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Road to Disunion: Why the South Left 

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William Freehling discusses his new book, The Road to Disunion: Volume 2. Georgia Center for the Book presents historian and writer William Freehling. His second book examines one of the fundamental questions in American history: Why did the southern states leave the union and precipitate the Civil War? His new book, iThe Road to Disunion: Volume 2, Secessionists Triumphant 1854-1861/i, follows his Bancroft Prize-winning study of the Old South, iThe Road to Disunion: Volume 1, Secessionists at Bay/i.

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@janbarstow
@janbarstow 5 лет назад
INCREDIBLE insight, my new go-to for understanding the conflict. My hat's off to you. I've read lots, yet after hearing your contributions, I'm eager to to review the rest of the story through your perspective.
@aaron4wilkins
@aaron4wilkins 2 года назад
Very good talk to listen to since l read the first road to disunion. Thank you for the post
@randydavisman
@randydavisman 7 месяцев назад
Brilliant summation by Mr. Freehling. I'm currently reading his excellent book on Lincoln titled, "Becoming Lincoln" (2018). His comments in this speech around the 7:15 second mark are prophetically applicable to today's political tensions. Paraphrasing his remarks, "How did the South secede, particularly given its tremendous opposition to secession in the Southern States? I've come to think of this as a significant story, not just to figure out the Civil War, but to understand how powerful minorities are and to understand democracy which is supposed to be the rule by the majority is so often the rule by an aggressive minority that knows what it wants and goes out and gets it by pushing around a silent majority".
@Tralala691
@Tralala691 6 лет назад
Great reflection on our discord.
@paulmcclung9383
@paulmcclung9383 Год назад
He says 85% of the southern people didn't want secession. But something like 1 in 4 confederates were killed or maimed, fighting for it. You can't get that level of sacrifice without people being onboard with it.
@robf8023
@robf8023 Год назад
A lot of reasons. I'd suggest reading Shelby Foote's Civil War: A Narrative - series if you are actually interested in understanding your question. However, the way you wrote it implies that you know that is not a possibility. Just remember that countries (or the North and the South in this instance) go to war for political reasons. The people who go to war do not necessarily go in full agreement. Consider the War in Iraq. Do you think the amount that died in that war were there only because they thought Saddam had WMD's? People of all shapes, colors, and political beliefs went to war in Iraq for all sorts of reasons, many simply being that they were in the military and no longer had a choice unless they wanted their life destroyed by the government. Likewise, think about politics at the time of the War in Iraq, there were an incredible amount of societal, political, financial etc. reasons that even politicians agreed with going to the war. Many who now fight between each other trying to distance themselves of decisions they made with hindsight being 20/20. Finally, despite the heroic nature of politically correct historians who garner applause stating that the Civil War was 100% due to Slavery. Which is just as incorrect as the person who says the war had nothing to do with it.
@powerdriller4124
@powerdriller4124 Год назад
Poor Southern Whites were tolds that their sisters and daughters would be force to marry (and merry) Blacks if Yankees abolish slavery.
@scott1395
@scott1395 Год назад
I civil war was political, once secession was a go and war was inevitable, if you were able it was considered honorable to fight, if you didn't you could be ostracized from society, called a coward for not defending southern honor! To say it was strictly to preserve slavery is ignorant and short sighted! Do your research before making that statement!
@paulmcclung9383
@paulmcclung9383 Год назад
@@scott1395 "War is politics by other means. " And in the Confederacy; you didn't get ostracized. You got drafted. But once you are there, sticking it out is a commitment. Desertion and surrender are viable options in the 19th century.
@Duseika72
@Duseika72 6 лет назад
great historian
@charlesbritt2625
@charlesbritt2625 3 года назад
Very good Informatio .sadly the people who were willing to go war. Were not the ones who who were compelled to go and fight it.
@leftyshawenuph4026
@leftyshawenuph4026 Год назад
I don't think that's true. My understanding is that men and boys volunteered in droves.
@PAPITO_49
@PAPITO_49 Год назад
Speakers volume is very low
@BibleResearchTools
@BibleResearchTools 4 года назад
Regarding the tariff battle of 1832, many believe the general government backed down, and not the state of South Carolina. In any case, the history of protective tariffs, which were highly sectional and favoring Northern interests, was a major contributor to the eventual secession of 1860-61. Lincoln, the Whig, was on record since 1832 of favoring a protective tariff, and crony-capitalism in general. Dan
@calguy3838
@calguy3838 3 года назад
It's interesting that you say "the history of protective tariffs...was a major contributor" and not "protective tariffs were a major contributor." Tariffs might have inflamed sectional discord in the past, but they were, at best, a secondary issue in 1860-61.
@neilpemberton5523
@neilpemberton5523 3 года назад
The tariff rate had been trending down for decades prior to the war. Not only that, if the southern states had not seceded they could have fought any increase in the Senate.
@OldHeathen1963
@OldHeathen1963 2 года назад
@Bible Research Tools SC KNEW Jackson meant what he said. That General Jackson would treat SC like he did the British in New Orleans and Florida! SC understood Lincoln! They knew what Abe thought of Slavery! They took him at his word. What SC didn't understand was the men of New England. 😉🇺🇸
@mackmckinney5206
@mackmckinney5206 2 года назад
Slavery was the sole issue. The tariff of 1857, the lowest tarrif ever, was proposed by the South, and enacted in order. However to replace the federal services lost through succession, the South had to issue a comparable tariff after secession. And while some hard core anti-federalist wanted to be able to nullify fed laws, the laws they worried the most about related to slavery.
@mackmckinney5206
@mackmckinney5206 2 года назад
@@neilpemberton5523 and the Democrats controlled the Senate, so as you suggested no tarrif or slavery abolition initiative would have been passed; the South wanted to seced in order to expand and felt they could gaslight a Lincoln victory by lying about him being a threat to slavery. Lincoln was against expanding slavery but as a racialist, he was not proposing abolitionist. And in fact was concern about how American society and culture could absorb Freedmen.
@tedosmond413
@tedosmond413 2 года назад
If you want insight to life in SC then read "Our Man in Charleston" by Dickie. Concerns the English ambassador to SC
@johnadams5489
@johnadams5489 Год назад
Audio TOO LOW
@1greggie
@1greggie Год назад
The audio is restored at 4:02
@1greggie
@1greggie Год назад
The emcee sounds exactly like Gene Hackman
@Brandon_737
@Brandon_737 5 лет назад
I actually enjoyed hearing a different perspective on this topic, even though i consider myself to be on the southern side of the issue. I would suggest that he use more descriptive arguments on some things like when he discussed 1832 and the tariff issue. Instead of saying "they were to cowardly to succeed on their own" line i would instead voice exactly why SC didn't succeed. The reason being they reached a compromise lower tariff, the same tariff Lincoln committed to implementing in 1860 which would increase tariff rates on southern made goods like cotton, tobacco ect and would unfairly cost the southern agricultural society more than the norths more industrial society which was viewed as unfair taxation. SC threatened to leave if the tariff was implemented at the rate that they were told and the government, not SC backed down and compromised. However, the entire time this went on nobody north or south questioned session legally. Their was a session debate in Connecticut sometime after 1832 due to a trade embargo that drastically hurt New Englands trade business over seas and again the government backed down and compromised and yet again, nobody questioned New Englands right of self determination and session. Just my opinion but its something he could have touched on instead of calling South Carolinians cowards and sidestepping this conversation all together to push his ideology. It just shows everyone points to a truth and choses to ignore other parts of it for their own personal agenda. That being said it was a well put together speech.
@nora22000
@nora22000 5 лет назад
Brandon Tube Andrew Jackson, during the Nullification Crisis over the tariff with South Carolina, told them that secession could not be considered and that any of the Carolinians suggesting secession would be hanged for treason. Do you still think any state did or does have the right to secede? If so, I refer you George Washington's Farewell Address, where he thanks the nation--the one, sovereign nation for his two terms in office.
@ZM7241994
@ZM7241994 5 лет назад
nora22000 Where in the Constitution does it say that George Washington and Andrew Jackson are the sole arbiters of constitutionality?
@iratespartan13
@iratespartan13 4 года назад
@@ZM7241994 Right next to the part where the right to secede is written.
@ZM7241994
@ZM7241994 4 года назад
@Iratespartan13 I'm going to presume this was meant as a rebuke so forgive me if you are on my side. The right to secede is not written, but neither is it written that a state cannot secede and thus secession falls under the reserved powers mentioned in the Tenth Amendment. Secession was the founding principle of the American Revolution and for the Founders to deny it to the States would've been hypocritical. Assuming the Founders did forbid States from withdrawing from the Union(which can only be voluntary or it ceases to be a union) it would make little difference as such a restriction would be nullified by natural rights.
@ZM7241994
@ZM7241994 4 года назад
The Tenth Amendment reads "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Not to repeat myself, but secession wasn't prohibited to the States and thus falls under the reserved powers. To further this I point to how New England openly talked about secession at the Hartford Convention in 1814 and James Madison , Father of the Constitution, was not only alive at the time but was also the President. I'm not aware of any letter or document where Madison condemned the convention for being unconstitutional. He had plenty of reason to hate New England as it was heavily opposed to the War of 1812 and even refused to send their state militias as Madison had requested. The Confederate Constitution didn't mention the right of secession as it went without saying as it did in the United States prior to 1861 and even after plenty of Americans, such as abolitionist Lysander Spooner, argued it's legality. I'm going to quote the preamble of the C.S.A. Constitution "We the People of the Confederate States, each state acting in its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity - invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America." The Supreme Court was never meant to the sole or final arbiter of Constitutionality(such thinking came only after Lincoln) and the Supreme Court that made the ruling was mostly handpicked by Lincoln himself so, no surprise, they're going to see things similar to him. I haven't read that ruling yet but I have heard it was one of the most ridiculous conclusions ever reached by the Supreme Court and boiled down to "Might makes right."
@patrickworthey1805
@patrickworthey1805 Год назад
All of the modern day explanations for the reasons of the Civil war are completely unnecessary and immaterial. We need only to read the letters of succession from each of the Confederate states in which each state expressed that their "cause" was centered in maintaining and even advancing slavery.
@scott1395
@scott1395 Год назад
Spoken by politicians and not by the common citizen! I've said it forever, the civil war was a rich mans war. Pushed by politicians and wealthy plantation owners who were one in the same! The poor common man died for it!
@tedosmond413
@tedosmond413 2 года назад
350,000 southerners fought for the union....essentially zero northerners fought for the CSA.
@jcarl8759
@jcarl8759 Год назад
BY THIS GUYS “ESTIMATION” he is way off on the matter of most southerners not wanting secession, way off.
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