The Verge we already do. Most process are mechanised and automated. I’m amazed people are surprised about this, how do you guys think the food in the supermarket gets there? Robots at the farm, robots processing, robots cooking, robots packing, robots at transport... this is just another step on efficacy. It’s not a revolution, it is the last in the revolution that began two centuries ago.
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Absolutely! A well developed robot will prepare yummy, healthy, standardized meals of constant quality and cheap. I'll pay a human to make food when I'm looking for creativity or want to be surprised.
Exactly! That's exactly what I was thinking about lol. They won't take your jobs because we'll just get rid of you. You don't want this job anyways! Pff haha
I really want to see robot /artificial intelligence to start processing ideas at their own and start making robot without any human help so every become jobless. If you are IT..guy, than the golden age is at it peak at the moment, and before you know, you will at the row with person who is flipping burger or mapping your office floor, in fact you will be less advantage because that person can adopt to leave on almost nothing... So to whom it may concern, don't get too excited. I think it should be adopted law that put extreme high tax on profit that comes strickly from robot as labor, extreme high tax on corporation that use the robots as main source of their labor, and high incentives to corporations who hires more human labor.. Otherwise, large corporations going to be in huge advantage for designing their robots that fit their needs while small business ultimately shut down because the high payroll compare to their competitors...if you open robot pizza franchise with one person, compare to pizza shop with 4 or 5 workers, you are going to sell pizza for 4 while small business asking for 10 to pay his payroll...
@@Cloopster do you think these workers would stay in the mistreatment and underpay if they had other options available? They are mistreated because of their lack of high paying skills, which will still hold true once the robots displace them :(
Never really thought about how using robots in restaurants could actually make the food you eat fresher. Of course there'll be other companies (fast food) that won't go that route, but it's cool to see restaurants that care about quality can use this to actually make better food
Why wouldn't fast food restaurants go that route? At McDonalds you used to walk in and see 5 or 6 teenagers at tills at the counter waiting to take your order. Now there is 1 human and 4 touchscreens. If a Burger making robot costs $100,000, and minimum wage is $10 an hour... that's $20,000ish a year for a Full Time person. If you can get rid of 2 people and the Robot will last more than 3 years... it's cheaper. Where I live minimum wage is $11/hour and it's going up to $15. You BET McDonalds will replace burger flippers with bots!
Well it will take your job lol. I used to work at mcdonalds. Before they rolled out the kiosk's we would have on avg 6 people on tills. Now there is 1 person. Why, because kiosks take peoples orders better than people do. And it's cheaper. Just say it will take your job, because it will.
It is the same at Costco. I would typically see 3-4 people on tills, 3-4 people in the back putting things together. Now they have the kiosks, 1 till and 3 runners/pizza makers. Half the people and the orders come out faster, I don't see this slowing down. Especially when people in my field are payed so well to design this automation. As far as McDonalds they have been automating and reducing incrementally for a looong time. Example, when I 1st started at McDonalds you actually placed the frozen patties, then flipped after a timer went off. Then pull. Now they place them, push a button, a pallet comes down and when it pops up you just pull them, once they automate pulling that part will be done. When I last was involved with backend at McDs, what used to be 5-6 is now 2-3 people. Kiosks at Mcds did make and impact, as they typically have 1 cashier (not dedicated) to handle those not using the kiosk or handle issues. Walmart (the smaller one) pulled out all of their cash stations, put all automated checkouts except 1 station. So now there are 20 lines open all of the time and therefore checkout is faster. Again faster checkout and leave will cause automation to take over. the next step is WIP is to check out the cart. Is pushed into the checkout stand, all items are processed without touching them, and you pay the total. Walk out, as more and more states start banning single use bags you just take the cart to your car and unload unbagged into the car unless you have your own carry bags. This is just stuff happening today and stuff over the next 1-2 years. the only saving grace for now is automated cars are still at least 5 years off, so there is still driving.
Haha the funny thing is, here in the Philippines, people hate the kiosks coz it made the service slowerrrrrr instead of linining and getting your order right away, you need to line twice for getting the order. So they blame it and now only very few people use the kiosks.
You have to look deeper. It's not the robot (ppl think of it as a living being because of the movies...sigh) that takes your job. It's the highly skilled engineer that out competes a bunch of lowly skilled servers. He gets investors to give him money to make whole or parts of automation to do a bunch of the servers' jobs. He then collects a brunt of their would-be-paycheck in the form of sales and maintenance contracts. One day he will become really big because of all the servers' paychecks he got. In turn he gives some of it to other engineers, technicians, salespersons, etc...as well as warehouse workers. Those who have no skills...can work in his warehouse instead of McDonalds! In other words, new powerful ppl want you to work for them and not the old powerful people. Same capitalist story for centuries! ;)
I think that the real question is not whether there will or won't be jobs in the new industrial revolution but what having a job will get you in terms of lifestyle. Even if you have a job, it may not be considered as making a valuable contribution to the powers that be. I am seeing this now with young people with University degrees that lead to underemployment, i.e. waiter/server and support living in one room in a communal apartment with the option of riding a bike to work. The future is not brighter.
Loool agree, the guy was touching the tomatoes in the kitchen to get them ready to put inside the machine, other dude was putting the buns in the tubes (I think he was wearing gloves), the lettuce in the tube was already sliced, someone had to handle the big pieces of meat too in the butchery or whatever. Her argument was so bs.
Riiiiight... because the unskilled Burger Flipper will be maintaining robots. "Hey Billy! I know you can barely put a burger together... can you figure out why the menu interface is dropping commands to the servos?" Not even that... the Boss won't even know where the problem is. "Hey Billy. The machine is skipping parts of customers orders. Can you fix that?" More like 10 burger flippers lose their jobs. 1 Bot Maintenance dude get hired. 1 Bot doesn't need dedicated full time care... Bot maintenance dude is contracted out. He covers multiple restaurants so really he's replacing 100 burger flippers all around town. Until 5 years later they make a Maintenance Bot that can handle cleaning, routine maintenance and 90% of the most common issues. 9 Bot Maintenance Dudes lose their jobs and 1 gets to stick around to cover the 10% of issues the MaintBots can't and operate the maintenance fleet.
Yeah. The video said both that they won't come for our jobs AND that the restaurants will save money on labor by using machines. So which is it? And how tf is cheap rent an argument here? This is downtown San Francisco. Clearly rent wasn't an issue.
In a high priced area you want to reduce your rental cost by reducing the number of square footage you need. The robots are claimed to need fewer sq ft.
The market is saying those burger flippers should be working somewhere else. By your logic, lawns should be cut by hand-held scissors. Those newfangled power mowers reduce the number of workers needed to mow a lawn from 30 to 3. If a burger place in a certain area is ONLY economically viable because of the robots, that means it wouldn't exist at all. Meaning zero workers, zero demand met for the public, and zero tax collected. Defending low-tech is a fail on every front.
It's not maintenance in that way, what they meant was loading buns, adding more tomatoes to the slicer, making sure that everything is running on the production line the way it should, they even showed in the video people doing all that. Obviously they'd have someone more skilled, someone who built the machine to maintain the software etc. jeez... does this really have to be explained? Watch the damn video...
That's not true, about people not touching your food. They may not be touching the 'finished product,' but how do you think all the ingredients got into the machine in the first place, by magic? Hahaa!
@@Vi-pv3xi You kinda have to pay them, they probably cost a fortune plus maintenance and repairs. Still probably cheaper and less problematic than humans.
Firstly, flipping burgers qualify someone as a chef now?? Secondly, this is a classic argument I see a lot. It can be easily rebutted with the fact that it will become a positive once the former employees get another job. If you have this way of thinking to govern the world, then we would not have pretty much anything really. The car beats the carts so that wouldn't be allowed, a stronger battery wouldn't be allowed since it beats the other batteries.
So a solution to the crazy cost of living in San Francisco which makes it too expensive to pay employees and for the those employees to live in the city which they would work, is to eliminate those jobs by replacing the humans with robots.......which drops the business costs for employers, but doesn't really help to calm the fear that in a world getting more expensive by the minute, that companies will simply continue to find ways to drop human labor for machines which just require a few people for occasional maintenance.
This might be great for an expensive place like San Fran, but what happens when the Bot Makers start selling them in smaller towns where the cost of rent isn't $30k/yr? And never mind maintenance. Once machines like this become standard, they will develop a maintenance bot that can handle cleaning, routine maintenance and the top 90% of common failures. Techno Communism is coming... mark my words! 50 years from now 90% of jobs will be automated. What will happen when we reach 90% unemployment? I hope we start giving people what they need for free, because Bot-Labor produces it.
This video answered no questions about taking jobs away from human workers. It's only telling us that the few jobs left will likely pay higher... Not to mention the increased skill requirement in servicing complex machinery, which might take those available jobs out of the hands of minimum wage workers just trying to get by.
Automation is inevitable. Robots are simply cheaper investments and makes businesses more efficient with their spend (like in the video example, money is reinvested in better ingredients). I think this is a win for their target market. For something called 'fast food', this kinda makes sense. However, it does not answer the problem of unemployment. What it can offer is higher quality jobs with better pay for work that bots can't cover. It's sad but eventually systems will find a way to reallocate the work force because economies will fall if there are less and less consumers who actually have money to pay for goods.
Charles dela Cruz Agreed, I'm all in favor of the Automated Utopia in which humans are freed up to just do what they love while robots take care of hard labor. If we ever see that though, I don't think it'll be for a very long time and the transition is going to be very rough
4:26 What they're actually saying is that they can't find people willing to work at the wage that they're offering. That means that though robots may not directly replace humans, they're starting to undercut humans. That's not a bad thing as long as we accept that people are rapidly starting to become obsolete through no fault of their own.
That's misleading, they still have to touch all the ingredients to stock the machine. So people are still touching everything on the burger. Plus the food sits in tubes for extended periods of time so it's technically not fresh. Eventually somebody has to eat the last burger in the tube and who knows how long its been in there. Plus it is touching all the fresher burgers above it when restocked unless they change the tube out after its empty.
It's otherwise sitting around in a cooler because restaurants need to keep their stock somewhere so going by that logic nothing is fresh and it doesn't matter. The point is it's fresher than, say, presliced produce. And given that it's a cheap restaurant in a big city I doubt the time produce stays in the tubes is as terrifying as you make it out to be.
Automation is so exciting! Farms that sell corn on the husk usually employ over 10 people to sort the corn because around 20% of corn that gets harvested is damaged or spoiled. We work for minimum wage so that amounts to $100/hour or $1000/day. I am working on a machine that could sort corn with extreme accuracy and speed. It takes people about 1 hour to sort a trailer full but this machine can sort it in under 10 minutes. The machine is one upfront cost and the farm makes their money back within a year. This will bring down the costs of corn from $.60/ear to under $.40. Unfortunately? Fortunately? Idk, it will replace thousands of workers all over America.
I'm starting to honestly think that in the future most menial jobs will be replaced by bots. Instead people will start getting paid for their creativity instead of wasting time on boring tedious jobs. Wouldn't it be amazing, instead let people get paid for their best human trait, creativity; making art, games, videos, ect, let the bots do the dull tedious stuff, :D
I really want to see robot /artificial intelligence to start processing ideas at their own and start making robot without any human help so every become jobless. If you are IT..guy, than the golden age is at it peak at the moment, and before you know, you will at the row with person who is flipping burger or mapping your office floor, in fact you will be less advantage because that person can adopt to leave on almost nothing... So to whom it may concern, don't get too excited. I think it should be adopted law that put extreme high tax on profit that comes strickly from robot as labor, extreme high tax on corporation that use the robots as main source of their labor, and high incentives to corporations who hires more human labor.. Otherwise, large corporations going to be in huge advantage for designing their robots that fit their needs while small business ultimately shut down because the high payroll compare to their competitors...if you open robot pizza franchise with one person, compare to pizza shop with 4 or 5 workers, you are going to sell pizza for 4 while small business asking for 10 to pay his payroll...
I really want to see robot /artificial intelligence to start processing ideas at their own and start making robot without any human help so every become jobless. If you are IT..guy, than the golden age is at it peak at the moment, and before you know, you will at the row with person who is flipping burger or mapping your office floor, in fact you will be less advantage because that person can adopt to leave on almost nothing... So to whom it may concern, don't get too excited. I think it should be adopted law that put extreme high tax on profit that comes strickly from robot as labor, extreme high tax on corporation that use the robots as main source of their labor, and high incentives to corporations who hires more human labor.. Otherwise, large corporations going to be in huge advantage for designing their robots that fit their needs while small business ultimately shut down because the high payroll compare to their competitors...if you open robot pizza franchise with one person, compare to pizza shop with 4 or 5 workers, you are going to sell pizza for 4 while small business asking for 10 to pay his payroll...
If a robot is built to do something humans were doing before, it's literally taking their job. They may switch to other jobs that have to do with maintaining the robot - but these jobs are often fewer in number or require different qualification, or require less qualification which means less pay, or offer no career prospects. A burger robot is just another tool of corporate greed, and I feel insulted by this channel trying to tell me otherwise. All would be nice and fine if we let robots do the work and enjoyed our free time - if we didn't _have_ to work something, anything, for 40h a week to be entitled to food and shelter. We'd have to get the politics in place to prepare for this automated utopia, but that's not going to happen. What's going to happen is poverty, unemployment and the psychopaths hoarding a lot of money hoarding even more.
Why the 'food expert' even mentioned the argument of cooks touching your food as per se disgusting? TBH i never even thought about it while waiting for my food.
Will not happen, to get sick i had to probably lick to everyone's hands in the restaurant including animals and I wouldnt be so sure. TO get food poisoning one of the ingredients has to be rotten or if they fry food in old oil, Is not that simple.
"robots can pick up that slack and do those repetitive tasks that humans don't really need to do"..... yeah those are called JOBS and you literally just described robots taking those JOBS.
They take outdated jobs. However, they create jobs as well. Robots need to be maintained, calibrated, HACCP quality control frequency can be increased and people just need to be stand-by in case the machine is failing.
There are more fulfilling skills people can acquire. Taking orders is not a scalable skill set. I can guarantee you we will see a rise in robotics jobs, analysts jobs, and higher paying jobs in general catered to designing, building, and managing machines like these.
Sure. I'm pro machine, btw. But...the point of the machine is to save / make more money. IF that is in regards to rent space, sure! But generally, it's to save on labor costs. If a restaurant spend 200k on a machine and then even more money for the labor to run the machine, that's not going to work.
Before computers, clerks in banks manually tally account transactions and keep typing each ledger all day long. Just think if banks did not started using computers to save JOBS how our modern world would be? Now we have multiple branches of banks which can be managed by smaller people instead of bigger branch having multiple employees...maybe you don't need to go to a branch....you get everything on your mobile!
I always love it when people say things like, " incorporating the robots greatly lowers overhead, which means business owners can pay their employees better. " Key word being "can". Not ought, not will, but could. Wonder if you can pay half your rent with "my employer could be paying me more."
I'm a former food service employee, and I admit that see one positive upside to this process... customers will have to start taking responsibility for their orders. I can't tell you the number of times customers will change their minds at the drop of a hat, and not tell an employee, about whether or not they wanted pickles/onions/etc in their order... which leads having to remake orders and such. Seems like that is completely automated from order placing to delivering of final product... and only the customer to blame for order mistakes. On the human side... I can see this hurting people trying to get that first job experience. I'm currently job hunting myself and all postings say that they want people with experience... even in food related industries for jobs like working in the kitchen of, say, a retirement home. This is going to make filling such jobs even harder.
I work in industrial automation. I sell the sensors that machines like this use to see and do things. Automation does not kill jobs. It reallocates human resources to more meaningful areas. Would you enjoy watching potato packaging for 8 hours a day? No? Well good, because I have a $2,500 sensor that does that. Now that person who was watching potatoes can go and do something else in shipping/receiving, moving product, etc. There's currently a labor shortage in manufacturing. Automation is filling the void because there aren't enough people to fill these fields of work. Employee wages at my customer firms generally go up after my company works with them. Same goes for restaurants. Now you can have cleaner restaurants and so on. No need to worry. Also, people enjoy human interaction. Not every restaurant will become automated. Also, automated capital is insanely expensive.
I am really looking forward for robotic restaurants being the norm in the future. As a person who has worked in that kind of business making pizzas and burgers, I really can appreciate the effort. I don't think most of the people here know how freaking exhausting it is to work 8 hours straight in these types of workplaces. And yes, some workers will get replaced by a robot. But they could be rehired to make sure, that the robot does everything correctly and maintain it. I mean they already have the experience and know if the robot does anything wrong.
If you don't realize that the number of workers will be cut down until they do end up exhausted with all their tasks, you still don't get people's greed...
You ask for 15 dollars an hour, here's your pink slip. BTW, this is your replacement. Be careful what you ask for, especially when the labor you provide is unskilled labor...
You are incredibly STUPID. AI will soon take ALL jobs. They start off with automating stuff like this, but they already have algorithms that replace Day traders, accountants, etc. AI will take all jobs except for maybe prostitution and Computer Science.
Frank Edwards You fail to understand that I am aware of that. What drives automation is costs (labor), especially when unskilled works demanding higher wages because they feel they deserve more then what they are receiving currently & politicians giving in (capture sympathy votes) and making it law. Then employers in turn lay off employees or cut hours, until they can figure out a way to automate all repeatative jobs. BTW, I work with traders (MBS) they are a long ways from replacing them as their are variables that can't be quantified when trading and require human beings. AI has come along way, but still has a long ways to go... BTW, name calling is far from classy, so keep it civil...
Do you see how they have to load the buns and how many? Every machine I have ever worked on , installed, maintained always required more people to feed, clear errors, and remove product from the machine. While losing jobs is always operators concern. My experience, (30+years) is more people are ALWAYS needed to keep it running.
@@bambur1 Same with the "computer revolution". It didn't eliminate paper oriented jobs, it just turned the paper into globally dispersed datacenters holding 1 gazillion sheets of virtual papers in EACH hard drive (or is it SSD now, then optical quantum gizmos). Each requiring hundreds of workers from floor moppers to Ph.D's holders to keep running. It's part of human nature. You used to work on the farm and didn't know how to read. Now everyone does and expects every book at one type away. Same goes for hard goods.
No they are not. The restaurant isn't giving people new jobs. The wouldn't be any point in doing it then. A McDonald's restaurant that has 14 full time worker and the manager replaces them full automates. You now only need two workers and the manager. Tech to maintain the equipment.. another guy to fill the machines. You just reduced your work force by 11 workers. If it worked out any other way they wouldn't do it.
People will always pay more for hand made products. While a large amount of the fast food industry will be automated in the future, there will still be a restaurant industry with plenty of human workers.
Human From Earth Is that including digital nomads, artist, and musicians that required to be automated? That's rather stupid for me (even I am pro-automation). -_____- Only form of jobs that *is repetitive, menial and dangerous* that humans do not like it, can be automated. Except some form of jobs that humans want to involve either risky, adventurous activities or both, *can be synergized* [working together] with automation to improve the safety and reliability, such as "truckers"--drivers that ride in a trucks or lorries to carry goods.
"It takes 5 minutes to make a burger start to finish"... "With two machines the team can make 130 Burgers per hour" Is it just me or does this not add quite up.
Dragonrasa Exactly, 5/60 means there is 12 burgers per hour. 12*2 would then land it at 24 total per hour. She is probably one of those people with a degree in liberal arts that can’t do basic math.
Yeah, Could be that multiple burgers can be made at the same time, because she said it take 1 burger to 5 minites to complete the journey but did not state how many are making that journey at the same time
4 года назад
Dragonrasa & That Guy - You never heard about an assembly line? For example, it takes about 20 hours to assembly a Ford F150 on the assembly line, but a new car is produced every 53 seconds, so the line is fully loaded and running nonstop they could theoretically make 1630 cars every 24hours.
What I like about this idea is the consistency. Whenever you go to a restaurant and order something then come back another day it will probably be off a bit from what you had the first time around. People today want convenience and consistency so in a few years from now we’ll be seeing plenty of these. They have a location here in Boston that makes salads with robots.
That's a very Americanized way of thinking, in most countries, restaurants are local and not big chains. Americans have a very infantile taste and don't like change or anything that challenges them. That's why they travel to a different country and still eat at McDonald's.
Who thinks that if they couldn't have a team of efficient people who drive around to all the locations just refilling these machines and drop the price down to $4.50 that the company wouldn't do it? Also, flipping burgers doesn't seem to be that appealing of a job (not that anyone is actually flipping the burgers with this machine around). It's hot, you stand on your feet all day, grease in your face, it's also kinda dangerous. Why do we aspire to this? Do we aspire to give kids jobs to sow together our Nikes or do we rejoice when kids can be replaced with laser suture machines that are faster and more accurate? Let's get rid of these terrible jobs, get everyone a livable basic income and let everyone spend 100% of their time pursing their dreams.
The point is that we won't need to work. I know it's hard to imagine but, what if we all just did what we wanted? What if we only worked at things we found rewarding on their own and didn't work jobs we hate to pay rent. At that point why live in a crowded city? Why not just find some like minded friends and start re-vitalizing a block of Detroit? Why not grow vegetables and do woodworking in a commune. You could play videogames full time. You could just join 3 bands and tour coffeeshops around the nation. You could bike to every state and try to write the great American novel. The sky is the limit.
Read a bit more history and see how communism has never worked because, guess what kiddo, the human is an inherently selfish and greedy species. Nature as a whole is selfish and greedy. Communism never works. UBI will onl rekt society, check out what results UBI had in Oakland, Canada, Finland. They decided to stop the programs when they saw they are utter failures. You might be well intentioned, but you are extremely naive. And if you think you have a special job that will not be outsourced soon, you're in for a rude awakening in 15-20 years at most. Robots will create an even bigger divide between the 1% (which realistically is probably the 1% of the 1% of the 1%) and the rest of the peasants, and there are only 2 goals one should aspire to: 1. Protest and make sure robots never take jobs 2. Become insanely rich so you are the 1% of the 1% of the 1% (I'm working on the latter)
Health codes with require at least one person be there for cleanliness, fire safety, and CPR. Some place require 2 people after certain hours. That will be it
I’ve been exposed to so much robotics and automation the past five years in restaurants and grocery stores it’s looks silly seeing a place with a lot of workers now.
Won't take away jobs yet your main purpose of the robot is to save on labour cost which is usually the highest income statement item in a restaurant. By saving on labour you are essentially eliminating the labour market. Oh because "restaurants find struggle and people dont want to travel too far" is also an excuse. People who need a job and poor will travel farther to get a job. Raising minimum wages are costly to to the restuarant, yet another argument about reducing labour. All their key points are against labour and yet it says it doesn't impact labour force. It highly contradicts. Also its false advertising that robot makes fresher food......how fresh the food is depends on how long it stays in storage when the supplier delivers. Subway also has fresh food when you see the person behind the counter cutting cucumbers. Just because a robot is there, doesn't automatically means fresh. Its all bullshit advertising. Nothing but false and misleading advertising.
A robot will always be cheaper than a human. No matter what the pay rate. The guy that runs Carl Jr's, has been publically in favor of automation in restaurants for longer than the debate over the $15 minimum wage has existed. And in a big expensive city (New York, San Francisco, etc..) people are already getting close to $15 minimum wage. The issue never was minimum wage. It's always been about maximizing profits.
I like show she says no one touches the burger but you when it clearly shows the guy loading the machine with bread and The other guy cutting the tomatoes 😂
It's just a different equilibrium approaching. Nobody owes excuses, there is no catastrophe happening, and in that sense the excuses may be considered "lame", yes. Do you, still to this day, assign blame for unemployed horse drivers, to businessmen glorifying steam engines and automobiles?
i am not responsible to answer some one who glorifies irresponsibility like you. if you think that way then you are a low life and sell out. you are supporting the elimination of your future.
The whole notion that robots are not a short term threat to ‘taking your job’ as a food worker is ridiculous. Talk to executives in the call center business. AI is awesome but also the biggest threat to capitalism.
They will absolutely take your jobs, the question is what will replace that work. As someone who worked in the service industry, I can tell you it’s by no means a fulfilling experience and I’m happy to cede that work to our future robot overlords. The real issue is policy dealing with labour markets and whether they lead to better or worse quality of life for the people displaced by automation.
Why are people freaking out about this? Every sector goes through this. It used to take 3-5 people to cut down and move a tree. Now it takes 1 person to do all that. Any kind of manufacturing assembly or even in a office environment technology impacts the number of employees. Airplanes needed a pilot, a copilot, a flight engineer and a what I think it was called a tracer. But now we’re closer to airplanes with no pilot.
In Japan, many years behind they have superior technology to prepare automated food, but this is an American company and located in San Francisco, and it's a startup, that's why there is a lot of attention but is not a big deal.
