Regarding dual subject interviews -- Why are you not getting phasing with the Rode? In both cases you have: two omnidirectional lavs, one per interview subject. What am I missing?
Since the Tascam's record onto 2 sperate SD cards, you'll never be able to perfectly sync up the audio. It will always sound off and there will be phasing issues... With the Rode, on the other hand, both tracks getting recording onto 1 SD card on a Zoom will not have issues since it is the a multi track
@@MikeXGorman Thanks for the reply! Even if you clap your hands or something, you won't be able to sync them well enough? I'm only bugging you on this one because it's precisely the setup I was considering doing for mobile interviews. Of course if using a Zoom you could just have your mics going directly into that, no need for the transponder.
@@dxsaigon Yeah - you put both of the tascam lavs into the Zoom, you'll be fine. But yeah, even if you were to sync them perfectly, they'd still be off ... I think im going to try to make a video about this in the next couple weeks
@@MikeXGorman I hear what you're saying regarding syncing 2 separate files, however, with a 48khz sampling rate, the maximum discrepancy would be about 10 microseconds. Less if you use a 96khz sample rate. Not enough to hear. Plus, you can always add a delay to the signal to bring them more into sync, as long as the plugin you use can handle values that small.
@@dxsaigon YOu definitely want to be careful when recording multiple sound sources into two DIFFERENT recording devices. I mean, you CAN do it, but you might need to cut out the off-mic subject when you sync up the two VT's. That way, you never have both sources mixing at the same time... therefore no phasing. It adds work, for sure. The best solution will ALWAYS be to record both mics into the same recorder. (But always record them on different channels... never mix them to the same recording channel) You can also get phasing if both mics are quite some distance apart, simply due to the doppler effect causing problems with both audio streams.
there both similar in size price and sound that's the point. yes it's an odd comparison but you might use the rode as a belt pack if you don't like he prices of the other belt packs.
Mike, Could you use both together for the best of both worlds? Connecting the Tascam's headphone out to the Rode's transmitter for remote monitoring. I think you have discovered a great combination ?
Thanks for this comparison! One thing you did not mention which made me opt for the Tascam is that the Røde really doesn't handle loud sounds. I need to record myself singing and several videos showed that the Røde clips if you 'shout' at it, no matter what lav you connect to it. So yeah for me personally the Tascam was a no brainer, since in all videos I watched it didn't clip at all. But I totally get the benefits that the Røde brings.
Good, fair comparison. My DR-10L's have NEVER let me down but the ability to monitor with the Rode Go and the battery life it provides are definite positives with a longer interview setting.
damn, I feel like I'm early here, less than 1k subs? Good video man, just like the pros lol... I just got 2 of those Tascams, I really like them. Using them in a wedding for the first time this weekend.
I have been using 2 Tascams for weddings since they came out. I love them. I’m still thinking about getting the Rode for my safety camera in the back of the church. Also thinking about putting it on the best man, dad for the toasts. Not sure how I would clip the the maid of honor? I’m tired of relying on the DJ for audio
Certainly, don't blame you there.. Not being in control of audio is rough... Just have to be careful the Rode Frequency isn't interfering with the DJ's wireless system
@0:42 why did you place the Tascam DR-10L mic pointed down instead of up? @0:51 when you switch to the Tascam audio it sounds significantly quieter. Levels adjusted???
AO&JO Photography phasing issues occur when you mic the same audio source at different distances and mix them together. What can occur, is that the audio sine waves work against one another and boost and cut different frequencies. This is called comb filtering and it is usually unwanted. Phase issues basically cause unwanted eq filters.
PROTOMAN247 Mike seems to address another phasing issue with separate bad (unprecise) written files when he only has problem with Tascam??? The phasing issue your explaining wouldn’t magically solve itself just by using two set of Rodes instead of two set of Tascams (both with same lavs at the same distance and scenario). His illustration though IS fitting to what your talking about. Well I guess I have to watch his next video.
I tried using the Rode Go at a wedding and it failed miserably. I was never more than 30 feet away and the audio was cutting in and out (fortunately I had back up recording). It needs an almost direct line of sight and no interference to work decently. It is simply not reliable enough for professional paid work in my opinion and should only be used as a back up. It is ok for interviews where the camera is right in front of the subject and nothing is moving (like a RU-vid video) but for professional paid work it would still make me nervous. After that wedding experience I bought two DR-10L's... super happy with that decision. Glad I checked out this vid and read the comments because the idea of using the Go to plug into the Tascam to be able to monitor it's audio and use as a scratch recording into the camera sounds interesting.
Hey, thanks for sharing this! Now I'm more confident into which setup to be using - Rode Go for more of the casual, vlogging fun stuff (oh and direct camera interviews) and the DR-10Ls for covering events like weddings or even some places with lots of interferences.
btw i have heard that you can both charge and use the rode wireless go AT THE SAME TIME. so shoots over 7hrs or with low battery 🔋 are not stopped by needing to charge
and that means putting a battery on the transmitter. If you use the built in microphone that will be hard to do since the charge cable will fall off. If you use an external microphone, and the transmitter is in a pocket that, that will work.
yes about dual subject interviews it means if you buy 2 trasmitter it happens that with only 1 receiver all 3 work together ? is that real ? or it is an option will be available in the future ? let us know - it is very important this aspect and not very often mics farms think about it - it would be very useful when you make interact 2 actors at the same time and if this option is available also for 3 different mics and 1 receiver ? well if really it is like this well every body of us will become an hollywood director in short time so please let us know about using more trasmitter at the same time and with so I mean which is the solution to use them together .Make great examples about that make a great tutorial about that and plenty of us will suscribe to your channel as I have done already .
PUT THEM TOGETHER!! You can run the headphone output of the Tascam through your Rode wireless go and you essentially have a wireless lav with back up on board recording. Plus you can monitor your Tascam wirelessly that way from your camera. BOOM!! Minds blown:)
Can you expand on this? I have the tascam so through the headphone output there is a way to connect it to the rode wireless go, and using the lav from the tascam it will record onto the tascam but also record wirelessly to the rode go/camera?
Dr. Sean Reyes you can tap the headphone output of the tascam into the wireless go mic input. You will need to adjust the levels but effectively this will give you the audio wirelessly from the tascam to your camera and then just roll the clean feed on your tascam in case you get any dropouts on the rode. It also makes it easier to sync in post as well. Hope that makes sense:)
I have a pair of Tascam DR-10CS (UK only) and this test confirms that I might NOT be getting the GOs just yet. The Tascam has a richer sound; the GO tinnier with a bit of drift on the high end - but they are the price they are and wireless. The only reason, as you have shown, is speed and to avoid phasing but then you are talking 400 dollars!
Yeah the CS it's been in my radar for a while just so I can patch it to the wireless of choice and have physical copy in the talent and a copy in the camera or audio recorder.
@@L4LTVuk it's sad I had to resort to an UK online store to get them since there's a patent blocking its sale in the US. But you can add a backup for those times where it is impossible to do a retake.
The DR-10L can't also output sound to cam for in camera recording? that just a fail form get go, sorry. That nor really even a mic system. that's a closed recording system.
Holy crap! Why did I not know about the DR-10L?! Doesn't matter now, my Rode GO's will be here tomorrow (I ordered 2 sets the day that they were available to me). I didn't however, order any LAV mics, and I think that might have been a mistake (Not that I can't order them any time). I like the concept of the DR-10L, but being a bit paranoid about trusting technology, the ability to NOT monitor the record-output of the mic is a deal breaker for me. Love the concept of the GO. (Had to grab 2 mini to XLR adapters to plug into my Tascam DR60-MKII field recorder).
Hi Mike, how do you record the dual rode wireless go for the interview setup? do you use multi channel recorder and hook both of the rode wireless go? or directly to camera (which i can not figure out yet how)?
I think they both merit their perks. I've been eyeing up the DR-10L as its probably the best wired mic in the market for the price. But the new Rode Go will easily replace my bulky wireless mics and my shotgun mic in 90% of the things I do. So for that, the Rode Go is earning the best product of 2019.
Mike, “Go” is very good I use it. Only wished it was as small and light as a lav. ...what do you think, I’m curious to hear your thoughts 💭? 🔴ANYONE USE TAPE WHRN USING THE “GO” TO KEEP IT IN PLACE? 🔴WHICH IS THE BEST TYPE OF TYPE TO USE.
Funny -- I am not shooting a wedding with 200 people walking around -- the best set up is the Purple Panda and the Rode wireless -- into the GoPro 7 Black
What about saramonics. They have 2 transmitters and 1 receiver which can go directly to the camera and not have to worry about syncing them...Anyone use these? Great video by the way.
I used those for my first 3 videos on my channel if you want to hear it. I used to do voiceover professionally so I've had a bit of experience with audio editing, and in my opinion, the quality just isn't there. That's why I'm here looking for an alternative lol. Even with a bunch of tweaking in post it has a very robotic gain-y sound to it.
When you compare, use always systems with lavalier, not the possibility from the build in mic, I use the lavalier from rode wireless go. Great quality ! Both systems are top ! :-)
@@AccountGoogle_ WOW. This is an old post. Can't remember exactly why I chose Tascam. I liked that it's a recorder and not just a receiver. And Also I agree with Mike in that the sound quality on the Tascam DR-10L was slightly better.
I don’t agree with your final conclusion. I think the Rode is a better option for someone behind the camera because there is live monitoring. The Tascam would be a good backup solution as it’s not able to be monitored but can record 2 tracks at once. Ultimately the rode will give you flexible control and saves time in post while the tascam does neither.
Fully agree with your assessment - I guess what I meant is that for my purposes as a filmmaker (shooting mostly weddings) if I had to choose 1 - I'd go Tascam. But def different depending on different needs.
I thought so too, but it's actually not that much work to align recordings as long as (1) you use sync claps....turn on everyone's mic, bring them close together, clap your hands in some pattern... it's like the old production slate/clapboard way of doing it, and (2) use davinci resolve or other software to align your video and audio...and then hand tune if necessary based on your sync claps. Anytime there's an interruption to one of the mics or videos you'll need to re-sync-clap. The longer running your video segments the least amount of aligning that you'll have to do in post.
@@KayakFishingAddict Been 2 months, since then I took the RODE route. I like the mic, only drawback is you can't have multiple "Go"s connected to the receiver.
@@OldSchoolNoe Right. So if you're one mic and one camera then it will not require syncing as you can plug the receiver into the camera and overlay the RODE audio into the video track. If you need more mics or more camera angles you're going to have to sync anyway.
Hey! Just found your channel! Great work! Just curious are you sure that the LAV mic actually made good contact? I’ve found that some LAVs with threads don’t always make proper contact especially with the tascam LAVs
Dude, I missed out! Yesterday I saw a video and I was like'' nah I safe some money'' and later in that day, the damn thing was sold out! I have to say for 414 subs your video is on point!
Nice review and comparaison. Do you know if you're going to need two complete kits to conduct a two person interview or a single receiver can manage two transmitters ?
Yeah - you it will sound weird during playback... if you do it, you have to edit in such a way that one is always muted or else there will be phasing issues
Nice work! Glad you showed an actual field test. Do you remember what the Rode Wireless Go sounded like around the 75 yard mark? It sounded OK at 50 yards (when you were facing the receiver), but cut in and out at 100 yards. However, Rode advertises a range of 70m (or 76.5 yards) so they get a pass from me for the 100 yard test.
Danny Song ahh wish I knew that!! The Rode basically kept the feed the whole time as I walked back from the 100 yard line to the camera - however I didn’t stay at 75 yards long enough to get a decent test ... I can test it tomorrow at let you know !
Mike Gorman cheers, often just manually lining things up (or using Davinci Resolves multicam but that doesn't work with pure audio tracks). Will check it out!
Interesting….. Your review was totally biased! Also, This is not an “apples to apples" comparison. The Rode never had a chance. You came into this with your preference for the Tascam since it was your “goto” setup. It was entertaining tho!
that Rode is ridiculous... I'd love to see anyone clip that crazy looking thing to a shirt... ridiculous! PS: Be unique... Y'all try so hard to be too cool and too much like every other youtuber out there (you know who you're trying to be) so much so, that you all really look alike... but anyway... thanks for the trouble of posting this...
