Ridiculously strong Tier 3 rush! Beyond All Reason Build Guide 

This format is way better than just watching your silently play the game. As exiting as BAR is standing alone, you giving your opinion on certain aspects of the game is the best part about the videos.

I did not expect the amount of chaos those tier 3 units could create when properly micro, the game went from fairly stable lanes and "borders" to pandemonium after they made a breakthrough.

Definitely like the post commentary more than the live gameplay.

Love this format! I love how easy it is to watch and analyze top players' builds in this game. It's even easier when you do it for me!

So glad this game is getting traction. Grew up on TA. I really love that there is a win condition that is actually often met, and the skirmishes to push the line are just so good.

I like both watching you play and I think it's also great you commentating over your gameplay. It's nice seeing both.

Also loving post commentary videos! They educate me the most and always draw me to watch the whole video

Love the format, this is exactly what im most interested in. Tips and tricks / mind processes of better players with a good dose of silliness :D

Love the format, and it seemed like you were a little nervous. Dont forget to have fun with it. The city skylines jokes were great.

I like this variant. Thanks for years of entertainment!

i kinda wish to see the evolution of these plays as there has to be a good counter to it as players get better and more adjusted to builds like this, would definitely be more interesting to see a strat like this be stopped but still provide a significant advantage to a team as they go into the late game stalemate slugfest with titans and jugs. nice to see other units being used too, i noticed how there is like 40 units per faction but generally only saw like 5 being utilized in any game

Thank you for the video Winter! Fun strategy

Very good video, showing how this game is next level is a great idea. Thx

It's a good format and as you said, it get much more infos across.

4:35 I dont think that was a joke, because it actually works, we all see him using 3 unit successfully handle a line with triple the enemy count, it works. The question is will it always work, answer is no, but it did works in that game. I think once we familiar with a specific build, the different between players in just going to be how flexible they are when facing different situation, how fast they can make adjustment.

Clyret said in one of his recent games he started a new trend that Marauder is OP. By him saying that he means they are NOT OP :) Clyret is in a league of his own in both 1v1 and team games. He can win in any way he wants so dont blindly believe anything he does is OP just because the best player of BAR can do it. Check replay of him playing vs therxy 1v1 and be amazed. He basically makes fun of you meanwhile winning in stunning (literally) fashion.

I will argue with the commander sacrifice. It is not always necessary.

Thanks Winter. Appreciate this video.

Loving it! Though... Please stop zooming so much, my eyes are getting too old to keep up without motion sickness XD

@Wintergaming what is the name of the player you got the build from? You said it a couple times but I couldn't quite understand - Clyrit? Klirate?

im still new but if i go air at min 10 i roam with 20 bomber and if i nuke rush usually it land at min 15 (with geo is all more easy). so expect better player to do better for timing your defences guys

Just found this game and starting to get into it... But what is the reason for building the metal extractors off-center to the node? Do you get almost the same metal extraction with the ability upgrade a more advanced metal extractor later without having to reclaim or place it on a different node?

What was the music winter had playing? Shit's fire

Ok, ok, ookayyy, i have a couple questions(1/2): What i absolutely do not understand, is why the win/lose condition is killing their/losing your commander, AND YET, a major mechanic is suicide-martyr-ing your commander for early game metal. Why isn't that the equivalent of Alt+F4-ing? What's the subsequent win/lose condition after salvaging your commander? Does it, then, become losing your buildings (the trade off being the relative lower combined HP of your buildings in comparison to your commander)?

Now all team games will end at 6 mins because everyone sacs their commander lol

gunslinger is honestly why I prefer armada, it is solid, has decent dps fast learning and self repair

Cool video, taught be alot 👍

powerful magic!

Can advanced Solar dodge nukes?

What? Units in BAR Level up?

nice

Me when the youtuber says that 1:70 ratio is more efficient than 1:6 when comparing start up costs. (Metal per energy)

Bunch of rookies like me going into ladder to try it out... 3, 2, 1....🎉

Really nice format! But please, do not zoom in and out the whole time, it is really hard to follow. I know its a handy tool, but for replay purposes it would gain the viewer so much if pan and skips were used instead of zooming, as often thats possible of course. Otherwise great :)

(2/2) ALSO, Winter and other peoples, you have said this is the sequel to Total Annihilation. Wasn't Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance the sequel to that game?? Wouldn't that make this the sequel to Supreme Commander (We wont talk about how EA "Activisioned" SupCom2 ((AND CNC 😭)) before Activision made it mainstream)? Lastly, at the risk of triggering people; also, acknowledging that more races/more units isnt necessarily better gameplay and/or balance-wise, especially in pvp where having more than 2 players on a map is concerned: Why should I play this game over SupCom FA when SupCom FA seems to have more races, more units (very cool looking units i might add), not to mention the commander blows up in a much more dramatic nuclear fireball mushroom cloud? Sup Com FA has the player supported and curated Forged Alliance Forever community (aforementioned "EA-Activisioned" notwithstanding) is this F2P Beyond All Reason game somehow related to that?

make nuke rush build

For a long time this unit was useless, finally it becomes useful. It is far away from being op. All depending on the situation. Seems like your team was winning also without you and u were I guess far ahead with eco at that point. U could have build any other unit and winning the game the same way. Build razorbacks, build vanguards, everything would have won that game

More post commentary

I strongly recommend that you keep to the original game soundtrack or something similar. This anime thing you played is completely generic and out of context.

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Hi RU-vid :)

Very good and informative format. It is especially good to demonstrate some strategic depths of BAR, because not a lot of players understand how many options and solutions there are to pick from. I have literally had players harassing me for starting Air Factory just 3 minutes before I flattened four of our opponent's economies in a row.

Can you explain what the end graph shows for player stats. I see MC/m MP/m and all these but I have no idea what those mean. Was wondering if I can use those to gauge where to improve.

just keep in mind this was an extremely ideal situation where his front line wasn't collapsing, the enemy had no air support and didn't in any way threaten his team's back line.

Marauders are CRAZY strong. Even when you're up against Cortex monsters, so what? You can ignore them, run around and destroy the enemy base and let their chonk-walkers run into your gattling plasma cannons. Or even still, fight them head on, and use their stupid fast speed to micro each marauder back into some butlers and you'll hardly ever lose one besides from enemy sniper fire. They have AA. They have enough health to take at least 2-3 hits before needing repairs vs tier 3 shots. They're stupid cheap to be replaced even if you lose half of them. As a Mad-Cat mechwarrior pilot of 25 years, this is the best unit in the game, lol

I prefer replays. And more steady camera =)

I like the narration. I too get really focused and quiet while playing the game. Might take some practice for commentary while playing a game like this. When the gf talks I barely hear what she's saying lol.

I like this style of video. Usually the 8v8 games are too chaotic for me to grok, but just following your build and perspective with commentary is very clean.

You should try the experimental hover tanks for the memes. I think they're similar cost to marauder.

00:50 PENGUIN SPOTTED!!! Penguins are the bestest animals. 🥰🐧 15:20 Whyyy??? Don't switch it off, is hilarious! 😄 Top gameplay, top music, btw. Subscribed. 🙂🤘

I liked the idea of getting an air plant solely for the con and a transport for engi turrets. I was thinking it was bad because it's so much metal to commit, but if you just reclaim it after those 2 units are out then all it costs is some BP and energy, which isn't that much for a t1 air plant. t1 air cons feel soooo much better to build with than any other con just because they don't spend half their time getting out of their own way to set down the blueprint.

/violent war flashbacks to trying to react to the marauders with my snipers. Like to be fair I was frontlining. :P

I like the idea of commenting on replay a lot. You can tell everything you were thinking about during game and other interesting stuff beyond(heh) that.

Great format, these break downs help us noobs

I like this format !

That was really awesome!

Please feed me more of those ! Thanks has always for the amazing video ♥

a really simple thing to improve your early macro - focus on building one thing at a time. If you build a t1 geo, build it fast before you self-d your comm or start the t2 lab. Then when you're making t2 mexes, build one at a time with all your buildpower to get them online faster. Only reclaim basic solars when you're actually stalling m or close to, and then reclaim them fast with all your nanos together. You also leave a lot of those basic solars unreclaimed while youre stalling hard building the gantry and marauders. On such a metal rich spot, with 4 mexes some of which are even +3.0m, it might not even be useful to blow your commander to afford t2, you could afford it without that and make use of the comm's buildpower and resource generation for longer, you can still do it later get that 2k m later to finance your fusion or gantry, when you've got more nanos and buildpower isn't as scarce anymore.

I know you said you prefer team maps with lane-based layouts rather than back line positions, but I like maps with naval or back line positions because they emphasize proper scouting and increase the strategic complexities of the situation. When every single player has to make units to survive and keep from getting pushed, that obviously slows down tech and econ and makes things like nuke rushes, 10 minute bomber assassinations and early t2 or t3 timings less feasible. But it also means you loosely know from the start what the other players are doing, it will be "standard" play and it is going to be predictable, and unless some people are inexperienced or make critical mistakes, it's how you end up with gargantuan 1.5 hour long games that bog down your CPU. In this game not a single opponent got vision on your base. They even had an air player with a fighter patrol, but not a single person did a scout sweep of your side of the map. They had T2 and they could have countered your marauders with things like Starlight tanks, Banishers, and Snipers just like you said. The blue laser t2 defenses are great at dealing with t3s too, although you may need more than one covering critical approaches with radar coverage and radar targeting. But no one even put forth a serious effort trying to find out what your team's back line was doing. Whenever you notice an opponent on the enemy team isn't making units, you NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. This becomes doubly important whenever an enemy sacrifices a com in the early game. Don't just assume they're an idiot, they could be snowballing absurd econ and rushing nukes, massing huge wings of bombers, or rushing t2/t3. It's really the air player's job to find that out, because very few players build enough AA to completely deny scouting and it's way harder to scout comprehensively with land units. It's completely valid to build 30 air scouts and sweep the whole map at 10 minutes, and that's way better than massing fighters "in case" they go air, too. It's probably easier and better to scout at 5-6 minutes with just a handful of scouts because it's less likely an enemy on the team will have fighter screens, but if they do, you can accomplish the same thing by sacrificing your own fighters to dogfight on top of their bases. Vision is vision. Back in the Spring/TA days there was a huge flat featureless grass map that had no metal spots but good wind. The only econ was wind farms/metal makers. It made for big, slow paced, epic games and any substantial damage to the enemy energy production was generally critically decisive.. I would play air and sweep the whole enemy base line and I'd mark every wind farm and factory and any large valuable targets. Back then fighters could actually do a little damage to ground, so I'd scout with a hundred or two hundred fighters and snipe a com or a fusion with them while I was at it. It might sound OP, but every once in a while I'd conga line my whole fighter swarm into a flak turret and accomplish little, so I'd just take my constructor swarm and slap down some t1 factories with nanos and start spamming out units near the front line. That was almost 20 years ago now. Good times.

Love this format, get lots more out of it. Great work

As a new player that has been playing front-line Cortex exclusively, I have never made T3 units. I wonder if there is a build variant for Cortex that is as devastating. This build looks like so much fun! Thank you for the fresh and exciting content. Keep it coming!

The one down vote was probably from red since he was the first unlucky customer. That or the spectator that got muted. Also, TY Winter for not playing COH music this time at least. Hearing WW2 game music while watching mech opera was pain.

I understand why most like this format, but I prefer the live gameplay. I dont necessarily care for all the knowledge, I just like watching a pro gramer's decision making in action.

IMO using the replay is the way to go. Let's you do your best at both playing and commenting. Being able to pause and look around the map makes for deeper commentary. If only they had a rewind.

Had a lvl 1 player try this on a map with only frontlines. needless to say I got rolled by the combined forces of 2 players and his base was destroyed. Luckily the reclaim bounced me back up and I was able to hold my base long enough for my allies to clean up lol.

Really happy people can't execute this as well as you can. I saw this video yesterday and then today 3 people on the enemy team used this strat. I 1 v 2'd this rush with my Sheldon's, the enemy did not micro well and I pushed through to end :)

i love this video im going to try this im going to fail at it but ill try it. can you do a couple videos where you show how to front line in really noob orientated detail for me a giant nob please

Oh no, I had a feeling you'd upload this one because of how fast the T3 came and messed our team up XD

You missed a mex to upgrade in your base lol, it was sitting there as basic mex the whole time.

" bar has a solid replay system" "You cant rewind" ????????????

I enjoy both formats to these BAR videos

for some reason i feel that after a certain amount of build structures the time for construction doesn;t change

so much better than those insufferable noobs that think Dragons are good to rush.

Did bhe explain why he was not reclaiming his solar collectors?

i like this format more as a youtube watcher. love yas winter keep it up

It's a Mad Dog mixed with a Blackjack!

"Trickle down mech-onomics" is a great term.

I'm here for the 'second helping' as winter calls it

nooo u gave away my strat now i cant bully the noob lobbies

I love it when people start sentences and don't...

Looking scary. Show me more!

Very nice format of video

more of this format for sure

Winter is being insane😅

U can try load duplocating video, one as is when u play, and other with commentary via replay and look who have more views)

the re-watch feature does not have a rewind? what the heck, I feel like that is a basic feature to have but maybe I am just spoiled

Great video!

Loved this

Good game

I got facerolled with Marauders rush yesterday as top player. When I saw them I knew it's gg. What do you think is a good counter to them? I mean they are cheap - just like Bull tank but it has more range, dps and speed. I would say Marauders are just too cheap. What do you think?

This is such a helpful guide, honestly. All the details sprinkled in about how you time your opening and why, and constructor turret saturation, or the bit about where the interface shows energy converter usage are incredibly helpful. This game has a lot going on, and it's hard to know these details without either having someone say it, or doing a bunch of math.

i like both these kinda commentary videos and the silent sweaty vods. on the vods i can try and piece together what you're thinking by myself which kinda helps train my intuition

Problem is you seem to commit to either unit production or economy in the later stages of the game when you really should be setting up a slow eco build up (1 AFU/4Acon) while pumping units to avoid letting your enemies outscale you.

Can you only self destruct your commander in multiplayer?

cool guide! loving the game and I'm stoked that you're doing content for it!

the feeling of breaking through the line into enemy eco is so damn good

So they released a new Forged Alliance Forever with some Quality of life changes, will give it a try since im playing FAF alot :D Also im pretty sure but M stands for "Mass" and not for Metal, as it is basically a 1 to 1 copy from FAF

both video types are good, I hope winter keeps making them!

Can’t get enough of your BAR content, thanks again

I wonder what the drop off curve is for build power.