Rhett and Link Talk About Their Friendship Struggles and Leaving Religion | Howie Mandel Does Stuff 

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@@TheeJasonReyesENOUGH WITH THE TOMATAS

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it's odd because I was one of the first people to prolly assume some of the whole "oh, they prolly are deconstructing because they moved to California" but now I find myself a few years later doing something very similar I've left organized religion for just plain spirituality I've held on to some of the old beliefs that do seem to still resonate with me during my fellowshipping with God. I do believe in God but I don't think He's the way organized religions paint Him to be. I believe He's unconditional love and doesn't condemn or judge us. I don't believe their such a place as hell either. I believe life is school where we come for our soul to learn to do things we can't in heaven because only love exists in heaven so you can't think any different or experience anything but love there. Earth is a place for us who are bored to come and experience something different imo. I've been studying a lot of NDE podcasts and stories and that stuff resonates much more than organized religion. I've gone from being raised Catholic and going to a high school run by nuns to Mormonism, and Christianity, to just plain spiritual now. I do believe in God and miracles because of my own personal experiences, miracles I've received, and testimony. I just lean into trying to be my most authentic self, lean into honesty/truth even if it stings, push to constantly learn/grow/heal/evolve, and experience/create as much unconditional love & light into the world.

I hate it lol only cuz it sucks losing a faithful but I don’t judge them at all for it obviously that would go against our whole thing 😂

be opened minded lil bro @@koolaid2koolboyy

@@koolaid2koolboyy it just sucks that a lot of religious people will hate on gays or people of other faith, but it is nice to see some religious/faithful people being more open. my best friend's mom has in the past few years have come to accept the gay community. it's been a work in progress.

They also did have a section of their fanbase that clung to them specifically because of their religious past. They were known in those circles early on. Continuing to pretend to be Christian for those people would've been inauthentic to them as well.

they still have a big mormon following that is constantly trying to convince them to "go back to family friendly good mythical morning"

This is absolutely right! Once you’re in so deep it revolves around you. I understand completely

I grew up in a family that shoved church and christianity down our throats. We went to church twice a week, Sunday school every Sunday, vocational summer school for 2 weeks a summer , and the church group 2 week camp, and then volunteering as a older kid for teaching at summer school and as a camp counselor. For the younger kids. Between baptism as a new born up through confirmation to graduation from high school. I went to church every time that was designated to attend. Once I was old enough to get a regular tax paying job. My Mom tried talking me into taking off that 4 weeks of work to attend both church camp and the 2 weeks for vocational summer school for 2 weeks . As a teen I fudged it saying I couldn’t have off for both. And if I had to I could take the 2 weeks off for one of them. But my boss would prefer if she didn’t have to cover that long. And surprisingly she didn’t make me do it my Sophomore year. And once I graduated from high school and moved out of my parents house. My church attendance dropped off slowly. Then I was married and had our kids. One spring Sunday morning. It was BEAUTIFUL outside. And our whole family was sitting around our table eating breakfast getting ready to leave for church. The kids looked so unhappy at the thought of sitting in church for a hour and then sitting in Sunday school for another hour. The the same thing for my husband. Not one of us wanted to go. And I looked over at my husband and said I really don’t feel like going to church do you. And he just looked over at me like are you serious. And I asked by a show of hands who feels like going to church? And everyone looked at me cautiously. And I said seriously I want to know because I really don’t feel like it. Now show me who wants to stay home from church. And everyone raised their hands. And I just looked over at them and said go get out of those dress clothes and put on play clothes. And they all mad dashed to their bedroom’s to change. About 5 minutes after I heard them running down the hallway and I hollered out you hung up everything didn’t you and they all turned around and went and hung up their dress clothes. And the kids ran out to the backyard to play. And my husband asked so is this a one time occurrence or what. And I just said it dawned on me. I was forced into being a church kid. And I know my husband was a church kid. And our oldest was 9 and the youngest 5 and then had been church kids. And I told my husband. I had learned to really find so many things that I questioned and didn’t fully understand. And he admitted the same. And as a teenager I was over having to attend church all the time. And he admitted to feeling the same thing. And I said I don’t want to feel angry and resentful of having to go. I would prefer to go when and if I feel like it. I don’t want to have to go. And my husband said. He agreed and said ok let’s tell the kids. Ok we aren’t going to be church every Sunday people anymore. But we have to go on Christmas and Easter and for weddings and funerals and baptisms. And the kids all agreed that worked for them. Edit: The next Saturday after we had our first making the choice not to attend. Our Pastor made a call to our house at dinner time. And I told him straight out. At our front door. I stepped out and said. We’re done. We pray at home. We follow the commandments and try to live our lives to be the best possible versions of ourselves. And I turned and walked back into our house and shut the door and locked it. Never had I ever felt so empowered. And at least once a month at some point for the next 6 months someone from the church would try to get us to come back. At that point on a Tuesday afternoon because I knew that the pastor would be there to set up for Wednesday services. And I cornered him in his office. And told him that he needs to tell the congregation to stop coming by our house to try and talk us into coming back to the church. If not I was going to go to the police station and tell them that you and the congregation are harassing us and it is scaring my children. And he just looked over at me and said he thought it might help to bring us back. And I told him. No that’s just pushing me not to ever want to step foot in his church ever again. And he said ok he will tell them to stop bothering us. And please don’t report the church. We never made it back for Christmas or Easter and we only went to weddings and funerals and baptisms at churches other then ours. And our friends that we knew from church also ended up quitting attendance after they saw all the crap the church did to my family.

It depends what church you’re involved with.

@@Idontwant1wow your story resonated with me. It’s not easy to finally stand up for what you believe and question what you’ve been told. You were straight up and protected your children, they will thank you for the choice you made that day

@@Idontwant1just curious, what do you believe about God?

What do you mean, as in you think male friendships are often surface level?

​​​​@@JonahNelson7My interpretation of what they said is that some male friendships can involve poor communication about emotions and conflict may not be dealt with from a place of love and compassion, and overly modulated by anger. It's part of the general stereotype (which is, happily, lessening these days) of men being reluctant and/or less able to talk about their emotions. In my understanding that comes largely from having been brought up to hide emotions not to appear weak, which also has the compounding effect of making such men bad at processing and communicating their emotions simply because of lack of practice - a positive feedback effect. And that Rhett and Link clearly buck this trend. Sorry for the essay lol

This is why average male testosterone levels are dropping 1% per year 😂

@@JonahNelson7no, but many of us are spending lots of time online and using our favorite people to fill in gaps in our education or learn things we didn’t learn at home-everything from cooking, to putting on makeup, to how to be a good friend. It doesn’t mean your dad didn’t have deep friendships, just you were at school and he was at work most of the time, and even if he did model close relationships, it’s good to see it online and get more experience over time.

i fully agree but i think Howie recognizes that. he said himself it was a double standard

@@aspenjames1189 But if you recognize it and still do it, that's even worse.

@@joshcarrico1210 i fully agree. i honestly couldn’t tell if he meant that he recognized that he had a double standard or he has a double standard.

Howie was a bad father. He has obviously improved, since they have a better relationship now, but he sounds like he was an absolutely terrible parent. Double standards for different children, not allowing a growing woman to have privacy by removing her door. Lets call it what it is, he was a terrible person.

Its called conditioning he may in fact recognize his own double standard but its still hard to change those perceptions and behaviors in yourself when its been ingrained in you your whole life

Kevin Smith is also in this caliber of people. One of the loveliest human beings you will meet.

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To be fair,Smosh wasn't making money... it's true what they say...go woke go broke... because all woke people do is talk about what their beliefs are and trying to impose them on others,do you think anyone wants to go home and just keep watching woke content or they want a rest from all the moral high ground every woke person lives in?

Such a pathetic world we live in. Could have Cardi B on talking about her wet ass pussy and you wouldn't need a trigger warning. Have a couple extremely decent guys simply discussing their spirituality and you need a trigger warning.

You never know when a bible thumper is gonna feel personally attacked because of things that have no bearing over their lives.

@@roguesoul6760for real. I didnt get into them till the post religion thing, it was actually a big part of why I like them. My partner is former evangelical and we watched their open conversation on it together, helped me understand her and her experience better. Knowing that community the way I do now, they for sure got tremendous pushback, and prob still do, over it. Folks dont realize how much the christian engine fuels a segment of entertainment in a very subliminal way

@@roguesoul6760 it is also helpful for those of us with religious trauma in our past. I love listening to Rhett and Link talk about their deconstruction, since I went through a very similar thing, but I sometimes need the tw to just emotionally prepare. It's traumatic to leave your whole community and sense of self behind, you know?

​@@roguesoul6760someone uploaded a 5 minutes segment of this and the religious people are going crazy in the comments

Go listen to their ear biscuits episodes on deconstruction! They each have multiple episodes and it’s incredible!

Why are you leaving the faith?

@@RandomInternetGuy11 I think of it more as evolving in my faith. I want to be more like Jesus and less like Christians.

@@caitlinbriggs3256 I’m going to make a guess you grew up in a Catholic or Orthodox church, am I correct?

@@caitlinbriggs3256 If its ok that I’m allowed to know.

He really wasn't. He was doing what's called "interviewing"

Nah, Howie was literally villainous, and trying to cause conflict, for 2 bffs/cowoerkers/business men.. evil and weird as his daughter is sitting there.

Yeah, it was upsetting to hear him say that to be honest. It seems like he views girls as this breakable porcelain that must be controlled by straight up removing their privacy because they might make bad decisions for themselves, whereas boys are these indestructible and effortless dynamos who don't need attention and care. You don't need to put any effort into parenting them, they take care of themselves! Girls, though, you need to watch all the time. Or else they might do something you don't approve of.

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That's not even remotely how that works. 2 channels can make identical content but if the tone, personality, voice, etc. isn't the same you'll always have a clear preference. Do you realize how many gaming RU-vidrs are making the exact same content? 😂

P. S. Howie you're the greatest! I grew up with Bobbies World ❤and I see how giant your heart is. Don't take my babbling to heart 😊

*Bobby's

Yeah. That sums it up really well.

Me too

Absolutely

Apostates aren't role models... they're tragedies.

@@VanessaHolguin We just don't subscribe to a coping mechanism like religious people do

@@eboone I liked the part where you called love a _"coping mechanism"_ ! That was cute 👌🏻 But that makes sense that a Godless atheist would view Christianity and everything that it is as that which you described it as. Because it is *you*, not I, that is coping with the reality that Jesus Christ is who He said He is.

​@@VanessaHolguinwhy be hateful though?

@@SozBoz I'm not sure why ebenw1815 called Christianity a coping mechanism! Oh you meant me! What, pray tell, did I say that was in any way hateful? I'd love to see what you see 😊

"like sisters" 😂

Yeah, that was gross. Parents who take doors away always make me wonder if they're just voyeuristic, even subconsciously, especially a dad with a daughter, but not sons.

of course it is. esp for girls, like you can’t even be alone/change in the privacy of your own room..

Idk i got my door taken away bc i was messy. And bc everyone could see my mess it made my embarrassed and motivated me to clean it. I guess it depends on motive

@@tesc-zn1pg How old were you? I don't really support this at any age outside of extreme circumstances (I think even a young kid needs a place to retreat to, to be mad or cry, or to get away from loud noise sometimes), but doing it to a teen is pretty awful. Teens need privacy - their bodies are changing, their hygiene needs are changing, their feelings are all over the place, and they're striving to grow into an adult while still feeling like a kid - crying at everything, getting angry easier, ect. They're having growth pains, and new cramps, and ... well we can dance around the topic, but let's be blunt - teens masturbate. It's gonna happen. Taking away their door at that time of life is a punishment centered in humiliation, and it makes me raise an eyebrow at the parent who jumps to use it for basic discipline. Your family could have taken photos of your bedroom and posted them on the fridge if they wanted to motivate you. Or a dozen other things.

My house, my rules. End of story.

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It saddens me but also peaks my interest like what on earth are they doing to these people especially the youth where so many seem to easily fall away from the church? I grew up catholic christian and literally have seen the same faces since I was a child and I’m 24 now. It just seems to be such a common thing in other Christianity churches to kinda just slowly break away where here it’s like rarely even heard of. Not to discredit any other church or praise mine just an observation I’ve noticed, most people I know who grew up Christian but aren’t anymore weren’t catholic Christians maybe that’s why people think we’re so strict😂

PLEASE LISTEN TO THEIR EAR BISCUITS PODCASTS ABOUT THEIR FAITJ DECONSTRUCTION!!! It’s so helpful you’ll feel so seen! Good luck on your journey! Years past my own deconstruction and their ear biscuits episodes helped a lot.

@@koolaid2koolboyy Rhett and Link grew up within a strongly evangelical christian church, which are typically some of the most conservative and outwardly hateful. In their podcast episodes about it they talk about it in a lot of detail, but the amount of hate their church puts out into the world, and the amount of repression they force on their followers were definitely factors in their deconstruction.

Absolutely agree. For me it was like finally waking up and realizing I didn’t really know who I am. It’s helpful to know that others have been through that journey.

I only know them at arms length, so I don’t dislike them, but they’re off-putting due to seeming weirdly overproduced. I also have a hard time with people who build themselves up on Christianity but then abandon their faith while in abundance. I’ll pray for them and the reunion all Christians.

⁠by build themselves up on Christianity do you mean doing well for yourself as a Christian or (in this scenario) building your career and wealth on Christianity? Because though they were very Christian, their content was never really focused on it. Nowadays their content is very produced, cause that’s their jobs and they employ a bunch of people. They have a bunch of different types of content they put out and some of it is more personal than others. GMM is very overproduced. Their podcast is more personal though as they just talk to each other and tell stories about themselves. A lot of the appeal with them is their 40 year friendship and the history they have together, it’s rare to find friends like that anymore. A lot of their fans have been around for a long time, and they have so much content from before everything was overproduced that it seems more interpersonal. But before they were RU-vidrs they had a website where they would post their skits and music together and very early in their careers they had a TV show and stuff so they are very career focused but they’re very nice, good people. Anyways, I haven’t listened to this podcast yet so I’m sorry if some of this info was redundant, I just wanted to share some of my thoughts.

@@editsontoastyou’re trying to talk sense with a Christian. She will always blindly believe her god was responsible for R and L’s success

if you listened to them talk about Christianity you would not say that, but naturally you're being childish and defensive.@@TexaSurvival

Started off being somewhat reasonable, then went batsh!t crazy religious nut@@TexaSurvival

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why do people keep mentioning Ethan on a show that doesn't include anyone named Ethan?

Ethan Klein of H3@@kkelly2799

did they mention Ethan? What does he have to do with this episode? Are you that much of a fan that you leave comments about him on videos that have nothing to do with him? ... 😕

Yup. The reason a lot of people feel the need to vocalize after something like that isn’t a selfish one, it’s altruistic. You tried to help them by telling them the uncomfortable truth, but most people have to learn on their own, they can’t change their minds in an instant after years of indoctrination. Congratulations by the way. You essentially left the church on hard mode lol. Hats off!

@@CaymenLeP - Thanks!

Thats a rough religion to leave. Hope you're good!

@@hollenfeuer1 - It's like trying to leave the Mafia. We are doing better than ever. Thanks.

@@oasisex-testigosdejehova6346 I'm happy to hear that!

Definitely listen to Ear Biscuits if you want to hear more from them! They have a series about their deconstruction

Exactly

i agree i think howie was cutting in way too much & diverting conversations before they were completed

In fairness, there is a time limit, and too much time on one topic doesn't make for a well rounded episode. Some of the topics brought up (like deconstruction for example) are talked about at length in R&L's podcast ear biscuits if you want to hear what they have to say just the two of them

​@@JynxedHeatheryes gotta keepnthe train going

He's a comedian. They're also comedians/comedian adjacent creators. I wouldn't be upset if there were more bits. I thought it followed well and thoroughly enjoyed it. I hear you, but I don't know, to each their own I suppose. 🤷

I wouldn't say it was 'sad' but yeah, I did feel like their (Rhett&Link's vs. Howie's) senses of humour just weren't gelling at times.

If the motive is money and not cause you wanna spend time together, the friendship was lost

Just couldn't tolerate that view, eh? 😉

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Was he trying to pick a fight? I dont watch this channel regularly, it just came across my feed. He almost seems combative.

Was searching the comments to see if anyone else noticed this. It definitely came of combative and not wanting to take his answer as the answer.

Reading warning signs about cults, I was struck with how many if the same tactics the southern baptist church I grew up in used 💔

​​@@T.FlorenzAh yes, generalization of a religion with 2 billion followers based on a couple small branches that don't really follow the bible correctly

@@lavarelease2928 All Christianity is inherently a cult, they're not special subsets.

@@jijitters False, and ever heard of denominations? Beliefs can vary quite a bit from one to the other

@@lavarelease2928 There is no meaningful difference.

Couldn’t have said it better!