rich people are obsessed with poor kids 

They will go to any lenght to excuse their nepotism and priviledge. But like go off, queen!

I’m not into that part of the video yet but by golly did that just make my face twist with cringe

No literally! Does she think being born into poverty means it’s impossible to be dyslexic???😂

that's such a distorted idea of care, too

I deserve to be rich because i am depressed and myopic.

And lends credence to bootstrappin' it. Don't you know you'll come out the other end stronger if you just keep going long enough?

​@@rickyspeopleExactly! It's just a false consciousness in the end

What if you were born working class but you read books on how to retire rich and then you followed their instructions and end up with multiple properties and a bunch of money in the bank like me.

​@@jmecklenborgSo I often think about Antonio Gramsci's idea of Hegemony, the idea that the dominant ideas in a society reflect and justify how wealth/power is distributed in that society. In that sense I'd say that it's not exactly "true" or "untrue" to say that anyone can become rich through hard work, but I do think that it's a *narrative* that we choose to employ, which currently functions to uphold a deeply unequal society.

​@jmecklenborg starting by the fact I hardly believe "following instructions" on a "book" on how to get rich actually works, given that even proper economists die poor and that this kind of "literature" is an overt, well known, meme-worthy fraud machine, respectively: 1-good for you, now stop acting like a child and cease your passive aggressive behaviour (we can read your older comments) and start "reading books" on how to be a better person for this world (definitely calling simps other people here and there ain't the path) 2- understand that the reasons you got rich are also founded on a privilege, just like every other kind of power imbalance. Reifying it: you got rich because you had the moneys and the time to buy a book, because you lived in a country where you were teached to read, because you had the time and the possibility to actually developing the process (this goes from the presence of permissive political institutions, political opportunities and market conditions to mere physical and mental ability), because your material conditions were good enough to start with, because you didn't have to choose between "tryna get rich" and dinner (and if you did, ask yourself if that's sane), because you got a decent job that allowed you to save money, because you didn't die young due malaria in an african region and so on. Reality is that, even in the Us, inequality is growing fast and social and economic mobility is getting lower and lower. But the one's on "merit" is another kind of discours. I'm successful at school and at work, but I recognize that's up to an incredible amount of privileges and situations that I cannot even count. Hard work is just the last component of mundane success. And a lot of times it's also pretty toxic. There would be an essay to write on. Luckily, many are the sources you could find with a small google research, to begin with. 3- use your fresh money to help the people who were in your situation 4-possibly, do not perpetuate anti-scientific, aporophobic stereotypes (you were implying the classic "poors are just rich that can't manage their money", by posing that dumb [not genuine] question. Yes, this may as well be the case even if that wasn't your purpose. Ignoring the principles vehiculated by our words won't make them to do no harm). Adieu

Liability is my middle name.

I’m sorry to hear that! 😢 All the best for you!

Yeah, i would assume that it would be about customizing the environment to allow different people to work efficiently as well, but no, it's just about not assuming anyone to be different.

My Adopted Sister from St Petersburg russia , had her father murdered... Our father died of cancer, my mom's house burned in her final year of school... her second house was destroyed in hurricane Ida a year later... after all of that she keeps going. She adopts horses 🐎 and works with animals... I can understand, she doesn't always trust people after two decades of trauma... she's tough, her attitude made me stop drinking and smoking... we don't get along all that well, However Iam so Proud of her Fight and Independent Spirt!!!

Im a basketcase yet people dont take me serious😂

Now with 100% more bootstraps!

Pick them up today!@@BB-te8tc

Yeah, I'm getting the vibe that people are getting over the tortured artist myth but still want ways to narritivize their lives but this time it's just manifesting in an even more pro-capitalist way... like many things

Pretty much. Post-traumatic growth is literally recovering from a debilitating mental illness. It's not a particularly romantic experience, although like everything in life, it has it's transcendent moments. I wish we could all stop mystifying these aspects of humanity

You can find this concept unrelated to art in Aeschylus, with the old concept "pathei mathos" (learning through pain). Probably tortured artist is post-traumatic growth 2.0 -

Also I’d hate to work directly for a rich person. Firstly working for someone who believes they can use money to get whatever they want and buy people out sounds extremely unsafe. And also I used to work for a non-profit and I had to deal with some of our funders, it really put me off. I could easily write an essay on why

True but some people gotta learn the hard way, and some never learn.

I didn't recognize this. Thank you.

Great Point!

Honestly, I bet that the people who suffer trauma actually end up worse of than before. Go figure!

People keep giving "success" (whatever that is) and personal development a capitalist flair.

Hahahaha hilarious comment.laughed out loud

LOL good one 😂

Eh I think it can be a useful perspective to process and integrate certain experiences. I also think it’s probably a good thing rich folks specifically give some opportunities to people who are struggling. Then again sometimes it can turn a little weird with some of the examples Alice gives…

Yeah, especially since, interpersonally, when I talk about my trauma as an individual in any other sense external to concocting ways I can "turn it around" to make money off it, I'm usually met with all types of blank silences, empty, bored stares, all types of topic/conversation changes, and the like, so clearly the reality is people DON'T care about trauma, even as a form of character development, unless there's some way you can get over it financially or emotionally, usually via numbing out and pretending like it doesn't still hurt as much as it does. And not to sound completely doomerist about it, but it's usually only a matter of concern when somebody can either make money off of you for it or when they're tryna convince you to uphold capitalist hegemony by telling you that you can learn how to use it to do that yourself! Honestly, I sometimes wish people would stop pretending like they care about the trauma conversation since, aside from this video, even most Breadtube/Leftubers don't mention it at all since they likely weren't raised in it and only mention it in the context of how a boss doesn't let you control more of your life, which is indeed ONE TYPE of trauma, but failing to connect that to the whole in terms of oppression as trauma and what that looks like on a more everyday level for real poor people, not just people with a bunch of office jobs and degrees they don't use, would be helpful, but I'm ranting lol. I'm not confident at times that some of them have the range how Alice does on this channel. There's only a couple of other people I've seen have the range, like Kat Blaque, Bryony Claire, Thought Slime, ItHadToBeSaid, and Pernicious Chattel, but they can't do all the work for all the other channels alone, but anyway. ******** *TL;DR:* More conversations on how people's pain shouldn't be seen as just another commodity to capitalize off of in the Sigma Grindset Industrial Complex of life need to be had, and I'm glad this video exists and speaks to this in a great way. I wish other channels did more of the same! 😄

Good or bad, character is gonna develop

​@StillGamingTM yes great copium, it's either that or religious delusion. Anything but reality

They literally think they're y/n

It's called just-world fallacy

the lady she was talking about though does give oppurtunities to people so it can work for them too right? People should definitely be held accountable for their success to a certain point obviously, I don't understand the mentality of not affording people that independence.

And a large amount of deluded solipsism. Because randomness and determinism are dead, we can only have "free will and personal responsibility" as a society. Because inderstanding societal habitus and constructs and their dynamics is too complicated.

A friend of mine used to work as a mover, and he would tell the same thing. I used to work retail in a "good" part of town and can subscribe to that as well

You're absolutely right, I think that like most people she learn to sell herself and her story, doesn't matter if she believes in it or ever think that when she was going through it.

She comes of as narcissistic

This!

There will always be poor people in whatever economic system you choose. Anti-Capitalism is nothing special in this regard. The only question is: how do you want your poverty, welfare sustained or workhouse sustained?

hi disco elysium profile pic :) that game is good at showing that "trauma growth" is bullshit. Harry, Kim, Cuno, Cunoesse, Plaisance, Dros, and so many others are all traumatised and all it did was break them and make them worse. they can still heal, but they would have been better off without it

​@@ManoverSupermanthat's just false. Poverty can be erradicated, just not under capitalism.

​​@@elpito9326Question is if it really can be eradicated in other systems than capitalism. Theoretically yes, but it doesn't seem like it's really achievable on a big scale. In an anonymous society, some people will always manage to acquire more resources than someone else. Either you need total supervision, which sounds very dystopian, or you need smaller groups of people where everyone knows each other. But with 8 billion people on Earth that sounds quite unrealistic to achieve apart from a few model communities that in my limited experience with them sometimes or often turn a bit sect-like. On the other hand, for decades post WWII most people managed to get richer with capitalism as their country's economy grew. My family experienced that first hand in the German Wirtschaftswunder. A lot of Germans were starving/malnourished in the 40s post war, and then in the 50s the Big Eating began when suddenly people and the economy were so well off again that people could finally eat as much as they wanted. A lot subsequently became overweight in that time. Just at some point, there was a decoupling between the growth of the economy and the wages, meaning only the top whatever percent (1? 2?) usually get richer while everyone else gets rather poorer as inflation goes on. Maybe this trend can be reversed, in the sense that also the majority of a population can benefit from economic growth again.

100% agree with you. As a person who survived childhood abuse, you feel like you need to constantly prove to everyone and to yourself that you are worthy. Worthiness = money, success, perfectionism. My brother became very successful, makes really good money and is very respected in his field. Is he happy? No . Did he receive the approval of our parents that he needed? No. I am finally accepting that I won’t be successful the way the society wants me and I’m okay with that.

Me only getting into yoga after almost dying from being run over (In a good way, though. I'll do yoga till I die)

Yeah, a rich culture where they enjoy the dehumanizing fantasy of poorer people just having *ZERO DESIRE* *how they do* of, idk, *READING* , or *HAVING NEW EXPERIENCES* , or *TRAVELING* or *TRYING NEW FOOD* , or *LEARNING ANOTHER LANGUAGE FOR JOY NOT NECESSITY* , but silly us for not being rich like them to be able to fully appreciate all of life's juicy, wealthy, and abundant luxuries like learning since our brains aren't built Ford tough in the same way! Our sheaths aren't myelinated like theirs, so we're unable to comprehend any and all language *other than what they bark at us in the workplace* when we earn our meager peasant wages! 😄😄😄😄(/s)

*chef's kiss* ah, just a tasteful amount of pain and suffering 😆

Too late?

Which club? I’m from Seattle so I’m curious!

​@@kammyyedor4225 The Seattle Golf Club. Memberships (if I can recall, don't quote me) are like 50k to get in and the yearly cost is like 10k.

Perhaps the trauma rich people should worry about, is the dehumanizing effect their own piles of money have on them

I once hear from a friend that she overheard the wealthy One percent old money ppl she was around talking about how the poor/even middle class "don't deserve to breathe the same air as them". That statement changed my life. I couldn't believe a fellow human could say such words about their own. Money truly is the root of all evil.

​@@iamdisgustedNah money isn't evil, humans are just evil, 99% of people think the same, you'd be suprised how most of us will change, including yourself, if a billion dollars suddenly drops in your acc. The only difference between poor and rich poeple is that they get away w actually doing their evil thoughts and acts. Rich people steal, cheat, rob, kill, kidnap, blackmail, do drugs, bribe, have intrusive thoughts, are filled with hatred & jealousy and so does the poor man. I know poor/middle class people with the giant egos, "better than you" mentality and narcissim bigger than actual rich/powerful people. If they get rich, they would be actual "monsters" too, like the ones you mentioned, but remember, they aren't even rich yet. Infact we see this power craze in play when non wealthy people get a position of authorithy were they "get to tell you what to do" e.g police, security, teacher, even frickin mods on social media apps. If you don't still get my overall ideology, here's a little story. I recently read that an heir of the DuPont company, a generationally wealthy family r@ped his 3 year old daughter, that really boiled my blood, and I'm sure it will make yours too. People easily blamed his generational wealth, evil money and evil family, meanwhile poor men are r@ping underaged girls every day (especially in 3rd world countries) with nobody seeming to care enough. Even if people get mad at the poor pedo, no one seems to blame their financial situation, meanwhile for the rich man, its the money people only seem to think about. I know this because a man r@ped his 2 year old daughter at my town. He is not rich. He was poor, but people cared lees, let that been a wealthy known man, even the aliens in the moon would have heard of the news and indirectly blamed wealth. On average poor people do very despicable things to get money than rich people do on a day to day basis. There's a reason why the "ghetto" or the "streets" is a thing. Like I said, it's not the money, money is merely a key for most humans to act on how they truly want to act, and get away with it. If money was evil, then you're guranteeing you would turn to a bad person if you get rich, do you believe that about yourself? No You are a good non-rich person, so you might be a good rich person. Most people use their truama to hurt others (they continue the cycle) Most people their riches to hurt others. Some people use their riches to help others, some people use their trauma to help others ( to break the cycle). So if you think about it, Poverty is the root of all evil as much as wealth is. To round that up, both poverty and wealth are mostly just an after math or tool used by the real problem: people. People are evil.

HELLO!?! Someone gets it!

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing," Matthew 6:3

That then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We only see the people that are virtue signaling and those that aren't we won't see giving us the perception that world is even worse than it really is. Also, without that virtue signaling we would have even less wealthy people at least attempt to spend their money on beneficial things and hoard it for even longer. It's not the best solution, but it's at least a start of a solution we can hopefully build of and do consistently good things with

Intellectuals always like to think they're more virtuous than the "wealthy", but if we were to shine a light on their behavior, they're just as bad.

This.

Right?! Like when I saw all them butlers standing there like a bunch of AI robots waiting for their next task, I holleredt!!! This is slavery, love!!! What is glorified about this? Dignified, even? Do they not see this???? If I see it, I know they have to see but can't say anything until they get home, unless they're forced to live on the property in the guest house. The gag is, being around rich people and celebrities doesn't immediately confer opportunities to you, and I know this from personal experience. You, as the poor person, are still doing all of the work, especially the ideological legwork of assuming responsibility for every aspect of the dynamic, because if you say anything or take issue with any one thing, you come off as ungrateful and not worth working with, and then you may become blackballed (not saying that happened to me but just saying for the topic), and then you go back to right where you started: struggling through life alone by yourself so you never really have the freedom to speak up and do what you want frfr when around them. Maybe this is painting it with too broad a brush stroke, but yeah. Like some of them are actually nice as people, but you can really only appreciate that when you ignore the very large, very loud, bright pink elephant in the room of their wealth compared to yours and the existential dilemma of why you have to do so much more for the same sh!t they have by virtue of most, if not all of them, having got into their industries wayyy before you when they were at a much earlier stage (less saturated/standardized/tech- and location-dependent) and before the tanked economy we have today, the people they were lucky to meet (nepotism), what they already started off with (nepo babies specifically), etc.

This is so true omg

Depends on how the wealth was made. I'm not seeing how, say, an NBA or NFL draft pick, abused others (off-the-sports-field) en route to his newfound pro career.....

Indeed it's well known and statistically proven that the more 'adverse childhood experiences' someone experiences, the more likely they are to abuse drugs, be obese, go to jail, etc etc. Not surprising really. People living with ACEs score lower on measures of resilience and emotion regulation as well, so this idea of 'the right amount of trauma' - the right amount seems to be as little as possible.

Thanks, I came here to write essentially this. This video is interesting, and I'm happy to see this topic discussed, but I would have liked to see some discussion of the survivorship bias (exactly as you said) going on here. For every traumatized kid who goes on to be successful and gets to go on podcasts to talk about how their hardship forged them, how many others in similar situations fared far worse? For that matter, we don't get to find out what would have happened to those successful people if they hadn't experienced hardship. Best case, it feels like a coping mechanism to make sense of terrible experiences. At worst, it feels very apologetic for the many systems that exist to create these conditions, like saying "see? poverty, neglect and abuse are good, actually!" Not to mention the lasting harmful effects that exist for even those that do succeed despite bad conditions. It's not exactly a perk, y'all.

She actually refuses to grow as a person.

True, but your wiping skills are probably unparalleled. So you got that goin' for you.

@@brooklynsingleton3676 And, you know, that's exactly how they would frame it.

​@brooklynsingleton3676 😂😂 now you can wipe the bosses ass for a penny. Late stage capitalism be like

Look, this is awful, but it made me laugh out loud and I think you know why. Hope you're doing better now. ❤

Is that Barbara Ehrenreich? she wrote similar thing

@@userabn214 I'm actually not familiar with her, I learnt about Berlant's Cruel Optimism through a lecture on the relation between neoliberalism and the rise of sports culture among young white men :)

@@wildcatJK She was like a perfect complement to Michael Moore's work imo, and has recently since passed away. She wrote often on the experiences of the working class poor before much of today's political discourse in its current form stepped onto the scene, and has also written books about religiously-tinged toxic positivity during cancer and other diseases people experience, where they're supposed to be thankful for their conditions and not pissed off, and she wrote a couple other ones, but that's all I know off the top of my head. She's good, you should check her out if you're looking for a rec.

@@axeslinger94 Wow, thank you!

Trauma can make or break a person....my friend life changed to better after suffering trauma...so I think it all depend on the individual

@@balajiraju4157 You only know it from the outside. You can't know what the trauma did to them inside. This is a dangerous way of thinking. It's pro-trauma when you think about it.

And it's such a circular issue at that point, since who gets to decide when another person has had enough pain for "growth"??? That's literally why the entirety of Breadtube exists!!! 😆

@@axeslinger94 those who have been fortunate to succeed will decide and the decision will always be "you haven't suffered enough", because there will always be a story about someone going through more adversity, true or not, to throw around when it's convenient.

So I watched the show and forgot about that. Wish I didn't because I made it my job for a hot minute to do so. Oof

Communist sure love talking bad about capitalism they seem to everyone to be equal but most people don’t work hard

Yet capitalism is actually meritocratic But you lazy bums refyse to work

and even Cinderella's didn't have their reward for hardwork, instead for her beauty, and also, she had a rich father, so...

Well a lot of people dont realise the simple economic fact that you need poor people to have rich people. If everybody became a millionaire overnight, guess what would happen to the price of everything and inflation? I.e if everybody has millions, producers wont sell bread for its current price, they want a proportionate piece of those millions

I hate to say this, but from what I've heard you might be a perfect fit for academia

If you live in developed countries it may have no effect ...but in a developing country you have to struggle to succeed....you guys are very ignorant and no idea how real world works

Def trauma make you unable to function

You sissies see everything as trauma

Notice how literally everyone here brags on how traumatized they are😂 Feminism is the word for basket case

Jesus Christ is everyone here a fucking basket case Chronic PTSD😂 Makes sebse because you have to be delusional to believe the crap she spees

Gotta include the christian bashing Jewish propaganda at his finest glad you guys sre falling

Please stop misrepresenting Mother Theresa. Mother Theresa told the poor that they're suffering could be transformed into something great if they saw at as an opportunity to come close to Christ. Suffering by itself is not good and is a misrepresentation of what she thought.

how is an opportunity to become closer to christ not something holy? this is a bad pitch; i'd rather get closer to some ketamine

Not quite. This is ten percent luck Twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure Fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name. Sorry, I’ll see myself out now

Think you added a 0 to that 2 by accident

As a Greek person living in poverty, I too have intense financial insecurity and I'm a great slave. I'm the best slave, I can't wait to immigrate to Netherlands to be the best slave for the least money they can offer just because I can rent a house which is something I can't do in my country. Can I get a goldstar for being an amazing slave please? That's how I've learned to survive!

Yeah especially all the facts she leaves out on purpose so brilliant