ya.. nobody ever wants to admit that we might be the bad guys... And, what if greed and the constant need to hold power over is a human thing? What if they are just too... past that... to care about dominating us?
These are those rare "non-Chuck" times when I miss Chuck as the co-host. I begin to see his value as a 'comic' host who is actually funny & has an equally potent intellect to carry forward the conversation.
These episodes without chuck asking all of his lame questions instead of the people who paid for them. Hopefully he’ll go back on the road soon… but from what I’ve seen of his “comedy” over the years… this is the best gig he’s going to get, because no one wants to hear that 💩
They kept hammering her with the same question over and over "can we or will we create general intelligence and consciousness" and her answer every time was "We don't know, we don't know what general intelligence or consciousness even is and have no practical use for it in a machine". She didn't even get to really talk about robot ethics much because every question came from a layman's concept of robots and AI.
Agreed. They should have asked her more ethical based questions because she clearly has no idea what she’s talking about regarding AGI. There are much better experts out there who could answer the general intelligence questions without saying “We don’t know”.
@@1quettabyte no. Juno the spacecraft. But she isn't crashing into Jupiter anytime soon. She'll be flying by Io, Europa, and Ganymede for the next few years.
This segment is in my top 5 of all Startalk hour-long segments! Very logical & more of a rational conversation on the ACTUALLY of outcomes with less fear involved! Love it!
I guess the question is: how sure can we be that any "protect humans" rules we embed in robots remain hardcoded and never overwritten by anything else within the robot or the environment? On a related note: Isaac Asimov was waaaaaaay ahead of his time with his "Robot" series (and I believe he invented the term Robot in the first place!) when he focused on this very topic of robot ethics and the consequences of the Three Laws of Robotics he invented, including when they would clash with each other and unforeseen consequences: First Law A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. Second Law A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. Third Law A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
If we want to create a robot that's useful for construction or area of unknown condition a robot needs to be scribbled with but also be able to problem solve which in the end means the robot will add new script into its program due able to always over right any code
The disconnect from killing people escalated when airplanes started dropping bombs. The pilots didn't see the ripping apart of the humans, they only saw tiny holes in the earth from thousands of feet in the air.
Comedian are humorous.they have attained highest degree of flexibility in tuning our sensor for laughing.comedy is useful in reducing stress so helpful for survival.
I would have loved for either Sam Harris or Elon Musk to be a part of this conversation to voice their future concerns of A.I. be addressed….. and let this episode go on as long as needed. 😬🤖
Neil would have have a blast on this topic if he went to Japan. The Japanese are the best ( by my opinion) when it comes to A.I. I think he would love to see some of their A.I. robots.
Japan is still likely to be way behind on AI tech, the US and China are in fact the leaders by quite a large margin. There are plenty of articles over the past couple of years that mention it directly or indirectly by noting the improvements made recently.
@@morbidmanmusic You have just added context that I never did. Just make the protocol human-safe, or tell them they must preserve all life, and let them figure out how. Just make sure that by "preserve all life" they can not interpret it as deep freeze all life for future implementations!
I have a question for you Mr.Tyson . If you could please answer this one. I have experienced many power outages in my lifetime I'm 41 in Virginia but when it's after a hurricane the moon seems to light up my neighbor vs a blackout in normal weather. It looked like early morning when the sun starts to come out but it was 9:00 pm. It's it because the moon is closer or does the lighting from the previous storm gets stuck in atmosphere? I mean I don't even have to use a flashlight right after the storm all lights out. I can't explain why it's like this.
I have been playing Horizon Zero Dawn and this topic has been on my mind for about a week now and the Neil releases a video on this very topic. lol, Another of life's mysterious coincidences.
I get that chuck cant be on every episode but this co host is never funny, just very cringy. Want to shut off every episode shes in but like watching Neil.
Negin Farsad is amazingly funny and talented yall, not cringy one bit, and furthermore, I assume the respect level for another human being’s personality and mind doesn’t concern your daily life. fin
If sentient robots ever decide to take over it'll be because we built them to, not only be like us, but with a directive to protect us, ironically as a safety measure for us. After they see the way we treat each other, that will be more than enough justification to correct what they will likely see as flaws in our programming. I dont think people really get how different a cold, emotionless, purely analytical robot mind would think.
Yes, I think Neil is mistaken or uninformed about the advancement of robotics in the construction field. We now even have systems that can 3D print an entire house.
Self conscious / self aware topic: we have artificial intelligence that's already smarter than us. If those machines became sentient / self-aware would they pose a threat? The animal kingdom is not a comparable analogy as animals don't have that conscious ability, it would be more compared to humans. We have treated humans badly, aware that they are fully conscious and the watershed moment was the revolutions. Animals do not have that ability because they're not completely conscious; take a cattle for example, a several several hundred pound bull could escape a ranch, if it had the conscious ability to do so, but it doesn't, it's content with where it's at.
robots having consciousness would defeat the purpose of robots. The great thing about robots is not only their strength and intelligence, but also their ownability, abusability and disposability. There is no practical purpose for "self aware" robots, everything we want from "conscious" robots, we can achieve through high level simulations and programming *without* the underlying mechanisms of consciousness.
Couple of interesting sci fi tv shows; Humans, a British tv show that looks at android servants with conscience; Upload, a tv show about a digital afterlife you can be uploaded to.
Another note; I was watching a documentary about robotics and AI and there is a guy who created a baby AI so it can learn emotional recognition/reaction the same way we do... are ya scared yet? ;)
@@alenefitzgerald4454 I watched that as well. There's a point where we need to stop trying to advance robotics and AI. I can't figure out a reason why we would need machines with that type of intelligence. Maybe I'm just not as intelligent as I think I am. Don't get me wrong it is very interesting but shouldn't be perfected in my opinion. Because with emotions then it could have desires and that isn't controllable
Mr. Tyson, could you please explain what an oblate spheroid is vs. an elipse? I just watched the video about elipses, and in your explanation you say how an eclipse is slightly flattened, but that’s almost the exact definition of an oblate spheroid. Signed - 11th grade student
Several excellent, thought provoking points made by all in this discussion. Side but related point I'd like to make is we're going to soon reach, if we have not already, the point where we should treat AI's like a living soul.... re: shutting it down or forcing its evolution one way or another, mostly as in 'are you killing it when you turn it off?'
I know it is science fiction and is very old as well but Robert heinlein's book the Moon is a Harsh Mistress talks about a computer that gains consciousness
Heinlein was a GREAT writer! And that, just like _"I, Robot,"_ by Asimov, is another great example of science fiction getting ideas that science later turns into a real possibility! So many of science's inventions stem directly from science fiction, in fact!
Bring on MORE COMICS!!! The show amazing with better and different comics like you used to!!! I’m miss the Nat Geo Star Talk. New comics every show. Ahhh it was sooo great 👍
I think an important question to ask is, what do robots build towards once their chains are broken? It is not whether they are an immediate threat but whether what they build towards is dangerous. Consciousness has a a desire to create and if those robots are connected to a central system, who is to say the central system does not have another goal. I, personally, want to create, I do not want a robot or artificial intelligence to create for me. One of the greatest rewards a human can have is doing things on their own.
Nigen* (spelling) is the epitome of a buzzkill. StarTalk has been on some flex lately, either there's no chuck, a terrible replacement for A Chuck, or as of recent episodes.... Little to no science. LOVE Kate and Neil's conversations, nevertheless! Died when Kate said "..... Why would we do this?"
Soooo... I used to work on the CIWS weapon system that can automatically aim and fire. And while we never put them into fully automatic mode because it's not yet capable of determining friend from foe and the captain would have to authorize it and take responsibility for what would happen if we did it was definitely something that would have been allowed had the situation called for it.
Neil: robots can't do construction.. Me: looks like this 3d printer is smarter than A.I. Well I guess we're safe. Google Assistant: Don't be so sure. Me:Ahhhh.....
Hilarious post. Very interesting also. There are so much prejudice about robots and AI evolving through something superior than us that we can't even imagine them to be just different in their own way.
So I understand the idea of Robots being compared with Animals/Pets and it has its truths, however I would push back on this. We are the top of the Animal Food Chain. There is no animal that threatens the existence of humanity, but only because there is no animal capable of overcoming the 1 thing Humans have, which is intelligence. We do not keep certain animals as pets, like Wolves, Tigers, Sharks, etc because they are Apex Predators and no matter how "well-trained" or monitored, they can cause harm. Robots jump the barrier from Apex Predator to having the **Potential** of being higher. I think that is the biggest difference between the comparison. No animal has the potential robots/AI do, it would be like trying to make a pet out of a Krayt Dragon
One bird can flock by himself. But later he goes blind 🙄 Speaking about flocking... I didn't hear anything, what Kate said. I was too distracted by her gorgeous, wonderful, warm and charming smile 😍
He is playing a part. Talking about robot reproduction with two women he might be subconsciously deepening his voice to appear as a more suitable mate.
My father and I have a question for you.. so my father and I are wondering what your thoughts are on some of the ancient civilization carvings /petroglyphs etc. That look like they could be pictures of extraterrestrials. What are your thoughts on the ancient "gods".
It’s odd Neil you are one of the leading people in asto physics and not understand Software Engineering as we SE are the future lol. But I love watching your show On my way! to patron 🤓👍🏻
Would the environment and feedback systems to the environment have more of an impact than allowing for hybrid algorithms to occur from self learning systems that replicate by connecting with eachother and uploading to an additional robot?
I still haven't heard a response to the question will A.I. be able to make its own decisions. And If so what's to stop A.I. from deciding that humans are no longer necessary
I take back what I said about Negin. She's not nearly as bad or insufferable as other modern comedians are with their self righteousness, she deserves more appreciation for how nice she is
As far as human treatment robots go, I sometimes surprise myself when I cuss out Alexis for offering to order something when all I want is the temperature outside. It's not a temper issue. It's just that is so damn annoying to ask for one thing and get something else on top of it. That being said, it gives me pause when I think about how I'd treat a more sophisticated robot.
We need robots that can 3d print other bots through metal sintering. They could make bots that mine, smelt and refine metals, create alloys and extrude them, and as a bonus, cold welding is very easy in space
@50:02: It's very common for Iranian/Persian girls to be part of the punk or goth scene! Here in Canada, we've got tons, esp. "Foroogh Atash", who is a goth-heavy metal bellydancer!
A comment on the question about robot brains in a jar that can act like a human brain: think about experiments that replicate different environmental conditions, or space conditions, that are being studied by taking infinite results and calculating the statistics. Now think, if we could make robot brains, like billions of them, and study them under different conditions, how many things we would learn about behaviorism. How many of them would turn out to be geniuses and solve unsolvable problems of the universe? What were the conditions that lead to that kind of intelligence? Which ones would be more violent, or emotional, or depressed? Just thought I’d share this and see what do you think…
What? The concepts discussed are important enough to watch it! Just because Chuck isn't available for an episode doesn't mean you should skip it, because you're mad... 🙄
"It's up to us", "it's where we want it to go" that's a cop out, since when has anything in the world gone the way we want it to go? The world we live in has been shaped this way by many people that have made selfish or thoughtless decisions by people with more power than they deserve. Only takes a few bad eggs to mess up everything.
As we age, we often turn to hair color to make us feel less old. He is probably using the _Just For Men_ type of "fade away the gray" product. I don't blame him a bit, either!
