Revisiting Original Xbox Backward Compatibility on the Xbox 360 - Run ALL Original Xbox Games | MVG 

Hugo Jasach Verdugo Quintero "Just when I think you couldn't come up with a lamer name, you do this.... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!" Haha

all i gotta say is, why change the name, Fusion is an interesting name.

mgs2 substance ran very poorly on the OG xbox in the rain sections. not an emulation issue at all.

but everyone knows that ps4 is better than XBOX1. i rather play my xbox 360 more than my XBOX1. xbox 360 has the greatest memories.

+Ben Keith I'm pretty sure the rain areas ran slowly even on ps2.

Yeah, the game was optimized for PS2 hardware that was perfect for that exact rain.

I don't remember if it was on PS2 or the remaster on PS3, but I remember that slowdown on these consoles too.

@@cheshirekershaw I don't doubt that Sony had special "Rain Enhancing Hardware" at least in planning stages.

@@spokehedz this hardware is the fill rate that was very fast on the console. That's why in Silent Hill 2 the fog is the best on PS2. That's why rain in MGS2 didn't cause trouble like for Xbox and PC. Fill rate is great for these purposes. What it allows you to do is put many effects without slowing down the console, so, even layering of screen filling transparencies is not a big challenge.

@@spokehedz You do realize that devs get development kits years before the console is gold to go to retail

Blasts Mods no shit

@@nickabbott319 none?

@@adventureguide4725 Not even a morsel mate

Okay

I don't know why anyone, ever, in any "timeline" would think that suit looked good...ugghhhh...I remember watching in 2005 and thinking the same thing! haha

Same bro!

I wish I had known about that Xbox when it was new

@@ohnoitschris I have it man, it’s awesome after this years.

Mr. SEA ya tons of good games i loved the console

That was present in the N64 release years before.

EPiK DJ yet they we're still compatibility with PS1 games

Brandon Lee PS1 backwards compatibility was done in software on both the PS2 and PS3 I believe.

EPiK DJ to me i rather have ps2 software emulation on ps3 than to not play any ps2 game at all. just saying

fact check - Sony fanboys are incapable of handling ANY form of criticism leveled at their corporate masters. They caught this disease from Nintendo fanboys, I suspect.

BINARYGOD What? No-one was actually criticizing or defending anything, just stating facts.

This.

I have to say as an owner of several original xbox games and several xbox 360 games, the emulation is up to speed; I have yet to see bugs and glitches.

I cant get Burnout 3 to work on the Xbox 360. It keeps saying, unrecognized disc. Tried on multiple Xbox 360s. Any help or suggestions?

thanks man! its likely because your partition 2 wasn't set up right. People tend to overlook this step and just copy the emulator files

It's funny to see you here MrMario2011 after binge watching a lot of your videos lol

MrMario2011 could one of y'all do a how to video

@@ModernVintageGamer So the Xbox 360 doesn't actually read and play the game off the original Xbox discs?

@@rcyoung86 It does. Stick the disc in and play.

Totally Beyond Me Time to watch it again

That big BC reveal was a joke.. There are like 30, 40 games and they stopped adding new ones..

@@TheRealJohnHooper Yeah I feel the same as both of you do. Think of games like JSR Future, Rallisport Challenge 2 and so many others greats all running in high res.

I had forgotten how massive the 360 OG compatibility was (500 titles). I wonder why they don't port their impressive dynarec method to One and SX? Is it mostly about licensing, where they want to make sure each approved title can be sold in their store or be on Gamepass?

@@GLAAAAAR Ironically, One & Series have more in common with the original Xbox than the 360, due to 360 being the only one using a PowerPC architecture, so there's just a lot less to emulate overall. So, no dynarec necessary. So therefore it should be trivial to add new games to One & Series. (Well, maybe dynarec for the GPU actually, but that's the biggest hurdle when it comes to Xbox emulation anyway)

Yea man like Scarface

Lmao clearly ur a kid the Xbox360 may be older then you but it's far from older then RU-vid you tubes older then the first Xbox

wargodsix youtube launched Feb 2005.

RU-vid launched in 2005. So did the Xbox 360. 2005 == 2005

the Xbox 360 is 13 and blossoming into a woman, have some respect

just about, but old doesn't mean you can't play anything on it. i prefer to play on the previous two console generations.

Its a complete utter shame they removed it. If they kept it i reckon it would have continued to sell because almost everyone owned a ps2

@@callmexxjacobxx The EE+GS chip (along with the entire 32MB RDRAM cluster which was perfectly copied) on the original PS3 motherboard was essentially an expensive dead weight when PS2 emulation wasn't running (as opposed to the IOP aka the PS1 CPU on the PS2, which was used for I/O and was fully programmable for game devs). It was therefore the obvious choice to remove it with the first PAL release, keeping the GS in place which eventually got canned as well. Note that the PS3 launched at a MSRP of $499 (still selling at a whopping loss of around $300), while the 360 retailed at $279 at the time (selling at only a tiny loss), so Sony was desperate to cut down on costs to decrease their losses and allow for a lower price point. Backwards compatibility would have remained in situ if SCEI actually allowed developers to access the EE+GS as a coprocessor while in PS3 mode (while causing nightmares for the financial department *and* further complicating game development)

Your wish has been granted.

@@majorgear1021 a lot of progress in 5 years eh?

@@LukeLunn Yep! I don’t know how well it would run, but people have installed Xenia on Xbox Series S/X consoles. I haven’t gone that far. My Series X has problems with emulating 6th gen consoles like ps2 and gamecube. So I only play 5th gen and earlier games on it.

RogueAgent4 just go to Digital Foundry if you want a video about that, their videos on the Xbox One backwards compatibility are pretty good.

RogueAgent4 does anyone know how i can play my damned old ass game!? I got a cool Call of Cthulhu game at a pawnshop after hunting online, yet my 360 suddenly got an update when i went to a friends house w it to play. (I live in a brick shithole w no wifi or net. ) Now i cant play this game. How do i get the update off my 360!?

Also, I'm kinda tech-tarded, so if u know the help, be kind n dumb down 4 me. Not a programmer by any means. Computers still took tapes u turned to side 2 when i was in 6th grade...😬

@@johnzig1386 you Cant downgrade your 360.

@@motoemnk3839 i was just hoping for a way to clear the updates off it so i can play it again. Xbox has a thing on their site, but it didnt work. And the code for backwards compat is still on the machine, this damned update is blocking it.

great post, thank you - im curious, which emulators have you developed?

I worked for years on RPCS3 (PS3 emulator) during 2013-2015 and then started my own PS3 emulator named Nucleus, just to experiment with few ideas regarding CPU binary translation like the endian translation omission, among other things. Now I'm developing a low-level PS4 emulator named Orbital, but it's still far away from playable games. :-)

alexaltea123 wow dude, keep up the good work! Really impressive stuff! it reads like Chinese too me lol, thank goodness for people like you so people like me can enjoy emulators!

I hope you have a nice day writing this emulator. I'm really interested in the emulation scene, even with 14 years old, but let me finish my CHIP-8 emulator first xD.

i have and yeah i notice that too. especially at night time. Also i tried some of the arcade games and trying to play Hang On froze my system. they definitely let some games fall through the cracks in terms of quality over others

Fingers crossed the mythical HD remake of Shenmue 1 & 2 is actually released. I could really do with playing them both again before Shenmue 3 is released but don't own any of the hardware to play the originals. Tried Demul but it never seems to remember my saves (or I don't know how to use it!) :-(

A similar glitch happens in Psychonauts. If you pause with Raz (your character) in the center of the screen, his outfit changes to the background color of the pause menu until you exit to the dashboard.

Panzer Draoon Orta is also on the official list but the Xbox 360 will crash at the second stage every time, for me :(. Though some say it runs fine. Anyone else have trouble with it?

Red Dead Revolver is pretty much unplayable. Also we never got the OTOGI games BC. :(

Well, on the PAL versions it was software-emulation. Wouldn't affect hardware costs, however the software emulation was removed with a firmware update released in april 2010, along with the OtherOS-support.

Hey Jerome VV, how about you do your research before you call bullshit on someone: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AOBixPfYl3o.html

I'm done arguing with you. I gave you a source and you act like a child. I just forgot to put one when I first typed the comment. I've since corrected my mistake and I apologize for not adding it at first. As for the source itself, DYKG is one of the most credible sources for information relating to gaming facts. If it wasn't, I doubt they wouldn't have been able to get some people known for having good knowledge pertaining to gaming (Lazy Game Reviews, JonTron, Caddicarus, ect.). As I said, I'm done arguing with you so please go annoy someone else. Goodbye.

the PS3 also had some hardware issues besides manufacturing costs, so those are the two reasons they removed it. people also forget that the PS3 also had a PS1 emulator, when you combine that with the PS2 emulator, that's alot of information. i was around 7 when my parents bought me the PS2 for Christmas in 2002, so when the PS3 and 360 came around, i told my parents not to sell my PS2. so when the prices started to come down, my mom bought me the 360 in 2008. i saved some money myself and the following year in 2009, i bought the PS3 Slim. i don't believe in trading a console for a new one, so in this generation i don't believe in the Xbox One X or PS4 Pro. i have the Xbox One S and PS4.

Jerome VV Raven James I still have all my older consoles. Been mainly playing my Xbox One S along with my PC. This is how gaming should be. You play on all platforms regardless what others have to say. Gaming is gaming regardless what you game on. Sadly I've never owned or seen a Sega console in person. ):

You should double check the official Xbox list for Xbox 360. I've already made a comment that the 360 is officially compatible with Street Fighter Anniversary Collection.

lol Activision was really bad about it too. GUN, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, and TH Project 8 were all on both Xbox and 360, and of course, the Xbox versions never worked on the 360 officially. thanks bobby

In emulation, a bit to bit perfect sound translation is difficult at best. However, there might have been a way and it comes from the arcade emulator called MAME. Some of the audio files have not been CPU and soundcard translatable, so they resorted to "samples" they are audio files that fill in for the missing sound bytes. Microsoft could have updated the backwards emulation with a simple settings page and either added slightly lower quality sound files for the sounds they could not get to work well, or even allow the user to simply set a bit rate for the sound output. Say like instead of CD quality audio at 44k, you could opt for half that 22k or even lower to improve performance. A PC with a sound card has always had that ability. They could offer it on consoles but opt not to. There are a LOT of performance tweaks that would have helped sound, video, or other performance issues. What gets me is that the PowerPC is actually a Cyrix Processor before they were bought by IBM. So the Cyrix Processor was x86 compatible, therefore it stands to reason most of the instruction sets and command calls for x86 are also compatible with the Cyrix chip. Looks like on the fly translation. The Cyrix ignored the commands that were identical with the XBox Classic Pentium III as the Cyrix is a PC Compatible chip so it seems it only concentrated on the commands and instructions that were different between the two and assigned graphics and mathematical calculations to the Power PC's available multithreads. Seems then they many of the problems could have been surmounted if Microsoft had added at least another 512Mb or more of RAM as a cache for when the backwards compatibility was used, or additional video coprocessing to handle the graphics while freeing up the Power PC to handle other tasks.

Do OG Xbox games require PAL 60 when playing in 360? Or is standard 50 pal ok to play them

Michael Oglesby Money

The issue more than likely came from the fact that being a newcomer to the console space, they didn't think to buy the manufacturing rights for the OG Xbox chipsets so they could have other parties other than Intel/NVidia make them. NVidia was actually the reason the OG Xbox had a short life instead of continuing to offer it through the early years of the 360 like Sony did with the PS2. NVidia decided they weren't going to make anymore of the GPUs for the Xbox even though Microsoft wanted to. They eventually worked out a deal to emulate specific NVidia APIs for games that specifically used them liked Splinter Cell.

money. the ps3 was 600 bucks at launch because it had ps2 hardware in it, where as the 360(with out hdd) was only 299 at launch.

Michael Oglesby Michael Oglesby so it was money, you can't argue because they didn't even have wifi built in or hd dvd which was a big miss and contributed to the fat L it took compared to ps3 being a blu ray player all in one with wifi. But it kept the price down, the other issue we saw first hand was the original ps3 which played ps2 games and had ps2 chipset built in, causing more heat and more problems unfortunately. Ps3 continued to play ps1 games which is nice but no 6th gen shit unlike 360 which i rarely ever used for xbox games because well i STILL use my original xbox for it. It's just better for it. Unless all you have is hdmi than you're using a 360 or eventually xbox one when they get the xbox BC expanded.

I suspect that Microsoft cant shoulder more losses on each console sold.Sony included ps2 hardware with NTSC launch PS3s only to backpedal and removing the PS2 CPU with the Eu launch and finally dropping ps2 support with subsequent ps3 revisions.Sony took about 4 years before it came out with an emulator used in the PS2 classic

ive heard about this but never really tried it - ill definitely check it out. thanks!

h h Jet Grind 📻

@Abysmal Horrors The few people that read his comment and like it that's who.

List is better but not the emulation itself. For Xbox one Microsoft made sure that all the bc games worked perfect or better while the 360 bc is far from perfect

The games that do not work likely made use a part of the original console that was not emulated properly due to either the particular function not being needed by the games the emulator was designed for or was broken by a fix for one of the games they developed the emulator for

"Eww a brony in 2018"

The Developer what is wrong with. That

I put it in quotation marks meaning its sarcasm.

EpicLPer A brony in 2018 what are you gay?

Probably HDMI

PS5 is bigger lol now lol.

But if people already own the game it doesn't matter because it's using the disk and not a digital version of the game

Well emulation is never perfect and MS did not bothered to update the emulator that why so many games run like ass in the xbox 360, the complete opposite of how MS handled the BC on the xbox one.

At least they made sure Halo and Halo 2 worked properly.

@RetroGamer 64 they got it working properly on Xbox One. I play ooriginal Xbox games all the time one Xbone.

@RetroGamer 64 The Wii U can't play GC games. The Wii can though.

@@NobleS1236 and they never removed halo ce from whitelist,when halo cea came out.But halo 2 original is not in xbox one whitelist,maybe because of mcc.

Not Officially, but if you jtag your Xbox 360 and never connect it to the Internet...you can install Digital OG Xbox Games and some Digital 360s Game Files in it. You can make a Library depending on your Hard Drive capacity.