I hear ya man. When a guy was full of piss and vinegar and a nice breeze would make the old trouser monster stand straight up lol. No internet tough guys back then either.Now we have agendas and people with a thorn up their ass thinking the world somehow owes them a favor. Simpler times indeed.
@@peteandrepete528 You sound like a guy that's not only strong and rugged in person, but quite virile as well. I hope you've found a way to tame that monster of yours. "It" must be an impressive sight. You really give off a groovy vibe.
Whenever you feel stressed, please say these words: "Dear God, thank you for my eyes, thank you for my ears, thank you for my hands, thank you for my feet, thank you for my heart....you are so good to me!" Gabe, focus on your blessings please, not your problems. I love you but God loves you way more.
When I was a kid my dad brought me to a pre-season game. After the game we stood out back to get autographs while the team got on their bus. All the dudes were nice, signing autographs, shaking hands, taking pictures. Clemens comes out and just starts yelling at all the kids "WATCH OUT, GET OUT MY WAY" and so on. Keep in mind we were behind barricades, so no one was really in his way. All of our dads just started talking shit to him back and he wanted to go after us kids and our dads. Fuck that dude.
Ok. When I was a kid Clemens came to see me in the hospital the day before I had heart surgery. He asked me if he could do anything and I asked him to come see me when it was over. Day after the surgery he showed up. The next year at spring training in winter haven my dad brought me to a game and Roger was signing autographs. I waited and when it was my turn he immediately recognized me and remembered my name. He asked my dad where we were sitting and after about the 5th inning an usher cake and let us know that Mr Clemens invited us to one of the outer fields. He spent about 30 minutes with me playing catch and teaching me how to throw pitches. I don’t doubt that he’s a hot head nor do I doubt your story. But he did so much more for me than I could ever expect. And I was far from the only one he did things like this for. We’re all flawed and at our worst moments but he taught me to give to people in need. I’ll always be thankful for that.
Never been a Clemens fan the rules were different for him compared to others. Mike Piazza should have charged the mound. None of the Yankees wanted to defend him throwing a piece of the broken bat at Piazza his excuse of saying "I thought it was the ball." Hello you throw a ball to first base not a runner.
@@16rumpole yep that's why Rickey should easily be the all time walks leader and was for a while. But Barry Bonds stole it from him when he started being walked all the time after he used steroids.
I personally dont care, it made better baseball and if guys want to take the chance on harming their bodies to gain, hey go for it. Obviously I understand the reasons for not allowing it, but its just my personal opinion.
1990? Nah. It was just basically Canseco and maybe McGwire back then. It didn't become more wide spread until after the strike. So frustrating, all the MLB needed to do back then aside from the obvious of instituting random PED testing for everyone .....was at least looking into guys like Canseco that were obvious. Hell Boston fans were chanting "Steroids" at him, then he flexed to the crowd 🤣( Alpha move by the way) MLB shoulda looked into it and demanded a steroid test or something. They do that and the message would be clear....blatant steroid use won't be tolerated, and would fuck up your reputation and money. Instead they did nothing, and in effect there was no rule against steroids since no one was tested, investigated or even mildly rebuked out of the public eye. No one said or did anything; not the MLB, not the PA, not the fans, and not the media. PEDs were de facto greenlighted.....thats why I don't really blame 90s guys for using or curse them for their lack of "integrity"....rule isn't really a rule if there's absolutely zero enforcement nor a stigma against breaking it. The MLBPA didn't want random testing for recreational drugs bc everyone was doing blow and amphetamines back in the 80s and 90s
@@davidca96 I don't think any of the 90s users owe any1 an apology for anything. There was no testing, no oversight, no questions ever asked by the MLB. On top of that fans and media didn't care or said anything it's not really a rule if it's totally unenforced and unacknowledged by all parties involved
I didn't think idiotic comments like that by announcers went back as far as 1990. It's hard to believe Jim Gray actually got paid to deliver us absolutely useless nonsense like this.
Also, it takes the announcers almost two minutes to realize that Clemens had been ejected. So, they're not watching the action closely, and no one else in the back room saw it and told them in their ear what's going on. Everyone at home saw it, but the people making thousands of dollars to describe the action both do not see what's going on right in front of them.
CBS’ baseball production was a huge drop-off from NBC and even ABC. NBC’s Game of the Week was the best, esp. with Vin and Joe. Not exactly an original observation but NBC was so good at presenting baseball in the 80’s.
@@johndfw8680 Yes there are. Whenever there are two LCS games on the same day, one is a day game. I suppose it could be a late start like 5:00 if it's on the east coast, but there were day games @ Dodger Stadium last year. Just the World Series is always in prime time, as it should be.
I agree that throwing out a starting pitcher in a game like this is ridiculous. However, Clemens has to have some degree of self control knowing what is on the line
Let's just be glad Clemens didn't throw a bat at an umpire, or something like that. Early in his career or late in his career, Clemens was always a showboating hothead with an ego of eggshells.
The only time the fans go on the field at Fenway Park is after we won a World Series haven't you been paying attention lately when we won all those World Series and you didn't.
This was the first year I fell in love with baseball, I was 11. Thankfully I only had to go through 13 years of heartache before the curse was broken, but I remember this sting all too well.
CBS interviewed Clemens when he got to the clubhouse and he said he was going to ice his arm down and be ready to start tomorrow if the Sox won (they were down 3-0). I remember hoping they would win to see what happened in Game 5, but it didn't happen.
Stewart later said he thought Clemens realized he had nothing that day and was going to get beat, and intentionally got himself ejected so he'd have that as a fig leaf when his team lost. He added something like "Same old Roger Clemens, never coming through for his team when it counts the most." Not a lot of respect there. He did dominate head-to-head match-ups with Clemens over the years.
That ball 4 to Randolph was right over the plate....like directly over. See why he was pissed. Not an excuse for using foul language, but the ball was right over the plate.
The pitch before that was called a strike but looked high and in, Randolph looked back at Cooney on that one like wtf then took “ball 4” which was indeed a strike. Roger wasn’t looking too good so maybe he did jack his jaws for an ejection. Well he sure got it!
Everybody missed it when Clemens got tossed - the CBS cameras, announcers, even the Oakland fans didn't react immediately. You'd think that a cataclysmic event like Roger Clemens being ejected from a postseason game in the 2nd inning would have been a major meltdown type deal, but nobody realized it at the time it happened.
Sometimes umpires miss calls. And these misses can and do affect the outcome of very crucial games. The calls on Randolph in this video most certainly did look like strikes. And the umpire should have at least given a warning. The ump should have handled it better.
1:10...Boston actually broke that record, losing 15 straight games from 1986-1999 (last two vs Mets 86 WS, all eight vs A's in 1988/90 ALCS, three vs Cleveland in 1995 ALDS and first two vs Cleveland in 1999 ALDS) before improbably coming back from down 0-2 to beat Cleveland in the 1999 ALDS.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot not exactly. In 1998 ALDS Boston won Game 1 vs Cleveland, losing the series 3 games to 1. Total losing streak was only(!) 13 games, then another 5 game losing streak before game 3 the following year.
Kinda hard when fastballs directly over the plate are called balls about 7 times. Cooney was an asshole and Denkinger was an expert at blowing big calls himself.
I always thought Clemens got himself tossed on purpose. He was on his way to getting dusted and with his huge ego he didn't want to get blown out in an elimination game.
I’ve always been a Red Sox fan, but in 1988 and 1990, the A’s just had a much better team. Indeed, the surprising aspect about that dominant A’s team is that they only won one World Series Championship in that period. The Dodgers beat them in ‘88, and the Reds in ‘90.
Mark Cianfarani The Gibson home run definitely was a huge factor. Very dramatic, coming off the bench, barely able to walk. But Dodgers pitcher Orel Hershiser (not sure on the spelling) was just about unhittable in that Series also.
@@johnfitzpatrick3094 Th '88 Dodgers were, but the '90 Reds weren't that much better. Cincy should have won at least 100 in the NL West that year. Then they beat the "perennially striking-out in playoff games" Pirates. The A's had more of a mental edge in '89, after the '88 loss. In 1990, they seemingly took a nap for a week after sweeping Boston, and acted like the WS was over as soon as they arrived. Well, it was...
@@brianoneill7186, I agree with the last part, but the Reds also had stiff competition from the Dodgers and Giants. They also had a lights out bullpen.
@Kevin Michael Agreed. It was the last two games, where the Dodger starting lineup had been depleted by injuries, that were surprising, particularly Game4, when sloppiness and a couple of errors killed the A's. The Reds in 1990 were fortunate get the sweep, before the loss of Hatcher and Davis could hurt them too much.
If you read his lips, the first thing he says is "I'm not fucking talking to you". He probably was talking to himself in anger and the ump thought he was talking to him initially, but telling the ref "I'm not fucking talking to you" probably wasn't the best way to explain himself
Let's go back to the studio to get the perspective of the umpire who blew the 1985 World Series for St. Louis, and who that entire team - led by Joaquin Andujar - tried to kill in Game 7. LMAO
Was it Dickingers fault Jack Clark dropped a pop up, was Dickingers fault Todd Worrell & Darrell Porter allowed wild pitch or passed ball, did Don Dickinger allow the game winning hit, did Don Dickinger get destroyed in Game 7 did Don Dickinger blow a 2 games to 0 lead or a 3 games to 1 lead???? No the Cardinals blew it & made Dickinger take the hit!!!!
Clemens was clearly in the wrong, but I do agree that umps these days do tend to have quick triggers when it comes to ejections these days as compared to the past.
Yes it's become a major issue with Umpires that have over-inflated egos and think they can do whatever they want including tossing players if they disagree with a call. I have to side with the announcer here, he should issue a warning then if he continues eject him. Simular to what the do what a batter is hit by a pitch unless it is obvious that was what the pitcher was going for was to hit the batter.
I miss when you had to win your division to make the playoffs. It truly meant something to be in the playoffs then, although I think the Sox only won 89 games that year.
I don't miss those days at all. I'm a Jays fan, after the mid 90s when the Yankees and Red Sox started buying up all star teams, I knew in April my team wasn't making playoffs no matter how good they looked on paper. Lots of years in there when the Jays could have won the central or west, but were doomed to miss the playoffs in the east. An expanded playoff actually gives fans in most markets something to look forward to on any given year. It's far better for keeping an interest in the game.
I was at this game. I told my friend before the game started that there would be controversy involving Terry Cooney. He was the worst Ump in the league at the time. Combine that with hot head Clemens and you get the situation you had here.I enjoyed it very much.
If my ace got chucked I would be upset. If I were Barrett, I would have laid a beating on the coach that pulled him back into the dugout. If I were the owner, I would have fired the coach on the spot.
Jack Son he had to quit umpiring due to death threats so they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media so that people would forget about the call. It didn’t work and all it did was bring more attention. It’s such a shame because if replay had been allowed in 1985 it never would have happened
When a player is ejected and refuses to leave the dugout they should give one warning then start tossing the manager and on down until the player has left. Game goes on even if 1 or 2 are the only ones left on the team.
John Stilwell I might agree, except for the fact that the only way to get to the clubhouse was a path that took one near to the crowd. But I think even the umpires realized they had gone too far. They let Joe Morgan get away with a lot, and they did nothing about all the stuff tossed onto the field. And the American League would never allow an ALCS game be decided on a forfeit, which is what your solution would have amounted to. No matter what Denkinger said, the fact is that ejections in the postseason are rare. When Earl Weaver (who else?) was ejected in a World Series game (late sixties or early seventies), it was the first ejection of a manager in a World Series since 1935! Again, not defending Roger, but the smarter reaction from the umpire (who had blown one of those two calls) would have been to go out, dust off the plate, and tell the catcher to get out to the mound, and tell Clemens that if he so much as glared at the ump, he would immediately be tossed. That would be his only warning. You might still have to eject him, but for the moment, it might have de-escalated the situation. Certainly the catcher would do everything he could to keep his starter in the game, and the fact is that fans want to see the best players (on both teams) playing in the biggest games.
Alex Sweet they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media because he was getting death threats and had to quit umpiring. It didn’t work. Shows you how replay could have changed that guy’s life if they had allowed it back then
I always remember the name of Rocky Roe because when I was a kid I genuinely thought his name was Rocky Road and that the ice cream was named after him.
The umpire was one of the reasons why I fell in love with the baseball as a kid.. it was something about how imposing the figure was behind the plate especially on the strike three call i still appreciate good animated umpire to this day
Now if you look at an umpire the wrong way and you’re gone. Imagine players saying you can’t throw a man out for arguing balls and strikes in a playoff game. 1990- times have changed-2023
the Clemens meltdown begins at 7:10 when an inside pitch to Willie Randolph is called a strike, and then is followed by a pitch in the same location that's called a ball...
@@e2go the first one was borderline and called a strike. The second one was clearly a strike and called a ball so yeah Clemens had a strong case for calling the ump out.
No warnings are necessary, to argue balls and strikes ends in ejection. That it was a play-off game doesn't matter. Roger is not in the HOF for a reason. Shame on CBS for calling for a suspension of the rules.
Charles Keller bro it’s the heat of the moment, it’s the playoffs, and it was a strike anyway. People don’t pay thousands and fly across the country to see an umpire, they pay to see Roger Clemens. If Clemens decides to sandbag, that’s on him, but the ump at least has to give him the chance. I don’t even think what Clemens was doing was a formal argument, he was basically saying “fuck you” from the mound. The ump clearly has very thin skin because there was no need to even acknowledge this behavior
Let's face it. Terry Cooney after getting hit years earlier by Earl Weaver decided he ain't taking s--t from anyone! He showed everyone who's boss and Clemens learned the hard way.
@@patrickgray5633 Umpire should’ve walked out and said “enough, any more and your ejected” but like most umpires they think they are the reason people show up to game. Just ask Joe West
The thing about Clemens that people need to understand is what a diva he was. Seriously, he complained he had to carry his own luggage at the airport, he said Fenway was a "subpar" facility, and not only that, but he had clauses put into later contracts that said he did not have to travel with the team if he wasn't scheduled to pitch. It's a shame, because Clemens should have had a no-nonsense manager like Jim Leyland who wouldn't have put up with his shit.
This was before Mark McGwire admitted to taking steroids and Roger Clemens got busted for the same thing these two players along with Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa will not get inducted into the Hall of Fame along with Pete Rose
Their strategy in 1990 was to show fewer playoff games in prime time, and pre-empt afternoon soap operas to promote their then-third place prime time shows. The ratings were bad all day!
@@brianoneill7186 I don't think it had to with ratings. MLB used to always have both league championship series going on the same day. In fact, one series would actually be two games in before the other series would even start, so this was not uncommon.
@@OliveOyl12590 Yes, but the 1990 League Championship Series had more day games scheduled than there had been in previous years, and TV deals. CBS set that schedule.
@@brianoneill7186 CBS also had the NFL, too. When NBC had both MLB and NFL, sometimes they'd have regional coverage weekends giving FOX or CBS, depending on who had the NFC coverage, the Sunday doubleheader for that weekend. HERE'S THE EDIT: During those weekends when NBC had MLB Championship games, ABC would probably have a west coast matchup on Monday Night Football and you'd see some of the AFC West teams hosting NFC teams on that Sunday to relieve NBC of having to worry about any late games during that time.
@@anthonycarr5514 Dude, it was a joke! Jeez, I'm not an angry person. But my biggest problem seems to be that I'm not as funny as I think I am. Actually, my profession is mathematician, not "remixer"
Obviously,there was a lot of frustration going on with the Red Sox being down 3-0 and it probably has gotten to Clemens and the Sox at that time. Thankfully,2004 erased all the frustration.
@@jimmyjam209 1990 is not the "steroid era". Steroid era is kind of a myth in the sense that steroids wasn't the reason the league hit alot of HRS....they juiced the ball in 93/94 and HRS stayed around the same rate for 20 yrs after. Baseball in 1991 and 1992 was a different game.
Very sharp! Glad you picked up he was there. I was at Fenway when John homered over the Green Monster, which was most likely his last Major League home run.
KHayes666 1984. When Temple played at NCAA regional in my hometown, I was playing Konami Track and Field at the local arcade. This big dude wearing Temple gear comes in with a couple of his teammates. Little did I know until the next day when he was behind the plate for the Owls that I went at it with John Marzano. He put on a home run clinic but didn't have much of a supporting cast. Michigan (who won the regional) was loaded. Some guy by the name of Barry Larkin put on an even bigger clinic. John Marzano was a cool dude. RIH.
@@METALITHrevetments Cooney worked until mid-1992. He had bad knees and was hit by a line drive while working third base. That injured his knee and forced him to retire at age 59. He was a state correctional officer before he became an umpire.
Interesting how there are 3 former or future Red Sox players in Oakland's starting lineup: (1) Carney Lansford, (2) Ricky Henderson, and (3) Dave Henderson (yes, the same guy who hit those dramatic home runs in the playoffs against the Angels, and World Series against the Mets in 1986).
I was in left field bleachers that game. I remember it was the first time I ever saw a pitcher wearing eye black I think he was trying to look intimidating we were laughing yelling bye bye roger was a jerk back then and obviously still is.
Maybe he did, but what happened to the Cards in the LAST game of the series? They sucked rocks BIG TIME. Guess the Card's didn't think they should have to actually PLAY the last game, did they. Seems they were WRONG, weren't they.......
CrociatoAzzurro Saw it live on television. I don't think anyone could forget something this surreal. This moment goes right alongside Tyson biting Holyfield in the annals of, "Huh?"
I was taken from my home by my mom and forced to go school shopping that afternoon. I kept walking by the tvs and couldn't understand why clemens was getting thrown out, the volumes were all down. I miss those days.
I hear ya. When I heard Stewart talk I thought, wtf? The guy is a best with a look that could kill you but then he talks and you have to giggle a little.
Man, back in these days you had to wait til end of inning to see the score. You would cut game on and have no idea of the score. Also our 22” tv’s were filled completely up with just the game. Now my 65” tv is taken up by a bottom line, score, launch angle, WAR etc., and the screen is about 22” of game. Haha.
You have to admire hockey players. They get mad about something, they skate over to each other and pound each other in the face until they break bones and knock out teeth. From anger to a shattered knuckle and 16 stitches takes maybe 20 seconds. In baseball they strut around for hours and scream and curse and howl and throw Gatorade jugs-----and nobody hits anybody.
