge. As the defects associated with both formats (primarily “noise”) are overcome, you are left with pure music reproduction. Two means to the same end. Discuss!
Love my Planet 2000. Think you are onto something. Paid 200 for it with remote last year and have to say I love it. Oh wait already did. Listening to a Blue Note CD and man I can hear Stanley Jordan picking each note the Blue Note years oh how sad sold out to Capitol Records had to be down hill after that.
I'm sure it is a very good dac and people probably should not care about price, for those that can afford it that option is there and if they like it awesome. You mention hi-res audio for pop music and pretty much all of the tracks I have listened to at 24bit 96khz sound better than their 16 44.1 counterparts so I somewhat disagree that it's not really worth it (for reference using a Chord Qutest). Is the mastering better than other genres hi-res files maybe not but I would argue there is a difference. No doubt 16 44.1 can sound better than hi-res when played on a better dac but if we are comparing apples with apples then for me hi-res seems to have benefit.
This has been my struggle since I started looking at and using "better" equipment. I'm still toward the lower end of things and I wonder if I will get that much more enjoyment if I spend $1000, $5000, $20,000 more on a system. I am certain I will hear the difference and appreciate it but will it make me enjoy my music more? Will I say "yeah, that was worth saving up for a year to get that? Or will I spend my time listening and comparing instead of hearing and enjoying? Will I continue a futile quest for the best sound? I love these reviews and I'd love to hear high end equipment in action but I'm pretty sure i will always limit my stereo budget no matter my level of wealth.
@@MickTimmy sounds like you need to find great used gear that you have reviewed online and in forums and hang on to it! Sure thanks Mr. Obvious but that's my take on your how much $$ to spend. I would say some new gear represents value so that may be in the mix too.
@@MickTimmy I am in the lowest tier of budget hifi. The most I've ever spent was for a pair of ADS L910's and an SVS PB-2000 sub. I use a pair of Adcom 555's and an Emotiva BasX stereo amp to gas up either the L910's or the L810's I use for near-field desktop sound. I know that the weakest link is my DAC/preamp, but I'd really like to have the bass management capability from the preamp if possible, and a DAC separate from the preamp. Fortunately, there are already a great many DACs under $1000 that will definitely work for me. I am looking hard at the Topping SU-8 balanced DAC, for instance.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk Yep. I could not afford to pay for speakers that would match, let alone surpass my ADS L910's, and so far, I'm told that my pair of Adcom 555's are still considered high-end even though I paid @ $750 for both of them. ( Atkinson at Stereophile described them as "Krell-killers" back when they came out. )
I have no doubt that the Denafrips Ares II is absolutely spectacular, and I have an ambition to hear it in my dream system someday. The problem is: When we poor schlubs hear a review like this one, which says that the unobtainable DAC slays the other unobtainable DAC by the company we heretofore thought of as possibly the best, we then get a mental image of ourselves as the dirty street urchin pleading "Please, sir, may I have some more?", and a mental image of the owners of the unobtainable slayer DAC as singing Glory On The Highest with the Angels above. Which would you rather be?
@@HareDeLune we just have to appreciate the stuff that is realistic to us. Our partners, homes, hi-fi, got to appreciate that stuff for what it is, otherwise we'd all be miserable. Unless there are real problems with any of that, of course! 😁
@ 6:59 "Rossellini overtures"? Been watching Isabella's films lately? Wikipedia does not mention being a classical/romantic music composer as being among her many talents. Seriously though, why say that the Meitner gear sounds like analog, just say it sounds very much like real live music. All recordings, either analog or digital, are facsimiles of the actual musical event, although the best of them can get very close to capturing and reproducing it.
For anyone interested in learning a little more about Ed and his history... here is a great interview with Chris Connaker of Audiophile Style. Thanks for the video Steve! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9DzlobVR_5M.html
I have an experiment for you. Have you ever thought you might achieve some of the characteristics of what you are listening for by actually modifying the source content? I have spent a fair amount of time in studios, and have some Universal Audio plug-ins that provide different flavors if you will to the source material that I am bringing in. I wonder sometimes if you took a 2 channel source and ran it through some of the different emulations of various studio gear, if some of the characteristics you enjoy might come through with less expensive gear. Maybe applying some mastering plug-in's to your digital source might change the material in the same way a different DAC topology might in terms of flavor? I think I need to try this experience as a recovering audiophile of 40 years.... And I thought I was the only one who bought the CD after streaming it...
You review well. I part of the 99% too and also can't do speakers because I can't have a dedicated listing room and my wife hate big speakers in the house anywhere. So I only do headphones. More analog sound smooths over the tiny or middle imperfections and the smoothing makes it sound great over digital, even in bad recordings. I have tube and digital and hybrid and only wish I could afford the MA1 V2. DAC chasing is futile for us mere mortals because since you hit a ceiling of sound at around $1200 dollars. Next best sound comes at over $4000. I LOVE analog and I LOVE proper digital. I think saying analog sound is always better is not right.
Are you using Dirac live Steve you should be it's not really room cancellation as you may believe from other types of collections, it doesn't boost or lower frequency in the common sense but changes the time delay from multiple measurements something you're missing by not having it and enhances soundstage ads quicker decay. And is easy to set up The dac what chip does it use the Philips one 16-bit there's no point up sampling PCM to dsd waste of time the only benefit you would get if it's recorded in DSDor DxD
@John sweda @Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac I have to agree regarding Dirac Live. Especially if it is not possible to PROPERLY optimize the acoustics of your listening room with absorbers/difussors/bass traps because of aesthetics, loss of room functionality, or WAF, etc. But even if your room is well-treated, it can improve your system. Switching between Dirac Live engaged and bypassed, the DL signal improved the Spectral Balance & Tonality, the Sound Stage expanded in ALL Axes, improved Focus & Pinpoint Imaging with more separation between instruments & vocals, improved Transients and Dynamics...well, it just improved EVERYTHING. I was a naysayer, but am now a believer. I even opted to try it in my high-end car audio system and experienced basically the same results. I used the miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 v2.0 DL processor. It didn't work quite as well for the low end below the Schroeder frequency, I think due to the unique small/reflective acoustical environment. But it still improved the system dramatically.
@@bbfoto7248 do you know if you can get dirac live in an ASP processor system haven't really looked that hard but couldn't see anything to indicate there is for ASP?
Noticed that , but like many of us the mind slips a cog on occasion . Getting all details correct counts in school. They reward rapid recall with higher grades .Steve gets the big picture correct most of the time . My only quibble is I never made as much money as he obviously has and that's not his fault .
Most people prefer video at 24 frames per second which has been the standard for movies since 1927. By any possible quantitative measure higher frame rates are better. No matter. Many people don't just prefer 24fps, they hate high FPS. So much so they have a negative physical reaction to high FPS. I think there is an analog, no pun intended, in the music audio world. People are used to lower resolution, if that's the right word, so that's what they prefer.
@Rapier P You must be referring to film speed. The average frame rate for computer video games, for example, is sixty frames per second. This used to be higher when Cathode Ray Tube based monitors were commonly used, but was cut when LCD and LED flat screen monitors became ubiquitous, because those monitors have lower refresh rates and can't handle the higher frame rates. Some people are sensitive to this, and can't comfortably play games on consoles like the Playstation or XBox because the average frame rate for them is thirty frames per second because of lower performing hardware. Some of the old school gamers miss the days when they had frame rates approaching two hundred frames per second and their games played as smooth as butter.
Just wonder if you heard of Lampizator DAC. It seems to be very unpopular in HiFi reviewers, not many reviews. I have a few DACs over the years Fiio, Rotel, Rega, Electrocompaniet, iFi, Chord, and now Lampizator. Also got my dealer to do 1 month home demo of MSB discrete with twin power supply. End up with Lampizator because of the price not sound. MSB discrete with twin power supply sounded like Lampizator with clearness of Chord. Until this month I still hold on to most of them start to sell some really old and broken ones. One thing I learnt is money sounds better this is all I can say. DAC under $500 from Fiio, iFi and Schiit are still behind a 10 years old Electrocompaniet which is using same DAC chip as a $50 Fiio.
Sorry Steve I stopped the video as soon as I heard the price. Why don’t you get your hands on the new Topping D90 DAC that retails for $699 and tell us how you like that. I’m sure more of your subscribers would realistically be more Interested in that as a more affordable option.
“Designed his own DAC”. What does that actually mean? Purchasing the chip set from TI/Burr-Brown and creating your own motherboard and build around that would be indeed impressive. To have actually designed the DAC chip set itself would require a large engineering staff and $100’s of thousand if not a millions or so plus the forge to cut the chip set seems a little out of the range of a very small company. You can buy DAC chip set kits from TI and build your own DAC box around that seems a bit more accurate here. Building it out of discreet parts would end up in a box a meter cubed, maybe bigger.
Or you could be a really smart guy with a fundamental understanding of the digital to analog conversion process (and the other way, too, Ed Meitner also designs professional analog to digital converters for recording studios). He writes his own code for implementation on field programmable gate arrays. Ted Smith (no relation) does this, too, for PS Audio's DirectStream DAC series. That's how they can offer software updates when continuing experimentation produces new or revised code that think sounds better. 'We don't need no stinkin' off-the-shelf DAC chips.'
Meitner doesn't use a "dac chip" per se; he writes his own DA code that he implements in the DAC programming. It's not on a dac chip, it's on a programmable module that he builds around with discrete components. So he is building his own DAC, and he's not using a large engineering staff or millions and a forge. There are a few other high end companies that also take tthis approach.
@@stephensmith3111 In an early part of my career I came very close to going to work for Burr-Brown in Tucson. But alas may career took me into the Military dark side.
@@DannyHoffman57 I’m sure he is but to design the actual programmable chipset itself takes a pretty strong engineering staff way beyond even the smartest of a small staff or one guy. Believe me, been there done that. Anyway after hearing a description of some of these DACs I looked around on the Internet ( TI ) and mostly what I got was single board programmable DSP processors. So now on a regular basis I get e-mails from the likes of TI trying to sell me DSP/DAC programmable chipsets. So I’m sure Mr Meitner has settled on one of those chipsets and as you say is punching the keyboard and programming something. Seems like that would all be a lot of fun but I’m well into retirement ( 68, Computer Engineering, MIT ) and I’m not going back to work. Thanks for the info and thoughts.
I'm the owner of this dac.Sounds very good but their email support is unfortunately terribly bad.No response at all of my emails.Be aware of that if you are considering to buy one of their products!!!
Some people might get off on spending thousands and thousands of dollars on digital that sounds analog-like. As for myself, I'll be over here in my corner of Audioland, playing my records on actual analog gear.
Uh huh. For what this DAC costs, I could get a really good arm and cartridge for my Linn. The biggest mistake I made as an audiophile was all the money I spent on digital gear in a futile attempt to keep up with analog.
Most recordings today is made in digital format so using a turntable to play modern music should sound no different if one is using properly made dac. evords to not have the technical range of digital.
I appreciated the comparison to the Denafrips. Twice the price and twice the improvement? Hmmmmm. Digital is fascinating and seems more and more ephemeral as "improvements" are made to capture 0's and 1's. But where does one settle and be satisfied with the music? I appreciated your awareness to microphone placement, most especially with an orchestra. Audiophiles need to be aware more to the nature of truly what music sounds like when it is performed live. Thanks for the good stuff, Steve. F
I'm sure there are many audiophiles who know what music sounds like live. The difference is, it's not in their living rooms and if their equipment makes things 'sound live' in their living room, then the work is done; except, an audiophile's road is never ending.
It so begs the question: should you try to go broke buying top notch equipment for EVERY format you listen to, or should you just blow the wad on one format and don’t look back? Amps/preamps/speakers as a base, but can all of us go nuts on a phono preamp, expensive tt and cart, DAC, CD transport, and the wires to hook all of these up? No, most of us can’t. God please, don’t let cassettes come back! NOS cassettes DO sell on eBay a lot, however, and I just watched a review on handheld bluetooth Walkman-like cassette players.....
Different strokes for different folks as we always say. We have countless customers that have kept, and still love, their MA1's since released 10 years ago
Yeah I heard this DAC and the previous Meitner models. They are only good for regular people normally using a circa 1-4000 dollar DAC. The fact that Steve calls the sound analog, is proof that his reference DAC only goes up to around 5-10.000 dollars. The audio note dac 2 signature for about half the price, that is a real analog sound, plus it is a lot better on the technical front and a lot more real sounding, plus you can get it tweaked to sound 3 times better for not much more money. A pitty we have to see reviews of half horrible gear all over youtube.
@@amadeusmeitner5483 Hello Amadeus. I am referring to the MTR 101. I had sent you two emails about a year ago asking for assistance on repair or schematics or referrals for the repair. I was disappointed that I had not received a response from you. Thank you for your time.
Claude Simioni apologies Claude but we are unable to service the Museatex gear as we don’t have parts for them anymore... they were built in the 80s. There is a gentleman in Calgary named John Wright who still services them from my knowledge. We still can and do service any and all EMM Labs/Meitner components.
The way I see it, there are only so many ways to Decipher One's and Zero's! 🤪🤔🙄🤭😇 Anybody wanna put a wager on a blind AB test with the units mentioned comparing the Denafrips or even a Shitt model and I wouldn't be surprised if most people Choose the cheaper unit and that's just by chance!🤪🤪🤪🤫🤫🤫🤔🤭🤭 And I'm not saying Steve isn't hearing his perceived differences but there's a lotta influence going on because it's not a blind test and he knows the $$$ difference that's all I'm saying😇🤔🙄
I'm in, as long as you arrange the test and you foot the bill for it, including paying my airfare. I'll come and take a listen blindfolded. I have no experience with either machine, never heard them, no doubt I never will.
What hogwash. Why spend money, especially a lot, on a separate DAC when the ones built into CD players are fine. If you put this money into better speakers, then, now you’re talking!
@@ewmcdade maybe he has the wrong speakers and his dac is perfect, or is it the amp that's wrong. It could also be the power cable that's causing the problem, no I think it is the fact that his interconnect are not cryo treated.😂
It’s made in Canada and made for rich people , as soon as you said the price and knew I couldn’t afford it, or want to spend that kind of money ,I was done watching this review,no offense
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Thanks. I watch most of your videos, but I had missed the iFi Hip. The whole which Dac decision is overwhelming for me. I'm thinking I'll be in the $200 or less camp. The rest of the offerings don't match my gear.
If he said it was $50,000 I would agree with you, but anybody with a middle class job could come up with $8,000 if they really wanted to. It might take some time, but you could do it. Drop the coffee and the cigarettes, drop the dinners at Applebees, see a few less movies at the theater and you're there in a year, or drop a credit card on the counter if you just can't drop that other stuff.
@IMMO Lab money doesn't always buy you quality, most people who buy this stuff are clueless. If you get this dac measured it would probably at best be a little bit better than a well made $500 dac.
$8000.00 for a DAC So, this is review and gear is for the 1%...how nice for them... Seriously if I had that kind of money I'd be hiring people to bring and set-up the gear for me in my super custom built cabinets, in each of my super custom build homes. I have 6 or 7 homes, can't remember exactly... I guess I have to keep looking, there must be an audiophile guy for the rest of us.
Wow...what a lot of envy in your comment! I live in a small house, drive an average car, don't go on luxury vacations, but....I own this DAC! Just an audiophile and music lover. Please don't come up with this stereotype BS. ( in your case even monotype :-)
In the immortal words of the fabulous Rutles: "All you need is cash. Dah da-dah da-daahhh." And to quote Harry "Happy" Cox: "Hello, Seeker! Now don't feel alone here in the New Age, because there's a Seeker born every minute." re: (1) Eric Idle and Neil Innes with assistance from George Harrison (yes, THAT George Harrison) and (2) The Firesign Theatre
They go used for 3 to 4k and that's in Canadian dollars. So for that price I'm sure it's a great value. Obviously if you've only spent a handful of dollars on a pair of speakers this product is not for you.
Plutocracy Now! You think you know the value of 8K [US] to everyone on the planet... your fooling yourself & no one else! You have to be aware many people on the planet think your a complete idiot for having "3" separate systems. hahaha
