SO I find it amazing how I catch little things between tv series' and their movie counterparts. This one shows that it doesn't pay to be friends with Klingons, other than Worf.
In these clips of Riker dining with the Klingons, (and there are several out there) they always leave out my favorite part, small but telling. It occurs after Klag teases Riker about having the females breast feed him and everyone, including Riker, has a good laugh. Riker tells Klag he is surprised because he never envisioned Klingon warriors laughing and joking, that he always thought of them as cold and serious. Klag admits that he always thought of Star Fleet officers the same way, then added, "Perhaps we are not so different after all." That understanding, I think, was the real start of the friendship.
@@TRoller927 says: *But It's with Lursa and B'ehtor. The two most dishonorable Klingons aside from their brother Duras. Klag deserved a better end.* Then Klag shouldn't have joined Lursa and B'ehtor because as a result he deserved the end that he got.
According to Memory Beta, when, then, Cadet Riker took the Kobayashi Maru, he challenged the commander of the Klingon task force to EVA one-on-one combat, giving his crew time to repair the Kobayashi Maru. He died in the process, but both ships managed to escape the encounter. So yeah, I think he's got a firm grip on Klingon culture.
@@GORF_EMPIREno doubt I've watched a bit of the original and everything from next gen to Enterprises. I'm not a diehard but I know more then the average person.
According to the books, Klag ended up killing Kargan and taking his command when the captain showed cowardice in the face of the enemy during the Dominion War. Klag eventually ended up with his own Vorch'a class ship, IKS Gorkon, with Toq (the young Klingon Worf rescued from the Romulan prison planet in a later episode) as one of his junior officers.
if tv has taught me one thing, it's to pretend to turn away and then turn back and sucker punch people who get in your way. Works every time. Thanks, stng.
@@JasonAguirre when they made that movie, there was no way to know what future movie villains would be like, so it was unavoidable. But now that future Griff exists in the past, he is susceptible to the technique. The technique only works in present or past context.
@@JasonAguirre When Marty traveled to the future, Griff was already in the future, and so he could see the punch coming. It is impossible to sucker punch someone who is in the future, even when you go to the future. If a punch like that were to land, the space time continuum would rupture and the universe would explode.
This is actually a real thing... if you're in an argument with somebody and they glance away in a casual manner they are probably about to strike. Be ready for it.
Klingon's can be violent, but most of them aren't stupid. Klag would probably be executed by his Captain before the day is out for killing a Starfleet officer for no reason.
it would have been awesome both of them on DS9..can you imagine the fun and chaos they would cause? and maybe steal the runabout and pick a fight with the dominion...
Klaag apparently ended up siding with the Duras sisters and became their navigator in ST Insurrection (or was it Generations?) Where he and the girls got Kirked
@@SantomPh It was Generations. He was the one that yelled "We are cloaking! Our shields are down!" right before the Enterprise blew them up with a torpedo, and subsequently was blown up.
@@CptChaos47 it would be sad to see Klaag end up fighting for the Duras faction but perhaps his captain was so pissed off with Riker he chose the side that opposed the Federation
Watching Riker and Klag become BFF's on the bridge, made me wonder how many bridge consoles get shorted out and damaged as Klingons practice "male bonding"??
Another observation: Klingon repair crews must be phenomenally skilled to repair them in so short of a time that it never seems to affect ship operations. :)
@@loka7783 I'm sure they use the Soviet approach to technology: Inferior, rugged, and nearly indestructable. 😉 Compared to the Federation, that uses the American approach: Advanced, delicate, and prone to failure every few episodes/hours. 😅
I've always nursed a theory that the whole incident in this episode with the hull parasite was actually a test by the Klingons. They wanted to see how things would go, and were perhaps hoping that Riker would go so far in his duty as to destroy the Enterprise, and take his rightful place as a Captain in the Klingon Defense Force. Or, he would fail to honor their ways and would prove that exchanging officers was a bad idea. It was brilliant of him to think of an alternative though I do wonder what a Klingon Riker would be like. I bet he'd be glorious.
Fanon story where Riker is temporarily commissioned as captain on a warbird, and all the crew respect the absolute shit out of him as "Riker the Klingon" because his name is legend on Qonos
Unless he was a spy? I know Klingons are generally NOT keen on spy craft, but there are exceptions, and I think someone in the Klingon high council might want to keep an eye on the family of Duras because of how treacherous they have been, especially if someone got wind of them getting a weapon that could bring the current empire regime to their knees.
Actually, the line was "We ARE cloaking! Our shields are down!" A Klingon ship can only have shields up while the cloak is disabled. They will raise shields as the cloak is turning off. As the ship slowly fades into visibility, the shields are coming up.
@@Biden_is_demented now just throw Kirk in there as some kind of grand master mentor of alien poon they follow the teachings of lol 😂 I would totally watch that and am not afraid to admit it
@@Kalenz1234 Leaving the romulans and cardassians and specifically Damar out is just cold.Without them all 3 of them would have died. Ross I dont believe ever personally was on any ship that was fighting?
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Ross took command during the final push to Cardassia. I don't know if he is shown taking part before. Even so he was in command of the Federation fleet. He decided where to go and laid out the battle plan. Even Martok went on several operations or sent Klingon fleets according to Ross' suggestion without question. If a Klingon general trusts a human in military matters without question that human is doing something right.
Klag appears in the Star Trek expanded universe, so to the authors, who had to go by canon, there was an understanding that the helmsman in Generations was not Klag.
Riker is far more dangerous than most of his opponents realize, he's tough, smart, and knows several martial arts. Jonathan frakes played him brilliantly, and he obviously did that fight scene very well
Reusing shots is one way of making these films and movies more affordable. of course, the editors can do some color modification and recut them so they don't appear to be the same.
I actually thought that this was an example of how desperate the Duras sisters were. They couldn't get an up to date ship so they had to take an old one. Perhaps I read too much into it.
Really, that episode was more about him and Klag bonding. I would have loved a DS9 episode with Will guest-starring, during the Dominion War, trying to return the favor by borrowing the Defiant, Worf, and O'Brien for an hour of screen time, to rescue Klag from a Dominion prison camp or something.
Hmm. When I now watch the two series back to back and this episode comes up, I often wonder what happened to Klag and the rest of the crew during the war with The Dominion. Were all the Klingons we met in this episode killed? Probably so, and I find that kind of sad.
What I'd like to see is a story where Lwaxanna Troi was captured by The Dominion, perhaps it would have been discovered that she was replaced by a changling, and thus was being kept in a Dominion prison camp somewhere in the Alpha quadrant. Anyway, a rescue expedition would then be sent out to find and rescue her, led by _Alexander Roeshenko_ ! Dianna Troi, and some other past character could be included, and they would all have to grow and adapt as soldiers and warriors to rescue her. (No Worf in this story). At the end, Alexander would be killed, and Lwaxanna Troi would be one of the people who'd do the Klingon Death Scream. And, She would then _understand why_ Klingons do that; she would have become a little bit Klingon, herself. That ending would show the kind of understanding of Alien mentalities that protagonists gain, in the best Star Trek stories.
"Near-exact"? I don't think so. The Root of that story would be the expansion on Alexander's character, and his friendship with Lwaxanna Tro, from his childhood, into his adulthood.
@@TheNoiseySpectator Just like they further expanded Nog's character and his relationship with his father and uncle, with Brunt providing comic relief? I will give you that I would have preferred your story, instead of the hour of "Ferengi Funnies" that happened instead, but the episodes are still pretty much the same thing, have the same premise, and would have had similar outcomes, save that yours calls for the death of a semi-major character. It would have added more back story to Alexander, and I would really like to see how you'd justify Deanna's mom having a familial relationship with Alexander, given that he was initially sent back to Earth with Worf's parents, and migrated to Klingon space afterwards. I'm not knocking you for proposing the idea, understand, I would just like to see the reasoning.
Love how star trek pays attention to little details. Like at 3:24 when klag hits riker in the neck. Rikers whole head went forward because that's how strong klingons are.
+Leo Peridot Considering the Federation's long history of war with the Klingons, I think it's more likely that every member of Starfleet receives specific training in fighting Klingons hand-to-hand. You see Riker use a leverage throw here, which supports this. If Starfleet knows crews will likely end up fighting trained warriors which are physically stronger and more durable than humans, they'll use Judo and Aikido techniques for using an opponent's strength against them.
+Leo Peridot You don't need to be Bruce Lee to learn practical techniques for defeating larger and stronger opponents. Women's self-defence courses do that pretty quickly and easily, teaching women to go for the eyes, the top of the feet, the groin, and so on. I would guess that techniques for handling Klingons work the same way. You see Riker here getting in a sucker punch, for instance, and that could very well be part of the training -- and why Starfleet members seem to be so good at taking on Klingons. On the other hand, they tend to get their asses handed to them by Vulcans.
I love how one of the Klingons, the very first one that asks Riker why he is not eating very much, just said Ha Ha to Klags joke, so he could get that it is a joke, and he should laugh.
The Enterprise triggered the cloak on the Bird of Prey as it fired an aft torpedo at its current location before the cloak, but I guess the writers felt they would make it so that they thought it might miss, even though they didn't move at all lolz
The Klingon aboard the Duras's Ship was portrayed by the same actor as Klag, but Klag is commander of his own ship by then. He does not die and is listed as "active" according to canon, which means he will only be changed to "died XXXX" once someone comes up with a canonical story that has him die sometime, which is approved of the StarTrek franchise owners. Until then, he does *not* die with the Duras Sisters.
generations was probably the only Trek film to give the feel of the real mass of ships and how their weapons felt more like cannons and huge emitters than in the shows. Also that photon torpedo at 5:05 is probably the most satisfying sound in all of trek :P
At least, thank to Riker, Klag died in the glory of battle... differently from his old man... There is somewhat of the ultimate klingonized act of friendship in this...
Supposedly it's not Klag. Just the same actor. Apparently in some books, he kills the captain of that episode due to cowardice and takes command, and does well.
I think the whole bit of Lursa & Beytor using the modulation frequency to get through the Enterprise-D's shields a "very" convenient loophole... especially since the Borg encounters the shields were designed to rotate frequencies to prevent that exact thing from happening.
Was that something that happened regularly or was it only done when facing the Borg as that's when it was really needed? Other times the shields could just operate in one frequency.
This could just be my head-canon (or I could have read it somewhere. There's a LOT of material out there), but I think this is the incident that caused Star Fleet to start using rotating shield modulations (very similar in concept to the Frequency-hopping Spread-Spectrum first used in military radios and later carried over to cellular transmitters) which turned out to be vital to defense in the Dominion War.
No, it's Canon. A Klingon engineer of all beings actually did it by accident and it just stuck. So they told the highers ups, who told Starfleet; and the rest is history...
Riker was wearing a com badge, it has a universal translator which automatically translates all verbal communications, it would have done so without prompting as soon as it picked up the Klingon's talking.
Klag's actor would later turn up in ST Generations as a member of Lursa and B'etor's crew. He was the one who says "Mistress, a Federation starship is entering the system" when Enterprise arrives at the Viridian system
This was a one of the best episodes in the series. However, I think they should have made one or two more in sequence following the ships mission, where Riker and Klag are fighting a Klingon adversary not known to the Federation.
There was definitely good material there to turn into a couple more episodes. Like others said, and I concur with, he would of been great to have been on other TNG episodes involving Riker, and DS9 with the Klingons vs the Dominion.
Same actor, but they're not the same characters. According to Memory Alpha: _Klag was played by recurring Star Trek actor Brian Thompson in his first appearance in the franchise. He would later portray an unnamed Klingon helm officer serving aboard the ill-fated Duras sisters' Bird-of-Prey in Star Trek Generations._
Well, I'd imagine that you would have to add their linguistics through an algorithm that allows it to pick up their language. The only issue is, getting a Klingon to do that for a spell
5:26 That's the same exploding ship that killed Commander Chang (Christopher Plummer) and his renegade Klingon crew in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (1991), the last Trek film to star the entire TOS crew.
Special effects must have been expensive... Do you know the office of the President of the Federation at Federation HQ on earth in the same film is actually the set for Ten Forward that had been dressed to look like an office?
You don’t want them to be the same person. Officer Klag was respectable and honorable. B’Etor’s ship is acting without honor. They act with the nature of a Romulan.
I refuse to believe Lt. Klag would fire on the Enterprise, especially knowing Riker is aboard! Klingons are passionate AND LOYAL! I refuse to believe we will not see Riker and Klag together again!
Klag was portrayal by Brian Thompson whom also plays the klingon helmsman in 1994 st film Generations , appearence in X-Files and miscellaneous 80s 90s films tv shows. He was born in Ellensburg , Washington
Well, it's like Klag and Riker both said... "Look around you... There are no old warriors." "No, sir. I'm sure they all died with honor." What more honorable a death can a Klingon desire than at the command of a respected friend and adversary? Riker ensured Klag's place among the honored dead in Sto'Vo'Kor. There is no greater gift one may grant a Klingon.
Two stupid things happened with the Klingon battle in Generations: 1) Couldn't Enterprise just remodulate their shield harmonics? 2) Couldn't the Klingons just dodge that torpedo??????
Ha, what to say about the following: - Instead of the Enterprise turning away, fire ALL weapons to full, like the they did on the Husnock Warship and on the Borg Cube. - And, even by canon, the after torpedo launcher can fire at least 8 torpedo's at the same time, as seen in the very first episode of "Encounter at Farpoint". 8 torpedo's (or even more), would criple or destroy that old BoP easily - No exam of Geordi coming back from that Klingon ship? Nobody notices a camera being placed in his VISOR? - Why not jump to warp after the first hit? - And indeed, what you said: Change the frequency of the shields, like they did with the Borg.
From the time they announced the cloak and Riker giving the order to fire is 6 seconds. If you include the torpedo travel time, that's another 9 or 10. So we can say 15 seconds. Unless the Enterprise was able to permanently keep the cloak on, the Klingons had time to deactivate the cloak and warp it. If you watch closely, one of the sisters actually watched the ships final moments, which was time to act. They panicked.
