Robert E. Lee: A Nation Divided Documentary 

Why "would", "would", "would", "would" ? 17.38 "Lee WOULD essentially take charge". Try "Lee took effective charge" 18.04 "he WOULD enjoy the birth of his first daughter" ..... I doubt that he had the chance ! Husbands at that time were rarely in attendance, and in 1835, was an occasion for worry. A woman in distress giving birth is hardly an occasion for enjoyment. Try, "after her birth in 1835, he took (great) pleasure in the company of his first daughter". No "would" about it. He "did" ! The use of the conditional "would" is an affectation originating in America. It is in common and incorrect use in Americanese along with other grammatical ignorance e.g. the use of the present tense when referring to the past. Here is a quote from another comment, "were you to meet him today in person without the lens of the American Civil War I have no doubt that you WOULD think of him as a good person." Correctly conditional. It is conditional upon you meeting him. Your speech suggests that you are English, NOT American. Speak English !

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@Patricia Crowell yeah I posted this quote awhile back actually

The Confederate States didn't have to worry about that for very long.

Another quote possibly attributed to Lee and also why he didn’t press for emancipation, “don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.”

“A nation that still lives in yesterday spends the rest of its today’s trying to justify past indiscretions”

“Integrity is action consistent with principle.” - R.E. Lee.

Interestingly, the last slave-owning US President was Grant.

Lee was just a soldier with States Rights beliefs and no vision of a higher social future. Outside of his military skills he was a very simple person.

@@Timber774 he did not support secession, he only followed Virginia, had Virginia never joined the csa, Lee would have certainly accepted Lincolns offer.

@@stischer47 tell the other half of the story. It was only through marriage that he inherited them and they were soon free'd. They weren't forced into labor. More like custody than anything.

@@AR-ix8fq they were freed because his father in law had asked in his will to be done so. Lee resisted that all the way through until he was forced not to.

That's quite the compliment

Said by someone suffering from very low self esteem. Lee was a failure.

@@willoutlaw4971 Lord Wolsley was Commander in Chief of the British Army when they were a major world power. He wasn't some millenial weasel with self-esteem issues. Eisenhower, Churchill and FDR all spoke of Lee as one of the greatest men in our history. Obviously they must have had self-esteem issues. Moron!

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@@rms3 Yeah I wasn't sure who it came from but I imagined it was someone of high-esteem

Me too!

Yes Lee has SEVERAL descendants. Or at least those who claim to be his descendants.

You are lucky

Yep. He is my 1st cousin 10x removed. Everything in documents is stated with that way. I'm not sure how anyone gets curtis.

Robert Duvall, who played him in Gods & Generals, is also a descendant of General Lee.

Wow!! Should record them into a book 📖!!! Would be absolutely amazing 👏

He's mine too!

...and if John Brown would've been successful we would never have heard of Robert E. Lee

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

I agree

Exactly. My mom's side was with the 7th Virginia Inf. They were burned out and escaped to Canada by packet steamer in 65'. My grandfather would relate stories he was told a kid .. that when the Yankees would shout out at night across the lines, ''Hey, Johnny Reb!''...why you fightin us so hard!!?''.... ''Cause your down here Yank.''

Tell that to General Thomas

@@rpm1796 Drunk grandfather's ain't Historians! How many deserted, ignored csa draft, hid in mtns or otherwise told CSA where to get off!? Fighters in CSA KNEW what they were fighting for, and tried for more then 100 years to establish a culture as close to antebellum times as possible with Jim Crow. NOBODY BELIEVES LOST CAUSE LIES ANYMORE IN THE INFORMATION AGE!!@ YEEE HAAA!!!!

Yup, that's where your home, financial assets and family/friends are. Let's not get too sentimental about this loyalty to your sovereign state stuff.

If my home state was pro slavery, I’d no longer defend it. It’s not complicated.

Thank God he did. Down with the traitors

I could never understand frontal attacks. e. g. 1815 below New ORLeans Am 12 , British 3,000 casualties

They were not leading armies then, they were junior officers in Mexican war.

Actually Grant was a junior Officer fairly recently graduated low in his Class at West Point. A Lieutenant in the Quartermasters Corps. Lee on the other hand was a senior Staff Officer on General Winfield Scott's Staff. He distnguished himself in several battles and ended the war as a temporary Colonel. At the beginning of the Civil War Lee's reputation was such that he was offered Command of the newly forming Union Army. Grant's reputation had sunk to a level where he couldn't even get Command of a Regiment in the Army of the Potomac. That would all change of course. (The narrator also doesn't seem to know that Arlington was actually owned by Lee's father in law George W. Custis.)

Neither of them were leading armies in the Mexican American war.

@@douglasturner6153 "That would all change of course." Some peoples true potential needs a specific catalyst to be unlocked. History is filled with mediocre people who in the right circumstances became great. I mean you can look at it like prospects in sports. Some athletes are stars their whole life, picked 1st in the draft and have amazing professional careers. Some get picked 1st in the draft and end up a total bust. Some were mediocre, picked like 400th overall and end up becoming a beast in the pros.

@@tsdobbi General McClellan was certainly the equivalent of a 1st pick in the draft.

I agree with you on that. I just wonder if they will start taking down our statues soon for what we did to the Native Americans?

The slow healing of the nation is something Lee was right about. Southern generals should be studied in our War colleges but not honored with statues, they were traitors.

@@Timber774 they are not traitors. They are American veterans and our fellow countrymen. A 1950 act of Congress laid your false claim to rest long ago.

@@markd6634You do realize the large majority of the confederate general statutes were quickly and cheaply built during the civil rights movement as a means to intimidate and oppress? Statues aren’t history. Go read a book lol

Do not lie. U.S. Public Law 85-425, Section 410, does not stipulate that Confederate soldiers are US veterans, it simply states that the widows of Confederate soldiers are to be given government pensions, and if not a widow but a dependent, they would be given government pension too. No where in that law does it state that Confederate soldiers are veterans. This is simply the federal government looking out for those who would have no other recourse for their lost provider. Those Confederate soldiers, no matter their intention, are still traitors. @@coreythadrumma20

That would be challenging for sure

But not so much for a Southern Country boy. The life of the average Southerner was made up of long days of hard work. The impression that all whites in the South lead a life of privilege and slave ownership is far from the truth. Most were only slightly better off economically than the slave, were often Sharecroppers, which was 1 step above the slave. The Sharecroppers lived on the land owners land in a shack, gave the majority of the harvest to the owner, while the Sharecropper had to cover all his own cost including paying the landowner back for the seed and feed of the horse or steer's food. If the Sharecropper didn't produce to the owner's satisfaction the Sharecropper and his family were thrown off with the owner keeping the plow and animals.. Another thing missing from the retelling of history of the South was foreign and or corporate ownership of many larger plantations ( often Northerners) which were the source of many "horror stories" of the slave treatment. The truer picture was most whites of the South never owned slaves and of those that did, the slaves were taken care of. For the average Southerner a slave was a major investment and therefore were treated well. Sick or dying slaves couldn't produce so it was important for the owner to invest in his people for the same reason he would a horse or steers. I'm not defending slave ownership or denying that terrible things were done to the slaves, just trying to show there's a side that's ignored. Another fact that gets ignored is that many slaves fought for the South willingly. An encounter between white Northern troops and black Southern troops on the battlefield in which both official records and diaries, personal letters recount the same exchange between the opposing troops. "..why are you here fighting us..?" The reply, " because you are here. This is our home.." came the reply. After the war many slaves chose to stay and work with their once owner's because there was a bond between them. As a young kid I knew my Great grandmother whose parents were young adults when the " War of Northern Aggression" started who recalled growing up surrounded by former slaves and their children who had stayed with the former owners, even fought to protect the farm and family from Northern looters and Carpetbaggers. Why? Because there was a strong bond of friendship. General Lee and other Southern leaders had black troops that volunteered to serve under them in battle. Inconvenient facts that are ignored because they don't fit in with the modern story line. There is a man on RU-vid, if not taken down, that teaches the other side of the story, he wears the CSA grey uniform of a Sargent when he does his lectures, he is a Southern born and raised man of color who stood against BLM when they tried to tear down Confederate Statues in his home city. Never be so narrow minded to think you know all there is to be known on any subject. Again I'm not defending the ownership of other humans or the terrible things done to the them. Another inconvenient fact. The Jim Crow laws were enacted by the Democratic party that held a stranglehold on Southern States for more than 100 years after the end of the War. They created an environment of hate that had not been so strong before the war and kept it going until after Martin Luther King was killed. The 1st non Democrate to be elected by Southern voters was Ronald Reagan. Prior to that the saying in the South was " you can't get a Republican elected dog catcher in the South" On one side of my family tree were Klansmen on the other side they were NOT and opposed it. My one grandfather was ate up with it, bitter that the South lost and died early, 68. My other Grandfather was a kind and wise man who was the son and grandson of sharecroppers, grew up as a sharecropper. He couldn't spell his own name or read until he was 18 because a Sharecropper's kid didn't need education. He married my Grandmother who's mother was a teacher, that's how he "learned out of books" He had compassion for others and a wisdom not learned in schools. He too started his adult life as a sharecropper but made deals with the landowner, ended up owning his own farm. When the Great Depression hit and many walked away from thier failing farms My grandfather made deals, put the family to work on the other farms and grew. My Grandfather lived out his life as a wealthy man, taught his children, all 7, males and females, the value of keeping your word, of honesty, hard work, caring for others and above all Faith in God. He lived to be 96, my Grandmother who was younger lived to 94. Their children are all gone save for the youngest daughter, my aunt who is 80.😅

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Look into Maos Long March. It’s amazing what motivated people can do

He should have paid for his crimes fuck him

His wife suffered from depression and later in life would look out her window waiting for Lee to return. Very sad.

@@ralphshelley9586Just like all the families of the slaves that he fought for his state to keep. Very sad indeed.

He had been taking care of kids since his time at West Point haha

Wonderful General. He did not war. But he loved Virginia. He felt he had no choice but protect his state, which happened to be on the Confederate side.

He was a terrible general

Depends what side of the Rez you live on I guess.

@Patricia Crowell "hey were people that deserved respect for the fact of their convictions." One particular former confederate who is painfully overlooked for his post war activity is James Longstreet. He became an advocate for black voting rights and switched political parties and made himself a pariah in the south. He led black soldiers against the very originally named "white league" who were trying to suppress the black vote in Louisiana. It's why the only place you will find a statue of him is in the North. In fact the lack of a Longstreet statue, someone who was a very respected general during the war, in the South, is very telling as to the motivation behind putting the statues up in the first place.

@John the Confederate That whole concept you speak of is foreign to me because I try to shun tribalism. I'd like to ensure a continued existence and future for all children, I frankly don't care what their ethnic background is. I mean, if you told me 5000 years from now we will all mix to the point of looking ethnically the same, I'd be happy because it would be one less thing for human beings to be in conflict over.

Lee chose wrongly. and with his aid sent many thousands to an un needed death. what man or woman would choose to enslave anybody. after all we are a God's creation

@@dugwthree Sounds like the same excuse nonsense that every religion based regime uses, look at Afghanistan now you will see the same.

To add to your lovely synopsis, President Lincoln wanted Lee to be his Chief-of-Staff and General leading the war effort, but Lee's heart was with the south where he was born and raised.

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I was thought that would be a great movie..they touched on the relationships a little in different things but never a movie or doc that I am aware of

There was so many generals that had gone to West Point that ended up fighting for the south that the Congress almost closed down West Point

General Lee was a gentleman regardless of whether you hate him or like him

He will never be forgotten. Nor should he be. I'm an independent voter living in Maine. I don't see anything about trying to erase him. On the contrary, he is viewed with respect. There is a crop of hatred being sowed for evil and they will use whatever to bring it to harvest. Remember ALL he said. ✨

@@jodywho6696 Thank you for your kind words. They are very much appreciated.

@@jodywho6696 Nobody is trying to erase Robert E. Lee any more than they want to erase Benedict Arnold. Traitors to the US and to humanity need to be remembered so we don't repeat their grievous mistakes.

Lee is a complicated character with faults just like any human. However, Lee being a hero? No he fought on the side that wanted to keep slavery going.

In America, we have poorly-educated people on the Left flailing around trying to find some meaning for their lives. So they lash out at statues and textbooks and city names, etc., in a desperate bid to somehow be relevant. It is quite pathetic.

Lee was notoriously cruel as a slave owner. While most slave owners adhered to the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families. lee made it a point to break up and sell off family members as soon as feasible. When his slaves escaped and were recaptured, Lee would either beat them himself or order the overseer to “lay it on well.” Wesley Norris, owned by General Lee was whipped, he recalled that the General "Was not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, General Lee ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

Just for perspective, General Lee's treatment of his slaves may well have been cruel. But the generals who defeated him, and are lauded today as heroes, were themselves rather cruel to the Indian tribes they conquered out West after the war was over. People forget General Custer was a hero at Gettysburg, for example.

@@glennhubbard5008 All of them were flawed to say the least, especially in their treatment of their fellow man. Even Abraham Lincoln, he had no intention of freeing the slaves when he became president, he wanted to stop further expansion of slavery, but not interfere with the establish slave states. He knew ending slavery was not politically healthy. His emancipation proclamation was a political move, he did it when he did it to bolster foreign support from nations that had abolished slavery, and to encourage African Americans to join the Union Army.

Wish he had... wish he had.

@@bryan5549 Better you than he.

@Patricia Crowell Even though many of his other generals and men wanted him to not surrender and wage guerilla warfare. He took the honorable path to stop the bloodshed.

@John the Confederate Way down south in the land of traitors, rattlesnakes and alligators!

@@tsdobbi yet again another genius who knows nothing about the South…. Y’all are ridiculous, come by for a visit if u got the balls

Lee = FAIL! Washington = Success

Lee got completely destroyed in the Overland campaign. He completely froze at Petersburg what are you talking about?

“Napoleon” lol. Someone doesn’t know waht the overland campaign was

How was getting stommped during the OVerland Campaign a brilliant campaign?

Here, here

Fighting for slavery didnt bother you?

Great idea

HERO

General Lee was a devout religious man. Fighting for his home state of Virginia. He commanded such respect from his men that when the Army of Northern Virginia was worn down by General Grant by March 1865, he told his officers (who wanted to continue fighting guerilla warfare) that it was God's will that they put down their arms and make peace with General Grant. His men listened to him.

More so than Spiderman?

My cousin was inspired by Robert E Lee. Joined the army, refused an order, and was dismissed for insubordination. A true hero.

I’m not. He’s a Loser ,Traitor and Racist!

Well, racists tend love other racists.

@@stikupartist3698 Only an ignorant turd that falls from a homeless bum's ass would ASSUME that someone is "racist" because he acknowledges the brilliance and character of a man like Lee.....a man who had FARTS smarter than you !!

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@@johnfoster535 The man ( Lee ) was a PO 💩 He should have been 🐎whipped! Grant and others wanted the UNION to mend, so the blow smoke up CSA azz. South was let up to easy and to quickly. ( you help provide the evidence )

@@johnfoster535 are you saying he's a "turd" bcuz he's black?

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Same

He was racist fool

I'm glad that Gettysburg Nat'l Battlefield is standing firm against those people. Note I'm using "those people" as Gen. Lee used it.

“Fought for our freedom” He didn’t fight for his slaves freedom. Robert E. Lee fought for traitors’ freedom so that they could continue to own other people. I guess that makes you a traitor and a lover of slavery. Disgusting.

@@slackerman9758 you sounds like a hypocritical ignorance, just tell me how you build a country start from the ground?

@@slackerman9758 slaves ain't us now are they "If I could win this war without freeing any slaves I would do it"- Abraham Lincoln

Very good point, well said

Honorable "slave-owning" man. How quaint.

The first bank stir war. Lincoln double crossed them.

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Lee was also like many who viewed their state as greater than the whole collective. The union at that time was a new idea still. Each state was considered a sovereign entity. Being from a state was akin to nationality. As a Virginian I feel this too. It's so hard to see those who are not from, but moved to, it making laws and destroying what we love.

@@JNM11787 I understand what you're saying but the facts do not support a states rights argument for lee. There were 9 colonels from Virginia in the US army at the time (including Lee). Lee was the only one who turned his back on our country. He was so hated by the north the union buried their dead in his front yard so he could never return.

It was not certain destruction. That's part of the lost cause myth that has been debunked thoroughly. No other virginia colonel in the US army sided with the confederacy (i believe there were 9). The elevation of Lee as genius, noble, courageous, etc needed to end a hundred years ago. Had he won, slavery would have flourished into the new western states and decriminalized in the north. And he nearly won largely due to a revolving door of less than stellar generals leading the army of the potomac. I've often read the best general the south ever had was George McClellan.

Facts speak for themselves. Lee was a bad human being and merely a good general. Not a gentleman, and not a "great" general. He was a racist who ordered his overseers to "lay it on" his slaves when they disobeyed, and when he finally found himself up against a general who wasn't afraid to actually fight him... he spent the rest of the war on the back foot. An overrated human being--by a LOT. And an overrated general.

@@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND well put. Lee was 0-2 invading the north and never captured one union army. Grant got three.

I feel your pain Biggus. Imagine an American struggling with historical accuracy. Intolerable.

Well this is the second REL video they made. Apparently the first one had the script copied from Wikipedia but it appeared accurate on my follow-up research while working the inaccuracies the commenters were writing.

You are definitely correct on all counts. One of the big problems with the internet is that anyone can post anything, whether it be true or false. Which leads to a false narrative of history. If people had already studied the subject , any subject , they would see the glaring inaccuracies. Slavery ,to me is abhorrent. I personally try to treat people with respect until they start disrespecting me. It doesnt appear to make any difference to some folks that there is not any one alive today who was in any kind of bondage nor are there any former slaves alive. What about all the other races which at some point or another who were slaves? It seems to me that certain people are determined to bring on another such war. If it happens all Americans will lose. America has many enemies now but at the same time I can prove this country has done more good for all of mankind than any other. Period. Another internal war and we will be taken over by China and Russia. There is a lot of opportunity still, despite the rotten scum in control. I'm quite sure nobody is gonna have it "better" under the leadership of those Tyrants. Perhaps if these idiots had actually paid some attention and learned to read and write all of this might dawn on them.

Thank you for pointing out these errors. I'm better informed because of you.

You're very well schooled on this, Mr. Gibbus. I'm amazed by your knowledge of Robert E. Lee😳

Brazil is the south that won the war and that's why Confederate immigration in Brazil some famous personalities here like the singer Rita Lee and several actors are Confederate descendants

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You made some excellent points. Unfortunately, all southerners are thrown into to the "slave owner" pile. Even those of us southerners alive today...AFTER THIS POINT MY ORIGINAL TEXT WAS EDITED. OMG, ARE THEY SERIOUS. ARE WE THAT DAMNED SENSITIVE? THE UNITED STATES IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAND OF FREE SPEECH. THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY THE AMERICA WE HAVE BECAME.

The family still has letters he wrote during the war very surreal to read them he was definitely a man of honor

Imagine the time then.

I am a Texan, we had a President not a governor...General Sam Houston. And it was mostly other Southern states that came into East Texas to grab what they could grab from that part of Texas, and also ended up electing people to the Texas legislature, who were hotheads who argued for Texas to join the Confederacy. Sam Houston wanted to keep Texas as a Republic unto itself. Texas was the only state to join the Union by treaty and not annexastion with the provision that Texas could leave the United States any time they wanted but the Civil War changed the treaty and ended up annexed as part of being able to leave the U.S. at anytime they wanted. I read the same history books as you did, probably older because the history book we used in school (elementary school) was done in hard tone illustrated in cartoon fashion.

Lee may have been honorable but he was no visionary; he was defeated at Gettysburg because he was burned out. Lee was advised not to order Pickett's charge, but would not hear it. Pickett was courageous, but his life was wasted in a terrible social cause.

@@Timber774 its true that its Lee s fault,but Mcdouglas arthur who is amous general also failed in korea,and was fired,many great generals made costly mistakes during their career.Dont forget Lees intelligence failed him,and Lee took responsibillity for his actions,he knew that after gettysburg it was all pver,but at that time there was no turning back,so he pull his last effort to stop union

there is no honor in a man who did not vehemently oppose chattel slavery.

no he was a murderous slaver and who's actions killed actual great people such as John Brown.

@@setsaimu I knew I wouldnt have to scroll far to find one of you! Uncle Abe wasnt very fond of black people either. He only used them as a politician would,,AND STILL DO!

Army stability 101 yes. ...but what if your country divided and then went to war with its self over morals, resources, the want to keep the status quo, etc. In that case, a choice of which side to take has to be made, and that chosen side's "morals" will be the basis of how you are judged later. Are you loyal to your government your state your regiment. Maybe you have to make that choice for your men too, a whole battalion loyal to you and loyal to what was once maybe days ago stable country. Your statement only holds true if your country is stable where state loyalty is secondary to national loyalty and the choice is not forced on you. So colonel, If your battalion was ordered to march on a civilian population, known not to be in support of any enemy and destroy them, (obviously this is extreme and unrealistic) but you would have to do it and not consider the right or wrong of it. I was ordered to do it has been an excuse since antiquity.

Duty, Honor, Country. Lee failed them all!

@@whoamarshrobert2781 I will disagree. Lee chose the Southern cause and inherited a very bad hand. He fulfilled his duty and kept his honor intact. I'm not sure how you arrived at the notion that he failed at all three. Preconceived bias perhaps?

@@whoamarshrobert2781 LOL...duty and honor he served well. Country? Well, thereby hangs a tale.

A military officer may not issue or carryout illegal orders.

@John the Confederate Tell that to Lee’s slaves, whom his father in law had, in his will, sought to be freed, but whom Lee had retained ownership; separating many slave families that had previously remained whole while George Custis was alive.

@@augsdoggs no it was lee wife family slave he let them go over a few year

@@augsdoggs That's not exactly what happened. The slaves were slowly freed because Lee's father in law had amassed great debts and Lee needed the slaves as both collatoral and work to pay it off as executor of the estate. If it were up to Lee, they would have been freed instantly.

@@KingofDiamonds85 Keeping slaves because freeing them would be a financial inconvenience to him, doesn't not paint him in a better light.

@@tsdobbi Actually it does. Lee was a career soldier with very little to his name. Other than Arlington, he had no inheritance from his father and as stated, his father in law wracked up debt and Lee couldn't pay it on a soldier's salary as his executor. The only thing he had as collatoral was the property and slaves. During this time he educated the slaves to make sure they could make it with freedom. I'm in no way condoning slavery, but to just ignore key facts about what was going on is illogical.

I'd have honored my oath. And kept my Honor

Your answer: Douglas Southall Freeman wrote in his classic "Lee's Lieutenants" that a majority of field grade officers who came from the South, and were in the U.S. Army before the war, stayed with the Union.

@@whoamarshrobert2781 He did and kept his honor. Honor has a cost.

I understand what you are saying but do you want American to kill each other again? Do you believe that is right to bear arms against your country? American should be ashamed of it self we enemy country's that wants destroy America just because we are Americans but they laugh at us and say let them destroy themselves again in civil war how sweet would that be for enemies that hate Americans

China Russia are hoping we fall as a nation the most powerful country in the world can take on any country wen we are United together racism divides us

Lee was a traitor.

@@freak5646 Bet you wouldn't say that to his face

@@ziggystardust1122 why not ? He's dead so what's the threat. Also he accepted he was a traitor

That southern hospitality left the south as soon as they lost their slaves. Those lazy bastards had to work for the first time in generations.

@@stikupartist3698 I love how you people see to think the farmers that owned those big farms did have anything to do

Sure, because fighting to preserve slavery is such an admirable trait.

Was never about slavery . Clueless clown​@@cane50

Sure, you can. Slavery was, is, and always will be wholly inexcusable and utterly unpardonable in every single context.

21 century cultural norms are the most retarded yet...

Sgt nmi so you think you aren’t the modern variety of slavery?as I’ve said already you are a nincompoop.

@@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND " Slavery was, is, and always will be wholly inexcusable and utterly unpardonable in every single context." Nonsense. I mean, just to start with, the Romans didn't think so. It was very much their cultural norm. In fact, the human race has enslaved each throughout our entire history. Slavery goes on even today. If anything, the notion that we shouldn't enslave each other is more unusual.

Why not? Not logical

I know. The two parties have switched their historical roles and views regarding the Civil War and the confederacy. The Republican Party destroyed the confederacy. And Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats, like the ones that ran Virginia for decades) loved to honor the Confederacy. But today, the Dems hate the Confederacy, and the Repubs love it, and have even adopted the Confederate flag as one of their own symbols.

Wow....brain damage

@Smoky puppy Oh..way down south in the land of Traitors, rattle snakes and alligators look away, look away!

​@@BigSleepyOx drinking that CNN juice i see..

@Kenyatta Ivy Lol, you mean like Joe Biden?

@Kenyatta Ivy Whatever you say

@Kenyatta Ivy I’m lost on the cheating part though. So according to you, throughout the history of our country when a Supreme Court member dies, or resigns, then the current president appoints a new one of his or his party’s choice. But because Trump had the opportunity to appoint judges during his term it’s cheating? Is that what you’re saying? If so, you should get that TDS checked out because it’s effecting you’re judgement and i.q. points.

@Alfred Rivera So do you! Woke loser!

@Alfred Rivera That’s your president loser! You and all the other sheeple can follow him straight to your communist utopia. I’ll be here laughing at you! As to Lee, he was a great man who made a bad choice. How many bad choices have you made? Probably lots only you’ve never done shit that anyone will remember!

He was a traitor who took up arms against the USA in order to keep a race of humans enslaved. He is no hero

Maybe a Stonewall Jackson video

Nice bit of bullsh!t propaganda

@@buckdraper303 Nice bit of intelligent, history-backed argument!

@@buckdraper303 Documentary is a great example of how warped the Lee narrative is. First, for a poor kid with no roots. His mother owned four slaves. Second, Lee (just like his father in law) only freed his (wife's) slaves only when it was convenient. Third, Lee's resignation from the military is frequently heralded as evidence of his personal integrity. Actually, it shows just how hypocritical he was. He claimed that he could not in good conscience wage war against his family and neighbors. However, he had no problem orchestrating the brutal death of hundreds of thousands of people who had been his comrades a year ago. Finally, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people outweighs everything else.

@@mervyngreene6687 pretty simple, family ties run deeper than comrades. Not that complicated

Interesting point. I think that your explanation may be valid. But does it make him worthy of respect or praise. This video (and lots of books) present Lee as a person who thought that slavery was immoral. It also implies that he was not in favor of secession or the war. So, loyalty to family was the only reason that he participated in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. That doesn't sound very honorables to me. Would it be acceptable to praise Osama Bin Laden, Hitler, or Putin the same way?

Yes , but unfortunately…

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@John the Confederate Or maybe, just hear me out, if people didn't decide at some point they were the superior race and enslave/exterminate and disenfranchise others we wouldn't have CRT in schools either.

@@tsdobbi facts

CRT is only taught in college to ADULTS. Try again, "genius." Keep spreading trash lies. You can't dictate what your kids are taught when they become ADULTS.

They are all refighting The Civil War all over again?! It was a war for a reason ...SOME on this thread forget that?

Yep morons

African-American will be a test to see if this Nation or any Nation can withstand the coming of the Glory of Righteousness wow unto all who causes thou Fellow man to stumble.

Robber barons made forgiveness impossible

Interesting to note that Ben Franklin's wife and eldest son were fervent loyalists to the mother country.

@@rpm1796 The biggest irony. Benjamin Franklin was a founding father and a patriot, his son was a loyalist, but his grandson was also a patriot.

Lee was a traitor. He fought a war against his sovereign nation.

@@owiz9212 it's hard to argue with people that think a traitor is a hero it goes along with southern ignorance and poverty. Keep em poor and keep em dumb. It's a conservative thing!

@@owiz9212 Like George Washingston and Sam Houston. How many wars have you fought for our nation?

@@biggboy20032003 You've never even fought in war. I don't live in the south. The Democats were in power throughout the south for 100 years. All the poverty and poor test scores are among the black communities and that's everywhere. Look at South Chicago and Baltimore for examples. You are just salty. Lee was an honorbale man. He made a hard choice. What's the hardest choice you ever made? You live in a soft and easy time. It shows.

@@biggboy20032003 Bc I made you look like a fool in another thread your going to stalk me and talk shit on my comment. I'm sorry but it appears more people from all over of all races and creeds love Lee more than hate him. Get over it already and move on.

Ha ha!

Are you really that stupid

Sure, leave the statues where they are... and put up placards telling the truth about what horrible human beings they were. I'm all for it. A "complete" American history. I accept your suggestion!

LEWIS BASINGER You called it "American history ,"...but to be honest it was more or less HIS-STORY and not real American history . How could it possibly be real American history when in fact one of the main cog in the wheel has been distorted and excluded meaning black history !!!??? Do you realize that the "Civil War wasn't to end slavery ," that "The South fought to defend slavery !!!!???" Also , do you realize that Robert E. Lee himself was totally against installing "monuments !!!???" Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments

The results of the 'civil war' made the UNITED STATES. You bet. Tell me, please. Do you like what you see ?

agree

Wasn’t good enough to win.

@D Sullivan We have statues of them because both sides fought for "America" that is the part that is so heavily ignorant in every argument that people make saying that General Lee and the Confederates were "traitors" oh so exercising the constitutional rights put in place by the Founding Fathers themselves for states (which were all intended to be like independent countries) to choose to secede from the voluntary union is apparently treason? People nowadays only view the USA as the 2nd largest country on the map and dont ever look on the lines within. The Confederacy kept to the ideals the USA was founded on even adopting the same constitution, the US was intended to be like a confederacy when it was founded which if you don't know what that word means (which many don't) is an alliance of countries or governments held together by a central authority, the central government was starting to become unconstitutional and violating state rights that's what drove the southern states which more held on to the ideals of independence and state sovereignty the Founding Fathers had in mind for the US, to exercise their rights to leave the union, back then your country was your state, not the union. The Lincoln Administration in Washington rather than try to negotiate and try to come up with a compromise with the seceding southern states decided to raise an army and invade them and violate their constitutional rights even more forcing them back under the rule of DC which encouraged more states such as Tennessee, my home state NC and Kentucky to side with the south, and what's worse the pro-slave Democrats took advantage of this situation and further tore the country apart so they could try to keep black people in chains. General Lee and the soldiers of the Confederacy fought for their states and for the true ideals this nation was founded on and when the South lost the war so did the "real" America. Today that same corrupt government that the south fought against sits in Washington today and now we're all basically slaves to the federal government and people who try to take up arms or threaten to take up arms against government corruption are viewed as traitors or terrorists, which again the Founding Fathers knew there would be times of tyranny and that the people of this nation would have to rise up and resist it, it's literally why we have our 2nd amendment which is now constantly under attack, but instead the resistance is viewed as treason. The real traitors in that tragic war was the people in DC and individuals sitting in the capitals of all the individual states, that was the first time patriotic Americans took up arms to resist tyranny but they were unfortunately exploited by another tyrant: the Democrats, and they were defeated and now instead of considering them heroes as we should be calling all soldiers that served in that war Union and Confederate, we got people demonizing the soldiers of the south and vandalizing the monuments dedicated to them and have white supremacists using them as a martyr in their hate filled ideologies. Robert E. Lee was no traitor, he was a proud Virginian that served his state when duty called and later contributed to helping end that brutal war between the states saving thousands of lives from joining the estimated 650,000+ Americans that died in that conflict and to restore the union and relations between states.

It’s sad that we all are doing this. I understand why, when you have every educational institution lying about him and corporate shills and legacy media lying about him, then it makes sense. It’s a sad moment in US history

Good

Oh jeez... there's a God damn difference between "removing all traces" and not glorifying. You are what intellectual disfigurement sounds like.

@@brettgoldberg6026 And why shouldn’t we glorify the man?! He was a standup man Who did what he thought was right all of his life! What can you say about yourself my friend I ask you if we can’t look up to this man who can we look up to

His legacy is that of the commander general for the half of the nation that wanted to split off so they could own slaves. People just think that legacy is undeserving of statues

Very true...

To lead a slavers army or to not lead a slavers army.

Indeed! Thank you.

@@MalGK24 Nonsense. He fought to defend his family and State. Slavery wasn't a issue in the war for almost 2 years. There is not one piece of evidence that Lincoln loved the slaves and invaded the South to free the slaves. Twice Lincoln tried to sell the out to get the Southern States back in the Union. Lee didn't have one slave because Lee gave his slaves their Freedom long before the war. He inherited Slaves from George Washington because Mary Lee was the last defendant of Washington and Lee immediately gave them their Freedom. The North has made the Slavery Narrative to cover up and make Moral for the atrocities they committed on citizens of Free and Sovereign States. Lee is the biggest Slave Master. He forced a entire Region of people to stay in a Government that was terrible to them because of Protectionists Policies for over 40 years by gunpoint.

@@MalGK24 I messed up Lincoln was the biggest Slave Master in American History.

@@kurtsherrick2066 Actually, Lee freed the slaves he inherited in 1862, during the War. I agree, "He fought to defend his family and State." Lee was a Virginian and followed Virginia out of the Union. Many forget, or were never taught, Virginia voted against secession. But when Lincoln called for troops to invade the seven seceding states following Fort Sumter, Virginia re-voted, and only then voted to secede. Three other states followed her out of the Union, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina.

here, here

that's a very stereotypical statement and it shouldn't have happened. Those people who owned slaves were lazy assholes you didn't want to do it themselves. For country with the mentality of "pull up your bootstraps" and "do it yourselves", we were founded and created by men who didn't even do it themselves.

Well well well, I'm totally astonished that no one caught the utter racism of your post, not to mention the truth of it. Their achievements do speak for themselves, if only we could understand what the fuck they're saying.

@@indy_go_blue6048lol... I can translate.. I actually went to school with Tre'vone'de and Big Keisha in New Orleans... No BS.

@@pretorious700 Another Tinfoil conspiracists, LoL. "But if there were no other reason why we should never have war, would any sane nation make war on cotton? Without firing a gun, without drawing a sword, should they make war on us we could bring the whole world to our feet. The South is perfectly competent to go on, one, two, or three years without planting a seed of cotton. I believe that if she was to plant but half her cotton, for three years to come, it would be an immense advantage to her. I am not so sure but that after three years’ entire abstinence she would come out stronger than ever she was before, and better prepared to enter afresh upon her great career of enterprise. What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? I will not stop to depict what every one can imagine, but this is certain: England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her, save the South. No, you dare not make war on cotton. No power on earth dares to make war upon it. Cotton is king. " -SEN. JAMES HENRY HAMMOND

@Kenyatta Ivy Awwww did that make your wittle woke hole hurt?? Probrecita!

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...different perspective but a good analysis

He read Grant s mind.

There weren't really any evidence that Lee even treated slaves harshly if I'm not mistaken, they where just hearsay

@@albertbecerra Extensive evidence.

You seem to imply that Lee treated slaves badly. Please cite your source.

@@tedosmond413 hearsay is not "extensive" evidence

@@albertbecerra Documented history. Sorry you worship at the feet of a false idol.