President Lincoln ignored the Constitution and states rights and started a war with the South and punish people who just wanted a good income from their machinery and their cotton trade with England. the northern Congress put a tax on English machinery to stop it that is the trade with England. they wanted the South to buy their more expensive Northern Machinery only... therefore through greedy corruption Lincoln started a war with the South... And as far as slaves go he only freed the slaves in the South to disturb the South ability to fight... Lincoln said if he could have he would not have freed the slaves he never freed the slaves in the North... so now we have a large statue in Washington DC for a man that broke the Constitution. And made the federal government bigger than the state's government. The federal government running the States was never the intention of the founding fathers
@@NeuKrofta As a Virginian, I learned in the 70s the exact opposite. Some states in the CSA forbade enlistment of First Nations members (and that the CSA also did not have an active recruiting policy), while the Union military actively recruited - especially as scouts. Some First Nations tribes like the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole did side with the CSA (due to historic ties with the South), others like the Iroquois Confederacy (btw, Colonel Hasanoanda "Ely Parker" was Tonawanda Seneca of the Iroquois Confederacy) sided with the Union. Of the 20,000+ First Nations people fighting in the Civil War, it would seem that the bulk of them fought for the Union.
@@ericmgarrisonbecause schools in the 70s were the pinnacle of learning....there's no possibility that the information you learned may have changed or been revised.....but hey you keep choosing ignorance in the age of knowledge
His name is Brigadier General Ely Parker. Not Native American. Edit: You all have terrible reading comprehension and that is very serious issue that worries me for the future of historical content and the interaction with it.
@@robrussell5329A lot of Native Americans were slave holders and the south had a positive relationship with most tribes during the civil war. Although this does not in anyway justify the US governments actions towards Native American tribes.
Lots of creative liberties here. General Grant's own personal memoirs on this event are a lot less cinematic. He was exhausted, and acknowledged that Lee was as well, and that he had nothing but the utmost respect and sympathy for him. Both men were eager to come to terms, and just wanted for themselves, and their men to be able to go home as quickly and safely as possible. He wasn't arrogantly leaning back and smoking a cigar like a mob boss.
Exactly. I’m always annoyed when they deliberately convey things differently than the way the guy himself said happened. They didn’t need to make Grant into Robert DeNiro from Goodfellas.
@@williambrock3534 lol! Yeah, every man smoking a cigar with a thing back then. But the scenario really is a far cry from how Grant himself described it.
My own father told me he still supports the South and the confederate cause in 2024. I told him I read Ulysses S. Grants book and he told me to not show my face at his house anymore. (My father and his side of the family are extremely wealthy) I proudly accepted his offer. I was in the military for 6 years and just got out a few months ago. I am so damn proud to have served with any black, Hispanic, Asian or Filipinos and I will have y’all’s back no matter what. The *only* thing I think Grant did wrong was not completely snuffing out the confederate politicians and lobbyists after the war
This doesn't depict this meeting accurately. Lee came in immaculate dress uniform; Grant came later, in mud spattered and rumpled field dress. They were extremely friendly without being fawning or fake, and Grant was so impressed with Lee and so engrossed in conversation, that Lee gently reminded him why they were there.
@webkid4567 I'm not sure I understand the necessity of your intended insult, ineffective though it may be. Perhaps it was to disguise your lack of knowledge: Grant disdained pomp and uniforms. He often wore a civilian hat, and his rank was sewn onto a private's frock.
@@webkid4567 love your comment. There was actually a Robert E. Lee Academy in the next town over from mine while I was growing up in South Carolina. Other slave owning bastard ex-governors also had their names on various schools and buildings and the Confederate battle flag hung beneath the State Flag atop the State House dome (finally removed in the 2000's). So glad I moved out West away from such a stupid state.
This scene seems played very tense and grim. The real affair had a professional and matter of fact demeanor. Grant was actually a bit awkward and sad. Also, Grant asked how many men Lee had, and if they needed food. He provided a huge number of rations for the starving confederates.
Grant tried to get the surrender without humiliating Lee or his men so that healing could begin in the country. Grant greatly respected Lee and saw no need to rub in his defeat with harsh terms.
@@rtwashow does this feel “woke” lmao yall shoehorn that word into anything you can and don’t like I swear. it’s become beyond a meaningless boogeyman term.
Fun fact:As Lee was riding away his horse from Appomattox Court house a lot of the soldiers actually started to cheer and mock the Confederate Army,General Grant ordered them to stop,and told them to be respectful at the very least until they were out of sight
Grant's terms to Lee were generous. His men could retain their sidearms, their horses, and personal propery-not slaves-and be paroled. Allowed to return home so long as they never again take up arms against the Union, and, if they honored their paroles, would not face judgement from the Government. Grant also allowed Lee's men to be fed. Rations, captured from Confederate supply trains, are issued to Lee's starving men. Also, Federal troops sat around fires with their former enemies, swapping stories, sharing food, and drinking coffee.
Good stuff here. They ironically traded things and interacted peacefully on holidays like Christmas also. Interesting how war enemies still maintained some kinship
@@livanbardT_T We still kind of are, culturally. Listen to the arguments for 'states' rights' and confederate monuments today and you'll see what I mean.
@nostradamus7648 No, the first battle of Bull Run occurred at his home at Manassas, Virginia. While Fort Sumter can claim the first shots fired, the first land battle between the main armies was Manassas. The only casualty at Sumter was a Confederate horse...it was mainly just an artillery showing.
Fun fact :the Appatomatox house where the American civil war was ended was in fact, owned by the McLean family. The McLean family in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid the carnage of the civil war,had previously lived in and experienced war as residents of MANASSES Va., where the first civil war battle was fought. The McLean family ironically and unintentionally had moved to Appatomatox Va. to avoid further war problems.
@Cruise-fx9bm In the second time you said Manassas I think you meant FROM not TO. Also interesting fact about Mr. McLean. After the US Civil War ended he was quoted as saying " The War began in my front yard and ended in my front parlor. "
I'm reading Grant's personal memoirs now as it was suggested by another commenter on this video series. Available free online as a pfd file which is how I read now that my eyes are getting old. I skipped all the Mexican War stuff and jumped in at Vicksburg. Worth the read.
Read when he was at West Point and also when he was struggling Before the War started it shows you what kind of character he had as a man he was willing to do whatever it took to feed his family. Also if you want to make it easier on your eyes read a book don't read from an electronic device thriftbooks has cheap used books for at least 15 years I hate having to turn on an electronic device to read.
I have read it quite awhile back and was thinking about doing it again. Instead I will see if it is here or somewhere free as a audiobook. I have become more reliant on them as I get older.
Thank God he lost his head shortly after. Abe went to hell, and his lunatic wife went off to la la land to channel psychics or whatever. Then our country would suffer and go further away from the founders wishes until finally landing at the insane point we have today. There was a better way to end slavery but of course wealthy elites and tyrants of the north and south thought different while poor and working class suffered
President Lincoln ignored the Constitution and states rights and started a war with the South and punish people who just wanted a good income from their machinery and their cotton trade with England. the northern Congress put a tax on English machinery to stop it that is the trade with England. they wanted the South to buy their more expensive Northern Machinery only... therefore through greedy corruption Lincoln started a war with the South... And as far as slaves go he only freed the slaves in the South to disturb the South ability to fight... Lincoln said if he could have he would not have freed the slaves he never freed the slaves in the North... so now we have a large statue in Washington DC for a man that broke the Constitution. And made the federal government bigger than the state's government. The federal government running the States was never the intention of the founding fathers
Not really, Jeferson is not president but he holds that title. And the confederate armies still in arms still consider Jefferson Davis the head of state. If he cant see that, then he is not clear headed.
@@Infernal460You’re clear headed in a different way, Jefferson Davis wasn’t the president during Appomattox, because the war was over and the Union was back together
Ely Parker is the full Seneca Indian that served as a General under Grant. Ely tried to join the army through his congressman. His congressman told him that this was a white man’s war and for him to go back and tend his crops. Somebody told him to go talk to Grant about enlisting and Grant made him a general and that’s why Lee says “at least there’s one real American here.” I love that guy.
I’ve tried to learn as much as possible about our civil war but I never knew R. E. Lee referred to Col. Ely Parker as the only real American in the room.
I know this may sound a bit trivial, but I want to clarify that this meeting did not happen in a courthouse (1 word-small C) in Appomattox Virginia.(like the dateline in the video suggests) It happened in a private residence owned by Wilmer McLean, in a town called Appomattox Court House (3 words-capital A, capital C, capital H) Virginia.
@@matthewriley7826His house was actually part of the battlefield itself (I used to live about 5 miles from there); it was used as Beauregard's HQ until Union cannon started zeroing in on it. One came through the fireplace and wrecked the meal cooking on it!
I am not an American, but I have read that Lee and Grant were polite and respectful to one another when Lee surrendered. It seems to me that this scene tells more about the feelings of the screenwriter and the current political divides in the US than the actual history behind it.
I agree. The axe grinding seeps into a dialog that is supposed to be historic. They can't seem to help themselves. They must be feeling desperate on that modern front.
yeah hollywood was created by foreign jews that came to america and they have spent 100 years retelling american history in their preferred manner always disrespectful and positing certain groups as underdogs against the original culture. read kevin mcdonalds culture of critique
Yep. Most of the fighting men in the war from generals to enlisted men, really didn’t care about the politics. Lee only became general of the CSA because he stated “do I remain loyal to the US or to my home state?” I think he made the realist choice I don’t think anyone would’ve done anything differently. You’re not going to wage a war against your neighbors and your family simply because they were caught on the other side of a conflict.
General Grant showed up for that meeting dressed in a dirty frock coat, General Lee however did wear his best uniform declaring that if he was going to be General Grant's prisoner he had better be well-dressed.
Grant had been trying to keep up with the armies movements since Sheridan and Meade had been working to make sure Lee didn’t escape to South Carolina. So yeah his baggage fell far behind.
Grant was too busy hunting Lee down to force a surrender; he looked like a soldier. Lee looked like a leader that sent men to die without fighting himself.
only you are watching a lie......none of it played out that way. Lee already defied Davis by agreeing to surrender. He was ordered to scatter his troops and continue to fight guerilla warfare. Lee made the honorable decision to not do that, as it would have destroyed the south. It was a very somber affair, with both men of honor having mutual respect. Viewing this video and thinking this is an accurate portrayal would make U.S. Grant cringe
This was a very well done show that really displayed how Grant has been screwed by certain parties that have deliberately twisted history. Grant was one of our greatest and does not get the credit he deserves.
PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN KNEW WE NEEDED TO HEAL AND REQUESTED NO RETRIBUTION TO THE SOUTHERN ARMY SO WE SHOULD STAY AS ONE COUNTRY AND NOT TWO. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL, SO HELP US GOD!!🙏❤️🇺🇸👍
and it’s because no retribution in the south that’s why we are suffering the effects of the democrat party’s goals of murdering the Republican candidate for Presidency and dividing the nation even further.
Except none of this happened, this is dramatized Hollywood nonsense. The signing of the surrender was very friendly and the atmosphere was light. Lee’s comment to Parker about being the “only real American” was an apology response to misidentifying him as black.
This is bs lol. They make it so hostile nd passive aggressive between the two when in reality they were both admiring eachother and acted incredibly humble. Union officers even saluted Lee.
Fun fact is this what's happening about 700 mi away here in Baldwin county Alabama we had the battle for fort Blakely where 20,000 plus Union soldiers fought 6,000 Confederate soldiers for several days. This was the last confirmed battle of the American civil war.
The Battle of Palmito Ranch, which took place from May 12-13, 1865, is generally considered the final battle of the American Civil War. The battle took place between Confederate and Union forces at Palmito Ranch in Cameron County, Texas, led by Colonel Theodore H. Barrett and Colonel John S. “Rip” Ford, respectively. The battle is known as the "Last Land Battle" because it occurred one month after General Robert E. Lee surrendered to General Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865.
@@kaylasmith5645 by technicality that is not considered the last battle because they knew that the Confederacy already lost by that point so they were considered criminals fighting the federal government I looked it up and they actually called them criminals. Not Confederates not rebels criminals. I'm not arguing your point I'm just stating the fact that I read something that said that they were not considered Confederates by that point they were considered criminals who were trying to pick a fight.
Yes, but its generally just called Appomattox. fun fact though, the house where he surrendered was owned by a family that owned a house in the middle of the Bull Run battlefield. After first Bull Run the family sold that house and moved to a place where they thought there'd be less chance of armies turning up. Also, all the officers souvenired the furniture straight after Grant left the premises...
My only complaint with this scene is Robert E Lee doesn’t look or seem like a good casting. Perhaps it was the music in this scene but if I recall there was less tension and more euphoria that the conflict was finally over. When Lee stated to General Parker “At least there’s one real American here” it was derogatory or disrespectful it was a show of respect since Parker was Native American.
If Lee actually said this, I would assume it was whimsical, considering American had been fighting American for five years - something they never lost sight of.
@@tyharris9994 I think gettysburg is a masterclass of movie for its time. But it desperately needs a modern face lift as it feels extremely pg for what the civil war was actually like
I'm a non-American, this is very big of Gen. Grant. I admire his generosity. Very unfortunate people had to fight a war over slavery. In England they outlawed slavery without bloodshed.
@@markdennison6345 stop with that BS. Read the 1st 2 paragraphs of Mississippi’s Succession Declaration. It explains exactly what the Civil War was all about. Do some reading.
I do not think that England had a dependency on slavery. The Southern economy was built around it at the time. The American Civil War destroyed the southern economy and it didn't start to recover until the 1940s
President Lincoln ignored the Constitution and states rights and started a war with the South and punish people who just wanted a good income from their machinery and their cotton trade with England. the northern Congress put a tax on English machinery to stop it that is the trade with England. they wanted the South to buy their more expensive Northern Machinery only... therefore through greedy corruption Lincoln started a war with the South... And as far as slaves go he only freed the slaves in the South to disturb the South ability to fight... Lincoln said if he could have he would not have freed the slaves he never freed the slaves in the North... so now we have a large statue in Washington DC for a man that broke the Constitution. And made the federal government bigger than the state's government. The federal government running the States was never the intention of the founding fathers
Well, yes, but until a few days later in late April 1865 the actual one 🇺🇲 president 😊 Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in the Ford 🎭 - I think a very 🥶 & cowardly move from the Confederate side. 💀💀💀
The only thing humiliating is the ignorance of true history. President Lincoln ignored the Constitution and states rights and started a war with the South and punish people who just wanted a good income from their machinery and their cotton trade with England. the northern Congress put a tax on English machinery to stop it that is the trade with England. they wanted the South to buy their more expensive Northern Machinery only... therefore through greedy corruption Lincoln started a war with the South... And as far as slaves go he only freed the slaves in the South to disturb the South ability to fight... Lincoln said if he could have he would not have freed the slaves he never freed the slaves in the North... so now we have a large statue in Washington DC for a man that broke the Constitution. And made the federal government bigger than the state's government. The federal government running the States was never the intention of the founding fathers
No, because one side had far more resource and man power. WW1 Allies win because of man power recources. WW2 Allies win because of man power recources. Its far more humiliating for the North taking as long as it did to win.
@@Infernal460 I wasn't referring to resources, but to the simple fact Lee from a family of high society, from early thought how to lead men, having to surrender to grant a low society failed business men.
@Infernal460 Not at all. Surrender is up to the loser. Thry could have kept fighting to the man if they were brave/foolish enough. That doesn't make it more embarrassing. The Confederacy took over 600,000 American lives.
The story behind this house and it’s owners at the time of these peace talks is insane. I believe I read before that the owner wanted nothing to do with the war and so when it came to his home town and destroyed his house he moved away, events repeated a year or so later at which point he moved further away from the war to a quiet farmstead in Appomattox, VA. History’s got a funny rhyming scheme.
At this point in the war, Robert E Lee already was defying Davis. He made the honorable choice to surrender, rather than send his men to scatter to do guerilla war (which would have devastated the country). Rather than honor this noble decision, bolshevik style rewriting of history occurs here......where we pretend things were said in that room that were not. Ulysses S Grant would be ashamed of this comment section
Decent dude, who had a lot of conflicting beliefs, he tried to stay true to them til the end of his life, he didn’t even think the csa was allowed to secede but he chose virginia over the union
I don’t know if that’s how General Grant responded to him however I’m so glad they put it in that way. Dude you just surrendered. There is no other president. There’s one president and it’s Abraham Lincoln!
Sadly, the destruction, the suffering, ; the thiefts of all kinds; tthe rapes, and horrors suffered upon the Southern states continued for decades at the hands of the Army that originally invaded them.
@@jerrynobbe2705 He was and he wasn't. The unconditional surrender stuff is well-recorded. But a lot of his own men did not respect him. Abraham Lincoln even sent spies to keep check on him. To make sure he wasn't too drunk. He was definitely humble though, his humility is recorded throughout his career and by countless sources.
I think the part is after the battle of Shiloh. The scene where Buckner and Longstreet tell Lee to not underestimate Ulysess Grant. I love that scene. At the end you see Lee with worried eyes lol
Oh the irony. Lee acknowledging the native American officer, Grant smoking a cigar, the tobacco of which undoubtedly was grown on a southern plantation....
They are fairly accurate from what I have read over the years, although they did make Lee out to be more of an ass towards Grant than he really was. Lee did look down on Grant because Lee was from an aristocratic family and a family of soldiers and leaders of men. Grant was just a common man and all Lee knew of him prior to 1862 was that he was forced to resign his commission in like 1854 for being drunk on duty.
@@vanringoLee would have brine poured on slaves that he was having flogged. Slavery made monsters of its perpetrators. Grant was an infinitely better man than Lee, and he also beat Lee at war.
@@vanringoThat's not totally true. Lee and Grant both served in the Mexican War together under General Scott. As an important staff officer to General Scott, Lee would have at least been familiar with Grant who was an officer who had received some noteriarty during the campaign. And I believe in real life Lee had to bring Grant back to the task at hand as Grant had started reminiscing with him regarding the war. Not saying they were fast friends but they had likely encountered each other.
@@donpietruk1517 Lee and Grant briefly met one time during the Mexican American War. Lee.while he remembered meeting Grant, could not remember anything about him. Just because they were in the Army at the same time, doesn't mean they knew each other. Lee was several years ahead of Grant and was in the Engineering Corps. Grant was a quartermaster in the infantry for part of the war. So yes Lee did look down on Grant and was genuinely shocked at how Grant treated not only Lee, but his officers and the rank and file troops. Lee hated that he lost to a common mid ranked cadet that showed no aptitude for anything other than map making and horses during his time at Weat Point. And then became a drunkard after the war and was forced to resign from the Army in disgrace due to being drunk on duty.
Mmmmmm, gonna have to disagree. Most historical accounts will tell you that Nathan Bedford Forrest was the best tactician. Sherman was probably the best strategist. Grant understood “bloody math” and was willing to lose more men than the south had to lose.
@@masterplokoon8803 Poseur Ranks the World: Civil War Generals 1 Robert E Lee (Confederacy) 2 Ulysses S Grant (Union) ... 3 William T Sherman (Union) ... 4 Stonewall Jackson (Confederacy) ... 5 Philip Sheridan (Union) ... 6 Nathan Bedford Forrest (Confederacy) ... 7 James Longstreet (Confederacy) ... 8 George Meade (Union) ...
@@masterplokoon8803 oddly enough, Lee held him in high regard General Robert E. Lee, C.S.A., to someone who had slandered Grant: "Sir, if you ever again presume to speak disrespectfully of General Grant in my presence, either you or I will sever his connection with this University. (Yet Lee had a slightly different opinion in 1864, when he wrote his son: "His talent and strategy consists in accumulating overwhelming numbers.")"
Lincoln was smart - very smart. He wanted peace. Move forward, immediately. The welfare of the nation is more important than everything else. Its' why Ford pardoned Nixon. And its why Trump will never go to jail.
Well, he wasn't really quite as good as his legend, but most of the criticisms leveled at him by modern, revisionist historians aren't really valid either.
That's the scene I was talking about, a Native American general from the Seneca Nation! While my people, the Chiricahua Apache were still fighting against and scouting for the 6th Calvary
@Aziair Yeah my family history is in books. I'm a direct descendant of Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache chief's Victorio, Mangas Coloradas, and Loco. I am also a direct descendant of US Chiricahua Apache scouts Charles Martine Sr and Paul Guydelkon Sr.
Truman was a strong 💪 President. He did alot to end WW2. He saved alot of American British Australian Allied warriors! From having to attack mainland Japan and further deaths. Roosevelt made that law that took good average Americans gold and other coinage. He had a silver tongue.
Come on up to the north and fight us then if you’re so passionate. You won’t cuz you’re all a bunch of kitties that know they will lose….again…and again
This meeting in the show: both 2 crazy confident generals with a freshly ironed uniform In reality: a room full of a bunch of tired annoyed guys that wanna go home
Misleading. Grant was a bit in awe of Lee as he fought for him in the Mexican-American war and admired his great leadership. It wasn’t a tense moment and Grant also asked Lee if his soldiers were hungry and fed them
This seen may not be entirely accurate but not bad, I’m not to far from Appomattox and it’s a really cool place with a good bit of history if your ever near it, I’ve been a few times