ROBOTECH: A Retrospective & Games Review

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A complete history of Robotech with additional coverage on Macross, the various entertainment mediums, and a special focus on the recent rise of Robotech-themed board games.
This was intended to be my swan song for The Dice Tower. I had committed myself to make a full-length retrospective of Robotech which covered the original Japanese cartoons, the legal controversies, and the various toys, comics, and games.
CONTENTS
1:23 Introduction
3:10 1983: The Lead Up
4:50 1984-1985: The Series
8:02 The Original Cartoons
10:21 The Story of Robotech
12:40 Analyzing Story
16:14 The Dawn of Merchandise
16:51 Robotech: The Movie & The Sentinels
18:08 1986: The First Games
19:19 The Collapse of the Franchise
21:03 1987: Life Support (Comic, Games, and Novels) & the rise of Streamline
24:36 Meanwhile in Japan: Legal issues & the return of Macross
28:44 1996: More Comics, More Legal Issues, & the Beginning of Imported Anime
29:53 1997-1998: Failed Projects
31:07 2000: The First Robotech Video Game
31:43 Macross Zero
32:14 2002: Wildstorm & the First Tabletop Game
33:06 2004: The Last Robotech Video Game and the Emergence of Shadow Chronicles
36:14 2008: Macross Frontier
36:51 2010: R.I.P.
37:27 2013: The Short-Lived Return of Robotech and that infamous Kickstarter.
41:10 Robotech RPG Tactics (an actual review)
48:38 2014: Another Failure
49:06 2016: Macross Delta
49:38 2017 Macross Video Games & Titan Comics
51:32 2018: Robotech Board Games (Finally!)
51:56 Robotech Force of Arms (Game Review)
53:50 Robotech Crisis Point (Game Review)
55:53 Robotech Invid Invasion (Preview)
56:57 Robotech Ace Pilot (Game Review)
57:50 Robotech Cyclone Run (Game Review)
59:06 Robotech Brace For Impact (Game Review)
1:03:00 Robotech Attack on the SDF-1 (Game Review)
1:08:10 Macross Board Games (or lack thereof)
1:08:57 Final Thoughts.
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@martinouellette9672 3 года назад

Thank you for citing Protoculture Addicts in your vid. As I worked on it for nearly 15 years (as it's main writer, reviewer, sometimes Editor-in-Chief, etc.), I was wondering if anyone had noticed our magazine at all. We published over 100 issues and tried our best to give the fans what they needed. But the internet was not very nice with paper magazines, so... But I had fun, made a good (if frugal! lol) living out of Anime and I did get to meet ''Uncle Carl'' a few times (and a LOT of other great people too!). He was a nice guy and a great storyteller! I was a kid back then and those were the days...

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

Dude, I think I remember you. I owned about a half-dozen issues of Protoculture Addicts and the first three or four issues of Mecha Press (when they were oversized and awesome). I remember all that PA did back then. It made an impact. It's cool that through this video, I get to meet the likes of you and William Chow, who I reconnected with a few weeks ago.

@martinouellette9672 3 года назад

@@SlipstreamFirst Yeah, I was also Mecha Press's main writer (Geez, I must sound so fulll of myself... Lol). It was a magazine me and a few of my friends thought about around pizza and a few beers. Me (I'm the big, smiling idiot holding the model box in the intro photos) , Pierre, Étienne, Dominique and a few others... Looking through the newest Hobby Japan and the Gundam Sentinel Mook, we told ourselves ''Hey! We can do that! Let's try!'' I was a pretty good English writer (for a French Québecois in those days!), Pierre was one of the best graphic designers around, Étienne knew a lot about sci-fi, Dom was a modeler (and so was I...). So we decided to start a magazine. Just like that! A few kids from Québec, Canada, taking on Hobby Japan and Model Graphics! We did our best. I hope you enjoyed! Man, that was over 30 years ago.

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

@@martinouellette9672 Loved them. My only regret is that decades later, I no longer possess any of those issues. Damn shame. It was a real golden age. I remember your amazing review for Patlabor 2 and that was the time of Macross Pluss as well. Memories...

@juststatedtheobvious9633 3 года назад

@Martin Ouellette Thank you for Protoculture Addicts. Living in a small Pennsylvania town, I only ever saw one issue for sale, but for a brief time it was the most treasured part of my library. There was nothing else like it. My fundamentalist family forbade me from watching anything else that touched on the adult themes Robotech tackled. Love between cultures. War being horrifying instead of a chance for glory. Non-binary gender identities. And so much more. And reading your work? Knowing other people understood this show, and wanted to explore all it offered? It let me feel like part of a larger community, at a time when I was struggling to make sense of my own identity. Thank you.

@connorwaltman4966 2 года назад

Did you hear that the Macross sequels (I.e. Macross 7, Macross Frontier and Macross Delta) are getting Blu-ray releases?

@legendsofthebravebard 3 года назад

Carl Macek appreciation post.

@BonusEggs4Sale 3 месяца назад

RIP

@bee-beargaming 3 года назад

I really wish Robotech would comeback.

@nathanschultz5538 3 года назад

Thank you, excellent video. There was a transformable Cyclone motorcycle model kit, sold as Cy-kill from Go-Bots, back in 1985. I took great care when assembling and painting it. It was SUPER fragile, I only kept the rider and buckler/swords.

@segadriven 3 года назад

This is an insanely well-researched video and I had a blast learning about the franchise because it's always confused me. Big laughs at the mic drop when you pulled out the tabletop RPG XD Also kinda surprised you didn't mention the Robotech game on GBA

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

Nobody's perfect. :)

@segadriven 3 года назад

@@SlipstreamFirst it's an awful lot of stuff to cover in one video, for sure

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

@@segadriven Which is why you hear my tone change as I record and add more content. :P

@BreakinMIk 4 года назад

This is an amazing project Chris. You put in so much passion and time into this retrospective / review. I've always enjoyed your kind of board game reviews released this way. Keep up the good work.

@crappyartchannel5348 2 года назад

About to nab Robotech: Battlecry on Monday gonna be a nostalgia trip

@KuroiNaito2007 3 года назад

Thanks for the tres helpful index...Good to see quality content I don't have to wade through to try to find what I'm interested in.

@adrianmunoz7646 3 года назад

Damn. I would love to see a prequel of the Masters obliterating the invid homeworld and taking the flower of life. Like the way the invid did to Tirol in the Sentinels

@hrgwea Год назад

25:41 I don't know what happened in the US, but in other parts of the world, Robotech was far from forgotten. In latin america Robotech aired multiple times throughout the 80s and 90s and on each rerun there was the associated merchandising accompanying the series. No other cartoon from the 80s endured for so long.

@xxianxx0 3 года назад

I love the editing on the video. Be proud at a job well done.

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

Thank you! It took a long time. :)

@connorwaltman4966 3 года назад

Did you hear about the Macross/Robotech deal a couple of weeks ago?

@jamiemartinson100 3 года назад

Thanks for the video. After the Palladium going nuclear I ended up dumping it and about every RT product out of my life. I just wanted to put an end to that chapter in my life once and for all. 6 some years later, its creeping back in. Even if it ends up being a home brewed game. I've started working on a New Gen tabletop game. It will have a co-op survival horror option or full war game option. Since I 3D model and have my own printer developing the physical stuff will be easy. Writing the rules down and play testing will be the hard part. Thanks again for the video , it leads me to believe a tabletop game is sorely needed.

@jwb932 5 месяцев назад

I like the Jack McKinney 1980s books, but I really enjoyed the Robotech: The Macross Saga (comic) books that were released in 2003. They only did four of them, leaving the story unfinished, but I love bringing them with me when I travel and need some light reading.

@asowle 3 года назад

Wonderful video and the detail in talking about robotech tactics.. I have a core box and extras in the loft.. hate to think how many figures will not be made or played... I built about 6 figures... dropped one on the carpet and watched hours of work break into many pieces...

@mikemalley1909 3 года назад

I was a backer of RPG Tactics. I wish they had just gone with cardboard standees. The MiniTech miniatures are cool, but the price of a force adds up quick.

@josegodoy8461 4 года назад

Oh man, that music!!! So good.

@JustAPrayer 2 года назад

Wow, this was fascinating. I remember watching a little bit of the original Robotech as a kid and always meant to eventually rewatch it as an adult. But man oh man, I never knew how confusing the line actually was, it’s very daunting.

@eldritchmorgasm4018 3 года назад

Very good video, well done! 👍🏻 Like the intro, especialy the music, where's that from? About the animated show(s), I think they should remake the very first show + Zero & Plus, like "Space Battleship Yamato", which is & looks pretty sweet, and reboot everything after that, for a new worldwide audience, but also keep the original timeline as a 2nd option (like "Star Wars EU"). Now that Harmony Gold has opened up a bit, they & Japan can go full steam ahead with about everything, I guess...

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

It is an original piece made for a book I publish called Amethyst.

@eldritchmorgasm4018 3 года назад

@@SlipstreamFirst Post-Apocalypse & Dragons!? Music for a Kickstarter-Trailer or something like that?

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

@@eldritchmorgasm4018 Yes, to all of those. It is also part of a larger soundtrack you can find here: www.amazon.com/Amethyst-Official-Soundtrack-Bilian/dp/B07CK1BR4S

@daniellimas7446 2 года назад

It would have been nice to see zedtrony vs invid. Awesome fight.

@brockman562 3 года назад

my fave cartoon/animation as a kid.I had so many of those toys. I feel stupid not for selling them. they're not collectables and worth something now.

@garyalbertluna7309 3 года назад

If Robotech were to be made a movie it would have to be rated R all in comparison to when it was syndicated on television 📺.

@hrgwea Год назад

By doing that Sony would risk financial failure. PG-13 is the most they could do.

@orinanime 8 месяцев назад

Why would it need to be rated R?

@drozwalker9 9 месяцев назад

Exceelent deep dive! I have been hopeful for Robotech to make a strong comeback.

@warrblade 4 года назад

HAHA! I was waiting for you to say "Patent Trolls!" that could be Harmony Gold's title for their retrospective! "PATENT TROLLS: The sad, sad ballad of Harmony Gold"

@RedDragonM1 3 года назад

My take on this: I have the Robotech RPG books....and they are good but VERY flawed. Many spaceships, mecha, and such are either too big, too small, too powerful, etc. And there was even stuff made up in there that was extremely innacuratte. . Later, Palladium got the rights to Robotech back, and came out with a new more streamlined, with better rules. It tackled Macross, Robotech Masters, New Generation, and The Shadow Chronicles. As well as some expanded ideas like the REF's time in space, and the invid's genisis pits. Again...there were flaws. Many of the characters weren't listed as OPCs or NPCs, so you had to dig out the older books for that....same with many space ships.

@TSDT 4 месяца назад

I know you were focusing on official materials, but shame you didn't give a shoutout to the Argentinian Project Valkyrie that was shamefully slapped with a C&D by Harmony Gold before it could be fully released. It is pretty much what any RT fan wishes for in a live action adaptation, even having a cheeky nod to the awful Robotech movie. Great video despite the truncated ending. I also have a stronger passion for Robotech than I ever managed to for Macross and this was a great love letter to it.

@vhs_legacy 2 года назад

Loved this

@RedDragonM1 Год назад

Oh, and one more thing: I wanted to make a Robotech RPG group...but it didn't work out. Anyway, I was working on rpg campaigns that continued the story from "Shadow Chroniles" like how The Haydenites may forseen the Robotech wars for centuries, and chose this time to strike, because they are convinced that humankind will destroy all known life in the galaxy till there's nothing left....or how a lost Zentradi fleet is found....stuff like that.

@ThomasMusings 4 года назад

WELL DONE.

@thedon1570 2 года назад

Good job sir!

@junethefox5834 3 года назад

It could be because I still haven't watched the original versions of Southern Cross and Mospeada, but I feel the way they were put into the saga was done decently enough. Not perfect of course, but just fine.

@AnimeJason2011 Год назад

Your retrospective on Robotech and everything relating to Macross is well documented. However, there are a couple of things you left out. First off, Robotech Battlecry wasn't the first true Robotech game to be released. Long ago, at the height of the Nintendo 64's popularity, GameTek were planning to create and release Robotech: Crystal Dreams. Unfortunately, the game was cancelled before its release, probably due to very same legal mumbo-jumbo that prevented any Robotech and/or Macross related from being used or released. Speaking of which, in 2006, ADV Films at the time released the original Macross on DVD, complete with an English dub, with Mari Iijima, who voiced Lynn Minmay in the Japanese version, reprising her role but in English. The DVD set itself has been out of print and no one will ever redistributed them because of a certain voice actor who I will not utter his name for personal reasons and the aforementioned legal nonsense straight from Harmony Gold themselves. Other than that, I have the upmost respect for both Robotech and Macross. Perhaps one day, I will have one of those Valkyrie/Veritech fighters in my collection. Keep up the good work. BTW, aside from those strenuous escort missions and trying to protect your comrades in some missions, Robotech Battlecry is an awesome game. And I hold it in the highest regard, especially for the sake of nostalgia. 😉

@eloyduran8866 7 месяцев назад

Also the Macross Stand-Up Arcade game was based off the “Do You Remember Love” condensed story. Played it, spend $20 in quarters to finish it in 1hr+45mins, beat it, Top 4. Loved it.

@DennisTamayo Год назад

23:06 Streamline Pictures was founded with animation historian Jerry Beck.

@onewingedangelsephiroth1561 2 года назад

This video ends in mid sentence. I think that there's 5 seconds missing at the end.

@nicholashoskins8266 3 года назад

19:00 so...i found a complete collection of rpg books of this and 2e in a garage sale and was wondering how to convert the system in general since i dont know how to do that. You mentioned mekton but theres 4 different corebooks from what i can see. Any suggestions on which core book to go for first? Was wanting to convert the system into a battletech setup for a fanfic i was writing; but i have no clue how to convert systems. Please reply if anyone can advise me. And if no one does then i understand. Sorry for the trouble.

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

I would employ Mekton Zeta and Zeta Plus. Though I will admit I just converted those systems to 5E with Ultramodern5

@nicholashoskins8266 3 года назад

@@SlipstreamFirst thanks for that. Now some things should be easier. Whats ultramodern by the way?

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

@@nicholashoskins8266 Ultramodern5, one of the many RPG books I publish. :)

@nicholashoskins8266 3 года назад

@@SlipstreamFirst sorry for the late reply. I bought ultramodern from drive thru and i have to admit i have no idea on how to convert a system to be honest. Is the coversion tips in the redux? If so where so i can start working on it. If not and you can't post it here on youtube...then im sorry for bothering you.

@michaelconnor1542 Год назад

V-Max, R Talsorian Games anime magazine, short lived but great, made write ups for the mecha featured in Macross Plus for Mekton Zeta.

@thewadz5878 3 года назад

I am have taken interest into reading newer Robotech comics, which ones would you suggest I check out?

@perrionhurd7509 2 года назад

Macross Plus is still solid!

@lexington476 3 года назад

1:13:29 where is this video from with Roy Fokker coming back as a ghost image?

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

That, and any other unrecognizable Macross footage, is from a variety of pachinko machines.

@theofficerfactory2625 Год назад

@@SlipstreamFirst That and the 25th anniversary blu-ray which had selected scenes reanimated.

@orinanime 8 месяцев назад

This was a really great video. Entertaining and informative. BUT it cuts off at the end mid-sentence. What happened there?

@SlipstreamFirst 8 месяцев назад

You got RU-vid's copyright to thank for that

@orinanime 8 месяцев назад

@@SlipstreamFirst oh weird! That's unfortunate. My condolences. I'd love to know what got cut off, and just how much

@bullit199 3 года назад

Great in depth video. However, it ends abruptly. Check your edit/render to see if it's on your end or RU-vid. Cheers.

@SlipstreamFirst 3 года назад

Yeah, that was RU-vid Copyright cutting the end of my video off because of a claim.

@hrgwea Год назад

@@SlipstreamFirst 🎶They will win....🎵

@gojidoh 2 года назад

Macross 7's GREAT All my Bros LOVE Macross 7

@theofficerfactory2625 Год назад

With the attack on SDF-1, those token icons could be replaced with the kids logic minis. Just saying.

@scottmackensen8690 3 года назад

You didn't actually put together the RPG Tactics minis did you.... Oh, no. OH NO! I own this game, I wanted to play this game. My brother agreed to help me assemble and paint these things. We got through the battlepods, but the veritechs.... dear god the veritechs! So many pieces. At this point it would be faster to 3d model them and print them rather than go through that.

@joehendrson3815 3 года назад

I WOULD LOVE TO NEW VIDEO GAMES FOR PS 4 /5 WITH THE TECH A NEW GAME WOULD BE AWSOME

@priest0701 3 года назад

April 21, 2021 Macross and Harmony Gold have come to a legle compromise and have made up, It would be cool if Harmony Gold goes away though......

@michaelconnor1542 Год назад

I can't watch Macross past Plus. As for Robotech, I am a novelization purist. Outside the Macross Saga, the novels are best for enjoying the series.

@juststatedtheobvious9633 3 года назад

I want to ignore the Gameboy Advance game too, but c'mon, if we have to suffer, you have to suffer. Especially since it's just been released for Switch.

@Onewingerdraven 5 месяцев назад

The only good things coming from Robotech are the soundtracks from the underrated Ulpio Minucci

@Warrka4 10 месяцев назад

I don’t care what anyone says. The Macross Saga was amazing

@TVOR 4 года назад

Macross 7 was actually well liked and did well in Japan. It spawned an OVA series and a recap movie recently. The music (which rocks) was super successful and spawned too many to list albums. The bad rep it gets is from Western audiences, mostly spread from the 10 people who got a hold of the fansub or raw. In my experience the hate mostly comes from hard core Robotech fans who don't realize Macross has a different tone from Macross. Robotech's dub really emphasizes the military aspect which US audiences like instead of Macross' more typical anime "fun" feeling. Macross Plus on the other was better received to western audiences than to Japanese audiences.

@PrinceGastronome 4 года назад

That's not being refuted as this an opinion piece. Having seen Macross 7, I can say that it's an acquired taste. Controlling a mech with a guitar...yeah, it is insanely goofy.

@sidearmsalpha 3 года назад

@@PrinceGastronome Yeah, the huge emphasis on Basara and his music really brings it down for me. In SDF Macross/DYRL?, it made sense that an idol's music could affect an alien race but you didn't see Valkyries with sound systems. Even Plus and Zero found a good way to incorporate music into the story. I tried to watch Frontier, but the music just wasn't my thing. I like the Valkyrie designs for both Frontier and Delta but the huge emphasis on idol singers just kills the story for me.

@hrgwea Год назад

The future of the Macross franchise was ruined for the western world the day they decided to change the "cultural shock" concept into a "magical sound energy" concept. The former is a genius and believable concept whereas the latter is just silly nonsense. It's understandable that under some cultural idiosyncrasys the latter concept is well received (or at least not rejected), but for western audiences it just doesn't work.

@jldp24 2 месяца назад

Macross with thr english voice actors and Ulpio Minucci score will forever be legendary. This clip proves..there is no such thing as Robotech..the concept failed..forever

@attackofthecopyrightbots 3 года назад

you're lucky no macross 7 fans watched this because i know they exist but hey we all know all macross fans hate robotech so thats why

@AlarienEvenstar 3 года назад

Just as a correction, Warhammer has not required eyeballing distance in many years. You may measure any distance at any time for any reason.

@madcat789 3 года назад

Remember, Robotech is great. Harmony Gold is not.

@dancingvalkyrie 3 года назад

1:10:57 "Better direction" *Laughs in superior Macross sequels, yes even 7*

@manoflemancha2407 3 года назад

I read all the books. I consider that the only cannon

@rizkaarifiandi5670 3 года назад

Macross 7 is actually quite popular in Japan, spanning multiple movies and OVAs, manga and Fire Bomber even releasing few music CDs I guess only viewers in North America who didnt liked it (?)

@ryeb 3 года назад

no one in north america saw it.

@hrgwea Год назад

In Latin America, Macross 7 is mostly considered to be a Sailormoon-like bastardization of the Macross concept. Basically garbage.

@kronosjapan 3 года назад

Basically, F The Smurfs.

@brettpetersen1671 4 года назад

I am sorry but you have way oversold Robotech Attack on the SDF-1, I am glad you like it but it is not that great of a game. The rule book alone defeated me on a high level. All of the modern Robotech games have been a disappointment, I agree the Ace Pilot is fun and it is the only one I have kept out of all the games besides the new RPG.

@mikemalley1909 3 года назад

I really wish companies would blind play-test rule books. It's frankly weird that they don't. Clarifications have been posted to BGG, but shouldn't be necessary.

@brettpetersen1671 3 года назад

I 100% agree. I am almost done with Kickstarter because of this problem. Designers making a game in a vacuum are always surprised when the rest of the world doesn’t understand the game as clearly as they do. I can always tell by the BGG questions and responses if a game was not blind play tested.

@noneofyourbusiness4616 3 года назад

Doesn't make sense to me to give Carl Navel more credit for creative influence in animation than the people who actually made Macross, without which whom he would have had nothing. Beyond that, I'd say Go Nagai was more influential, given he created the first piloted mechs.