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My Dad spent a lot of time with me as a 5th grader to find a MP that did not cause me discomfort and that fit me well as a young student. The Bach 7C that came with my trumpet was just not a good fit for the shape of my lips and even with out pressure caused me pain. He got me a Yamaha 14B4 after we had tried a lot of pieces locally. It was a match made in Heaven and as I grew as a player my lips became much less sensitive and my air control and breath support improved. Today I play Bach and Stork MP's mostly and the rim profile on MP's does not bother me! As a 5th grader though finding a rim profile that did not make my lips hurt after 15 minutes of playing was HUGE! That and finding a MP that had the right rim profile, throat size and back bore for a little 5th grader made a big deal too. A lot of other MP's we tried that fit my lips had throats of back bores that where just too large for me!
buckaroobonsi555 similar way here, can't play crap on many mouthpieces that I've played on expect for a 14a4a. I don't know if the Shilke is any different, but that's what I use. It's the best all around mouthpiece, I never use it as a "screamer"
I'm looking for a new mouthpiece that'll make it easier to play high notes. As of right now, I can max hit an E above the staff and a song I have needs me to hit the F# above that. I tried someone's 14a4a mouthpiece and it was a lot easier to hit higher notes, but I want to make sure it wasnt just me being able to play high notes because it was a new mouthpiece and that it was the actual mouthpiece.
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right now im in marching band and a concert band and im debating to get a 3e, 14c4, and a 14b4 ( im on a 3c right now and i have a rang up to a double g)
The original runs of the Schilke 14A4a were vastly different and far superior than what we now know as that model made by both Schilke and the poor man's Schilke a.k.a. Yamaha (remember, Schilke used to sell Yamaha's and they partnered up in the '70's, and then became Schilke "knock offs"). The original lines had a very well pronounced undercut on them with a cup depth that was more in between a Bach D/E...not overly shallow. The backbore, however, was a very tight "aa" which offered resistance yet still would produce a full, legit quality of sound. The 14A4a was originally made by Renold Schilke back in the mid 1960's for Forrest Buchtel, a Chicago-based player that played with Woody Herman, Buddy Rich, BS&T, Duke Ellington, Malo and worked in Vegas. The piece was originally put on the market around 1970.
OF course you can document all of this and point us to the cited sources? While Schilke changed hands the company has been in continuous operation with out any major interruptions. So why would Schilke just decide to up and change all the dimensions? I understand this sort of thing does happen but why? No one seems to mind that The Bach Strad Bb trumpet of today has nothing in common with it's Pre-Selmer sale Bach Strads. How do you figure Yamaha is a "poormans" anything? On top of that how does a reduction in price point equal poor materials, machining variations, or quality control.On top of that while many people own a 14A4a you seldom see anyone really playing them much it is for the most not very relevant to the market today or the sound. This is one of those cult following mouth pieces that seldom works for most of the people that own one! Even if everything you say is true it does not change anything since you can not buy the design you mentioned from Schilke or Yamaha. That essentially makes it trivia.
My main mouthpiece is a Blessing 3C, basically a cheaper copy of a Bach 3C. I recently got a Schilke 14A4A and .... I kind of like it. I still like my 3C but I'll take both out busking and play the 3C the first hour and then switch to the Schilke the 2nd hour.
Hi Harrelson! Very useful reviews in this channel! Sometimes i use Yam 14A4a for big band with great results (i'm not a lead). Very good mouthpiece for high register and i agree with you about low register: the sound has no core... Actually i'm using Yamaha 14B4 for all around play from jazz to classical. Very good sound and flexibility. I think the rim is very similar to 14A4a and i can switch from this to 14B4 with no problem. I think 14B4 is somewhat like a 14A4 with a bit deeper cup and a similar rim (probably a bit wider). Have you ever tried it? I'm really interested to know you opinion. I think 14B4 is a underrated mouthpiece!
Yamaha 14B4 has a quicker response and a bit more sizzle also, to me has a perfect inner edge. The Bach 3C has a richer sound with a bit more “presence”. Symphonic and regal. I’ve tried the Yamaha 14A4a several times and find it to blatty maybe because my lips protrude and enter the cup so I need a bit more depth.
I have them both and I want to tell you a "not true"story because its my experianse , I get the impression that the Schilke feels colder then the Yamaha or my other Bach mp. It costs more time to get the Schilke "warm" (in temperature). The sound of the Schilke bytes (briljant) more in the high but for a long concert I prefer the Yamaha (jazz - Realbook). In general , the Yamaha is mellower and the most players in de band prefer Schilke (excuse for my bad English)
Luis Ruperto not related at all. Yamaha it’s smaller than Schilke in Number (almost and always two numbers apart…), different shape cups, backbore it’s more open on Yamaha, Schilke have a longer Throat (identical Drill but different in length, probably because of the back bore). Yamaha Rim counter have more sharpe bit than Schilke, so, one semi flat and other more rounded. Yamaha have mellow sound and Schilke more zing sound.
Cool. So, for me as a casual player who can reach a good G above the staff...which mouthpiece would make it a little bit easier to expand the register? Many thanks.
@@harrelsontrumpets .... which sounds like what you conclude is an mouthpiece you'd really endorse. I got a Schilke 14A4A off the "sale table" at my local place, fortunately they're a Schilke dealer and I might pay new price for a 14B4
I always follow your channel. Thanks for your suggestions. I want to ask you what do you think of the Bach Artisan 3 C mouthpiece? Is it really a copy of old Vernon and NY?
The answer really depends on which vintage mouthpiece you scan for the comparison. There are more variations of the 3C than we will ever discover. The question should be, "which mouthpiece size/shape fits you the best?"
Could you try to review a Yamaha 14a4a Gold plated mouthpiece? It says that it has a semi narrow backbore and not narrow even though it has the “a” in the name
Cup width? .5675 inches = 14.41 mm. The Bach or Schilke catalog doesn't show any mouthpiece that small with a Bach 20C being listed at 15mm and a Schilke 5A4 at 15.84 mm or .624 inches. A Bach 3 is listed at 16.30 or .4617 inches. Are you sure about that measurement?
Me podrían ayudar por favor , me vendieron una boquilla YAMAHA JAPAN 15 , pero estuve buscando sus medidas y no pude encontrar ; y no se si es original .
Yep. The 14B4 is very well-rounded and almost like a Bach 3C, as is the Yamaha “Bobby Shew Jazz” mouthpiece. Worth noting that Bach 3C’s are often a little shallower than other C cups.
I've have and have played both. The Bobby Shew Lead (I'm guessing that's the one you want to compare to) and the 14A4a by Yamaha are both very similar. The throat on the 14A4a is 3.65mm and the Bobby Shew Lead is 3.56mm, so a little tighter. The inner rim of the 14A4a is 16.68mm and the Lead is 16.54mm. I like the little smaller rim size of the Lead and the feeling of a little more compression I get from over the14A4a. That said, most of my time is spent on the Bobby Shew Jazz which is a completely different feeling mouthpiece. The review above is similar to my experience with the Lead. It is bright and sharp for me coming off of the Jazz. But it makes the upper register slotting much cleaner for me. And, the compression is better for me. Like all things concerning mouthpieces, your mileage may vary.
As a 17 year old (with lips on the smaller size), what high note mouthpiece would you suggest I try? I was borrowing my private teacher's Yamaha Japan TR11 for lead trumpet in jazz but had to give it back (it worked well for me). Because it was an older model, I couldn't find one to purchase (I also bought the newer model but it felt way different). My range is also pretty much capped at a high D at the moment. Thanks!
I don’t agree. The Yamaha 14b4 is more allround with a nice and comfortable sound but the 14a4a is a bit more bright but really alright for lower stuff too 🎶🎺
