Rock Star Magic Player Rates Yu-Gi-Oh Cards | Staple or Stinker 

Common Geh W

And there was a 2nd time that relay soul was used, in a live duel with the voice actors for Yugi and Astral in 2014 at a NAWCS

He also said it’s good because it’s a trap so he was right for the wrong reasons.

Then by the power of anime plot armor, YuGi proceeded to get a massive W

Pharao: "I played the Thiefshipping card! With it I can do all manners of gamebreaking nonsense with the only condition being that I canonize thief shipping. So it's canon now. Just look at them trying to hold hands!"

That's the thing though. It was a staple for a long while but now? It's a stinker

@@jayharv285 It just feels like the format more or less ignores that the cards aren't necessarily bad cards but, simply don't fit in the majority of tournament decks.

@@TGPDrunknHick that's why they're a stinker. It's a good card in usual cases. But for most formats it isn't very good

Same for E-Con, definitely a stinker nowadays??

@@jayharv285 That's not what people usually mean by "stinker" though. Yugioh is filled with cards that have literally never been playable, those are stinkers. The point of the video is supposed to be non-players trying to use their knowledge of other games to guess what's important in a game they don't play, not randomly guessing what's been power crept out of the current meta, that's a coin flip.

I was thinking the same thing. At the moment enemy controller is not a staple. I haven't played Yugioh in a few months, so I thought enemy controller made a comeback.

Just introduce them to Nirvana High Paladin.

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​@@sorbet6465ah yes, the cause of the climate apocalypse

Arch fiend eccentrick

I was running econ in karakuri for the longest time until i switched to Shrink and Lance

The better way to go about it is to just not pick borderline cards in the first place. If a card was amazing 10-15 years ago, but hasn't been remotely good for the past dozen formats, or if it's an important card for whatever lower-tier/rogue decks can run it at all, then there isn't a clear answer either way and so doesn't belong on the show.

Yeah my inirial reaction to E-Con was yeah its a fine card but we just have better options aka triple tac talents or even change of heart tbh. So i would probably never (or very rarely) run this in a deck.

I think that's part of the fun of these videos, they do similar things when they do their MTG quizzes.

The fun part is that the answer is hard to get for the contestant, who knows little to nothing about the game, but obvious to anyone who plays the game. If there is no "right" answer in the first place, that most any player would readily agree with, then the contestant didn't cleverly figure it out or comically misunderstand the card, they just won/lost a coin flip against the arbitrary decision made by whoever prepared the answers. Some viewers might also be in the same boat as the contestant, and so can play along with them, but that only works if they know just as little about the game in question. That's its own sort of fun, but is still a better experience if they are playing with "fair" questions.

I somewhat expected there to be a card that hit everybody for 10k damage. Being unable to die to damage even for a moment would be a win condition in a bunch of different card games. Using it for value is a foolish idea but I was expecting something dealing arbitrary amounts of damage to everybody in one of these books you call cards. PS1: I know that a two card win condition is not as unusual in Yu Gi Oh compared to other games and the trap not being in any tribe makes it rough to find but I did not expect it to be entirely dead. PS2: What happened to flip effects? In my day the Fossil would have been templated as a flip.

​@@xXMGVXxfirst off this 10k damage thing isn't a card Second flip monsters still get printed, but fossil dyna isn't one which means it can't be searched by certain subterror/tindangle cards.

​@@johnnickfanaccount3492 1 D.D. Dynamite would like to have a word with you. And that one has been power crept for 20 years. 2 My main critic is that it is just making things complicated for no good reason. I have seen cards searching for things described over three lines. Why did the readability of the dinosaur have to suffer for other cards not specifying their targets correctly? Had this beef with the flip tag on monsters since Guardian Sphinx. And Guardian sphinx at least had some functional differences to a regular flip monster while the dino really is just a flip monster without the tag.

@@xXMGVXx dd dynamight? That card is garbage and has never seen play in a real format 2. It really isn't a big deal. It just makes it so he can't be searched by like spirit of the fall wind because he isn't a flip. "When this card is flipped face up" vs "FLIP" mean the exact same thing and anyone can see that

Yeah I was thinking that. It’s definitely not a “staple” especially not in the current meta but calling it a stinker is a stretch for sure as It has been a key card in several stun strategies over the years. It’s a card that is far from a staple but has a definite home in the strategies that want it and it’s arguably the best at what it does despite it being a super niche card. Weird include imo

Not really? Impermanence, Droplets, Chalice, Book of Moon, Raigeki, and so on... The outs to it are numerous. It isn't 'over' when Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo hits the field. Some of these outs are easily fit into most decks even without siding.

It is neither a stinker nor a staple. It is a good card in a stun strategy, but not generically good. Bad inclusion.

Dyna isn't good by itself, it's only good with support as it's low stats for a normal summon means that any deck with a 1300 normal summon can just clear this thing unless you can increase it's stats or give it protection or cover it with powerful trap cards. Also if it's face-down, it's probably being removed before the battle phase, making that part of the card straight cope at most. And this cards does literally nothing against Floowandereeze and dies to any spell/trap based removal. Which makes it not a staple, because the card isn't good by itself

With the easy drop level, it will rarely survive the turn. The opponent would have to hit below 1300 for it to affect the player of the card. I just don't know if the effect lasts beyond the turn. It says it could be permanent.

And Stun/Anti-Meta/Anti-Fun decks aren't good by definition. The one stall/stun deck that managed to do anything in recent memory was Mystic Mine Stall, which mustn't summon monsters to work properly

It's only playable in MD where it's best of 1

This is probably playable in a Ninja deck as it can easily flip cards up and down. You could just have it face up when needing a floodgate or removal, then flipping it face down when you need to summon.

@@newfaces_v2 Say that to Master Duel players who always surrendered or rage quit because i prevented them from activating monster effects with Inspector Boarder and they couldn't Special Summon with my Fossil Dyna equipped with Moon Mirror Shield,lol

​@@WaifuMaster17You realize Master Duel isn't the tcg right? Like we play best of 3s here in real life yugioh.

They do it pretty often. Although I think the Magic channel does it a lot more.

You would think that but Crim is actually a horrible person. He is the kind of guy who would play Mystic Mine Burn and have the fun of is life ^^ (please don't taken this serious)

Crim is a delightful guy, but his taste in magic decks is atrocious for sure! :D

Hehe, based on those comments I get the feeling if he were to pick up the game he'd be playing Kashtira right now with a rather wicked grin.

​@@CaptainMarvel4Ever You would be 100% correct : )

I would say it's more of a tech card than a staple

@@felicen93 so. the definition of a staple is splashable techs that can be used in a wide variety of decks. in that sense cards like droplet are also a tech.

also obligitory it was so good in duel links it's bounced around the limited list as limit 3,2,and 1 since about the games release in 2017

It's purely a tcg thing I've never seen that card in any ocg list or master duel

And that is because tcg players think it's so good to steal a monster to the point mind control is even limited

The equivalent card in Magic is the whole hand and it's still stone-cold unplayable.

@@Pseudoscorpion14 That's also because of the prevalence of cards like Thoughtseize, Duress, Dreams of Steel and Oil, etc. of varying qualities that let you look at the whole hand and mess with it in a meaningful way. All of these are probably better than Appointer of the Red Lotus even. On the other end of a MTG equivalent of The Inexperienced Spy there's Urza's Bauble, which lets you look at a random card in your opponent's hand. But that one is actually quite decent, because it's 0 mana and lets you draw a card at the start of your next turn.

@@Felixr2 the reason that card/gitaxian probe is good though is because we have a lot of cards that care about the size/card types of the graveyard/the existence of storm. I'm guessing yugioh probably has something similar though that cares about spells cast previously

if your deck can't OTK or prevent your opponent from playing the game then its a bad deck tho

Yes please, the format is too good to be limited by the guests' ability to travel for an in-person recording

A Collab with the dudes from game knights would be sick!!! Also post Malone to really put his card theory to the test 😂🤣

Yeah I have been binging these and creatures seem to confuse everyone in both games

Great point, MTG has such consistent and specific vocabulary for creature abilities, whereas relevant yugioh monsters warp/change the rules of the current game with their text and abilities

Eh keeping a card in hand consistently was tough for a lot of older combo decks, sanctum was usually better

Fossil Dyna is very good in a BO1 format such as Master Duel because it becomes very much you have to draw the out to it, as well as the out to the backrow the opponent likely has to support it. Enemy controller is just immense as you can use it to tribute monsters to dodge targeting effects such as veiler/imperm while getting your opponents monster back in return as well as remove locking cards such as Iblee/Gimmick Puppet from your side of the field.

@@superbr0ws015 just like fossil dyna can good on MD and bad on TCG, e-con is good on TCG and bad on MD

​@@superbr0ws015 I haven't seen Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo at all on Master Duel ladder... Saying it's very good is overestimating it. It is uncommon and the decks playing it aren't good in Master Duel either.

@@fajarwinmoneyecon only seems to be good in certain decks/scenarios in tcg havnt seen this popped up at all in ocg either, some people tunnel visioning extremely hard

I don't think that would even work, even when applying MTG rules logic. It doesn't give the 'when this monster leaves play, your opponent wins the duel' effect to the monster, it's created as a separate entity. Because this effect was *created* by an effect you activated, the 'you' will always refer to you, even if you no longer control the monster the effect refers to.

To make it work using MtG logic, you would have to 'donate' Relay Soul to your opponent instead of the monster. Why? Because the effect is not appended to said monster but rather a static effect created by Relay Soul itself. However, while I dont have much knowledge about ygo, I do know that some spells and traps stick on board after they activated but I dont think Relay Soul is one of them. Then in that case you need something that steal/swap spell controller as it was cast i.e. Perplexing Chimera -ish card which I dont think exist in ygo.

There are a lot of cards in magic with "you lose the game", "you win the game" and "player loses the game". Phage the Untouchable, Door to Nothingness, Maze's End, every card with "pact", Chance for Glory, Last Chance and a lot more.

​@@rovidelarosa And then there's also the "you cannot lose and your opponent cannot win" effect found on the likes of Platinum Angel.

Multi-player is the reasoning for the different wordings. Your opponent wins wouldn't work in a multi-player format for example.

I never expected E.Con to be a problem! - Adam

@@CardmarketYGO I was also slightly surprised by its rating at first because I don't follow the game closely atm, but then I took 10 minutes to look up recent tournament decks and yeah, it sure gets played. Pachy is a fan-favourite and the face of stun for a long time so it makes sense people would disagree with that one. I think comments are taking the title "Staple or Stinker" way too literally. For me it's just "is this good or bad?" or simply rating cards. I admire your patience, guys.

flipping it face down won’t count as leaving the field because it is still on field so no dice the no dmg part of the effect also only applies when the monster is face up too which when it face down will turn this effect off

I understand why you would think this, but honestly, if you want to spend a card to summon any one maindeck monster, there's many ways to do so without risking losing, and if you're trying to avoid all damage, well you only usually need one more turn to win or your opponent likely will, so Waboku would do the job way better, since it will also protect your monsters from battle that turn, and not give you a chance to lose to any removal. I appreciate you trying to make it good though, we always need people like you.

Red lotus was absolutely a side deck staple, if you flip it going first the game is decided from that point because you have 100% knowledge of the gamestate

@@Shemegory A card being very strong in some side decks does not qualify it the label: "Staple". - Only for going first so typically at most 1 game every match can it be in your deck - It is only good when you draw it in opening hand, you don't want to see it on turn 3. - It is a non-engine, harddraw trap that doesn't advance your own gamestate, for which there are alternatives that can hit specific meta harder. - There are only 15 sidedeck cards of which against most meta's you can side something more destructive. (and you don't want to overside as that will lead to brickhands). Don't get me wrong; The card is busted, but very specifically for siding going first in a deck that makes about 3-4 negates on the field consistently, or worse when smoke grenade was legal to go for 3+ discard.

@@lmr4403Damn I guess EEV and triple talents are stinkers since they're not in every side deck.

@@Shemegory Bruh, you should learn the definition of staple. Cards can be great without them being staples.

@@Shemegory And to be clear EEV is not a staple as only a few decks can use it. TTT is a staple.

E con is still seeing play in kashtira today. Fossil dyna hasn’t topped in over 5 years

It doesn't see play because the card isn't good. It requires unsearchable bad combos like Dyna+Moon Mirror to even function and even then still loses to removal. Even in Floo which had consistent access to a similar lock with the barrier statue still had to play protect the castle with Mega Raiza because 99% of normal summonable monsters out the floodgate.

enemy controller is good but not good enough, you go -1 to steal soemthing but more often then not its not even something you can make use of and even in the argument of using it for a link summon; you could’ve just use the monster you tribute for enemy controller for the link summon instead the best case scenario is to either use it in a final game winning push to remove the opponent’s crucial line of defense but at that point you already winning making it just a “win-more” card or to deprive the opponent of an immediate resource on their turn but they’ll just get it back in the end unless you have something that can utilize it in a way to remove it from the field even the battle position shift is also a niche effect because the opponent can still use the monster’s effects or as material to summon something else so most of the time if youre using such an effect you probably in a losing situation and only delaying the inevitable sure there will be some scenarios where this card is god but that can be said for practically every card

@@YukiFubuki. the card has literally been in topping Kash and Spright lists for the past several months. The card is insanely good especially in Kash as it also removes whatever nonsense the opponent puts on your board like iblee or a token.

​@YukiFubuki. Kashtira is notorious for being fairly vulnerable to the likes of Iblee or back when Mystic Mine was a thing Silent Wobby/D.D. guide which would neuter the decks ability to play. Enemy controller alleviates that problem. Also other decks especially the likes of Floowandereeze can use it as a way to dodge cards that are targeting their monsters with effects like veiler/imperm while getting an opponents,monster back In return.

​@@amethonys2798 every card can have their moments in the right scenario, just because its amazing in certain decks that cna make great use of it doesnt make it universal

Barrier statue of the everything but for rock decks. Terrifying. If Adamancipators weren't hit so hard on the banlist it would absolutely be running amok. No way it should have been called a stinker

It saw play in the last 6 months. Sur it's not in every deck but it's faaaaar from a stinker.

He might be if the new trap deck keeps on winning events! - Adam

No, the way Refpanel works is that it only works with effects that would affect the player themselves, and also doesn't interact with cost. So as an example, you could bounce the effect of something like Sparks and make your opponent take the damage (it targets the player to take 200LP) but you couldn't make the opponent banish 10 cards with Pot of Desires (cost isn't deflectable). In this case, nobody is being targeted. Even if it did, it only works with Spell cards, so the card wouldn't interact.

Reread Mystical Refpanel

doesnt work that way, soul relay needs to target the player for refpanel to work which it doesnt