I still cannot believe rockstar don't don't quickly call up battle eye and get the proton flag flipped. I get them not advertising a walk back, but going after valve seems like a bad idea. Steam is responsible for like 70% of rockstar's earnings. You would think they would be a higher priority.
Arm based Steam Phone is coming (in 5+ years) maybe? Portrait mode also coming to SteamOS, with a new area of Steam dedicated Android games and apps, perhaps?
I'm in Australia and have already bought the OG and OLED Steam Decks, but that's because they were grey imports. Will be cool to have the Deck officially sold and supporting Australia finally.
Yeah, got mine on kogan. Paid out the ass for it but don't regret it one bit. Going to pax this year and hopefully people are able to get it here. Just wishing they had a steam booth last year and that they sold it there too.
Even though Rockstar has said that people should contact Valve about their games running on the Steam Deck, everyone should simply continue to spam Rockstar about the issue so they know full well what their stupid decision making results are.
The proton for arm is confirmed to be for the deckard vr headset, which will likely be able to play flatscreen games on the go like the steam deck but with a huge screen.
Acer, giving up before they even started. As someone that worked on Acer laptops. Yeah I'm not surprised. I would describe their products as high margins for their build quality. I would expect them to have similar build qualities as a steam deck but at $1,000. Swear I'm not bitter 😂
That's the thing. If their competitive edge was we're going to be able to sell you a cheaper handheld than at least that's reasonable. But if you're telling me you're not gonna be innovative, you're not gonna be interesting, you're not gonna be particularly powerful, and you're not gonna win at price, then what is you doin bby?
I believe they have a domestic advantage here far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory far as supply goes. Id argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's. Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is. I feel the steamdeck was a scape goat here to some degree. Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others. A monitor example of this Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx Alienware aw3423dw They rarely reinvent the wheel. They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough for a volume discount. Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally nore than likely to gain notoriety. but they can't say that part, because than their failing to compete with asus. Soooo they blame the newcomer
I believe they have a domestic advantage here as far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory as far as supply goes. I'd argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's. Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is,I feel the steamdeck was a scapegoat here to some degree. Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others. A monitor example of this Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx Alienware aw3423dw They rarely reinvent the wheel, They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough units for a volume discount. Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally more than likely to gain notoriety, but they can't say that part, because they would be failing to compete with asus. Soooo they blame the newcomer, the one with an entombment lead and price advantage (30% cut and all that)
I've tried explaining things multiple times. RU-vid keeps deleting them... To simplify this quickly. The Steam deck is definitely a scapegoat and the real problem is the asus rog Ally, But they can't admit that.
I'm honestly pissed about the battleeye update. I have 2 GTA Online accounts and I would play one account on my steam deck while my cousin who does long distance trucking would come home every few weeks and would play with my alt on my main PC. Now I don't have a good way to play with him
Regarding the pricing advantages for Valve, something else to remember is that Valve only sells direct to consumer and doesn't have to give a middle man like Best Buy or other retailer a cut of the sales price. That's a pretty substantial advantage.
Bro, if I can have part of my Steam library on my phone, that would be a total win, even if my under-powered PoS couldn't run the games, the fact that phones can run our library is just a W for PC gaming.
I saw Waydroid and I'm like, "what???" Waydroid is a Linux app to make ARM games playable natively on Linux (on x86-64 processors) via libhoudini (better for Intel) or libndk (better for AMD) translation layers, not the other way around. And I'm not entirely sure ARM processors are capable enough to run x86-64 games via translation layer, with exceptions of a few indie games. To me it looks more like Steam wants the Steam Deck to natively support ARM games, which would allow them to woo mobile games and gamers away from Play Store, and into the Steam ecosystem.
@@archyatis its arm, but its not exactly the same general arm, it has a bunch of custom instructions, so no, probably wont work, or if it did, the performance would be trash because said custom instructions were made by apple to make their arm implementation be faster than others
best part about battle eye, sure we lost the deck, but i was SOOO HYPED to play GTAO again. GTAO has been riddled with hackers since GTAO was a thing. first time playing GTAO some dude gave me like 8 billion dollars. of which i just ran out of maybe last year or so ago. i honestly was so happy to play the game i reinstalled it. the first session was literally the same crap different day. if i joined 20 different sessions , guess what... you found multiple cheaters in each game. the best part was, they dont even have to grief you any more. they joined, crashed the session for everyone else. kicks you to first player mode and THAN it dont allow you into ANY MENU so you have to alt+f4 to get out. i want to love GTAO, i love the cars, the driving, the shooting. its just over all the funniest for what it is open world. my time playing was literally flying around and griefing the griefers, go after the dudes who only flew MK2's would literally camp right over them so the only focus was me. its so crappy they used battle eye as it turns out... its easy as all hell to bypass. and reporting don't do anything, it never had and never will. you have no idea how bad i want to play GTAO and just drive around doing NOTHING just driving and maybe helping people who need people to help them sell.
You broke the news to me about proton on ARM and I am SO HYPE. I dunno if you recall, but we were talking about this on the nerd nest podcast Livestream MONTHS ago. WE KNEW this was the next step.
Dude it feels like this opens up so many future possibilities. Like sure x64 to ARM is not great right now but if offers a path forward. Pretty exciting times!
Mobile games is the next Step logical step for SteamDeck. hopefully with Proton supporting ARM will allow Android games also to be installed on SteamDeck
@@chitan1362 running also Android games with be a huge benifit to the increase of adopting steamdeck and with that the Linux as a valuable option. and my guess it supporting Android games should be easier because Android at the end is a Linux
Proton for arm is huge because arm processors are way more efficient than x86. This could mean that future iterations of the steam deck will have significantly more battery life. If we want the handheld industry to go to the next level, then arm is undoubtedly the way to go. I don't think we should expect SD2 to be much better unless we ditch x86 or find newer, better alternatives to current lithium batteries
Proton on ARM has got me insanely stoked! This could be wayyyy bigger than we think it is. Deckard would be fantastic and I will probably jump Meta ship to there if it comes.
Thank you Valve. Even though it was a business strategy, the pricing of the deck makes other companies have to convince the consumer that their price point is worth the purchase.
I think Rockstar is taking GTA Online out of the Steam Deck because they intend to migrate it to GTA VI and get everything ready to release when the game is out. Since GTA VI probably won't run on the Deck they'd rather pretend that's a Valve problem than make their intentions clear.
Quite the week for Deck news, yeah? A few comments I'll toss in there: - No idea what Acer were thinking, just releasing a handheld because they have to? I'm not gonna say no to more competition in the PC handheld space, but if you're just gonna add another body, add nothing to set yourself apart, and hope to sell to some unlucky person that didn't do enough research, then why are you even throwing resources at this? Oh right, "because you have to". - Rockstar's PR move here has been nothing short of pure arrogance, just because they have the single most-lucrative gaming property there is. They just seem to show nothing but contempt for their PC crowd, but are happy to make their boatloads of money off them based on the success of GTA Online and the use of FiveM.
Sony and Konami really do love region locking, I mentioned Konami because they still won't release metal gear rising revengeance in my country because we weren't going the target market at launch despite releasing every other metal gear game since, even survive
Wait, wasn't it Valve who said the Steam Deck is superior to ARM handhelds because Windows emulation on ARM isn't feasible, or am I getting that mixed up?
I'm not sure if they said that but FWIW this doesn't look like it will replace the Steam Deck at all. It's more like an alternative and right now it appears to be targeted at head mounted displays
Things like that change as technology improves. I think if they did say that, it was probably true at the time, but x86 emulation on arm has had huge progress recently.
@@FanTheDeck You're right, but I can't help feeling excited about the possibility of a Steam Deck 2 with ARM SoC. Running indie games at 3-5W TDP would be amazing.
@@blisphul8084 True. Although traditionally, Valve takes the initiative on this sort of stuff, like with proton. In this case, they let Microsoft get their feet wet first with the new Windows on ARM devices.
Proton on ARM is crazy. I don't think it's going to be a phone, but maybe a more efficient future device. But I suppose the cheap (retro)handheld space like Retroid and Ambernic will gobble that up and hopefully succeed where ASUS and others failed. Also, the Hololive RP server was hilarious.
On the topic of the Steam Deck. Considering Valve are dependent on the Steam Store to make up for their losses from the Steam Deck, they have put very little effort on it's usability on SteamOS gaming mode. For close to a year, I couldn't even checkout when trying to buy a game because it kept spitting out errors, and issues with navigation still persisted the last time I checked.
This is honesty all the Saints Row reboots fault really... if Volition was still around making good games, Rockstar wouldn't be acting so high and mighty.
To make a big market need to do the work, what steam and other are doing, but Acer handheld was little to late with them in the handheld space, if it was 32GB or ram then 16GB then then would be something other then Asus Rog with more rams would been somthing.
I fear that Rockstar's move is going to set a precedent for other big companies to snub the Valve and Steam Deck. If a big company like Rockstar can do that, what's to stop other companies, big or small, from doing that. There were already hostilities toward the Steam Deck from many companies, and Rockstar is like Archduke Ferdinand getting shot to kick off a war.
I feel like Valve would definitely sell alot of steam decks here in Australia but alot of us already have imported Decks 🤣 this however is still exciting to see if valve do release them here in AUS, hopefully it means others won't have to buy them at insane prices like $900+
Steam Deck kicking of the category at such a low price point is actually not a good point at all... Why? Because they were not the first to offer this kind of device, not by a long shot. The price being low is a big part of the reason that it kicked off in the first place. If they had stayed on the 1000+$ territory that these devices were before valve changed it, yeah maybe it would have grown a bit more because some of us just love Valve and trust them more, but it would not have been anywhere close to this successful. And then the other manufacturers may not even have entered the market at all. It's not like the steam deck hardware was revolutionary (the Linux software kind of was but that's not the issue for these other manufacturers). China brands have had them for quite a while and established manufacturers had been looking at them for a while too. There was this Alienware prototype that we never saw... For some reason they just didn't see a market before and it's probably because their market research showed that at the price point that they wanted to sell those things, people were not interested enough to make it profitable. So either Valve didn't release the Steam Deck or they did it at a much higher price, in both cases we would have stayed in the previous situation where there was not enough interest. Or we have what did happen and now there is lots of interest in handhelds. I'd say there's probably still more interest in expensive handhelds now than there was before even though there are cheaper options. The formfactor has been made a lot more popular and more people are also now more willing to spend a lot of money on it. But what you can't do is just halfass a crappy product and sell it at a premium. Sorry Acer, you do actually need to put in some effort and come up with an enticing product.
He's not saying they have gave up on the device but just like the MSI claw the Acer handheld sounds dead on arrival in a sales point because of literally the bar the deck set on price. Plus this makes sense considering Acer sounds like they didn't want to make a handheld but had to. Which makes more sense to me because yeah they definitely didn't read the market and design a device it's like they just designed it and was like here ya go best of luck lol.
Astro Bot has been out for almost a month now so I suspect the Astro Bot Remaster is coming out any day now! 🤣😂 Also wow on that Acer news. What a thing to say, way to inspire consumers by telling everyone they don't really care and just put stuff out for the sake of it.
There is definitely a market for handhelds, PC handleds are relatively "new" (Nvidia started it, gpd and ayaneo were keeping it alive, steam brought it to its golden age) but none of these PC/laptop manufactures will ever do console let alone steamdeck, psp, or switch numbers because they all have one thing in common, they all sell at a major loss because they have exclusive/games and/or a digital store they take a cut off all game sells (like apple and Google with apps). Valve can afford to take a loss cause they'll make it back on the 30% Percent they make back on all game sales on their store front, and guess who just bought some games, a new steam deck owner or really any PC handheld owner, it's why steam they have so many sales. People buy more when their are deals vs none. Acer, Asus, Lenovo have to sell these devices and laptop prices or they won't make any money back, their income is purely from the hardware sale not games or software sales. I hope with all these new handheld it doesn't set the precedent for more store fronts.
So Acer admits it has nothing of value to add to the handheld market. Surprised pikachu that a company that sees RGB as innovation can't compete in a space with actual innovation.
honestly i am not suprised that Acer is giving up. My impression was allways that the Parts that Acer is using in their builds were mostly on the cheaper side but thats my experience from probably 10+ years ago.. I never had the impression that they would compete with brands like Asus when it comes to Quality but that might be subjective.
Dutch popular news site Tweakers had benchmarks of the Nitro thing. (In line with expectations) the 8845hs didn't offer anything interesting. And that was the own unique thing. Nobody (here at least) thinks of 'gaming' and 'Acer'. Acer is a budget brand. Lenovo Legion and Asus are way more popular and known here.
4:14 IMO the ROG Ally X is the king of the hill right now. The Steam Deck has a lot going for it. But in game, the ROG Ally X performs slightly better and is compatible with my entire library. I still play my OG Steam Deck quite a bit, but the hardware on the newer Ally X is noticeable snappier. Steam Deck 2 will probably obliterate the competition, but for now they’re close.
If Steam make their Proton better than box64 it will be massive upgrade to already insanely good PC emulation scene. Box64 already can run a lot of games like GTA 5 or Prey (2017) in at least 30fps without any problems (except the fact that battery dies in a hour) on my Poco F5 Pro, but sadly cant run Steam without downgrading due to new unoptimized UI and have fatal problems with Unity games.
This work still seems like it's not ready for release and as of right now it seems targeted primarily at head mounted displays. I think that there will be some beneficial side effects but it's honestly it's too soon to say.
I would love it if steam deck supported VR I tried to download steam VR and connect my oculus quest 2 to it but it said it was not supported, but I did see a RU-vid video that said I could use virtual desktop on the quest and then download something on the steam deck and then use it. I’m not sure if it’s just a big screen on the VR headset or if it’s actual VR but also I have Xbox game pass ultimate and Xbox just added a Xbox app to the VR headset so you can play the games through the cloud on it and it put you in a big theater with a massive screen there and I’ve been playing that that’s pretty fun but then I updated my oculus quest 2 headset and the virtual window doesn’t get as big anymore. It looks like my physical TV that I play my Xbox on. I think the one I play my Xbox on is 55 inches but the one inside the VR I wish there was a way to make it bigger like 80 inches or 100 if there is such a thing
What part of “Steam Deck does not support BattleEye for GTA V” is twisting words? The part where they claim Steam Deck is the issue instead of phrasing it more accurately that they don’t support Steam Deck, sure. The part where they specifically call out this is only for BattleEye on GTA V is actually good and intentional wording. This is not the only BattleEye game to not support SD. It’s clearly a game by game basis.
