My review of the Waves Infected Mushroom Pusher plug-in. I'm honest! Check the studio here: whiteseastudio.com Like my page on Facebook: WhiteSeaStudio/ Follow me on Twitter @whiteseastudio
Is that bad thing ? If you were a industry producer that had to pump out multiple tracks a day for various artist this could help for a speedy rough mix. What's wrong with capitalize off of how technology is advancing?
I've used this on rock tracks, and like others have said; once you learn how to use it, it really is awesome..It does add depth and width if you want it. I prefer the dynamic perception function on the Slate FG-X to the one on the IM Pusher, so i put that in front of this in my mastering chain (But only for the dynamics perception function), and finish with this. Once you get the input gain set right, and compensate the volume in the lower right corner, the push knob is very useful. As is the magic knob using the focus slider for bringing out a vocal. Would I rather use a Neve Portico II Mastering Module, and hardware EQ? Sure I would.... but that chain would cost me like $7-8K, and this thing cost me $30. I literally deleted all that Ozone crap I was trying to use when I figured out how to use this. When a truck full of money falls in my lap, I'll use hardware. For now, my mastering bus is The Fabfilter EQ, FG-X, into this, to tape.
First of all, congrats to your channel, overall I find it really amusing. Now, I still have not checked out this plug-in (although I have the Mercury bundle, so it should be there somewhere), but wanted to say something about your reviews of "magic" plug-ins. I do totally agree with you, that most of these are not a good tool for any mix engineer or mastering engineer, wanting to really get control over the sonic nature of a mix, or even single tracks. And most of them apply an effects chain, so we can't control how much of any given effect they provide. However, as a musician and producer, I must say that some of these plugs color your sound in a way, that might come in handy sometimes. If you have these plugs IN ADDITION to your bread and butter ones, and you just feel like a single element could use exactly that kind of boost, it is a great way of speeding up things while programming, composing etc., in order not to get too caught up in sound design details during this creative process. And some of these plugs actually sound quite cool in their own way. So, all I'm saying is: I agree a 100% that these plugs are not any substitution for a good self made chain you can tweak individually, especially not an analog one. And they are definitely no substitute for engineering skills (or an engineers ears). But that doesn't necessarily mean they are completely useless for musicians/arrangers in some situations. Then again, this specific one might be just that :) I'll cheek soon......
I’ve watched a few of your videos now. Your ‘reviews’ consist of you just fumbling your way around a plugin, turning everything to 10 and wondering why it sounds bad. Read a manual.
It does exactly what they say it does, use it on a mix especially that hasn't been mastered or even fully mixed properly and you'll get something at least fairly commercially acceptable or use it on something not totally polished you can test in a venue. Basically an oversimplified mastering chain in one plugin, very convenient and being infected mushroom they've managed to get the limiter and everything else to affect the sound without ruining the musicality.
I don't like the idea of a "magic" function in an audio processor. I like to know exactly what I'm doing and I prefer simple tools that do one thing and let me understand what they do, instead of using complex tools that do 5 things at once with a single knob, because it's then making me do random things and not really understand my sound. I prefer to use 5 simple plugins in chain that I know exactly what are doing and why I want to use them instead.
I like how transparent it is. Its not muscled in like most plugins are just to impress beginners. It is adding subtle but good clarity and it took him for a while to incorporate the body and the low-end threshold together. Going to demo it today I think.
Clipping only takes the spikes off the kick and snare and doesn't change the signal of the bulk of the material i.e. the instruments. This is how Skrillex and Zomboy and all those guys get ridiculously loud and still sounds punchy.
After watching your review I almost didn't buy it, but I downloaded a demo for it, and I heard significant improvements. The sound was not just getting louder, but fatter. I think it's more than an EQ and a limiter. It also does some harmonic excitement. I read on some website that it may be a combination of Vitamin and L2 maximizer under the hood. In your video, it doesn't make a big difference. Not sure if you're giving it enough juice on the input, or what's going on. Anyway, I'm pleased with it. Of course there's no flexibility with the cutoff frequencies between the different bands, but its simplicity gets a lot of the job done. Maybe it can be complemented with an EQ before in the chain. I ended up buying it for Black Friday.
I lolled when you selected two knobs at the same time when one was set to 100 and the other to 0 and didn't get why you couldn't move them. It was good.
So today I use this for the first time but the way I'm using it is in Cubase 10 and I'm actually using it in the stereo track in the mix session. mixdown and basically on your stereo out you would put this plugin infected mushroom pusher so you go back and play your songs in real time reference to your speakers subwoofers and you know mess with it and it does work with a good sound but first spin the time mixing your session down and do some referencing. 🤘😎
For a quick 5 minute master it is brilliant. If you want to hear the song sounding nice whilst it is still incomplete, it allows a sound enhancement without doing a full master. Great for me if I produce something and want a non techy persons opinion, Joe public can't look past the muffled unfinished sound. This helps make it cleaner so they can listen to the song and not be put off by the quality.
OK - so I saw this vid last week and thought I am not getting that..I just got it for free from Waves sale and I freakin love it..I do R&B Pop and it adds clarity , delivers more punch and dynamics..So maybe it works well on R&B and not on EDM which is odd ..ok I'm done!
What are you on about? Magic knob sounds fantastic!! It's just a subtle glue, tighter on the low end still with a lot of depth on the sub frequencies. It's a mastering/bus plugin not for crazy effects.
There's a lid for every pot, as they say. I'm glad you're getting use out of it. If you know what it's doing, why not just do it yourself without the plugin? I'd rather know what something is doing and adjust it for each song, but some people aren't into that, do I guess Waves is great for that segment. That is one thing I have mixed feelings about regarding Logic. There are these "magic" FX combos that secretly do a bunch of stuff with just a couple of simple controls. But sometimes it does it by creating ghost side chains or busses, and you can't really control them. They were handy, but not worth going back to Logic from REAPER. I'd rather just figure out how to do it with FabFilter. People end up getting nickel and dimed by cheap Waves plugins, and eventually end up spending more than the FF production bundle would have cost them.
You gotta think from a DJ perspective this is a quick way to onboard a track quickly to match the sound of the current track or get it up to a standard during a live performance. That’s why it’s so simple. Also it’s for a DJ.
This guy almost always disregards the fact that a plug-in still has its own sonic character. Plain and simple; use a plug-in regardless of what it is modeled after. Use your ears to determine if it’s good for your track or tracks.
I bet all the dislikes are from Infected Mushroom fans. I really enjoy their music, but I don't think it should bias me towards liking this plugin. Maybe it's a great tool for them to do a few things that they do all the time, and it's a time saver. I guess it highly depends of people's workflow. Maybe some people will find this plugin doing a few things they need a lot quicker than a few other plugins stacked. Anyway - gonna watch the "versus" video now. Thanks fro great content, White Sea!
These guys are really good sound engineers and designers and they definitely "dummed" down for this plugin, as you can see with a lot of the new Waves stuff, it's designed for musician and laymans users. These guys have definitely been at the top of the trance scene for over 20 years, Erez is very capable and can master, but i'm sure it more convenient for sales to make it seem like this plugin is what they use ;) These new waves plugins are getting pretty unnecessary now haha
Trance ≠ music. EDM ≠ music. Dubstep ≠ music. Et Cetera. When you have someone actually playing an instrument, you are dealing with music. The aforementioned things are the product of people who can't make real music, but have computers. The people who make those sounds are engineers, not musicians. Let's not confuse the two. A good musician will not just understand his/her instruments, but enough about production to be able to use those instruments to take the artistic ideas in their heads and be able to put them together in a way that evokes emotion in the listener. Sound engineers make noises that keep people occupied when they are under the influence of particular substances. A good musician will make you feel something intense by communicating something profoundly human through their medium. But a good one also knows how to take it from A-Z. I don't mean a great cellist needs to have industry leading final mastering skills, but they should have enough technical knowledge to be able to get along. I ran into the same thing in the Graphic Design world. You had your kids who just knew how to use the software, but couldn't make anything that was worth seeing, and the "artists" who had these visions (most of them not worth the paper on which they were printed) but didn't know how to get anything to press. I was never satisfied relying on someone else's expertise. A good balance of left and right brain skills is a must. These EDM/Trance/House/Dubstep/you name the next one manufacturers have some kind of skill, but they are really just producing mild variations of the same crap at the end of the day, and without some kind of consciousness altering substance to make it listenable, it's just garbage. No dynamics, no emotion, no substance. Just like this silly plugin.
Old men (like me) have also the thirst to learn new stuff, and make their recording projects better, even though they aren't interested in electronic mainstream music... I've made a trance track as a joke on a hardware synth, without any programming and computers and it was still the easiest music I've ever made....
@@ChocPretz Because Wytse is an incredibly talented engineer/producer, and he's very entertaining. I also watched Dan Worrall take an insipid compilation of samples and use FabFilter Pro-MB like an instrument and actually turn it into something interesting. It's not emotionally or philosophically evocative like pre-80s music was before the industry became another risk-free arm of the propaganda machine-dumb them down and keep them busy doing things of no importance so we can continue our rampage of destruction and plunder without pesky musicians with enough brains and talent to make people think and feel-but it was amazing to see what an expert like Dan can do to turn garbage into something not-so-flaccid. Wytse is incredibly talented at what he does, and his videos attract an eclectic audience because his tastes are eclectic.
HASHEAVEN Cool! Post it and we’ll see how it sounds. If it’s so easy for you then why don’t you send it off to a label so you can get signed and make a ton of money! Sounds like easy money for you because of your natural talent! Would feel like an opportunity wasted if you didn’t!
Make sure to always get the input set right... otherwise all the processes aren't doing what they are intended. Always need to do that first when dealing with these "all in one" plugins
"20 years in the business and still not capable of mastering" You're a bit arrogant here. There are people who are paid for mastering stuff... You can be a terrible mastering engineer, but it doesn't mean you can't be good at mixing. The two things are not correlated
I like that you're honest. We really share opinions^^ I also love Analog stuff, sadly I don't have enough money to effort any of the stuff I'd like to have ): But hey, it's just a matter of months till I can get some stuff :D
Now Domestic is engaged in their mastering, in any case, these guys can do a lot that many do not know how, and their tracks talk about that. Plugin is just a business/ i Want you review Manipulator
interesting enough, B.P.Empire is one of my reference tracks .. If you guys get your stuff to sound like that track, you have my respect. With or without mushrooms ;)
...ott is a multiband compressor. this is a soft clipper/limiter, eq, saturation, exciter, with small compressor....so your comparing and apple to potatoe
Take time to learn it mate, they are a great band and I've seen them at work, please stop thinking your more intelligent then everyone, sorry but that's how it's coming across.
Probably it would be worth checking their discography and hear their self mastered music before jumping to conclusions, pretty impresive work, theyre just insane in so many levels.
Why would he need a headphone when he has a pro grade studio, with pro grade monitors. There's a reason he listens to it on reference monitors, if those don't pick up the subtle nuances in the audio, headphones most definitely won't. Mind you this guy does sound for a living.
you want it to work i can tell... you hope it does something!!!! but it doesnt. some of those waves plugins are bullshit. they just keep pumping them out and using indusrty types who need the cash good video...
Right? Most of them are worthless. My friend gave me his copy of the Waves Complete bundle. It's a bunch of garbage, basically. The Abbey Road plates are kind of neat, but I'd rather use FabFilter R. Way more control, and I can make a delay myself. The only ones that are pretty good are the CLA series they did with Chris Lord-Alge. Those piss me off, because they do some real "magic", but the controls are so limited, and you don't know really what they are doing. Can anyone recommend any other useful ones in that bundle? There are so many, just going through them and finding out that 99% of the are worthless is an annoyance. And the way they bundle is setup, there really isn't a way to dump the ones that are just taking up space. There also isn't a way to disable the AU and VST3 versions that I don't ever use. I've tried zipping the file they drop in the plugin folders, but somehow it still manages to load them all every time I launch REAPER. Just frustration!
most reviews just say what a great plugin this is because the reviews want to keep getting free stuff ! plus most of them don't actually mix recored for a living !!!
The thing is: I want to be independent, and by asking for free stuff, you aren't. Other than that, I earn my living from the studio, and not RU-vid, so that makes being honest a lost easier!
I love these vids. I wouldn't really consider them reviews, per se. They are more "watch me try to figure this out in a couple of minutes" videos, but usually your first impression is pretty right on. I usually follow up on the products to see if you missed something, and your first impressions are pretty reliable! I'm sorry to say it, but companies like FabFilter, UAD, and iZotope have made Waves pretty obsolete. Waves basically modeled some noise profiles of old gear (not hard to do if you do it like they do) then they throw some basic compressor, EQ, or whatever on top of it. None of it is very outstanding. This one looks exceptionally gimmicky, even for Waves. Looking forward to your analog comparison. I end up wasting a lot of time watching this channel because it's just fun.
this plugin is a beast u dont know how to use it lol , u need to use the input port , then put in and out , and playo n the piano u need input port to midi out play a note and move the knobs , then ull see magic
Sean Fullerton I was actually pleasantly surprised, I got on sale on a whim cause I wanted to buy the waves vocal rider, and I was expecting the “magic” to just muddy it up with weird reverb and air, but in reality it was just a nice way to make the drum bus a little more impactful.
I run away from plugins like this...After 20 plus years of experience, no one magic plugin will turn you into a grammy aware winning engineer. Its years of experience that make the greats what they are.
If people want to sell me magic, i.e. the workflow "ANYTHING INPUT-> MAGIC->8TH WORLDWONDER OUTPUT"... then basically I'm out. Marketing, makes me puke. I want to know what it does. In a scientific manner.
From what i hear... The magic knob just boost the stereo of the the high and mid frequencies. It's like open eq on side mode and boost the mids and highs
Keep being honest, never mind the naysayers. If they don't like your style they can watch another channel. I find these types of shiny plugins that apparently polish tracks in seconds only ever push high mids, shelf the highs and boost the lows (much like a smiley curve eq setting on a 90's hi fi system with the preset set to 'Rock' or 'Pop' to seduce new customers. Always sounds like shit
I'm not down-voting because I think the reviewer was wrong. I'm down-voting because I felt the reviewer was a tad snarky, too much attitude. The video didn't exactly leave me feeling confident.
LOL What does his snarky attitude have to do with demonstrating what a piece of shit this thing is? LOL Nobody is putting a gun to your head and telling you, DON'T BUY IT !!!! LOL You heard for yourself, so you are a big boy and are allowed to waste your own money. fact is that this band has never gotten anywhere making music, so now they are hustling shiny garbage. this plugin is just plain horrible, I guess it is neat and looks cool to someone who soesn't even know the first thing about making music, to those who do. They don't get fooled by rubbish. Great vid, keep it up, and be snarky, because if it's shit, then you should let others see just that. You are saving peoples hard earned money
Let's keep the tone calm and normal, we are all grown up people, right? I have big respect for Infected Mushroom, what they have done is still something we are dreaming of to achieve. What irritates me, is that they sell their respected name to a company only to make money. While making money isn't something bad, we all gotta eat, but I don't like it when people make money with crappy products in combination with paid name dropping... Just make something really good, and it will succeed. Netaneld122, I'm indeed not a professor in the Audio Engineering, I didn't say it either. From the looks of it, you know more about this subject then me, so I would be happy if I can learn something from you! Maybe we can arrange a meeting?
i think the plugin is made for psytrance-producers who are too lazy to get into mixing xD i have a friend like that, too. he'd be happy about a plugin where a 200-300hz-boost is called "body"
I ususally like Waves plugins, the omni channel, the Scheps preamp, the bread and butter stuff, the API stuff, etc. But I honestly dislike any wonder-button like things.
its not a fair test because u a using it on already mixed and mastered tracks. that's a bullshit. do these tracks need additional mastering? of course they not. instead of trying it in bus mixing of mixed (but not masterrd) multitrack, u a trying to test in on mastered multitrack. of course it will sound awful, making all sound overcompressed!
Since the trance scene died two dudes from Israel realized it's time to scam people with some bullshit plugin to make some money, hired some local programmers and developed a piece of shit with 5 knobs that just pretty much do a wrong mid boost eq and add limiting. they should call this plug-in "infected ears plug-in" respect to the nerdy dudes who actually sat there and coded this shit, but honestly, it's a trash plugin that doesn't do jack shit but boost frequencies blindly. love you channel Bro very rarely do people speak the truth on youtube without kissing ass to companies for free shit "link in the description" :). and to everyone defending this plug-in, if this piece of shit plugin was any good you would have to defend it.