REVISED Coturn CT-01 portable vinyl record player - Worth the premium? (RE-UPLOADED)

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The Coturn CT-01 is a premium portable rechargeable bluetooth-equipped vinyl record player I first reviewed in 2021. The one I tested back then had some issues. I now have a newer version that promises to resolve these problems. Time to do some tests.
RE-UPLOADED - This video has been re-uploaded in order to revise the tracking force tests to show the accurate result for a spring loaded tonearm. Originally I thought the arm was weighted rather than sprung, and as a result used the incorrect technique to measure the tracking force. The results now are approximately 0.5g less. So not a massive difference to what I got before but I didn't want to leave the video with inaccurate information. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Because subscribers already got a notification for the first upload, I turned the notification option off for this re-up as I don't want to spam people.
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00:00 The story so far
03:39 Hands-on
04:47 Speed/W&F Tests
09:19 Portability & practicality
11:46 REVISED Tracking force measurements
14:31 Audio demo
15:11 Headphone out
15:56 Feature comparison
17:33 Coturn 2021 vs 2023
18:53 Round-up
20:49 Patreon credits
Note - this video is Not a ‘paid promotion’.
I paid for my first CT-01 on Kickstarter, I then paid £75 import duty to receive a non-functioning replacement and then finally I've paid another £95 duty to receive the one shown here. I’m returning my non-functioning one. So at the end, I’m left with one turntable, which I paid for.
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@bellycuda Год назад

A Techmoan video, more anticipated than the Superbowl commercials!

@jackimhoff6767 Год назад

Sports suck

@ConstantThrowing Год назад

Stopped being recommended your videos, and started getting spammed with suggestions of users I don't watch and aren't subscribed to. Glad I found my way back!

@smwsmwsmw Год назад

This video is a perfect demonstration of why spring loaded tonearms are not used on better quality turntables; you usually find them combined with inexpensive ceramic cartridges with sapphire styli. Even if the tracking force on a spring balanced arm was right on the money at the correct height, the problem is that many records are not perfectly flat, and a radial warp would cause the tracking force to vary from too high to too low throughout the rotation of the record.

@BG101UK Год назад

Those were my thoughts as well. Also, I'd expect this to be even worse with record changers! The old BSR ones usually had spring-loaded tonearms.

@smwsmwsmw Год назад

@@BG101UK Ooh, good point. That completely slipped my mind.

@beefchicken Год назад

Constant force springs are a thing.

@DeathMayBeYourSantaClausz Год назад

Yeah but it does mean you can play the record on an uneven surface, which is much more likely to be the case with a portable player. My Ion IPT-01 can play a record while fully vertical because of the sprung arm. These are not "better quality" turntables and are not intended to be

@smwsmwsmw Год назад

@@DeathMayBeYourSantaClausz Maybe, but you're not getting the correct stylus pressure.

@thatonealk4007 Год назад

Issues aside, the industrial design of this thing is a joy to behold. I hope the team behind this product keeps working on improving it because this design alone deserves it. Great video as usual and have a nice week

@BanCorporateOwnedHouses Год назад

It seems like this company, Coturn, at least wants to continue to improve their product, and is taking proactive steps at continuing to squish any issues you may have had. Hell, the Sound Burger competition may speed up their efforts too.

@Kalvinjj Год назад

Kudos for them to keep the 18650 cells on sockets. That's great for repairability, given batteries WILL at one point degrade, and a standard size like that, not soldered even, is just the best option bar none. Sure... A separate door for that alone would be better but only marginally, considering it opens up with screws only and then you also access the belt, another thing easy to access and replace. And yes the headphone jack is very welcome as well.

@pomonabill220 Год назад

I did hear the sound problems, but they were not at all annoying to me. Thank you for the review. I, too, would prefer the sound burger and work around the shortcomings.

@Hagemann666 Год назад

As a child of the 1980s I really enjoy the content of your videos. You talk about the things that I lusted after in my youth and you show how they work, take them apart and repair them...all the stuff that makes my audio geek eyes light up. But you're also up-to-speed on modern technologies so you're able to straddle the worlds of the 1980s and 90s and the world of today, which is perfect for devices like the Coturn CT-01 and the Sound Burger. Keep up the fantastic work!

@Daniel-79 Год назад

That’s good of you to revise your video. I have nothing against Coturn and I’m sure 4g tracking force won’t chew up your records. With that in mind, a 450gbp turntable should track within the cartridge specs. Coturn needs to have a quality standard or they’ll never survive.

@SydneyDrums Год назад

Even with slight imperfections in sound you still make some of the greatest content on RU-vid, I always look forward to a new video from you Matt and have done for years now.

@spicynachohaggis7756 Год назад

I appreciate your efforts to get out the best information you can ,thank you.

@eschultzz Год назад

Fantastic as always, thank you for your videos, I look forward to them every week!

@StephenBoyd21 Год назад

I admire your dedication to the art of tracking force measurement. I'm not watching the whole video twice but I did find the "corrected" bit.

@okbanlon Год назад

Very nice video! I appreciate your attention to detail and your desire to dig deep into the technical issues and comparisons! Very, very well done!

@a1white Год назад

That’s proper dedication that you were made aware of a potential issue, so you took it down and reshot the segment to get a more accurate reading.

@wesleytownsend8214 Год назад

I watched the first upload and was typing a comment when the video was set to private. lol so this was what my original comment going to be. Also your content and dedication to being factual and honest is refreshing. Thank you for being you! My original comment was that I am a retired electrical engineer and when you commented about your sound quality problems, (I didn’t notice any but...) I was thinking that we had a lot of issues a few years ago with interference of LED lights with wireless equipment here in the US. It was just a thought. That may have just been our problem here in the states but I know it was a nightmare for us to figure out. It did not effect all wireless equipment but was a major issue on 30% or more wireless modules. I enjoy all your content and look forward to everything you publish. I wish you all the very best of health and happiness to you and your families!

@Ranimetion Год назад

i must say the sound quality on either device is surprisingly good. Warm rich sounds from such small devices. Nice video, dispite the mic issues!

@PowerSynopsis Год назад

I wondered what had happened to the original. I had watched it half way through before i had to leave for work this morning and when I got home the video was gone. Glad I can finish it now.

@acertainshape Год назад

I was halfway through when you took it down. Glad it's back so I can finish.

@TonyBanks21 Год назад

Another fantastic product,featured on your channel !! Will look forward to more of the same,in the future !!

9 месяцев назад

Thank you for sharing your great video. These things are imposible to get in Argentina with 400% inflation so you help us to admire what is to live in a normal country. Cheers from Patagonia

@Jimyjames73 Год назад

Always enjoy watching your vids Mat (Even thou it was a REVISED RE-UPLOAD) the sound (even thou I did notice it a bit) was not a problem!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂

@NessAmiibo Год назад

thanks for the extra work you took to reupload this. I know it took all day! Cheers

@45oldies10 Год назад

Good you revisited the part of the weight section Matt. I still think 4 grams is not an issue with this cartridge though. I wasn't aware, as yourself obviously that this device used a spring loaded arm. Great Video again.

@amaruqlonewolf3350 Год назад

My man literally re-uploaded the video itself with the fixed error, what a lad.

@ridokilos-actual Год назад

I missed the memo on the sound burger. Thanks for the update!

@Selrisitai Год назад

I got a notification for it despite watching it this morning. Doesn't bother me, I'm actually glad to get the additional information.

@GPUtest Год назад

What is happening with youtube? I literally can't find this video in my subscription box...and what a gem it is!

@fmphotooffice5513 Год назад

Another excellent presentation. I remember saying a year ago there must have been a fistfight in a conference room somewhere the day after the Techmoan review. Today I would pay the premium price for this one over the Soundburger if I were in the market for one of them. (I digitize my LPs on the first play. In analog days I would record them on reel-to-reel or a high-end cassette. machine.)

@michaelfavreau7617 Год назад

Excellent episode. I want the Coturn but I will buy the Soundburger. The price difference is too obvious to ignore. And by the time I pay in Canadian funds and shipping, it will be a dear amount already. Great channel by the way

@jofridz Год назад

Tip top review. Thanks again for the wonderful video Matt!!!

@darrenerickson1288 Год назад

What? Deliberately not watch a video from Techmoan? Parish the thought! Oh, and the sound issues were not that bad, I think you did a great job with editing. Thanks for posting!

@user-sf6ny1qx9z Год назад

Very pleasant to hear Mat. With All The Best Wishes for you and your family- hajimurad from dagestan.

@donmoore7785 Год назад

With some research, it became obvious that the force generally needs to be measured at the exact height of record suface. I thought that your scale might be designed to mimic the thickness of a record, and you are supposed to use it right on the platter. But the platter of the CT-01 is quite small. It does look like the force still is too high based on your testing. Kudos on the quick edit and reupload. Hopefully COTURN will be back to comment.

@needfortweed8734 Год назад

Sound Burger is coming back? That IS good news. I have a very neat Klipsch The Three that would pair of beautifully with the Sound Burger as a space saving and slick package...

@citydude59 Год назад

Another steady and good video from you as usual techmoan

@matthewcb1970 Год назад

Great video, Matt. Love your reviews.

@mrb692 Год назад

Third time’s the charm, excited to finally see this video!

@jonnymccall9782 Год назад

Nice to see the Fidelio X2HR headphones in this. I’ve Been using them every day for about two years and adore them.

@raulfantauzzi7547 Год назад

Thank you for explanation of these devices ... Your keen honesty makes you a celeberty in my home ... I am amazed on how patient you are ...i was wondering if those devices have a built in speaker ? ... Any way thank you. ... Much love and respect ...

@guessundheit6494 Год назад

229 Euros for the Soundburger? Cripes, I should buy some and sell them online. They're selling for NTD$5800 in Taiwan, which is only 179 Euros. I bought my "portable" record player (Numark PT-01 Scratch) for it's compactness and use in a tiny apartment, not to carry around. Those two look good, but somehow don't look as sturdy.

@JeSuisUnePatate Год назад

Great vid - Little sound issues aren't that bad for me; the review and content is way more important and I really appreciate it! I have and use the new Sound Burger since two months now and I LOVE IT ! I can't tell if the speed changed over time as I don't have what you got for testing, but my ears are happy... :) Looking at the Coturn, it looks awesome too, but I'm a bit concerned about the arm over time. Like you demonstrated it, but also the push/release/push/closing mechanism that I'm a bit afraid over the usage and years to come... I might be totally wrong tho. I really like that there's a competitor tho! I'm wondering if AudioTechnica will improve the 2022 SB version (probably eh?). PS: Let the notifications on as I almost missed this video ;)

@CtrlOptDel Год назад

Mister Taylor, you have shown your quality, sir - the very highest.

@SpikeKastleman Год назад

Oh hey! I was watching this last night and wondered why I couldn't find it earlier today.

@georgebliss964 Год назад

Thanks for the further investigation, which certainly removes much head scratching, wondering how such little overhang behind the pivot could possibly counterbalance all that mass in front of the pivot.

@freemanconnell8134 Год назад

Interesting about the tracking force, thanks for the update.

@dm1i Год назад

If it's a spring-loaded arm, it's probably possible to adjust the force without adding a weight to it.

@HooverTuber Год назад

I love the appearing disappearing reappearing feature, highly underrated 😂

@angrydove4067 Год назад

Are you kidding? I have heard too many RU-vid videos where I could not understand the speaker, despite technical difficulties, I could hear you perfectly, Mat. And my hearing sucks. True Techmoan fans will watch anyway!

@tableseven8133 Год назад

You all might already know this but the wow and flutter can often be made better by simply making sure your record is on the table 100% centered. My point is that the center peg might not be exact, or maybe a bit wobbly, the record center hole might be a bit off. So carefully put your needle on the record and watch it, if it go back and forth / side to side you will have more wow, so you have to tap the record on the edge gently until you have no more side to side swing.

@mRahman92 Год назад

Oh man, I can't wait to come back to this video during the Spring of 2023 and potentially comment on there being a headphone socket on the 2023 Sound Burger!

@theol1044 Год назад

What immediately kills this thing for me, disregarding the price, is that straight tonearm without any offset for the cartridge. It's sad to see that the fundamentals of turntable desing seem do get increasingly forgotten (for the looks?). Just look at the AT for comparison.

@johni1842 Год назад

If you look closely, the cartridge is mounted on a slight angle to the tonearm. So there was some thought and design considered here...

@theol1044 Год назад

@@johni1842 That's what I had been asking myself, and for that reason I now had another look at the company's home page. It was there that it dawned on me: Not only *is* the cartridge dead-straight on the photos there, this is also an underhung tonearm (effective lenght of the arm shorter than pivot-spindle distance), as can clearly be seen in the video from 10:42. An underhung tonearm is a fundamentally flawed design in itself, and only good for 'turntablism'.

@alzamonart Год назад

This has been a very welcome video as I'm considering adding a budget record player to my home office (I have a larger audio rig, but no space for it at my HO). The Coturn is definitely more stylish and sophisticated in design than the SB, but can't bring myself to plunk almost 500€ (plus import) for such a thing. As long as my records don't get destroyed anything is ok with me (I'm used to tracking forces of 2.5g or less)... I think I'd rather go find some used thing on eBay. xD

@Tee2000DE 9 месяцев назад

A useful gadget when traveling to places where there is no player for vinyl records. Thanks.

@CptnKremmen Год назад

If you hadn't have mentioned the sound problems, I don't think I would have noticed them; as it is I had forgot about the sound issues until you mentioned them a the end.

@richardedaniels Год назад

Listening to these videos with headphones is more enjoyable.

@anthonylipke7754 11 месяцев назад

I came to find this because I still had the original tab open. I really hate losing my history when things are taken down. I just wish everything could be archived forever. Guess I should finally watch this and close the tab now.

@TheAntibozo Год назад

Very enjoyable video! Even a bit of drama with crashing the stylus around! ;^)

@DIYTAYSEERworld Год назад

And also the weight calculation is for improving the sound quality, less concerned about damaging the record or the stylus. If weight is more the stylus won't be able to more freely so you have to compromise on the higher notes.. And if the weight is too less then the stylus will not be able to follow the Grove..all MM cartridges are limited to less weight 5grms or less..

@Ricecooker64 Год назад

I think it's design is super cool! It really shows what the soundburger could have been if it was made today!

@ianrobertson2634 Год назад

The Soundburger is being made today.

@carlhartwell7978 Год назад

Also, *its. Though I do agree, it's a better designed product.

@Ricecooker64 Год назад

@@ianrobertson2634 I know that, but this design was made in the current age, the new one is very similar to the 80s one.

@Ricecooker64 Год назад

@@carlhartwell7978 It it nice and sleek!

@CptJistuce Год назад

It's funny, because I prefer the design of the Soundburger. I'm tired of featureless black slabs with touch-sensitive "buttons" that just leave me mashing at random patches of glass.

@lookoutleo Год назад

i hope the coturn gets things sorted out as its very slick looking , reminds me of bang and olifson from the 70s

@josephmiller5429 Год назад

Thanks for reminding me of this thing. Cancelled my audioTechnica backorder that's been sitting for months now and bought this thing instead. I'd rather support their efforts in improving this design than continue to wait for who knows how long for AT to deliver something that doesn't have all the features people asked for and I especially don't want to pay someone 100% markup on ebay for one they preordered to sell.

@zetacrucis681 3 месяца назад

That flywheel wobble though!! 17:53

@m9ovich785 Год назад

Thanks Again Matt. Great Video. Mike M.

@TraxFour Год назад

The specs with my spare ATN3600L show the tracking force as 3.0 to 4.0 g (3.5 g standard)

@constantiu Год назад

Another important difference between the Soundburger and Coturn is that while the first has adopted the normal overhang, the latter is underhung which makes me wonder how does it behave in terms of distortion...

@bryede Год назад

Yes, I noticed the apparent lack of overhang and cartridge offset angle which means the tracking error is going to be very high on the Coturn.

@roflo77 Год назад

You can hear it in the sound comparison. Illustrates how important that factor is, considering they use the same cartridge (even with tracking force differences)

@kennethhymes9734 6 месяцев назад

Great video as usual, despite the microphone clickety. Given the non-1982-ness we find ourselves in... what is the use case for these things? As a piece of design it is pretty awesome, and the specs seem surprisingly good. But I am trying to picture a person with this and some records under their arm on their way to... where? It's not just the tech that has changed, but our whole relationship with recorded music and each other.

@realzneo Год назад

Sound being bad, just reminds us how good it is in all you other videos!! Thanks you for making great stuff!! Also the sound was not that bad.

@av_oid Год назад

“The Event”? Nice That Mitchell and Webb Look reference. Remain indoors!

@eskwadrat Год назад

Techmoan is "technology Sir David Attenborough". With his calming, pleasant voice he takes me back in time to place where life was simpler, place when I was young and still amazed.

@NezuChan Год назад

This video didn't land in my sub box. Was it because the notification was turned off on your end? Oh well, glad I caught it. Not in the market for a turntable, but I like the Burger.

@NezuChan Год назад

That's exactly it. I was still expecting it in my sub box though.

@rault4 Год назад

Did anyone else notice during the audio test that the stereo panning doesn't quite line up between the two devices? It's as if the audio from the Coturn has been slightly re-balanced to the left (i.e. the right channel sounds quieter on the Coturn than on the Sound Burger)

@martinda7446 Год назад

Really they are both novelty players. As someone who has designed and built turntables and set up thousands over forty years, I can confidently say, re. performance differences between these two, don't worry about it.

@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 Год назад

the AT is far from a novelty player. It's well designed and constructed portable dependable player.. at least the original one is. You designed and built turntables? for what company? Or are you talking building plinth that you drop off the shelf components into... that's different than what I think you're trying to say. Maybe you can show your audience what you built (thousands) over all those years. I'm sincerely interested in what you're referring to. Let's see some examples.

@andymouse Год назад

Sounds like good common sense to me. Thanks.

@andymouse Год назад

@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 You start out with an opinion then proceed to tear the bloke apart, why ? and I think in the Turnable world they would be classed as a 'novelty' I mean "Sound Burger" WTF is that all about. So let's see your credentials then.

@Murdock777 Год назад

If I remember the soundburger had a line out, so technically you can buy a small portable headphone amp and used with headphones, not as elegant or sleek, but it works, and I bet it still costs less than the other player

@joetheman74 Год назад

Improved frequency response on the burger. Especially noticeably on the bass end. Could be the difference in the tracking force and tracking angle.

@mikewilliams6323 Год назад

As I have said in the previous video made a year ago, my only grip with this one is that as I listen to film score music where the sound can be gradual at start of tracks, I would worry this would just switch off!

@warci Год назад

3.5 for mine (was 5 when I first measured). I wonder if we can overstretch the spring a little to compensate

@cemmy410 Год назад

While I appreciate the thought in not wanting to spam people, I do wish you would have left the notification on for subscribers! I've been busy lately so the original video was in my watch later, marked as "private video", and I only realized what it was by searching for the video ID and happening upon a cached page somewhere with the title. Then I had to go to the channel and find it there. Had that cached page not existed I never would have realized I missed a techmoan video!

@ArruVision Год назад

Did not see it coming, that in 2023, there’d be competition in the Sound Burger market 🎉

@Steril707 Год назад

This thing looks so tempting...

@alvarosundfeld Год назад

That’s the video I was waiting for

@MrBamboeman Год назад

So adjusting needlepressure is not possible i presume... was thinking of buying one to take with me to elderly people who sold their hifi but not their records just wanted to make them enjoy their own records once again with bluetooth headphones.... so i really would like to spend the E400.... but not wanting to ruin their records with 4.5 gram needle pressure makes me hesitate. Thanks for the review👍

@Josh-qf6ly 8 месяцев назад

i just bought the sound burger. i wish they had just added a way to adjust volume for the line out and bluetooth directly on the product, but i am gonna get it in this saturday. that being said the coturn is very sleek and more portable than the soundburger, but the price is too premium for me, sick design if it was a better price point i would definetly consider cause both of these are perfect for when you are out and about and digging.

@briangoldberg4439 Год назад

I wonder if you can change the tracking force by altering the spring. Or changing it out?

@ziggarillo Год назад

So if it's a spring loading issue, doesn't that allow for an easier fix?

@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 Год назад

it's nice this cheaper player has the ability to swap an AT cart - .. those spring loaded arm players are ancient tech..they work well in most cases but you'll never get the same tracking force from one to another.. it's a bit random due to the nature of the spring they used and the physical nature of it. The spring arms also have a tendency to fly off the record with high amplitude cut recordings - like a disco or hip hop 12". at least in my experience.. i always have to put a penny on the head.

@WolfiesDen0827 Год назад

The speed issue with the Sound Burger may have been due to temperature, the cheaper adjustable pots are sensitive to temperature differences and can move due to changes such as storage in a colder environment or warmer environment.

@jjcaruso44 Год назад

Isn't the wow and flutter a function of the concentricity of the grooves to the spindle. Most vinyl grooves are not concentric to the center hole and you can see that by watching the tonearm sway back and forth. Would that show up on both those players as an incorrect measurement? Thanks so much for your videos. - John

@DrAppalling Год назад

If you want to reduce the tracking force a little you could trim off plastic from the stylus mount and remove the stylus guard.

@inverse_of_zero Год назад

i don't use/listen to records, and even if i did, i doubt i'd use a portable player. but *if* i did, i'd probably go with the coturn. the aptx and headphone out are nice-to-haves, but the build quality and form factor are what do it for me. at around half the thickness it just looks so much more portable

@loboptlu Год назад

Hi have one coturn of the newer batch with the new mainboard and i use it at work;) . Works great the transport case is great , and sounds great with aptx headphones and portable speakers , sounds ok with no aptx stuff. And honestly the build quality and material would make it a lot more expensive if audio technika made it . Tested it with a 3150 khz record and 0.1% flutter . Honestly would love if sony would remake its portable one with the linear head and adding bt;).

@Boojakascha Год назад

liked it, thanks a lot, Mat! :D

@chrishodgkinson523 Год назад

I wonder what is causing the speed issues in the sound burger when playing 45s? I will probably buy a sound burger when they come back out in the spring as it's a lot cheaper and I assume you have to pay import duties on the Coturn. Great video, and I didn't have an issue with the sound. Thanks

@erwintimmerman6466 Год назад

Probably a faulty pot. All things that are easily adjusted with small analog screw pots depend heavily on the quality of that pot

@davidblakeslee3732 Год назад

Do we know that the sound burger that hits retail shelves will be exactly the same as the limited edition? They very well might throw a headphone jack onto it before going into production

@twocvbloke Год назад

Oh, I actually noticed the audio issues from the mic this time, the way youtube works sometimes on my laptop, it stutters the audio sometimes (usually when browsing ebay for some reason), and it sounds kinf of like that mic issue...

@djdoo Год назад

Still the sound burger seems a much better choice to me. Spring loaded tonearms as already mentioned in the comments is not a good design let alone for a turntable with a minimal platter like these, and also as you demonstrate a very slight difference in height makes a big difference in tracking force so wobbly records will have various pressure values throughout their surface so it is a no for me. Cheers from Greece.

@thierrycola Год назад

Any mention on the quality of the pre-amps on these things? Is there a phono out? or just line? Im asking beause id like to plug these into my mixer and bypass the preamps which are probably not great quality... but just wondering if any of you had any comments on the ones built in.

@DirtBikeBoy5ive Год назад

4:03 caught me off guard, I was *not* expecting a Tesla door handle

@StevenS757 Год назад

Since the tone arm is spring loaded, is it possible to access the spring and increase the tension on it, possibly by moving the loop up a bit? that could make it so you can adjust the tracking force yourself. I've seen people do something similar on other spring loaded tone arms

@WolfiesDen0827 Год назад

Some spring loaded tone arms have a tracking adjustment screw that changes the tension on the tone arm spring.

@TheStevenWhiting Год назад

12:18 The reason why we love your videos. Any device given for review (I know this one wasn't, you paid for it) is CLEARLY marked (unlike other people do) and is honest. And then we have this, actually explaining why a video has been re-uploaded. The openness of this channel is why I continue to watch, even if not interested in audio, you just have a habit/skill of making the videos interesting.