So true what the host said. One shoot and you’ll know more than a university course. I have a degree in electrical engineering/computer science. I came to work as a consultant for a production company. And through that I ran into the vfx supervisor. Over lunch I asked him questions. And having programmed, astronomy and medical image enhance algorithms, I was captivated that there are now pieces of software that could do all that without, programming. I came there every Friday. I automated their VFX pipeline and they taught me compositing. Suddenly I’m a VFX guy. One day I got a call from this guy to help him on Dunkirk with a difficult job. And later on Masters of the Sky. Combining my VFX knowledge with my programming knowledge. No school could ever learn you that in 4 years. And whilst being on sets, I learned cinematography just be watching asking questions. Buying my own gear. And 20 years ago I could barely shoot with a Nikon point and shoot. Being on the job is the place to learn. All the greats did.
@@Extraedit there’s really no substitute in my opinion. Schools and courses sessions are good for acquiring the basic knowledge that you need, but you can also get that from books. They don’t teach you to think and troubleshoot. That’s what on the job teaches you. You see people solving problems you collect those ideas and your own to the mix. Schools give you basic knowledge. Being onset gives you priceless experience.
I'm 12 minutes in and my brain keeps coming back to this comment. This often happens in a theatre environment. everything is last minute - flap flap flap and then it gets balls'd up :/
I like the content but the problem with a lot of this masterclass is the recording. The folks recording them do not know how to record or film in a coordinated manner. They keep on filming the presenter and not what the presenter is talking about or trying to show. For example, when Roberto was instructing the gaffer (or was it the grip) to adjust the flag, the person filming it kept on recording Roberto talking on his mic and not the flag that needs to be corrected. The latter is more important to see which we hear Roberto in the background talking or explaining what he wants done.
To the defense of whoever were behind the cams, there are never enough cameras to cover enough angles, and this is a multi-camera shooting, so the director either have to call for a camera to move or to call the angle, if it's done live with a switcher.
You aren't wrong, but the sheer quality of how simply he is able to really, include a substantial amount of insight into the lighting, framing, reacting directly to the lighting motivation, etc- it totally feels like classic 80s/90s bts footage that was so juicy and rare to come across before DVD began including that stuff with every single move. Before DVD, finding ANY content like this was pretty special to see. But yea, the first 15 minutes of horrid audio issues was almost a dealbreaker for me.... haha
Love this. These live events would be much better online with a switcher. Wish we could see through the camera and maybe even see what's on the monitor.
This has really made me rethink things. The detail, care and effort that goes into this is mind blowing (to a novice anyway). Even the problem solving is something I never knew about. I'm only here because I've recently realized I need to learn about lighting, and this is way over my head, but it's fascinating all the same.
Thank you so much for making this channel and gathering all these videos. I'm not a cinematographer but these videos are still extremely fascinating and you learn so much.
As one of the free content providers in this case I 'm thankful that the majority of comments here recognise just what we set up to happen and the freedom with which Robert Schaefer made available his experience (which is contained in the first statement of intent). In a sense the rest of what happens (apart from the information delivered) is about osmosis - how he delivers what her wants' and how he gets to his goal and the 200 person audience soaking that up. During this whole week-long shoot no one was paid - from Oscar winners to students - and the crew is made primarily of students (the sparks were paid and freely gave advice to students about how to be on set and how to enable the DP to achieve what they want and need). As the week went on, the student crew and student directors got better at their jobs - naturally, because doing under tutelage illustrates theory every time.
Wow! What a difference it makes to start moving the camera when he says "...and ..." Instead of moving the camera at exactly "Action", This is the difference between a good shot to edit and a nice shot but unusable....What a treat.
Your teachers will not appreciate that comment, I'm almost sure they do their best with what they have! Even though I respect your opinion, and I do believe that students should be somewhat irreverent with authority, but always respectful and appreciative... Also, perhaps there is no need to be comparing. In live, it isn't always "either or..." Sometimes we learn different things from different places. Just saying, thank you for listening.
Do not use your tuition on a short. Shorts don't sell and won't make an ROI. Make a feature, music video, or spec commercial. Better yet, just sit on that money and start PAing local productions until you know exactly how best to spend that money to further your career
"Rec.709 you know... is just... it gives you a look... a kind of a normal look... look i'm out of coke and this guys mic keeps feeding back and i'm not getting paid at all right now....now back to you Rob"
Easy to blame the sound engineer. Since they obviously didn’t have spare lapel mics it’s probably the AV production companies fault for not having them or the event organiser for not wanting to pay for them. The sound engineers probably doing their best.
I'm watching that mic getting passed thinking of our current covid issue. O.o Either/or, awesome video with tons of insight. Much respect to the industry and the amount of minds and hands involved.
Would of liked to see some lavender mixed with CTB as ambient fill for sunrise. Pure black mixed with “the sun” just doesn’t work. Good workshop otherwise.
Ya know what's funny..."DP"s always teach me stuff I love it..I mean they put the gloss on the painting and their always on their game...I love it...I tell'em what I want and they can nail it...like to the floor...I love it...such beautiful photo play..
great masterclass, just wish there was more concentration on what was happening around the camera, or the screens instead of the Actors or speakers (always)
Some really interesting insights. I wonder why he doesn't use a fill light from the direction of the audience to light up the actors a bit more sharply. Besides this would help to soften the harsh shadows if fitted with dimmers and their intensity raised as the sun rises. The green screen at back acts as bounce fill but will lead to a green colour cast on the actors. This could lead a problem in post, drawing a clean matte around the actors. Of course the famous Hollywood three point lighting is considered old fashioned. I still think a very low intensity soft top light would have been useful to separate the actors from tge backgrounds
Audio is not important.... if they are, why is it so far down in the credits. and why isn't it often part of planning. this "masterclass" is an example how audio is an after thought
Very helpful :D ... but the live production director (or editor) needs a masterclass in live production though. Too many useless and ill-composed tight shots. Stay on the wide so that we can see *what the crew is actually doing*. Cut to the tight when you have something interesting or informative to show.
I cant make an expert assessment of the quality of the knowledge offered by this video...but the audio engineer either didn't have the appropriate equipment (horrible EQing for the PA) or he was not experienced enough to be on this gig.....just my opinion. hard to absorb PRO material when nagging little factors like that distract so much. live sound and recording sound are pretty different
Rude to wear a hat knowing you are lit from above so your in half-face shadow. People want to see the eyes for non-verbal communication. ... RU-vid having deleted my first two comments, I write again.
Great masterclass, incredibly poorly filmed... which is not ok as you cannot see what the crew is doing with grip and lights which is the whole point of a masterclass. If you are learning you have to see exactly how things are done, words don't work on their own. Crew assisting the DOP also looks like they don't really know what they are doing...
