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Richard Rorty's Contingency, Irony and Solidarity - Video 7: The unforeseeable us 

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In the second half of chapter 3, Rorty discusses what political liberalism should keep from the Enlightenment and what it should reject. We spend some time on the idea that we can tell a story of progress towards ourselves that could not have been foreseen. We also discuss in detail Rorty's surely disastrous claim that in his perfect society it would be impossible to give moral criticism of that society, and we think about the ways in which Rorty can avoid this conclusion.
This video covers pages 52 to 69 of the book.
Victor Gijsbers teaches philosophy at Leiden University in the Netherlands. This video is part of his lecture series on Richard Rorty's Contingency, Irony and Solidarity: ru-vid.com/group/PL8Nxd4OXpzqn6ezWdJ5_zQzeQg5Dh-Kyz

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@ericb9804
@ericb9804 2 года назад
A very insightful (especially 20:30 on) lecture in a very enjoyable series. Thank you for your work on this! ...and for the opportunity to make my humble contribution... Perhaps Rorty means by "we can't ask if our society is moral" in the same way that "we can't ask if reality is real." Because when we try to ask such questions, whatever answer we come up with is subject to the same criticism that motivated the original question. And yet the "plurality" implicit in society compels us to keep asking anyway, and always with the sincere expectation that something new may come of it. - this is irony. Perhaps Rorty is pointing out that we always recognize someone as speaking our language before we judge their morality. For example, we don't declare lions immoral for infanticide not because we think infanticide is moral, even for lions, but because we know they don't speak our language, and trying to talk about lion morality is just meaningless. In this way, to declare the action of another immoral is to imply that we speak the same language; calling someone "immoral" is an act of solidarity. Which means that there is a point where the actions of another person are so appalling that they cease to be immoral and become simply "other." Which is not to say we tolerate them, but only that we don't bother trying to understand them. It is in this sense that "there is no such thing as someone who doesn't speak our language."
@clumsydad7158
@clumsydad7158 Год назад
as lewis gordon would say, pushing the possibilities of the future, access to power, creation of culture, evolving human potentiality and interrelationships
@clumsydad7158
@clumsydad7158 Год назад
something else that lewis gordon always emphasizes is that in our ignorance (be it epistemic, ontological, ethical) is to do good things now, to provide for the future... as neither pessimists nor optimists know the future, the humanely 'rational' thing is to improve 'reality' for the future ... this is something we do terribly currently based on our short-term thinking and toxic narratives about how consumptive/extractive ideologies are beneficial or at best innocuous... they are not
@dionysianapollomarx
@dionysianapollomarx 3 года назад
After first reading the book, I couldn't help but think something was wrong with it. Like the Enlightenment, Rorty kind of undermined his work within the work. Seems like a lot of irony.
@VictorGijsbers
@VictorGijsbers 3 года назад
I definitely think there are internal tensions in Rorty's account. On the other hand, it's easy to end up criticising Rorty from a position he has argued should be abandoned, even without noticing that you're doing so. What is fascinating to me is the question how far it is possible to follow Rorty without getting into trouble!
@clumsydad7158
@clumsydad7158 Год назад
aren't nfts art and somewhat utopian? haha ... one of our largest problems in our culture is marginalization of the young ... exploitation of them thrives (in consumptive means), but not cultivating them humanistically and inherently listening to their novel views, their humane responses to what they freshly see in our world
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