i think the fact that hunters are adopting small monsters like palamutes and those archaeopteryx in Wilds (not to mention temporary mounts in world) as loyal companions and mounts shows that some hunters are willing to bond with monsters to some extent. and i could very well see some open minded hunters and researchers appreciating the riders and their communities for their unique view points and different methods for handling issues.
I like this too, i feel like the riders and hunters could get along alot more over time and see where they are similar in many ways despite their differences
It's definitely just head Canon but I like to imagine Guild Master Hojo from Rise could be related to the Riders in some way considering he is riding Tetsy the baby Tetsucabra
Well, if you bring Utsushi to Amatsu hunt, he'll bring an Apex Zinogre. So maybe some Kamura hunters are also excellent riders. They invented wyvern riding (with wirebugs) after all.
My theory on the origins of the Riders: We were given a glimpse that certain individuals have a special ability to sense and even hear the thoughts and emotions of monsters like Minoto and Hinoa of Kamura Village. Wyverians are a certain race that have a very high chance of possessing such abilities while others are a rare case. Such Wyverians with the said abilities were probably the first ever Riders and passed down everything they know to other races in the art of Monster Riding. However, the art has been long forgotten since the fall of the Old Civilization but Kinship Stones remains as they might be pieces of exetremely rare forgotten ancient technology that was developed in order for easier taming of monsters without the need of possessing telepathic abilities. We also have to remember that monsters have different personalities and desires as well, they can also be as malicious as humans and other races. Mutual respect and honor are also essential in the bonding process between the monster and rider in rare cases, without the need of a Kinship Stone, that alone is enough. Id love to see a special task force of the Hunter's Guild or The Commission whose sole purpose is to hunt down syndicates, and highly dangerous individuals that threaten the balance of the world. The force could comprise of Riders and Hunters, more akin to a buddy cop adventure
yeah i like that theory its definitely a possibility too considering the wyverians were the founders of so much in the lore as a whole maybe it will be fleshed out more in the future
Shhh! don't say too much or we might get hyped for a game we won't learn about before 10 years, but you're absolutely right. We could have a game where you start as either a hunter or a rider, but since you're just a newcomer, you start as any monster hunter game, Hunt, Git Gud and get better stuff. Yet, you hear there's a lot of commotion about unlicensed hunts (or hidden quests like Nekoth in Freedom Unite), poachers or nest raids when you talk with people around you. Once you hit a certain rank (like 5 star low rank quests), you get raided for the first time (by a npc, but there could be players later) and your kill get stolen. I've yet to give a real thought about the gameplay, but it would go around the transport after the quest, or there could be poachers apearing at random time in your quest and trying to do bothersome shit during your quest. I'm thinking about attacking other monsters on your map (or even another target in your multi monster quest), looting all the important ressource points (their respawn time is longer then) or do some shit to disrupt the rythm of your quest (stealing the Rathian's eggs, luring a monster to or straight up interfering with your fight). Most bothering would be that the only thing you know is that you could be raided, though the possibility is random and you would have to have a real shitty luck to get raided in succession. If poachers appear in your quest, you wouldn't know unless you cross path or you're experienced with it. As you progress, you get to enter the guild knights and get new, interesting missions: - Escorting the loot back to town, defending it from poachers, monsters lurking for free food (tell me a Deviljho never raided a cart carrying a free buffet). Those would be relatively short mission where you would have to be alert on your mount (if you play solo, npc would be with you like Sunbreak and Wilds), 'cause a fight could break at any moment. - Investigating the cause of really aggresive behaviour in some monster population (Rathians thrashing around 'cause their eggs were stolen, Diablos fucking everyone up 'cause he has no cacti to eat, you see the patern). You go on an expedition style quest where you'll inevitably cross path with poachers - Intervention on illegal hunts where you have to capture/repel the target before the poacher kills it On the other side, you could also become a poacher, working not with a palico, but with a raptor. You would have illegal requests to hunt a specific monster or deliver a certain amount out material. As a result, you either get a lot of materials but no money, or a lot of money with no material, and you have to be careful to not get caught by a guild knight. It would be quest fail and you get robbed of anything you have on you
@@willglorianThat sounds like a very great concept. It is the perfekt way to let mh players know what their real roll as hunters are and it would be soo cool to being able to see more thoughts going into protecting nature. Because that is what Monster Hunting is about. Holding Balance between Nature and Men(and other races). I would love this.
That was awesome! So few people talk about stories lore, and you did such a great job explaining the basics! I also love all your ideas and theories on where Capcom could take riders and what they could do for the series! Simply incredible 👍
thank you im glad you enjoyed the vid! yeah i really want them to explore this more its such a cool aspect to the universe and could change things up big time
In a future stories game, I really hope they don't force a Rathalos on you. It's not like Pokemon ever forces you to use Pikachu, it's happened twice now
I kinda of agree, mind you I am big Rathalos fan, but I understand why they do that especially in the second game, with the whole all the Rathalos's are flying that way dieing thing
(How I believe Riders first came to be.) Wyverian: "If we kill the Rathian guarding the nest and wear her skin as armor it's children will smell her scent on us and love us instantly!" Rider: ".......That's GENIUS!"
As we, know wyverians can enter some kind of resonnance with powerful elder dragons, just like the Seeker in World foresaw the birth of Xeno and the wake of fatalis (he probably is the one also who found the secluded valley) or the twins in Rise. So them having kinship with young monsters, raising them and bonding for a really long time make sense. With humans, I feel like it would work with fast growth rate monsters (manly bird wyverns and some others), but each will have one fully grown monster as a partner. I'm also the impression that felynes have something to do with the birth of Riders. I'm not sure how, but they probably helped with something important. I also think Riders are already seeping into mainline Monster Hunter thanks to the art of "taming" (for a long time at that). In the 5th gen, we have winged drakes, raptor-like bird wyvers and small monsters. With Frontier, we could have small wing drakes instead of palicos (like we're falconeers). Here's how I would see Riders in a mainline game: - One lifelong partner in the form of a big monser with a slow growth rate ( big bird wyvern, flying wyvern, fanged wyvern, leviathan, brute wyvern). You only have one you chose at the start of the game and it gives you various pros & cons. You can bring the partner on your outings, ride it to travel or fight (like Rise), but also fight alongsite it (the monster fights as he sees fit but listens to your commands in real time, but there are some cons with it). When its life is dangerously low, it retreats. they progress slowly but gain new moves as they level up. the higher the monster tier is, the slower is the growth rate, stronger are the pros and harsher are the cons. I say you could chose an Elder dragon, but you would have to forego one or to of the other categories. Example: you have a Tigrex as a partner. You travel fast and far but he requires lots of food stops. He listens well since his movepool is rather simple, but he's prone to anger (he then uses more charges) - two to three small monsters with a fast growth rate (small bird wyverns, fanged wyverns & beasts). though you can't ride them like Rise, you can use one as a mount and hit like we saw in Wilds' trailer. you work with the others as a pack leader and their obey your orders to the letter, giving you a lot of perks in the fight. But they're pretty fragile and die if your're not careful, though their fast growth rate allows you to raise onother one pretty fast. -The palico or the small winged drake. the palico gives you life support skills or rides the monster in your place (if your partner is angry, he can soothe him into obediance or guide the small pack while you heal or sharpen). The small winged drake, or falcon, would be the ultimate botherer for the monster, like throwing or spitting at it with something of your choosing (rocks, status saliva), targetting injured parts to anger it faster, harassing it when it tries to eat or go to sleep. Or it would be the perfect delivery drone which brings to you what was asked (essentially crafting items fuond in nature) On a final note, as I was watching something on Wilds' trailer about the local hunter with the strange staff/sword, I imagined a weapon which would allow you to temporarily "tame" the small agressive monsters and use them in fight (Think "Drago Bludvist" from How to Train your dragons 2). Since the weapon would be meant to be used on the Seikret, you wouldn't need much "on the ground" gamplay and you can change weapon on the go anyway. With stronger weapons, you have better control on your pack and your orders are clearer (for them) and more diversified (you go from "target a part" to individual strategies, just like a rider).
Yeah those are really good points, they are toying alot more now with hunters and monster companions especially with wilds so maybe we could see something more in the future
My personal head canon is that the Stories games take place LONG, LONG before the main series games take place, in a forgotten age. A world where Riders and Hunters were somewhat aware of and co existed with each other, fast forward a couple centuries later however and the way of Hunter has persisted while Riders faded into myth along with their knowledge of Kinship. The tales of these mythical Riders however live on in the form of the "Stories" games and were possibly popular among children, giving cadence to the more cartoony, cutesy art style and fantastical elements compared to the main series. Despite the absence of Riders, Hunters inspired by their stories begin to try their hand at taming monsters beyond the typical beasts of burden like aptanoth and many cultures around the new and old world are now known for their unity with certain monsters like the palamute and the new sekret. Other "riding" methods are also developed such as tailraiding and wyvern riding.
Excellent video, though I think you may have overstated how hostile the Guild is toward Riders in the present. In the first game all it takes for most of the Hunters to at least grudgingly accept and work with our player character is for the local Guildmaster (who secretly already knew of Riders) to vouch for us, and in Stories 2 Rider villages are engaging in open cultural exchange with the Guild. That instance turned out badly admittedly, but most of the antagonistic Hunters ended up actually being part of a cult of fanatical Hunters and Riders rather than loyal to the Guild.
Yeah i see your point but hunters also obey the guild master at the end of the day so they had to put aside their opinions as such so it just depends on the situation
Wyvern Riding is a mainline mechanic of rise so it shouldn't be a stretch to see Riders being incorporated into the mainline series, the way I see it as the series enter a more open world, riding monsters as a traveling mechanic should naturally lead to a greater introduction of Riders as an opposing factor against the Hunters.
I have a head cannon that the Rider civilization is what the ancient civilization was essentially before the EDW. We know the ancient civilization lived beside monsters side by side. Kinship and other things seem like a high form of technology. Riders are what is left of the group after the fall in its purest form. Hunters formed after the fall.
For that work Redan (said to be an ancient Hunter who became the first Rider) would have had to have somehow rediscovered Riding instead of originating it.
@@TalanWH Redan, he's an important historical figure from the first Stories game. Red may well have been named after him, though I don't think that's ever confirmed. He probably doesn't have any wiki pages about him since not much is known about him beyond the few things said about him in Stories 1. The Ruins of Redan (a location you can readily search for videos of) location in that game is said to have been the home he built for himself after being exiled from the rest of human society due to his bonds with monsters. However, his heroics would lead to him gaining allies. He is said to have defeated a early occurrence of the Black Blight.
Now well not sure if you saw Ever Part of Both Stories 1 and 2 but there are few other stuff to take Note First in The Anime version of monster hunter stories in the Japanese version with its second season there are More Villains theme Riders the Nergo Riders Or the Rider Villain group in Stories 2 that Either try to Steal Kinship Stone for there Own Selfish gain or Awaken a Dangerous Monster like An Elder dragon like what The Villain Team in Stories 2 did then With Charater Like Revelto and Kyle being Hunter that Eventually Learn How Riders Worked Together and Eventually Help the Protagonist in the story and Kyle did Help The Stories 2 Protag Leo/Leia and Razewing Ratha Defeat Oultra being the Elder dragon the True Wings of Ruin it really depends on many factors of a Rider & Hunter Encounter I Personally Hope that Stories 3 has that The Big Boss Monsters in the Hub Quests Can be Monsties in Stories 3 but who know how the next Installation will go but i be looking forward to it just as much as Monster Hunter Wilds itself
i dont see the Stories saga could merge into the main line forever (i wish), but i can see a game were these two are toguether, where firts you decide what you want to be, a Rider or a Hunter, whatever you decide this two will be diferent from each other having each one they own storie, but some important points make it like is all happening toguether until finally both sides are completly in the same story, of corse, most of it and your desicion will be diferent for both sides but still will arrive to a point all get conected, and i feel will be cool this way so have more history to uncover, in the ride side mostly have more about a Ying Yang thing, of have a balance and respect the monsters as learn more of history, as the Hunters learn about profit and how monsters are dangers to the world, but still each one have pieaces of lore is important are from the oposite side are more interested to learn, i dont know, there a ton of posibility of a big history to make it with this two toguether and also, gameplay too, imagine you are a in a hunt of a big monster and one of you team is a rider just figthing with the monster with his Monstie? i feel cool seeing both side fighthing toguether Also imagine in the Rider side, if they get saw by hunters one of the thing they have to do is run away and hide as posible, like assanssisd creed sort way? if they caugth will happen multiple diferent things, like they escape succesfully with they monstie, or sadly they monstie was taked away to investigation, or worse! due you was caugth multiple times they gonna ejecute your monstie, and if you not arrive in time you see you buddy dead, this also can affect in the storie too, or same go if they try to befriend hunters, slowly earning they respect, and you can see some admiring your monstie, try to know more about your bond with the monster and even ask you if can pet them! (i will die of cuteness if there a option of it, and you see a scarry hunter petting you monster like was a puppy) and same go arround with the hunter, the hunter earn respect by doing normal hunter stuff and start to get problems if got tooo much hunting and some riders try to stop becuse is starting to unbalance things, causing a lot of problems, i can imagine Riders sabotagin you Hunts making the Monster run away succesfully even stealing you! there a lot of ideas of how these Riders can mess you up, but if the Hunters only hunts the nesesary or monters are a problem to everyone and treat kindly to the monster arround them, Riders will be more open up with the Hunter, maybe will take a lot to make a Rider to get close to you but that will be work it when you archive it open you to a sociadity you dont know, and tons and tons of culture and LOREEEEE, and interact with the monsties, and even doing some task with it like, take the monsties a bath, feed them, help them train them, or help a Riders who are back from food or investigacion to arrive safety yara yara i feel will be more impacted if two players play in the same game file (in a diferent console ofc, not in the same one) where each other mostly dont have much idea will happen in each other side, taking a lot of the desicion and morality of both of this people as decide each one other a diferent path, i dont know if alredy exist this kind of "mecany" yet, but ofc, the story will not progress if one of the other side dint arrive to the same point as the other did im sorry for the long post, i just get too exited of the concept of a Rider and Hunter be as equal not in a separate game/saga, i hope my ideas like it!
Thanks for the very detailed response! I think a game like your idea where you could chose either side and they could have maybe an intertwined conflict or storyline. Would be very cool for the series and give both lore and details as to how they interact with the wider world at large.
i want a quest where your sent down to fight a monster and when the monster lose 1/4 of its health a rider comes to save their monstie where you either fight or let go of the monstie
I feel like the guild may take riders as a threat because of the rite of channeling which allows you to add a monsters skills like I added a teostras supernova to my dreadking making him more powerful and not like any monster that they have seen similar to if they grow like gardian ratha they can be seen as a threat
To me hunters and riders are the result of similar yet different philosophies that came about due to the fall of the ancient civilization. They both revere nature and seeks to care for it, but their methods differ. The philosophy that became the hunters opted to be an enforcer of balance by removing the bad actors and promoting academic understanding while the philosophy that became the riders opted for coexistence by forging bonds with monsters and tieing the two together. There are faults with both as neither people are infallible with the Hunters Guild not knowing the full complexity of the ecosystem they seek to protect particularly when it comes to elder dragons and and the forged bonds of riders can turn very bad with their enhanced monsters as a result of their gene splicing rituals wrecking even greater damage to the ecosystem. The cold relation between Hunters and Riders likely stims from these two directions and the history of the Wyverians are likely more complicated due to it. I presume that the upper echelon of the Hunters Guild are aware of the existence of Riders, but since Riders want to have as little interaction with Hunters as possible they don't really know where those settlements are. When a rider or one of their settlements actually contacts the Guild then the matter is very urgent and likely given the upmost importance.
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Well tbh i dont think riders can be implemented to a real time action game bc of the size of monsties the best we can do is like bayonetta origins but even then controlling 2 fighters at the same time would be pretty hard and its most likely not happening but we can get them as companians in future games maybe so its not out of the relm of possebleitys
It could be fun if there was a game that would let you choose to be either a rider or a hunter. My first mh game was mh stories 2 because I didn’t think I would like the whole fighting aspect of normal mh games but now I’ve started to play rise and I enjoy it a lot so it could be cool to combine both sides
I think it would be interesting to see how the other side treats you. Maybe you could choose whether to try to befriend them or be against them or even work for both idk
Yeah i would like a game like that where you could choose either or at the beginning, and yeah i loved stories 2 and it had alot of monsters like the deviants i liked
I wanna play a game where we hunt down riders and their beloved mounts then wearing armor and weapons on their likeness. It could even be vice versa it'll be a cool concept.
@@user-sk3ir1gh4j I don't mean some good vs evil, I want a game where its a full blown war. Where we put down those Kaiju sympathizer and hunt their pets for skin.
@@leogazebo5290 so a rogue hunter cause killing riders out right would be horrible also sense the rite of channeling exists you could be dealing with a dreadking rathalos with teo supernova this can also ruin the delicate balance riders try to sustain causing more rouge riders to try and get revenge on the hunters for this reason this could cause a full blown rider vs hunter war but both are great at keeping balance cause if this happened oltora and maki puru would be left unattended and basically start the apocalypse like I like the idea but if it’s not rouge riders that just want to cause chaos like anvils this would not make sense
@@user-sk3ir1gh4j Perhaps but I want there to be a sanction mission to raid the villages of Kaiju sympathizers and their dinosaur mounters. Not out of honor or clash of ideologies, just want to do it.
