RNC Night 3: Heartbreak & Loss | Never-Trumper J.D. Vance's MAGA Pivot | Will Biden Pass The Torch? 

that's the american education you have in action....

You can't believe one party has an old guy? Don't be so dramatic.

The 2020's suck

Improve education !

@@ManCheetah294 Is this Ashli Babbitt? duh

She reminds me of "Carrie's" mother, Margaret White. Spooky!

Thank heaven for fast forward on YT

True. BTW, is she still junior’s “fiancée” ? Wonder how that ol’ religious base feels about them shacking up for so long?😮

@mojo500100 Keep in mind that they are the "ones doing the deed." The rules don't apply to them, and God is on their side.

Can you imagine her reading a kid a bedtime story?!!

😂 I haven't thought of Rodney Dangerfield in too long. What an absolute genius

Groper. Says it all

Notice how this late night washed-up hack keeps repeating that the RNC speakers hate "immigrants" and plan on deporting *them*. Is he right to take his audience for imbeciles?

More importantly, notice how this late night washed-up hack keeps repeating that the RNC speakers hate "immigrants" and plan on deporting *them*. I wonder if he's right to take his audience for imbeciles.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Rodney Dangerfield,... f i n a l l y, respect 💌

​@@atag202me too

@@atag202 and they love Trump. Love has nothing to do with this: it builds irrational loyalty. We vote Democrat because it's the rational thing to do.

Kimberly's mouth made me instantly think of Milton Berle. Very strange reaction. Weird.

Do you not consider that MAGAs get just as angry and frustrated by what they see as far left anti-American lunacy? Are you able to comprehend that not everyone sees things the way you do and that the Left does not have a monopoly on what’s ‘good’ and what’s ‘true’?

L​@@judyl.7234

White Saviour complex detected

@babyblue. If people can't see it, think of what you will lose if you don't vote blue and if you do, you are not going to lose anything, but be included in all decisions. PLEASE BLUE for your children if not for you.

Or get a tattoo on your forehead that says "idiot"

Hey that’s insulting! Gargoyles are much better looking than that! Pretty sure she’s a banshee

I just wondered if Kimberly can speak in a normal manner?

but they have good XP and drops in RS3

That's what Don Jr likes...

She's so terrifying. I can't imagine dealing with her every day.

yea, hes a fake Christian!

😂😂😂

the other dude has it, god is hilarious, well done.

I am definitely voting for Biden.

Freedom for rich, white males only.

Right?! That’s what always gets me with republicans. Like the whole party is supposed to be about small government- keeping the government out of your business and yet they want the government in our doctor offices, bedrooms and classrooms…it makes no sense.

Absolutely

@@mistyrose-yf4do It only makes sense if you realize they are not religious, they are not moral, and they are not about small government. The GOP tell their voters they are doing one thing - and they do something completely different. So when Trump is filling the SCOTUS, he is telling his voters he's doing that to put an end to Roe V Wade - when really he is doing it so he can overturn rules and laws that hurt his bottom line.

Zackley

Go to hell?

"Get well President Biden!" All in spite of his being stupid enough to go out to Vegas and get the wuhan virus, lol?

​@disastermaster1413 get over it trump girl 👧

@@richsims6870 that’s mr rfk jr girl

@@disastermaster1413 Directions? Hard left at Albuquerque?

Definitely got Mommy Dearest vibes from her speech.

I mean, even Don Jr has kept her at "fiance" status for like 4 years now

I also remember something about lap-dances... Ugh

@@bajabret60 I was just about to post this. When he introduced her as the fiance I just thought wasn't she fiance last time we heard about them... This is like when Peter Griffin calls out Bonnie for being pregnant for 6 seasons

@@simonsancartier7417 It's a weird running gag at this point. And I feel almost dumber just for being aware of them/it

I don’t know if he’s allowed to say that word in CBS 😂

They’re definitely out there “horring”.. RV’s… vacations… money through various means… their seats on the Supreme Court…. All from horring…

You know, that works, but I'll bet they probably considered it and quickly realized they stood _no_ chance of getting it past the censors.

Their whorring all right. It's disgusting. Freedom and dignity. Can't be bought. Too bad MAGA doesn't know the term, can't be bought. See how they line up for the clown. It's sad.

portmanteau much? Trump (the)rapist

This, and other RU-vid Channels for me! Too many to list.

Coming from someone who's lived under the oppression of a socialist society/country your whole life. You obviously don't know any better.

@@Lily-fu4vm lmao, the british government has been controlled by the conservatives for the last like 20 years. it only just a month ago got turned over to the center-leaning labor party. Technically, they've been living in a version of the world that Trumpers want to create only way more toned down. Still led to Brexit, attempts at mass deportations, a complete clusterfuck of an economy and government and all sorts of problems for working people.

Many of us in America are also despairing @IvanBrackin.

Yeah it horrible having free health care, so upset i got my kidney transplant and 3000 pills per year for free 😂​@Lily-fu4vm

Unfortunately, we Brits haven't been living in a Socialist soceity. We've barely survived the f***ing Conservatives ​@@Lily-fu4vm

It's never been boring. We're just more aware of everything

Nope, I miss when it was all boring talking points during debates.

Like Bernie said, true

@@thumper5555, there are people who like Trump because they think he's "entertaining." Don't ever remember anyone saying that about Bush or Obama. Politics definitely used to be boring. But politics shouldn't be about entertainment, which is a newsflash to some.

I’m afraid boring days are long gone

Yea if i was a losing party i would say that to.

@@Brandon05159 we all loose

Stephen does it for our mental sanity.

🏳️‍🌈That’s what LNSC is for.🏳️‍🌈

I can't.

Trump never made that comment. Just one of the many lies told about him, along with the many other unfounded persecutions instigated against him from the left.

And a deaf man cringe!!!

They’re yellow.

Trump has dirt on them, so yes, they bend the knee and kiss his ring.

@miggamer Biden is trustworthy.

"Certain"?? That's your mistake right there! Never trust ANY politician!!

Kind of like Kamala Harris, during the 2020 Democrat primaries, when she was running against Biden for the dem ticket for president? Accused him of being a racist. Now she's Biden's VP, and one of his most staunch supporters. Politicians are politicians on both sides of the isle. That's how game is played in Washington, unfortunately. Although, I think Republicans/voters are looking past their personal animosities towards Trump, and are realizing the positive things he did for our country under his administration. By their fruits (not tweets) ye shall know them.

😜😂😄👍

now i know why tigers eat their young- Rodney

My ex and his wife have Covid for the fourth time.

Biden has best health care in the world. And he is otherwise healthy for his age. Praying for him as well.✌🏾💙💙💙

Bet she’s vaxxed huh😂😂

@@sophierobinson2738 yeah those multiple vaccines worked so well i got the J&J one and one and when they called me to get a 2nd dose i said I got the one and done that means I AM DONE

Well, it's different for everyone. I live abroad with three other women. Two years ago the one that would have considered the strongest of us all got dengue followed almost immediately by CoVid. She came through both okay. How the rest of us, esp. a several-years-older-than-the-others me, escaped getting CoVid. Good luck to your daughter and to our President.

That was my favorite part of the monologue. 🤣

Incidentally probably something George has likely said a lot.

Notice how this late night washed-up hack keeps repeating that the RNC speakers hate "immigrants" and plan on deporting *them*. Is he right to take his audience for imbeciles?

I'll tell you what's unbelievable. This late night washed-up hack keeps repeating that the RNC speakers hate "immigrants" and plan on deporting *them*. Is he right to take his audience for imbeciles?

Wait till DNC convention. They will send out Biden with a seeing eye dog so Biden can find the door.

Where did you slither in from?

Like the Jesse Watters' reference!

@@MichaelSmith-df2mh So, people of opposing views aren't welcome on this forum? What has happened to free speech in this country, without fear of being smeared, demonized, called a Nazi, accused of being part of a cult, or people like you questioning where we 'slivered in from'.? Very disturbing/disrespectful to fellow Americans, who may have a different point of view than yours. The left pose as being the party of tolerance, (as long as people's views are exactly like theirs) When in reality, you/they are the most intolorant people on the planet!

It’s wild to me how crazy both sides are and they keep arguing with each other over who’s crazier. News flash, you are both cults 😂😂

Too late

The D Day vet wasn’t normal?

Nor any day.

Exactly, these freaks are insane.

Meanwhile you support a DEI hire that accomplished absolutely nothing. She also failed her BAR exam. Airhead harris, so sad.

@@ARDG89 😩😩😩😭😭

Name an example of how America and the world suffer? Oh you mean better economy, lower gas prices, lower taxes, no wars, no forced injections, those kinds of things? Oh that’s right you’re a dem. A hypocrite who accuses everyone of doing exactly what you are doing.

🌮🌮🌮

Saint Paul was a Never Jesus.

More like "Never have I Ever been a Never Trumper"

Spineless! Like the GOP!

@@johnfisher6805he also talked quite a bit about how he changed his ways. I haven’t seen a politician do that, they just pretend the old stuff never existed.

My favorite part from Stephen. Well-said.

That was fun to see! I love his show 🤪

Worse, is it because the crazy Democrat couldn't kill Trump? You probably regret it, right? You love to liberally kill the political opposition!

I want that machine too! Asked for a name or link. Would help calm me when reading Project 2025 or Agenda 47!

@@vickic8633 yep anything that brings a little joy in these insane days

Biden can barely stand tho.

Biden is a clueless turd

@@DOYLERULES69X Due to peripheral neuropathy most likely

The many states with electors being optional now are all red.

the intelligence in groups of humans is inversely proportional to the groups size! add to that fanatical propaganda & its tough to "get over it"

They won’t. That is why Trump is not spending money on his campaign. He is depending on the SCOTUS to decide with him when he claims “fraud”, when he loses the election.

I still don't understand why Traitor tRump who tried to overthrow our government is allowed to run for president.

Trump would be in prison if Biden wasn't a wimpy do nothing senile man living in the 90's who should have fired Garland immediately after he did not charge Trump but waited 2 years.

So when thy get ready to dump trump, they have a YOUNG guy they own and control... since they aren't planning to have elections anymore... and vance has proven he has no spine or moral compass...

Because JP Mandell is a champion of The HF platform AND good friends with president of HF Kevin Roberts. If MAGA wins the WH, JDV will be president in short order.

I suspect it was actually Russia's pick. They are ecstatic over it on Russian TV since it was announced. And he got into power via Peter Thiel who has Russian connections.

Vance would do what Pence refused to. Also, considering the polls, Vance is not the only one with memory loss. Millions can't remember the chaos of Trump's tenure--and it wasn't that long ago.

I want the democrats to make new commercials using all the clips from Vance campaigning against trump. He literally said trump could be America’s hitler…so he’s literally willing to be the second in command to hitler if it means a bit more power for him. Come November we all need to vote and vote blue all the way. So many sources are trying to divide us and turn us against each other and convince us the race is over. It’s not over til it’s over. We need to knock off the infighting and refocus on the actual threat. Also so many keep pushing to replace biden but we had the primaries: he was the nominee- we voted on it. I seriously want to know how them unilaterally deciding to change out the person who we nominated in how is that any different than what trump tried to do with his fake electors?

You are betting all of that on biden.

Agree with you 100%!! Harris would make a great first female president of the US! It's about time, too! But, what do I know, I'm not even American 😂 My advice: vote blue 💙💙💙💙💙 #potus47 #equality #nofelonplease

American historians rank Biden 14th best POTUS in 235 years, Trump is rated the worst. Nuf said.

I've totally thought the same thing!

Good thing too, because MAGA is infight because of JD Vance. Half of MAGA thinks picking JD is a mistake. And it's not just because he criticized Trump, but also because he has an Indian wife and is a zionist. That's what happens when a party partners with anti-Jewish and anti-Brown racists.

Constitution? most democrats that I know hate free speech and the second amendment!

You can't recover from dementia.

I pray he gets out. Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Chuck Shumer et al aren't begging him to get out because they don't love and respect him. They're begging him to step down because they know he can't win. And he can't. Whether you are on the 76 percent of Americans that believe he has dementia and can't serve until 2028 is irrelevant, that's just the situation. He's behind Trump in EVERY swing state he won last time, all 5, and now there's 9 more in play - 14 in total. He can't win. Harris, Shapiro, Whitmore, Clarke, Newsom all could and ALL are polling better than him. Wake up

I am sorry to say this but Biden is not going to stay in the race . His physical condition is saying NO to him for quite a time now . 🗽⚖️✍️

She used to look good, now she's rotten on the outside and inside.

@@mcmccoy1184 Biden's wife screwed with Biden when she was married to another man. So whose family is screwed up?

I agree 💯%‼️

💯 percent

How is your grocery bill?

@@VV-bk1wv how is yours? If you don't like your grocery bill get a better paying job.

Sure, Ivan

This needs to be the top comment. Good job.

You know, being someone not from US, it's so confusing to watch your hysteria about turning into facist state. You don't even have a slightest idea what it's and yet you're crying so loud. Take a look at China, South-East Asia countries. Or Russia/Gulf countries. People there are tortured in police stations on daily basis, thousands of cases are fabricated because of some police wanted promotion. You can't express your opinion freely anywhere - otherwise you would be put into jail/tortured/or even killed during torture. In some cases(e.g. Russia/Ukraine) people can be just swept by commissioners who will enlist them immediatly and sent as cannon fodder to battlefields. No rights, no way to defend yourself legally, no opportunity to earn decent money to escape that hell unless you're lucky and have connections. Born, serve, die by the will of your state. It's motto of half the world if not more. And guess what - even such grim countries aren't titled fascist ones, because it takes really a LOT to become such country. Things should be REALY nasty before it country can be called fascist. So, please, stop whining - your system will chew any kind of madamn. Yes, some changes can happen to worst. But eventually, system will slowly regenerate and still be working. It works for centuries. And it will still work no matter what. But it's not even really close to totalitarian/authoritarian state. Not even on inch, because you're really isolated politically/geographically from the rest of the world and can't even imagine how really nasty state of affairs can be in country.

They want to "Give America" to trump. We made it for almost 250 years.... Almost.

Nazis? Maybe a man who has live 98 years AND was a WW2 veteran would know what Nazis look like.

I don't see any liberals there so where are these supposed nazis?

This is what is SO SAD. Trump is a Fascist accusations from those who have NO IDEA what a Fascist is, and more importantly, NEVER MET a REAL FASCIST. This VETERAN met & actually FOUGHT them. ​@scisafersal1

Given that you like Big Lies, it's the pot calling the kettle black. And what about how this late night washed-up hack keeps repeating that the RNC speakers hate "immigrants" and plan on deporting *them*. Is he right to take his audience for imbeciles?

​@@scisafersal1exactly like that audience looked that he was speaking to at the RNC!!! 😂

WTF wit all women with guppy mouths. Big huge oversized lips are supposed to represent bloated intestines. WTF?

She's very weird looking but I'm sure reactionary simps think she and Kelly-Anne Conway are top-tier dimepieces just like Melania "RBF" Ttump

Horse mouth. 😂😂

Muppet brought to live by a genies curse?

Trout pout

IMO he was appointed by the Heritage Foundation to be VP for that reason. Get trump in, terrible sad event occurs, and BINGO! president Vance hits the ground running without the necessity of a messy election. Ever again!

Still a far superior choice than Kamela Harris.

Never blue no matter who

Why 😮​@@a012345

If you seriously think Biden is better I am dumfounded. He cannot form a sentence.

Whaaaaat??!!! 🤤😲😨 I did not know that!! Gov. Newsom just dropped a few points in my estimate.... ofcourse i must say that i haven't clue who she was and what she did earlier in her life.

😂😂

Right?

And the grown ups

Her husband divorced her.

@@meganega123 Hot Mess!😄😄

You talking about the democrats pushing the trans agenda and codifying laws to separate parents from their kids>. Surely you can't be talking about the GOP convention where they are offering up sound policy and following the guidance of the lord, right?

​@ChrisMahlmann no, he's talking about your cult worshipping a conman who is the antithesis of Christian values while you take the Lord's name in vain.

​@@ChrisMahlmann yeah we're talking about the Republicans that love separating parents from their kids when seeking asylum. But also because you decided to defile the Lord by putting a conman first, someone who is antithetical to Christian values. Corinthians 2 Boogaloo remember?

@@ChrisMahlmann You can't be seriously trying to argue against the cult-like behaviour of the GOP while using the words "following the guidance of the lord" 🤣🤣🤣 Apart from the obvious fact that basically everything they stand for is the opposite of what Jesus stands for.

Trans people existing isn't an agenda. It's an observation of fact.

Primarily, this one. But, multiple other RU-vid Channels, too. Too long a list to show all of them.

Her mouth…

Thanks, now I'm scared more

Guilfoyle the gargoyle.

I said, tighter than a drum.

❤ 💯

So is the dem party unrecognizable and I don't like the changes

​@@sharonmontag2389 And what changes would that be, sharon???

@@bwenluck9812 they used to at least give nominal attention to their constituents.

I find it ironic, but not in the least funny.

So JD didn’t have that maxi pad on his ear? Doesn’t he really care care about Donald?

Trying to but, we are down two goals with two red cards now.

Look, it's been obvious for some time now that the polls are not even slightly accurate. The vast majority of America would take a ferret over Trump.

The man whose children all half-Slavic and has a daughter married to a Jewish man is definitely a Nazi...

@@markatkinson9963 COYS "Come on you Spurs!" 🙂 Sorry, mate. You have my empathy and sympathy. Lotsa love from the Antipodes.

how u get to 2 points for france/brits against nazis?

Sesquiplex

What exactly is a "plex"?

@@johnsmithe4656 It's a suffix that means "having many parts" or "more than one".

RNC = COGC (Consciousness Of Guilt Convocation)

What do you mean TRUTH ????

❤😂

The Hot Breeze of Hell Like opening an oven door and standing there with your mouth hanging open. You expected pizza.... But there ain't no pizza.

The B in KFC stands for breeze

If you were downwind from Trump at his trial, you know why he is Von Shitzpants.

@@gamepapa1211 Does the V.P Job include a tRumpy noseplug?

Why did all 13 families who lost their children in Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan support Trump?

​@@QuantumPineapplePlease note - They didn't.

@@kirkdandie they literally spoke at the RNC last night

😂😂 you’ve gotta be kidding the guy has dementia

Is blue a gang?

BIDEN was on fire last night at the NAACP

He THINKS before coming out with the inexplicable shite he does? Thats even worse!

He's completely braindead. You can't be serious. 🤣🤣

He is introspective, thoughtful, humble. Trump is bombastic, impulsive and wreckless.

​Airports during the Civil War era, World War Two has yet to happen, sharks, batteries, magnets, Roo bee dook aah, Hannibal Lector id a real person, etc. Who spews this 💩all the time 😂 Trumper

I. Play computer chess while having it tuned in. I lose a lot when I can't concentrate.

looks like you dont understand history. Nazis and dems hate free speech and the 2nd Amendment!!

We're TRYING ‼️

The Netherlands here, Hi neighbour, your comment is gold!! ♥ By the way, the Netherlands has her own 1933 moment right now ... scary enough

When England and France recently experienced their triumph, someone said Germany was next..... I thought at the time maybe those unsavory characters in Hamburg had gained ground. What's the update bei dir?

oh, we're already disturbed. and telling the others to STOP IT. been calling this for years now, many of us. it's insane. but the propaganda machine's got them looking at the rest of us like we're the ones doing it. just like gargoyle's speech. anyone paying attention knows she's in opposite day with that.

Relax. I can tell you that Biden is too old, too frail and in too poor of health to be president for another 4 years and Im still voting for him in November. As every Democrat will be, regardless of what their opinion of him is. I have a feeling for these things. I was very worried in 2016, not worried at all in 2020 and not worried now. Even if Biden were to croak tomorrow, Trump will not be elected.

Very very gay

​@@Lethgar_SmithOMG I pray that you are right but I am doubtful. I don't want a close race. It must be a landslide

for real! like at least give a little update clip here and there. just showing the weird moments is dangerous, splitting the vote by making people have a skewed view. YEAH there are some weird moments but also so many that AREN'T. stuff like this MATTERS and by god it only helps trump! :(. is it worth it for the joke THEN? can't watch jon stewart right now because he's been increasingly doing that and thinking of the impact it can and DOES have is making me ill. i have literally heard people say "i guess i should vote for trump then..." and cite things like him being more lucid or whatever. it can be just as bad as corp media in this way because they are neglecting to show all the good moments, other speeches, where stuff is FINE. i just wish they would WAKE UP and realize the impact they are having. jokes aren't always harmless and they sway people's opinions. we can't afford trump winning.... and yet, this might help him even if a little.

You mean the slurring/bumbling/barely intellegable speeches?

😂😂😂😂Like the vice president Trump or introducing president putin?

Very horrifying.The GOP is so good at projecting and gaslighting...not so good at politics.

Yeah, but George Conway is living his best life now. He looks about 15 years younger and so much happier. I’m glad to welcome him to team democracy (though he was a bit slow to get here, since he voted for Trump in 2016).

I’ve heard divorces are getting higher inside maga supporters, apparently spouses can deal with the toilet seat being left up but not Trump rhetoric everyday!

@@karenm2334 Don't he?? He has glowed up!🙂

@@lizsteilkieno, they’re GREAT at politics. It’s the actual work, leadership, self awareness, service to the constituents, and policy that gives them trouble.

Who is he voting for

Seth Meyers has been fighting too!

Nit true. Jimmy Kimmel is brilliant on his jabs at Trump and the GOP. COLBERT AND KIMMEL are friends, not rivals.

Absolutely ​@@vickic8633

Those are my top 3 late night hosts; Stephen is my #1.

Same

Feel the same way

That "love for each other" is limited to other MAGA cretins.

How many boosters did you get?

We all learnt that in a bigly way.

Then why did Biden say he has all the confidence in his Vice President Trump? 😂

C'mon y'all, intelligence is a spectrum and Qui-Gon was pissed off at the time. Jar Jar has a point. He can speak. He's intelligent. He made a colossal blunder and destroyed Democracy, but that doesn't make him stupid. I know I know. It wasn't very smart. But again, "stupid" is outdated for a reason. It blinds us to the truth of the matter when we rely on such reductive language. Jar Jar was manipulated. These Trump worshipers are all being manipulated because Trump says what they want to hear: bitter truths and so many sweet little lies.

@@eaglepedAsk the Syrian Kurds. Biden knows how to GOVERN. Biden has signed far more legislation than Trump (even with a divided Congress).

well, who would want to be recognised as she used to look anyway? Edit: Ever seen Tripping the Rift though? She looks like T'Nuk Layor.

thanks, someone else really noticing that. i looked her up at one point because even since she first came on the scene, let's say 2016 and maybe even 2020.... she was pretty. then i was like wtf something is wrong. i looked back even that far and yep plastic surgery ruining another face. (for as much good as it can do, man is there a dark side.) also, does noone at the RNC or similar think it's weird to be engaged THAT LONG?? when you see other people do this you know that someone is dragging their feet and don't actually wanna marry the person. there was a podcast don jr did where maaaaan it was coming out. he thought he was making jokes but it's that kind where you know they're also dead serious. stuff like her 'intense personality' and basically shouty voice too or not shutting up. said something about it being nice and quiet, or good, when they are in separate places. i mean it was funny as hell, also a bit sad, and he's a douche. but it's worth looking up. dude is so cringe. (sometimes i wonder if he's thinking things about the plastic surgery results and being like 'i wouldn't marry that', if he's waiting for something else, or is using her for some other gain, or like what the deal is. maybe she's the only woman who will sleep with him, idk.) but i guess access to money, as a lawyer and later as a near trump stuff person... if that just doesn't fuel things like that, the plastic surgery. most of us are fine because we don't have access. or, not excessive access.

Guilfoyle has resting A I face.

She doesn't have a plastic surgeon, she has a panel beater.

I recognize her as the troll who lives under the bridge near my house.

Biden literally called Zelenskyy "Putin" and called his Vice President Harris "Trump" LMAO. The dude is literally senile and doesn't know where he is half the time. I actually have sympathy and feel bad for him. If the Democrats actually want to win this election and have some dignity, they would choose someone else. They have plenty of options that are 10 times better. Biden also said you won't get Covid when you get vaccinated. Turns out that was a lie 😂

I bet he idolized Epstein

He hasn’t mentally passed age 9.

He acts like he's still the elementary schoolyard bully. So immature and so embarassing.

​@@sophierobinson27386 years further than trumpf..

Pedofying

Kennedy24

Well, you know what they say: get an immigrant to do the jobs no American wants, like being Mrs. Donald Trump. Side question, if Trump gets in and deports ALL the immigrants, does that mean Melania is going, or is she exempt?

And definitely Vance. 😊

She's had a lot of work done.

@@dr.g3860Not the best work, either.

You'll have to be more specific. Or pluralize "banshee".😁

why? I go to Cal State and all the democrat teachers regulate speech!