Getting mine this week. Had one on loan over the weekend last week and loved it. By far the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden, and I love how quiet the belt drive is. Can't wait to finally get it
Great review Chris. I just bought the Charger 3 GT Vario 2022 for myself and the Charger 3 Mixte GT Vario 2022 for my wife. We bought them from Scooteretti in Ottawa, Canada. The owner indicated he had met you. We pick them up next week. Can't wait.🙂
Thanks so much for your consistent support and comments. It hasn’t gone unnoticed. I’m excited to have this opportunity to make these videos and it can be overwhelming at times but having reaffirming feedback helps me to know I’m on the right track. Thanks again!
Hi Chris. Fantastic review of the R&M Charger 3. I have decided to go electric and have now ordered the Charger 3. From Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. In Brisbane we are blessed with great bike paths, so I am looking forward to an easier commute to work each day. I love your RU-vid channel. I have learnt so much!
Hey Anthony, how has your charger3 been? And have you left your biked unattended here in brissy? Eg. Cafe, groceries etcc. Im based in brissy too and deciding between nevo3 and charger3. Was initially thinking of the tinker but i realised for longer rides like 20km the bigger wheels are probably better. Keen to hear your thoughts on riding r&m in brissy. Cheers ps. Chris at propel we love your caps do you sell them ? :)
Hi Joel. The Charger 3 is great around Brisbane. Great range with 625wh battery. I don’t leave it out of eyesight if riding and at a cafe etc. I have an ABUS folding alarm lock. Enjoy your new bike when you get it. Regards. Anthony.
@@anthabr cheers. If you don't mind me asking, how much kilometers are you typically getting from a full charge? And do you have the kiox or the nyon display? Did you get yours from electric bikes brisbane? :)
Hi Joel. I went for the Nyon display. The range depends on the mode you ride in and the number of hills. With a combination of economy and touring only, I am getting around 120km from a single charge. Yes. I ordered through Electric Bikes Brisbane.
The Charger 3 is the e-bike I have been waiting for the last 2 years. I dipped my finger into the e-bike water a few years ago when I purchased a Tinker HS. The most positive aspects about the Charger 3 is the Generation 4 Bosch motor. The reduction drag is gone and according to the review it rides much more efficiently over 21 mph. Torgue is also increased from 63 newton meters to 75. The motor is also smaller & more integrated into the frame. Finally, I like the powertube and its integration into the frame. Of course these are my opinions
As always, a very comprehensive and informative video, thanks. As far as you know, can the Gen IV Bosch motor be made to work with a chip tuning box such as badass?
Thanks! I’m not really too familiar with these tuning systems. The one caution I would add is that the new systems can now detect tuning so I would be really careful here.
Great work Chris, just buying one now, I was waiting for the Rohlof option on the Charger for a while now. Two questions: 1) Does the light comes with the horn integrated like the delite? 2)what’s the story with the battery cover/mount on these 2020 models? Thanks!
Hi Chris. Have you heard that R&M might be bringing out a Supercharger 3 i.e. with dual batteries and the Gen 4 Bosch motor? That would be my perfect e-bike.
They actually have it already. It’s called the Supercharger2. I know it’s a bit confusing but there was never a New Supercharger so they didn’t feel the need to use the Supercharger 3 name. Below is a video of that bike. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YZ4HDD2sLy4.html
Charger3 vs Delite for a city commute, what would you say? Is control technology worth the price and weight difference in a case like that? Great video as always!
If you have a shorter commute on smoother roads maybe the Charger3. I have back trouble so I really like riding the Delite, but both bikes are great You can get really good comfort on both bikes, but the Charger3 will be a bit more agile and sporty where the Delite is going to be a bit more comfort oriented.
Would you say it’s possible to use the 45NRTH Wrathchild studded tires on this bike? I know they’re 2.6" wide, but there seems to be a good chuck of clearance there. Maybe the lock would be an issue when mounting them?
thanks for mentioning people's heights in the reviews, esp considering the seat-post suspension. I'm a smidge under 5'6 without shoes and find i can be on the limit of even the small sizes in certain manufacturers.
Yes, height and inseam is very important when fitting a bike. Fortunately there are more and more bikes becoming available with different sizes. This one in a 46cm should be good though.
It would be interresting to compare this bike to other similar ones, by example Kalkhoff Endeavour 7.B Belt, which has similar configuration (belt and Enviolo) and similar price, some aspects that seem better (625W battery) or worse (no wheel size option, no front rack option, rear rack with less weight capacity)... Gear ratio of this Enviolo Charger 3 seems far too high for the non HS version.
I hope to do more comparisons later this season. I still have a long list of bikes that I need to review and I can compare after. Kalkhoff isn't available in the US so I doubt I will do that one, but this is great feedback. The bike in test was the non-HS version and I found the gear ratio to be great for my liking.
Gonna change my Charger to Marathon Plus MTB tires now - after 17 months - 15.000 Km with Moto X (3rd set of tires - 4 punctures in total) - off road and under wet/icy conditions the Moto X fails often. I use the Charger all year for commuting and bike touring, gonna change the rear wheel with Enviolo hub now for a Rohloff wheel.
Decisions... I’m sure you would be happy with either. They are both awesome! I always recommend optimizing for your most use scenario. Although having the added range of the Supercharger can’t really hurt.
The charger3 does have an option for a second battery now, but the Supercharger2 isn’t being phased out. Both are still current and will still continue to be.
Does this Charger have to lower step thru that the GT model I see on your website? I am looking for a lower step thru for my wife (with Belt Drive).. also is there any changes for 2021? Thanks!
Hi Chris. Can u please tell me which bike should I pick R&M supercharger2 or R&M superdelite which bike out of these two performance better off road. Am gonna use the bike around 65% on road and 35% off road which bike do u think Is good plss tell me your opinion
Thanks from Belgium for this nice presentation! I bought one GT yesterday, for a probably 60% on/40% off road usage. It was quite difficult to find THE perfect mix, and to choose between available bikes (very few actually, the final other option was a Moustache Xroad 5, maybe better balanced for bot usages, but non available before March 2022 or so). We'll see what Charger 3 will bring, but your video reassured me a lot!
I noticed on a test ride that the motor makes some noise. Is that normal? Friends told me it should not make any noise. But the shop advisor told me it’s because of the 85nm motor. Can hou tell me what it should be?
As always a great review. Quality content right here. I had the honor to build this bike for the last few weeks. I really love it so far. Especially the mixte like it is shown in this video. Since I am a smaller person I didn't quite like the standard Charger. I am still not sure though if I buy the Charger3 Mixte or go big and sporty and buy the Delite Mountain. I am also amazed by the positive standing R&M has in the states. In germany it does not have the best standing if u read the comments under german reviews. I wonder why that is.
Thanks! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve been riding the Charger3 a lot lately. I really like it. Regarding the position, I think it’s just a matter of how the dealers work with them and their customers. It’s a very new model of business and not everyone can adapt so easily, but it’s working well here.
hello what is the size of the motor in the terms normally used like 500 watt or 750 watt motor etc and the battery not clear on that is it a 48 volt or 52 volt or ?? in the terms normally spoken here in the usa thanks henry
Very informative video and nice way of presentation! But I am more confused which bike to pick than before. I have an offer for a 2019 Delite Vario GT with 1000Wh for 5k€ or I could pick the Charger 3 Vario with GX, RX for 5.2k€. Really unsure If I prefer the comfort and range of the Delite over the modern Charger 3.
@@Propelbikes Thank you for your response. Would you prefer having the suspension of the delite over the Gen4 Motor of the Charger 3? In my case the Delite 2019 has Gen2 when I remember correctly.
Hello, 1st i need to ask about Homage GT vario, i am 180 cm height and i dont know which the suitable frame size for me 54 or 58 cm? and for what purpose can use this RX chip is it to track the bike in case i lost it ? and which tire is good for long journey in the street is it Schwalbe super moto-x 62 or Schwalbe rock razor 60? can i add shopping double bag(cargo bag) at the back and is there any issues maybe it will touch the wheel? about charger3 mixed GT vario, what it mean heavy duty package? what is the difference between the charger3 mixed GT vario and charger mixed GT vario? and because charger mixed GT vario only have biggest frame is 49cm is it small for me ? what is the difference between the motor in the above models the Performance Line CX (Gen2) and Performance Line CX (Gen4)? and for the above models can i add the double cargo bag so it will not touch the tire? what is the high security to do when i put the bike in the street ? for the anti theft lock can i add ABUS Bordo Alarm 6000A/90cm black instead of ABUS shield for charger mixed GT Vario? Thanks
Just ordered one and was very much inspired to do so after watching this excellent review and then taking a test drive. Even got this colour and the Rolhoff hub. Takes 5 - 8 weeks to build though, but the weather in Scotland right now is basically raining every day. Still excited though.
How is it? I am about four weeks away from my one in Edinburgh. Ceramic white vario gt with heavy duty. Have you seen there is an update out soon that increases the torque?
Got my bike at the end of April from Edinburgh Bike Coop and have done 430 miles so far. It has been brilliant, and have enjoyed every mile. I have the Rohloff hub, which had a learning curve, but in the end I grew to love it. You will not regret your investment, and the EBC are a great bike shop to deal with.
A good, thorough and detailed review, but ... what's the total weight, max speed, and above all ... the price man, some of us we earn quite difficult 6 grands !
Weight approx 26kg, max speed standard ebike 20 mph high speed is up to around 30 ish mph. price should be around 6000$ don't know the exact price but high speed and rohloff is quite expensive and should be around 7200 or more. but the quality is worth it
Apparently the battery capacity can be increased by mounting an extra battery. Is that really possible. R&M have confirmed this but nobody seems to mention it... So what is it 😁?
You would need a dealer to change the lights to be switchable if they aren't already. Once they are switchable you can use the light button on the display.
Riese & Müller doesn’t offer any bikes with a.throttle and neither does Bosch who is our preferred motor system. We had a pretty extensive discussion about this recently on the below video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PQURq5S2TZs.html I wonder what your thoughts are.
This one starts at $5800 USD but can increase depending on what configuration you select. You can see more details here: propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-charger3/
Hi Chris, I think that there is really a problem with the new Riese and Muller assembly system for the Bosch Powertube batteries (that big rubber part). I mean all 2020 models are concerned. I am facing such problem because my Supercharger2 has been deliverd to me with one faulty battery (i.e. not working at all). In such case R and M ask me to deal directly with Bosch. This is what I did but R and M didn't answer to another very important question: who is responsible of unmouting and mounting that rubber adapter. They just told me by email that the risk is very high to destroy that adapter when unmounting it. Have you some experience in your shops of such technical operations ? One day every owner of a RM 2020 bike will face this issue when replacing a battery will be necessary. Best regards
Sid, this is good feedback. I think you should request that the dealer get a new one from R&M to mount on the battery. I also noticed that it’s not easy to remove it and I think the only way is to install a new one. I believe the dealer is responsible and the dealer should get support from R&M on that.
@@Propelbikes Thank's for your comment. This is my situation now. A new battery is on the way and sent by Bosch directly. Today, I asked RM how to unmoun/mount the rubber adapter. The answer that I got make me speechless. They ask the dealer to "try" to unmont the adapter with potentialy a risk to damage it..and if that happens, the dealer should contact RM to get a new one (adapter). This is really a big mess. My feeling is that a big mistake has been made during the design of this new ebike generation regarding to the previous one. RM has to admit it. Regards. Sid
I think this is something your dealer should sort out. The new cover is really nice, but it is challenging to work with replacing it on the battery. You shouldn’t have to worry about this, the dealer should take care of it.
At the moment it doesn’t seem to be available in the US. I love the folks behind Husqvarna but I prefer the subtle styling and features of the R&M. Not sure if we’ll have them in our shop if they do make their way to the US, but time will tell.
