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Rich Eisen Condemns the Pirates for Removing Phenom Paul Skenes from His Latest No-Hitter Bid

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Rich Eisen reacts to Pirates rookie phenom Paul Skenes being removed from his most recent start after throwing 7 no-hit innings after just 99 pitches.
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@thebourg Месяц назад

I gotta say it is cool hearing you guys talk about a middle of July Pirates game. We're not used to this as Pirates fans

@draneym2003 29 дней назад

I assumed he didn't even know the team as the Pirates, rather as Yankee schedule filler from Pittsburgh

@manfrombc5162 Месяц назад

The only thing I can say is that it was a 1 run game and his velo was dipping. But, my god I wanted to see him keep going.

@marcusgarcia5089 Месяц назад

In competitive sports, it's overcoming those difficulties that makes something like a no-hitter special to watch.

@michaelcorcoran8768 Месяц назад

Sure but you could give him one more bass runner. The first sign of trouble you take him out. Even a really long at bat you could take him out but to not give him a chance to go out there. Just take him out if there's a base runner and keep them in if there's not. You know he can handle more than a hundred pitches he's done it many many times in college.n

@lochnessmonster5149 Месяц назад

For people who don't know, when Kerry Wood struck out 20 for the Cubs, his elbow was already hurting him and he kept pitching until it tore. Nobody protected him, not even himself.

@jumahbrady670 Месяц назад

Facts 💯 don't forget Mark Prior

@cathyleblanc4347 Месяц назад

It can happen in the 4th inning .. But it is a no- hitter with 20 more pitches. He pitched more than in the minors and LSU.

@erad67 Месяц назад

And likely caused Johan Santana to never be the same again.

@paulsmith9198 Месяц назад

C'mon guys, you are better than this. If he blows out his arm, you'd be first in line to say "What were they thinking?!?".

@thebourg Месяц назад

exactly. Really dissapointed with the Hot take sports radio approach they are all taking here

@draneym2003 Месяц назад

Oh God you just read my mind. He's like local Pirates fan. Give up any prospect to get a marginal upgrade, then whine when said prospect blows up

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

Give me the evidence that pulling a guy early PREVENTS him from getting Tommy John down the road. These guys still get hurt. There is no science that says that taking him out prevents him from getting hurt down the road.

@SweetZombiJesus Месяц назад

@@PGO_Gaming The only way to really prove that scientifically beyond a shadow of a doubt is to let more guys pitch complete games, collect data on their torn and ruined arms so we can say "well, we were right, it IS worse if we don't pull them". Irresponsible. Here is what we know: pitch velocity has gone up, and TJ surgeries have gone up in those same years. Do you have another explanation? Because the paid, professional kinesiologists don't. All they can surmise is that this increased velocity, which clearly DOES put more strain on the arm (that's how mechanics works) is to blame.

@markkoep8031 Месяц назад

Literally every team does this and still they blow their elbow

@FearTheBeardJP Месяц назад

If he can stay healthy, he will have a chance to do this again. I'd rather him stay healthy than see another deGram situation

@allanallan2171 Месяц назад

Maybe. Maybe not.

@markkoep8031 Месяц назад

What evidence is there that this keeps him healthy? Teams do this with every young pitcher and they all get Tommy john and various injuries

@BroJ3221 Месяц назад

All I can say is thank god Chris Brockman works on a TV show and is nowhere near being in management for a club of any sport.

@xiaobiaoxu5984 Месяц назад

Well, I have opposite opinion... yes, if Skenes throw two more innings, he MIGHT get his first no-hitter already. But does one really need a no-hitter game to validate how good he is?!? Too many injuries so far for pitchers this season already, and I don't see the point of a no hitter game. Yes, if this is a world series, one should not pull him out at that point, because it is still 1 run game (not because of no hitter). But, for a game in July?!? come on!

@altonT Месяц назад

Well Rich is not a team manager. At 99 pitches, most every manager would not have let Skenes go forward. Half a season to go, keep him healthy.

@supery0111 Месяц назад

Exactly. It was a no brainer decision. Especially for a rookie

@GD-rd6ig Месяц назад

Then don’t let him waste energy in the all star game

@Shineyjo Месяц назад

I get this but as a fan it does make the game worse.

@SirVic42 Месяц назад

Mark Prior would like a word with you, Rich.

@mrcub014 Месяц назад

A word about what? Colliding with an infielder while running the bases and hurting his shoulder? Taking a comebacker off his pitching elbow?

@snowman9642 Месяц назад

Some people are build for a major league career, some are not, protecting does nothing. Just look at Stephen strasburg, they protected him, how did that work out.

@thebourg Месяц назад

6:02 i know you guys were joking but what and absolute clown idea. No hitters are a useless stat. It doesn’t matter. The Pirates won the game thats all that matters

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

Stop watching baseball.

@silntstl Месяц назад

A useless stat? Have you ever pitched for competition? With a clueless statement like that I can guarantee you haven't. For your information any MLB pitcher that throws a no-hitter gets that ball sent to Cooperstown to be put on display at the baseball HOF.

@deaconfrost6229 Месяц назад

Correction: the first one he was pulled for on May 17th, it was after 6 innings, not 5. He did not have 4 wins going into yesterday, he had 5, so now 6. Please, hire a stat guy.

@jefftanski5665 Месяц назад

What a dumb take. Talking about how cool the storyline of this year is versus keeping your cornerstone pitcher healthy for his career.

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

PITCHERS STILL GET HURT. Doesn't matter what the pitch count is. Doesn't matter when they get taken out. Guys that get babied STILL GET HURT. Let the guy pitch. Goodness.

@SweetZombiJesus Месяц назад

@@PGO_Gaming They CAN still get hurt, but limiting the pitch count REDUCES the CHANCE they get hurt. This isn't the 70s when the average fastball velocity was under 90mph. These guys now are pushing the boundaries of what human tendons/ligaments can handle. Of course this isn't a foolproof system where no one will get hurt, ever. We don't live in fantasy land, we have to be realistic and protect these players.

@snowman9642 Месяц назад

@@SweetZombiJesus just look at Stephen Strasberg, they babied him, his career was very short. Stop protecting players, some are built for long careers, some are not.

@gohan1985 Месяц назад

I severely doubt a pitcher, especially a young hungry pitcher throwing a no hitter, to say to their manager that they are "tired", I think the manager used a BS excuse to justify pulling his pitcher after the backlash.

@crowtservo Месяц назад

Dudes, you’re not the coaching staff. I was at the game and had no problem with him coming out. Would I have loved to see him throw a no-hitter? Hell yeah, I was hoping the bullpen would finish the job but it didn’t happen. But as a Pirates fan, I’m more interested in him being able to pitch the rest of this season and for the next 6 seasons and not get injured. He’s not a 42 year old guy on a one year contract. He’s 22 and the face of the franchise and Shelton did what was best for the team and the organization.

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

Give me the science and the direct and clear evidence that pulling him with 99 pitches prevents him from getting hurt two years from now or three years from now. IT DOESN'T EXIST. He'll still get hurt, and you'll still believe that they did the right thing. smh

@perriello66 Месяц назад

@PGO_Gaming Wheres the evidence that it doesn't hurt his arm to throw past 100 pitches? We can find something wrong in anything. Its not a big deal they pulled Skenes

@ByGriPhone Месяц назад

He was at what? 90 something pitches? And considering that Pirates only got one run, I don't hate the decision to pull him.

@baxatakbaxatak2014 Месяц назад

Imagine Skenes with an actual manager.

@pmode2474 Месяц назад

Dude was absolutely gassed. Anyone that watched that game could tell. Pulling Skenes was the right choice.

@crowtservo Месяц назад

The Brewers were fouling off a lot of his pitches early in the game. William Contreras nearly hit a home run in the 3rd inning. He settled down after that and had great 4th-7th innings.

@michaelcorcoran8768 Месяц назад

You put them out there until he lets a base runner. I can't believe people are defending this. It's not like he had 120 pitches or something. Baseball has become so lame.

@blurjose Месяц назад

I don't know. Look, I think we have created MORE injuries since we started using obsessing over pitch counts. Especially when pitch counts are taken out of context (is velo dipping? is command going down? etc). But to condemn the Pirates is to condemn modern baseball. It is what it is.

@silntstl Месяц назад

Being a Pirates fan make it very easy to condemn anything those knuckleheads do.....

@TommyBaseball Месяц назад

Stick to football boys. You are flat out wrong here. 99 pitches through seven is a lot. If he was 38 and has never thrown one before fine. But there are 300 some no hitters in history. Just stop.

@TommyBaseball Месяц назад

@@mw3891 Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Stephen Strasburg....long view is the right choice. No reason to chase one game heroics with a generational arm. And using LSU coaches as a crutch for the argument is even dumber. College coaches are notorious for burying their arms for wins, not to mention college pitchers throw once every seven days for three to four months, not every five days for six months. The boys show why they should stick to football in this segment.

@silntstl Месяц назад

300 no hitters in a game that's history is almost 150 yrs old. What an ignorant statement. Stick to football as you say.

@jeffcarr7601 Месяц назад

John Smoltz says tie the DH to the starting pitcher. When you take the starter out you have to pinch hit for the DH. He also says to reduce the number of pitchers allowed on the major league roster. He mentioned before analytics pitchers knew how to pitch, but now it is throw hard for as long as you can or until you hit the pitch count.

@Ransom6242 Месяц назад

I remember reading a quote from madden this week talking about how there’s no more teams just individuals. This a clear example of a team promoting that mindset. “We gotta protect him from himself” bs.

@princewilliam9259 Месяц назад

I don’t what to see him go for it in one game! want to see him pitch the whole season. For many years

@ADL21 Месяц назад

Saw a tweet about Lincecum havingt that 147 pitch no no and the aftermath. IF the guys arm is tired in his rookie season, let him rest. it sucks, but blame the arm.

@lbmclean Месяц назад

Media have all the opinions and no responsibility. If he hurts his arm Rich would be talking about how they were reckless to push his pitch count

@dannydaller3684 Месяц назад

Mariners fan here, none of the top 4 guys in the rotation has missed a start in 2 years and they hold their guys below 100 pitches generally

@supernaturalta6174 Месяц назад

They did the same thing with Robbie Ray. How did that work out for him? When did his injury occur? How did pitch counts work out for Matt Brash? If pitch counts really worked to prevent arm injuries, then relief pitchers would basically never get injured. Pitch count has nothing to do with it. One in seven major league pitchers have had TJ surgery at some point in their careers - and that was back in 2012. The number is surely higher now. That's despite the fact pitchers are throwing LESS pitches now than ever. Ask Nolan Ryan how many pitches he threw. Ask Tommy John how many pitches he threw - after he got the surgery named after him.

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

Brian Woo is their best pitcher, statistically speaking and he can't stop getting hurt. Some Mariners fan you are.

@henryapfelbach1845 Месяц назад

And how many championships do you have for all that?

@erad67 Месяц назад

It's easy to say he should've gone for it when we don't have to go through the pain of an injury, rehab, lose of a lot of money, and possibly have great damage to our career.

@sejungmyeong3105 Месяц назад

Media wants a news. But Pirate should protect its player. Cubs destroyed two young prodigies, Kerry Wood and Mark Prior. I don't care about no hit or perfect games. I just want him to be healthy so that I will be watching him more and longer. Go Skenes. Go Pirates.

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

How do you know they weren't ruined already? They threw Sliders and Curveballs. There is no evidence that guys that pitch less, pitch longer. MORE GUYS GET HURT NOW THEN THEY DID BEFORE.

@thomasmills2130 Месяц назад

What manager in MLB history would have the testicular courage to take out Drysdale, Gibson, or Koufax in the same situation? Never happen man. I watched all three. Motto “crowd the plate at your own risk”. They should have let him stay in. IMO

@thomaswelcomer8443 Месяц назад

Has ANY proof of "protecting" pitchers actually been proven? It seems like they either are workhorses or consistently nicked up. Maybe because of "protecting" instead of training.

@jedediahmcmath3479 Месяц назад

You gotta take him out; he was tired. C’mon Rich.

@fourthdownback6035 Месяц назад

As a Pirates fan, can I have anything nice? If the kid got a no hitter and threw out his arm, we’d be screwed for the rest of the year….Then Bob Nutting can’t trade him for two quarters and a cigarette.

@thebourg Месяц назад

Sorry Rich but there's no way he would be pitching in the ASG if he had a no hitter. Pirate's would not allow that after he goes 9 innings 120 some pitches 0:31

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

Who cares about the All-Star Game? He'll take the no-hitter over the All-Star Game sir.

@silntstl Месяц назад

You think players care more about playing in the AS game than throwing a no hitter? What universe am I in??

@conv1cted752 Месяц назад

I agree 100%! He should have been allowed to finish his outing. The pitch count phenomenon is ridiculous. It's killing the basic nature of the game.

@justinslavin4843 Месяц назад

that was a sittin at the bar conversation and it was amazing

@darrensummers7011 Месяц назад

I'll be sure to stay off your lawn old man Eisen... EVERYONE STAY OFF MR EISENS LAWN!!!

@cathyleblanc4347 Месяц назад

He said in an interview.. He thought about fighting to stay in..but he didn't want to question his the team..They thought he would he would have fought to stay in. So he will fight for it next time.

@alexdemczak2805 Месяц назад

This is dumb. No hitters are nice but as a pirates fan I’d rather see Skenes in August. The most he’s pitched n a year is 120 innings. They will need to keep him around 150 this year to stretch him out. This is real, google Johan Oviedo who the pirates over pitched last year.

@mattwilham4349 Месяц назад

Look, they have to save his arm for when they need to trade him before they decide they can’t afford to keep him. They have to make sure that he’s available for the Dodgers

@GD-rd6ig Месяц назад

Just start all starters in the second inning and this issue goes away entirely

@daimionhollins528 Месяц назад

I believe that any pitcher should have the choice, wether he wants to stay in game and complete his game,.. even if that pitcher en route of a no-hitter. - A PO'd Pirates fan 😡

@LoneStar62 Месяц назад

It’s the Pirates, they’ve got to protect his trade value. 😏

@draneym2003 Месяц назад

If anything you should be happy. You'll be able to buy him like always and didn't have another team putting extra miles on the guy

@kentfowler2039 Месяц назад

And he’s continuing to stay on fire!

@scarlettpozniak5436 Месяц назад

throwing 120 pitches in the college world series is quite different than a random game in july when they’re trying to get him through the season

@anotherheffis Месяц назад

This moronic conversation is the mlb equivalent to complaining about how overly protected QBs are in the nfl. Both are pointless discussions as neither sport is going to put their biggest stars in more peril.

@chriswilson5203 Месяц назад

Shelton is a shill for Nutting. They'll baby him til they can trade him. Owner won't spend to improve the team either.

@michaelconger6420 Месяц назад

Stop babying these grown men. It is an absolute travesty that they took him out. It's bad for the game. It's demeaning to the pitcher. Stop doing that.

@kentfowler2039 Месяц назад

That’s why you’re talking & the GM & Mgr are there - they have a plan and they are following it - respect the team doung the tough thing - the list is longer for young phenoms that throw their arm s out

@silntstl Месяц назад

The most clueless statement yet....

@ZacharyJohnG Месяц назад

Thanks for this Rich, baseball casual trying to catch up

@lukeputting4972 Месяц назад

The Yankees are gonna sign him immediately anyway

@gabel4277 Месяц назад

Analytics has ruined baseball players and baseball overall

@tony.bickert Месяц назад

He’s gonna want out of Pittsburgh sooner than later because of this coach.

@mitchelllee879 Месяц назад

Tell ‘em Rich! (Before I even listen)

@wjack89 Месяц назад

I think under this circumstance you leave him in. Had it been just a shut out then pull him. The rarity of this situation is the only reason why I let him go

@mitchelllee879 Месяц назад

Watching the game. He was going to have it.

@user-ti6xp7uz8c Месяц назад

Cant understand why my players can't get stronger. They lift the same weight for the same reps every workout then get tired so i let em stop. Manager says he was "tired". So if ur goal is to have ur players jog 3 laps but they all get tired afer 2 do u let em stop? Well we can't risk a torn hammie or ACL. Maybe that's why the Pirates continue to finish under.500 year after year. Culture of being content to be below average & just put guys out there. About time they developed legit players instead of guys to fill a position that fit payroll. Baseball has become worse than soccer atleast they keep going all game even thru multiple fake injuries

@carado1984 Месяц назад

He has 99 pitches with 2 innings to go.

@sikwilly45 Месяц назад

If the front office isn't going to get a bat to try to win games and make the playoffs, they're certainly not going to risk losing a generational arm.

@davidhoban364 Месяц назад

right? keep him in until one hit or one more walk

@silntstl Месяц назад

The unwritten rule of the no hitter. Let him continue but have a BP warmed up in case of a hit.

@a7XBigEA7x Месяц назад

You're insane. His arm was getting sore and it's not the 1960's anymore.

@michaelcorcoran8768 Месяц назад

This was incredibly disappointing.

@lukerawlings9035 Месяц назад

Reminds me of when Roberts and the dodgers took Kershaw out who was perfect through 7 vs the twins… “protect him from injury” HE GOT INJURED ANYWAY THAT YEAR AND LESS THAN 30 PEOPLE HAVE PITCHED A PERFECT GM?!?! WTH are we doing?!

@Mittens5044 Месяц назад

Context, his last start in 2021, he got injured. Elbow inflammation and possibly would've gotten surgery if needed. He didn't get the surgery, which was good. He didn't start throwing a baseball until the new year during the lockout. Spring training was short because of the lockout. Dave made the right move by taking him out of the game. He almost tried to get a perfect game vs. the Angels later the season.

@StormDragonZ Месяц назад

Well, now he can pull the no hitter at the All Star Game.

@danburger945 Месяц назад

Why the Pirates have a pitch clock on a guy they won't even have after 5 years is beyond me.

@scottteagarden6710 Месяц назад

Somebody finally told the truth.the guys 6"5 240 pounds the guys arm is not going to fall off leave him in

@UURevival Месяц назад

Maybe the Kansas City Chiefs should put Mahomes on a throw count- ya know to preserve him. Idiotic.

@silntstl Месяц назад

Don't worry, these arm chair managers would say Mahomes doesn't have the same spin rate. LOL

@Y2K2PointO Месяц назад

Move the mound back

@jasonavery Месяц назад

Everyone defending pulling him out it’s laughable. He had only pitched 99 pitches and had only 6 pitches in his last inning. It’s not like he was just had a 20-25 pitch inning off a ton of fouls and 130+ pitches coming out of the 7th, he could have given it a try. Especially because of age.

@TommyBaseball Месяц назад

You must have worked as a college pitching coach at Rice in the early 2000s.

@gregthegroove Месяц назад

I swear to god, old skool ball players and pitchers must be LOLing in their graves. Seriously. Where’s this game gone? It’s unbelievable. He’s a kidddddddddddddddd for god sakes man. His arm can take it. It’s ridiculous.

@TommyBaseball Месяц назад

Stephen Strasburg, a kidddddddddddd in 2010, blew out his arm in his 12th MLB start.

@PGO_Gaming Месяц назад

@@TommyBaseball Do you know how many guys got conserved that STILL BLEW THEIR ARM OUT? Pitch counts don't save arms. There is no evidence that it does. More guys get hurt now then they did before. Way more.

@silntstl Месяц назад

@@TommyBaseball So what? That doesn't guarantee Skenes will. Unless you have a crystal ball you and all the other mothers out there have no idea what will happen. None of the analytics can predict if/when he will blow out his arm. These younger generations are scared of their effing shadow.

@robertdefrancesco1931 Месяц назад

That’s ok. I’m a pirates fan and he will be traded in three years for a bucket of balls and a 35 year old veteran past his prime.

@silntstl Месяц назад

I'd laugh at this statement if it wasn't so accurate....

@buddyvilla7393 Месяц назад

Nolan Ryan at age 44 threw his 7 th No- hitter. He threw I think 128 pitches. Again age 44.

@linodinardo4798 Месяц назад

They don’t make pitchers like that anymore..

@linodinardo4798 Месяц назад

They don’t make pitchers like that anymore..

@jamiejmasters4818 Месяц назад

@@linodinardo4798 They've never made pitchers like him, Nolan was a magnificent freak of nature.

@TodBrilliant Месяц назад

Yeah, but he was juicing, big time.

@crowtservo Месяц назад

He was 44. He was not the future of the Ranger’s franchise. Skenes is the future of the Pirates franchise.

@powerbook76 Месяц назад

at least they won the game. imagine the backlash had they lost the game as well

@silntstl Месяц назад

They damn near did right after they pulled him.

@city4125 Месяц назад

The buccos have to save his arm for the yankees. We should be able to vote the worst owner in history out of the city

@tokyosan7906 Месяц назад

This is part of the reason why Baseball has become a regional game like hockey and been supplanted as the national past time.

@ghostrunnerco6791 Месяц назад

well it is 2024…plus i’m a Brewers fan

@andrewvinci8437 Месяц назад

Pirates doing Pirates things. Its really hard to root for this team sometimes.

@1928dman Месяц назад

This is concussion uncle behavior

@CliffWarren Месяц назад

Baseball is going way too corporate. The rule of the game in corporate life is, take no risks, take no chances. The modus operandi is, "copy everyone else, in literally everything." There is not an original thought in the corporate world. And, it has come to baseball. I'm not talking about "the league", I'm talking about the ownership and management in almost every club.

@vegastjg Месяц назад

He was at 99 pitches, and they are saving his arm for the Yankees in 4 years.

@UURevival Месяц назад

What exactly are you saving the pitchers for? To get pulled every game when they are pitching well so the team can lose. This is the way now- but everyone is hurt anyway! MLB just doesn't care about fans. The PA should negotiate a rule that you cannot remove a player that is pitching a no hitter unless he wants to come out. I feel sorry for a generation of fans that won't get to see a no hitter pitched. How come historically so many MLB pitchers pitched many more innings and had long careers. Now we are told that was never possible???

@WThomas66 Месяц назад

Baseball is DEAD…

@wowster-so8sx Месяц назад

Well,,, he will be fresh for the next boring game

@Field_Marshall Месяц назад

Just six starts and this rookie is already the NL starter for the all star game. Definitely wrong. Chris Sale 12-3 136k 2.70 era. Sale got snubbed

@TommyBaseball Месяц назад

1) Sale is starting Sunday for the Braves, so he was never an option to start the all-star game. 2) Skenes has 11 starts and is 6-0, he doesn't have just six starts. The more you know....

@Field_Marshall Месяц назад

@@TommyBaseballnot enough to be declared the starter for NL at least give it to Nola

@DeathbyRURU6502 Месяц назад

Paul Skenes is not good for baseball. We need more action on the bases. More hits not strike outs.

@IanSane Месяц назад

Name me a pitcher who got injured by being kept in for a no-hitter. It's overuse across a season that causes injuries, not one game. Here are the unofficial rules for load managing players. You keep the pitcher in if he's throwing a no-hitter and you keep using your starters in the NFL as long as your team is undefeated.

@SirVic42 Месяц назад

JOHAN SANTANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!