I watch these just for the background noise. The 70s might have been a tumultuous time for families but being transported back into your childhood is so comforting sometimes
@@thesilentdivaI think she means that the world changed so fast. In 5-7 years we went from a gleaming city to urban decay, everyone was being uprooted as cities across America began to die and beautiful neighborhoods became slums, covered in graffiti urban decay and broken dreams as the economy tanked and more people by the late 70s ran to suburbia and lost the sense of community and safety that they knew and loved. The cities became mean as a war was going on. Those old enough to remember what life was like just a few years prior hello on to the past. Some remained becoming prisoners in their own homes. There was also a war going on and a huge generational gap between parents of the 40s and 50s and their children of the 70s.
I think the writers should have written a script where Joe was genuinely in love with and interested in marrying Rhoda. A nice romantic setting where Joe proposes on his own would have been better.
Joe never really wanted to marry Rhoda. He was okay with living together, but that was it. Rhoda pushed him into getting married. Joe started to feel uncomfortable and unhappy very soon after they got married. It got steadily worse, until they ended up getting divorced.
I got a little teary eyed at the end of this because Mary and Rhoda were America's sweethearts. Personally I was always in love with Rhoda. Now they're both gone. God bless them.
@@Lifeafterthedarknarcmy husband didn't propose he was drinking at a cookout and his cousin czme up and Saud I heard you all were getting married..It was the first I heard of it he had told everyone but me.We had been together 4 years at that point so yes we got married it lasted 35 years and he is still my best friend.
R.I.P Valerie. Forever loved and remembered. Rhoda was my favorite part of MTM and I've rewatched the Rhoda show so many times. As one Valerie to another I will truly miss you.
There is something scary about him. Like Anthony Quinn. I always felt he would be a wife beater or something along those lines. He is handsome and all but he has always made me feel uneasy. Especially his quick temper . The way he called her manipulative etc in the start would have sent me the opposite direction with no chance for more dates. He is emotionally abusive as Joe. Too cold, too touchy, too everything.
I was too little to remember the story lines but def remember this show being on !!! I don’t remember joe but now reintroduced to the show again I don’t care for him , his character is not a warm sensitive type
I watched this when I was a kid and I have absolutely no memory of Joe. I remember Rhoda trying to hail a cab and on the subway in her wedding dress but not Joe, the guy she was marrying 😄
Rhoda should have gone out with Vic instead of begging Joe to marry her!!!!! Brenda (Julie Kavner) is so funny. If Ida (Nancy Walker) was in this episode she would have talked Rhoda out of moving in with Joe!
Yes, I agree. Brenda had the funniest lines, and great natural delivery. I always thought the others were too self-conscious, waiting for the laughs, but Brenda seemed like a real person.
Why didn't Joe ask Rhoda to move in with him when she was out of work and broke? Why didn't joe offer to support her? Why didn't Joe propose? Rhoda you fool....he didn't deserve you!
Meir Wise ~ The answer to all your whys = because the writers wrote it that way! Actually, during that part of the show, the Joe character did NOT owe the Rhoda character financial support of any type. They were NOT married!
Actually, I think Rhoda blew it... or at least she was honest but they were clearly not really compatible at the time. They wanted different things. The resentment he felt being pressured into marrying her festered and caused his character to get moody. He was really nice to her before they married
I'm looking forward to getting further in the series. I know they get divorced but it seems like a nice guy. I was wondering what happens in the next couple of seasons that ends in them divorcing
This episode always bothers me..she had to beg Joe to get married. Then the marriage was always so driven by Joe's preferences...it really saddened me to see her independent spirit get squashed. I can't even watch season 3 with the break up. I skip season 2 before the end and all the fighting over to season 4 when Rhoda is herself again.
I think they're just talking it through. When she came into the apartment, she was there to live with him. She pretty much sprung the marriage thing on him. They did make Joe kinda gruff but I thought it was a mistake to cut him out of the show. It all went downhill from there.
I always thought it was so colorful and whimsical! Mary's apartment was my 1st TV love with that huge, beautiful window, but Brenda's comes right after that because of the coziness factor. The funny thing is that there's a trend going on in NYC currently regarding "micro-apartments" where they're like 300 sq. ft. and under so what was considered a tiny place back then like Brenda's would probably be considered REALLY spacious and roomy in comparison! Wonder how much an apt like hers would go for now in the insane NY real estate world.
The mistake of her life, for the Rhoda character,that is. She could have had wealth,fame and maybe a lifetime,true love or at worst,a big life long payday in case of a divorce. Instead,she got nothing in the long run,from Joe but years lost and heartache. Joe never wanted to be married. He just wanted the looks of it and a kid which he got from first wife,and then only wanted freedom. His character wasn't hard to figure out,if you watched him closely. His character had in it the seeds for bringing about the demise of series which it did in the end.
Hey, the hockey player was in the film 'Creepshow'! He was the jerky father that didn't want his son reading the horror comics! I knew I recognized that dude.
I was a little girl when rhoda came on in the 70's maybe 6 or 7 yrs old but i enjoyed it then sa i do now. And its still sad that they got divorced one of the worst things and saddest things in tv history!
@@Kashaslovei never did either. Joe was too stuck on Joe and I think he still missed his ex. He tells Rhoda in a later episode well Marian did it this way...
I've always liked it too. So Rhoda proposed to Joe just like Darlene did to David on "Roseanne" One big difference between the two...Rhoda isn't pregnant.
02chevyguy if the man doesn’t propose or be motivated to ask her, it won’t last. A man who is really in Iove with a woman goes out of his way to be with that woman. Times didn’t change, assertive women who push themselves on a man is always insecure because they know that man doesn’t feel as strongly for them. If she wanted to be married that’s her standards nothing wrong with that. If he didn’t feel the same way, then they should have broken up. He was married Before and didn’t want to do it again, that’s normal. She begged this man to marry her. The writers should have built up the relationship, they didn’t have to get married so fast. Could have been the 2nd season.
"Pop Goes the Question" is the 6th episode of Season 1 of Rhoda. Written by Norman Barasch and Carroll Moore, and directed by Robert Moore. First aired on CBS on October 14, 1974.🙂
Today is October 14, 2022. I can't count how many times I wish It would be a year from before and not such a difficult time in the world. Things SEEMED simpler then.
I do not know whether the writers had it in their minds that they would eventually have Rhoda and Joe divorce, but they could not have set it up better. Joe did not want to get married. No marriage in real life could last on such a faulty foundation, so the fact that this fictional marriage ended should not have been a surprise to any viewer at the time.
According to Valerie Harper, the divorce was NOT predetermined; rather it came about to "enhance" the Rhoda character's story line. She said that she would NOT have minded giving the Brenda more singles story line. The Joe character should NOT have been written out & the marriage stand!
Claude Slagenhop Then Joe should have been honest. Just another nervous divorced male, who, God forbid can't commit. Zzzzz Separation is not to date etc. Irs,to spend time alone to see if marriage works.
If you include her vacation to see her family and then meeting him and extending it then they've been dating for a couple months and already decided to be exclusive and as a woman in her 30s I don't know why it bothers me so much that a lot of the comments heredon't think it's okay for a woman to feel weird about just living together if they love each other and want to be together or not see anyone elseyeah they could have dated for longer but there's people who date for a couple years and then if he never wanted to get married againand even here in this episode he said after getting to know each other a little more they would talk about it so that's obviously not the case and she obviously didn't want to not be married for the rest of her life and maybe normal or accepted now to just live together butthere's nothing wrong with marriage either I think she played the single girl long enough on Mary Tyler Moore and they should have just let the marriage go on or played it out a little longer first then done it and stops making her sister who is not fat just younger and different skip her the single life and tips from her older sister I wrote a would have got her happy ending I don't see why they had to split. But getting married natural evolution of a relationship shouldn't be abnormal. at the beginning of the Mary Tyler Moore show they were trying to find their wayaren't going home growing up meeting someone and getting married makes sense I think they made the wrong decision ending it though and they could have dated a little bit longer and not got married until the next to last season. Just some thoughts she never really proposed to him thoughshe just said now that I'm here I don't feel like I can live with you I'm not comfortable with that I want to be but I eventually want to be marriedshe didn't say right now he could have said okay well let's take some more time and but he didn't and already established he didnt want to be separate so... I think the writers messed it up by separating themor even moving too fast but giving him a spin-off definitely would never force people wouldn't have liked the guy who left Rhoda as a singles story...
Lovely show...I love the Mary Tyler Moore Show and it's spin-offs. They don't make 'em like that anymore. I can count the number current, quality television shows on my hand. That's not good!
Nancy Walker must not have been available for this episode, which is too bad. I can only imagine Ida's reaction to the news that Rhoda is shacking up with Joe.
She was really pretty, and there must have been millions of men in New York. It would have been nicer to have kept her single and with other men friends, rather than marriage and domesticity.
Nope she's never mentioned by name. You sure they didn't say her younger sister? I think the writers goofed. They goofed a lot here and big time on MTM.
Brenda was right. Something in Rhoda's 1950's background made this a difficult decision. Seems silly by today's standards or at least less complicated.
Rhoda kept running behind Joe, which is the wrong move. He wasn’t into her like she was into him. Did he ask her to live with her because that pro hockey player wanted to date her. She acted desperate for his affection even after they got married. Times didn’t change from thev70’s until now, men are still the same. If you move in with a man, he doesn’t value the woman. He still wants that out to feel single. Most of them don’t commit even after living and having children with the woman. It’s like they think she is not good enough and waiting for something better . That old adage why buy the cow when u get the milk free is true today, just as much as yesterday! Women need to know their worth!
@@christian_person5058 ------------- Time, the 19th century ~ had nothing to do with how Rhoda felt. She was raised that The BOND of Marriage is God's rules for a blessed marriage. At the center is God: a marriage is true love before yourself, one's druthers, although, I am learning quickly most females have very little self worth or any strong esteem about their self. AND! Living together, as a trial out before a marriage, is just not the same. I 'know' there's the SAME OL'e double standard, even in today's world. Sometimes I believe Marriage under the GRACE, sacraments of ~ I Do with God at the center, `` is lost, doesn't last as long as it did -or should be. Maybe marriage is not really 'right' for the majority, now. Avoid divorce, instead have a great education, your own career, and one's happier life. I am apparently one one of the more fortunate ones. I do not think that most actually know ........................!!! -WHAT- they want. This went on through Biblical days and remains closely the same.
I don't know...it's not really so silly for a growing number of women out there who are setting new standards and establishing boundaries for themselves that don't necessarily include living with a guy who never ends up putting a ring on their finger and giving them official status as their wife (with all the legal privileges that involve). I've heard of a lot of horror stories of women spending 5-10+ years, some of their best years, with a man they think they have a commitment to, yet the relationship ends with absolutely nothing to show for it. I think living together works out for some couples no doubt, but for many women, it's ended up to be sort of a sad waste of time.
@@RETROGEMSliving together is wrong any way you look at it. When you marry, you become family. Living together is just an easy way to walk away when you get bored. If you dont care enough to truly commit for life then whats the point?
I don't think a woman should EVER have to beg a man to marry her....if a man is truly, genuinely, 100% in love, he will be the one pursuing her, unable to imagine a life without her as his wife. No pleading on her part will have to even remotely be involved. Really don't like how they played out Rhoda's character in this show because she was sweet, creative, elegant and deserved a better onscreen counterpart than Joe, the James Caan wannabe.
She did another one much later in the season when Rhoda called her wanting to hear Mary, still her best friend, tell her she"doesn't need Joe", in an episode regarding their separation/divorce.
I am working my way through each episode here of RHODA from the First Episode Onward as a lot of you folks are probably doing here with me. Being a TV & Movie Nut, I just thought I would like to share another TID-BIT of information of the Production of this series with you dear reader, in case no one else has posted this little bit of information here in RU-vid. The little gem that I would like to share with You this time, is the Fact that the "VOICE" of "CARLTON THE DOORMAN" is the VOICE of the Producer of "RHODA" = "Mr. LORENZO MUSIC". To my knowledge, "not once" does LORENZO MUSIC appear "on-screen" on any episode of "RHODA"... I am willing to be corrected here, so as I progress through each episode of "RHODA" I will be watching the End-Credits (at the end of each episode of "RHODA") for the Guest Stars names ,for the name "LORENZO MUSIC" to show up. For without LORENZO MUSIC (= The Producer), we may never have gotten to experience this delightful Situation Comedy with Valerie Harper; Julie Kavner ( = alias the Voice of Marge Simpson), David Groh as Joe NANCY WALKER, and all the Guest Stars that show up throughout the series...
He appears on one episode in a taxi, but you only see the back of him in his uniform, he also appears in one where they have a party, and dances, but he is wearing a mask, so you still don't see his face.
He came in one to remove something from their bedroom in the episode when Joe hurt his back really bad. But we couldn't see him either as he was behind this big piece of wood he was carrying.
Amazing name: Music. I have never come across anyone with this surname, ever! Ironically, I am currently re-watching the Columbo episodes, from the very beginning. Prescription Murder, then all the others. Mrs Columbo, of course, never appears, but gets LOADS of mentions.
Joe loved her enough to ask her to move in when she wanted more commitment, and understood how important marriage was to her - and was ok with that. i think its trash that they wrote her out, and the show obviously suffered for it since they lost viewers once they split then got divorced. i love their chemistry! it actually makes me want to not watch anything beyond the first two seasons
Actually, i had to do that with a friend in college. She had a key to my apartment. And if she caught wind that her parents were coming to town, she would move some clothes in and be at my place for that afternoon. It worked really well. We're 51 now..... She married the guy..... And her Mom never figured it out 🤣 having 17 kids to keep track of did help
I like Joe’s soda (that is code for OH MY GOODNESSGRACIOUS WHY IS HE NEVER NAKED IN ANY OF THESE EPISODES!!!?!) A-hem.... where was I .... um ..... Yes, I do like that sofa fabric.
I always like Mary Tyler Moore. She always wore the prettiest clothes. Rhoda look great after she lost the weight. I always love how she dress. I crazy about her scarf on her head.
I have only watched a few episodes of Rhoda after finishing MTM show. I somehow feel her energy and natural character appeal wasn’t highlighted or utilised very well in this spin off. Val was such a warm genuine lady from what she portrayed…. a very likeable aunt or fiend I feel in real life. Gorgeous lady and had the most graceful body movements especially with her sculptured hands. Good memories I only wish We had this quality of shows and actors more readily in our current times.
I don't care how much a women feels like its her right to pop the question to the man actually I find it a bit desperate...phatic ...etc ...I find so much wrong with this now it makes sence why Joe always seem to love Rhoda a lil bit less then she loved him and why he's the one that walked out on their marriage...as I re-watch this retro show it all coming back to me
She was caught between women's lib and her old time values. Their relationship was doomed...never marry a divorced man, they are very scarred and pushing them makes it worse...I know.
That Vic Rhodes guy is cute...and probably would have been tons better to Rhoda than Joe ever was. I don't know why Rhoda was so obsessed with Joe. She should have taken longer to know him, and to find out why he divorced before. Couples didn't live together without being married very much during the 1970s, not even during 1979. Mainly it was the young hippie type couples who did.
