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Rokossovsky - Ostfront Ace in the Hole
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Konstantin Rokossovsky was born in northern Russia and was conscripted into the Russian Army in 1914, joining the 5th Kargopol Dragoons. In 1917 he joined the Bolshevik forces during the Russian Revolution and was twice honored with the Order of the Red Banner during the civil war. In 1937 during the Army purges, he was arrested and imprisoned for 3 years. He was accused of being both a Polish and Japanese spy. Among the injuries he sustained during this time was the loss of most of his teeth, which were later replaced with stainless steel dentures, and thus throughout the war Rokossovsky was famous for his steely smile.
By July 1941 and Operation Barbarossa. Rokossovsky was commander of the 4th Army at Smolensk. He distinguished himself leading the 16th Army during the defense of Moscow and Stalingrad. At Stalingrad, commanding the Don Front, his troops successfully counterattacked Friedrich Paulus' Sixth Army, marking a strategic victory by stopping the German southern advance. He also contributed much to the counterattack of the German forces at Kursk, again halting a major German offensive. For such feats he became the commander of the central front, directly overseeing the Russian offensive Operation Bagration. In mid-1944 he was given the title Marshal of the Soviet Union.
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@sparkey6746
@sparkey6746 2 года назад
Rokossovsky has always been of interest wme, outstanding presentation, thank you both.
@talktidy7523
@talktidy7523 2 года назад
I have a soft spot for Rokossovsky. I believe he is the soviet general, who had a reputation for looking after his men, and, unlike Zhukov, was reknowned for not squandering their lives without a second thought.
@wiktordabrowski1299
@wiktordabrowski1299 11 месяцев назад
Because he was born and raised in Polish Noble family within catholic polish civilization, not withim a mongol turian barbarian civilization like Russian Zhukov.
@michalinamarkowska8930
@michalinamarkowska8930 6 месяцев назад
@@wiktordabrowski1299Zhukov was a criminal, took part in supressing peasant uprising in Tambov region. Rokossovsky never took part in such actions.
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 5 месяцев назад
​@@wiktordabrowski1299the least racist polish nationalist be like
@thejamaicanpolak3988
@thejamaicanpolak3988 4 месяца назад
​@briantarigan7685 They did terrible things to the Polish people. They are evil and act like animals when they invade. My grandfather has told me stories what they did to family members in Poland.
@donaldkepple4927
@donaldkepple4927 2 года назад
Rokossovsky was always making sure his men had what they needed in the 1943 early 1944 campaign in belurus he used ski troops to do hit and run attacks in the german rear usually when he attacked he made good results
@ramuner2816
@ramuner2816 Год назад
USSR-Polish General Konstantin Rokossovsky (became a Marshal at 1944) was the greatest military commander of WW2 who deserved the ultimate respect because of his crucial role in the brilliant victory in winter 1942-1943 in the battle of Stalingrad forcing to surrender the whole Wehrmacht 6th Army and its commander-in-chief Fieldmarshal Friedrich von Paulus personally. The battle of Stalingrand was a decisive battle which turned the entire course of events of WW2. From Stalingrad the retreat of the German army has started, which finally terminated in 1945 in Berlin. After this brilliant victory Rokossovsky declared that Stalingrad will unquestionably lead to Berlin, and the fall of the Third Reich. History has proved that he was right!!!❤
@michalinamarkowska8930
@michalinamarkowska8930 6 месяцев назад
After surrender at Stalingrad fieldmarshal Von Paulus handed over his beautiful personal pistol to Rokossovsky. Rokossovsky kept this gun under the pillow in the night in case of arrest ( after return to USSR in 1956 ).
@ramuner2816
@ramuner2816 6 месяцев назад
​@@michalinamarkowska8930 Yes, exactly! Rokossovsky said (remembering what hapenned in 1937): "If they once again come to arrest me, I know, what I will do."
@davidk7324
@davidk7324 2 года назад
Very informative presentation/discussion, I learned a great deal. Rokossovsky certainly stands out amongst his peers--although the record is limited. I appreciate the work Ollie is doing and thank Paul for bringing his perspective to the table. Frontlinetofrontpage looks interesting.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
Well said!
@spidrespidre
@spidrespidre Год назад
Another phenomenal presentation. Thanks for bringing Ollie on. I have no further questions. Everything has been asked and answered.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV Год назад
Awesome, thank you!
@justinmoore8581
@justinmoore8581 2 года назад
A very important contribution that Rokossovsky made to WW2 and its history is that Bagration moved so fast it upset the timetable for the SS concealing the evidence of the Holocaust. They captured Lublin and Maydenek intact and so you can give him a lot of credit for exposing the Genocidal secrets of Nazism. Many bad things can be said against the Soviets, the Nazis learnt a lot their nasty habits from them, but outright genocide isn't one (not after the Holodomor anyway); the Soviets weren't genocidal like the Nazis were, just look at them sharing their rations with Berlin civilians; not like the Nazis in Minsk or Kiev starting to starve them all to death.
@lexbor3511
@lexbor3511 2 года назад
Soviets were border-lining genocide - deportations of several ethnic groups from Caucasus and Crimea BUT "Holodomor" was not an ethnic cleansing it is portrait today for the politics of pushing Ukraine from Russia to the West. It was a result of communist unhuman collectivization of agriculture and was not directed against any ethnic group. Millions of Russians and Kazakh people starved too as a result, not only Ukrainians. More - the starvation as a result of that social experiment was not the goal of the Kremlin - it was a result of it. So the "-mor" part of the word "Holodomor" is wrong cause "mor" in Russian means - starving people to dearth deliberately. Its a propaganda word historians (maybe with the exception of Kotkin) dont dare to question to not sound "controversial". Anyway Stalin could had just abolish Ukraine's separate from Russia republic's status and noone would dare to oppose him. He did not need to starve those Ukrainians to dearth.
@donaldkepple4927
@donaldkepple4927 Год назад
That is very very correct
@DartXL
@DartXL 6 месяцев назад
@@donaldkepple4927 It cannot be correct to simultaneously compare the Soviet Union to Nazism, mention the Holocaust and at the same time justify Israel's genocide in Palestine.
@Дмитрий-х9з4г
@Дмитрий-х9з4г 4 месяца назад
Только не умные люди могут говорить, что фашизм научился геноциду у СССР. Последователи Геббельса. Просто нет слов. Как на западе прививили такие штампы людям. А людям пожелать изучать историю не по Резуну-Суворову.
@matthewwhitton5720
@matthewwhitton5720 2 года назад
Unless I’m mistaken, he also seems to have been the only handsome bloke amongst ( as far as I can tell ) the entire array of commanders from both the Soviet and Allied armed forces.
@LeftistUprising
@LeftistUprising 2 года назад
There are jokes regarding this! Roko was dating a singer or ballerina who was very pretty after the War. Someone commented to Stalin the following: "Comrade Stalin, Roko is dating that singer. What do you think that we should do?" Stalin said "We can all be jealous of Roko."
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 Год назад
Boy Browning, mountbatten, and tuckachevsky would have been if Stalin hadnt killed him.
@peterireland4344
@peterireland4344 5 месяцев назад
Rodimtsev gave him a run for his money. He even managed to look dashing in a hole in Stalingrad.
@InternetPerson-ij3fh
@InternetPerson-ij3fh 5 месяцев назад
lmao real
@12hairyjohn
@12hairyjohn 2 года назад
Rokossovsky was one of only two generals, Shapshnikov was the other, that Stalin addressed by first name and patronymic. Rokossovsky earned that at the battle of Kursk.
@jamesdean1143
@jamesdean1143 2 года назад
No, Stalin began to refer to Rokossovsky by the first name familiar after the liberation of Minsk in July 1944, as part of Operation Bagration, on which Rokossovsky led the organisation.
@theodoros9428
@theodoros9428 2 года назад
The best soviet general of ww2
@adamwarne1807
@adamwarne1807 2 года назад
Wait?! You mean Zhukov didn't win the war on the Eastern front single handed?! Excellent presentation yet again.
@martindice5424
@martindice5424 2 года назад
Also agree The Death Of Stalin is a brilliant movie. 👍👍
@parkestanley2436
@parkestanley2436 2 года назад
Great guest, great show....always!!
@bikesnippets
@bikesnippets 2 года назад
The best large formation commander of WW2. Bagration was a masterclass.
@donaldkepple4927
@donaldkepple4927 Год назад
Bagration was a pure master class in the almost total destruction of army group center
@williamkolina3988
@williamkolina3988 2 года назад
Just caught this episode.paul your channel is fantastic.unbiased history.I wish one day you could bring Bernhard last and Nicolas Moran on your channel.the 3 of you have really unlearned everything I studied for 50 years.and that's a good thing.also drachnifel.sorry forgot him. Semper Fi Paul
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
I'm trying for Nicholas Moran, he's not the best at replying to emails alas. I'll keep trying though
@antbonyziemiak208
@antbonyziemiak208 Год назад
The Roc was tough. After getting his teeth knocked out and replaced with stainless steel teeth, he was the REAL man of steel , not Stalin !! How many other Soviet generals ( including Stalin) could have went through what he did and come out on top. He was the right man at the right time at the right place. Also you'd be lucky to serve under him rather some other Soviet general, as he didn't use his soldiers as human battering rams , but wait for the proper equipment to be brought up to get the job done. Does anyone know if his autobiography "A Soldiers Duty " is available in English ??
@gmdyt1
@gmdyt1 5 месяцев назад
To answer an unanswered question from the video. From August 1941 Rokossovskys chief of staff was Mikhail Malinin until November 1944 when Zhukov took over central front (Malinin remained as cos)
@dougl7536
@dougl7536 Год назад
Rokossovsky and Ridgway are the two most under-rated generals of the 20th century.
@adeptusaegis3189
@adeptusaegis3189 6 месяцев назад
30:38 It's actually the opposite. "He cannot be appointed to staff and teaching jobs - he organically hates it" - Rokosovsky about Zhukov, when he was Zhukov superior in the 1930s. By the way, Rokossovsky, in Russia had a reputation as an intelligent and polite commander, unlike Zhukov and, for example, Chuikov. This, however, did not prevent Rokossovsky from screwing up in 1941 under the Istria River, infuriating Zhukov when he turned directly to Stalin, who agreed with the withdrawal of troops. This led to a hole in the front, into which the German stream poured.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
Rokossovsky wasn't born in Warsaw but in Pinsk in present Belarus. You have also omitted his best friend in the Red Army, general Pavel Batov. Rokossovsky was always his superior but prior to any action took his advice very seriously and they were in good friendly relations. Batov commanded various units and during Vistula-Oder offensive in 1945 commanded 65 Army which captured Stettin ( now Szczecin ).
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 5 месяцев назад
There is an ongoing debate about where he was born, historians have been unable to ascertain the exact place. What's your specific evidence for it being Pinsk?
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
@@WW2TV I know very well about this debate and that it is politically biased, as everything else regarding his life. I am not a professional historian however I try to trace all recent news. About a year ago some Belorussian historians claimed to find hard evidence about Pinsk or its close vicinity. They found official records in local church. I have no idea is it true or not. According to other authors his real mother was Konstancja Cholewinska, Polish woman from impoverished gentry but she died soon after his birth; he was named Konstanty after her. Russian or Belorussian teacher Antonina Ovsiannikova was perhaps only his stepmother. Warsaw is improbable as it was not visited by his father and mother. His father was based at rail hub at Velikye Luki but travelled almost entirely only in the region. Whole family ( including uncles and grandmother ) moved to Warsaw in 1900 or 1901, when Konstanty was about 5 years old. His father and mother (?) Antonina Ovsiannikova are buried at huge Brodno cemetery in Warsaw along his younger sister Helena Rokossowska ( died in 1982 ). Graves are very modest but there are always fresh flowers.
@Waterflux
@Waterflux 2 года назад
I must admit that Rokossovsky is one of the most fascinating of the wartime Red Army generals. My impressions: 1. Rokossovsky was not as hot-headed like Zhukov. This can be seen from his handling of the Battle of Brody, the Soviet counterattacked against the German forces advancing towards Kiev once Zhukov flew to the Southwestern Front's HQ. After having no success with the initial counterattack, Rokossovsky switched to setting up ambushes which succeeded in damaging the German armored strength, although this could be considered as an insubordination from his part. The same applies to the Battle of Moscow, in which Rokossovsky wanted to obtain the permission to pull back 10 km and use the Iskra River to improve his defense line. However, even after going over Zhukov's head to obtain the permission to pull back, Zhukov, once finding out what had just happened, immediately rescinded the permission. 2. Compared to many of his peers, Rokossovsky paid more attention to casualties. He seemed to be a very good organizer as can be seen from the Siege of the German 6th Army in which he painstakingly took the time to reinforce his armies with a plenty of artillery before storming the 6th Army with the help of Marshal of Artillery Voronov. He did something similar in the Battle of Kursk; he judiciously set up antitank strongpoints, tank and SPG reserves, and field artillery to erode the German strength. The failures from appallingly costly and hasty counterattacks from 1941-42 must have deeply impressed him as to how not to launch offensive operations. 3. Many of his colleagues and subordinates have praised Rokossovsky. Unlike Zhukov, Rokossovsky was polite and approachable, which made it easier to put the skills and expertise of his subordinates to work. 4. During the Russian Civil War, Rokossovsky was a member of the 1st Cavalry Army under Budenny's command. Back then, the chain of command went something like Budenny-Timoshenko-Rokossovsky-Zhukov, with Voroshilov as the political commissar. Rokossovsky might have been reinstated thanks to the fact that all of these senior officers were familiar with him. Also, Stalin was close to Budenny, Voroshilov, and Timoshenko which might have helped out Rokossovsky, although only after losing all of his teeth while undergoing torture. 5. Things become much more controversial after the German capitulation, as Rokossovsky became the Minister of Defense of Poland, which has already been commented. Rokossovsky, behavior was consistent with his peers stationed in the other Soviet-occupied Eastern European countries. None of them had any illusion as to who was their boss. I am not trying to put Rokossovky off the hook, but the fate of Poland would not have been much different had someone other than Rokossovsky were in charge. Notice that the Soviet Union did not have to go all the way to appoint its own marshal to become the minister of defense of another country in other Soviet-occupied countries. Take North Korea as an example. Since the Soviets had already groomed a Korean to lead North Korea (i.e., Kim Il-Sung), it was not necessary to pull off another Rokossovsky on North Korea, let alone maintain a permanent Soviet military presence in North Korea.
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
The secret behind KR success is his motivation. He was a steadfasty Polish patriot from early childhood to the end of his life. This is a very inconvenient theme to develop or even mention by media of all countries, hence his biography remains the most lied over you can imagine.
@ZaK47-d4s
@ZaK47-d4s 2 года назад
THE Warsaw uprising in 1944 in july was not supported on Stalin's orders . Any help and he could have been shot .
@theodoros9428
@theodoros9428 2 года назад
He used lancet ,and Zhukov hammer Zhukov didn't care about the lifes of his soldiers but Rokossovsky did
@jeffclark7888
@jeffclark7888 2 года назад
Plus six broken ribs, toes smashed with a hammer and two mock executions.
@Adyingcolonialism42
@Adyingcolonialism42 2 года назад
Kim il-Sung was a fighter for Korean independence and a national hero in his own right js
@edward6902
@edward6902 9 месяцев назад
you miss out if you skip over michael k jones and his instrumental work Stalingrad: How The Red Army Triumphed, based on russian sources and archives the story of how rodimtsev’s introduction to chuikov on mamayev kurgan immediately after the former had made his way off the beach on broad daylight was illuminating rokossovky gets some mentions in the jones book…in 1965 rokossovsky published the first russian book about the battle
@utkarshtrivedi8870
@utkarshtrivedi8870 2 года назад
Rokossovsky was best general of WW2 period !
@ZeSvenska1982
@ZeSvenska1982 6 месяцев назад
Montgomerry
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
@@ZeSvenska1982 Especially his Market Garden 😀
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 5 месяцев назад
@@mecx7322 Planned by Browning and Brereton.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- Correct, but approved by Montgomery.
@Piper44LMF
@Piper44LMF Год назад
As I dance all over the place here to watch all of your OST front Presentations, from an overview look The impending invasion of France in 1944, the ongoing battles in Italy and that Italy has been knocked out of the war really does put a huge strain on Germany to fight a multifront war. Too many irons in the fire and not enough kindling to keep it going. Bagration was in my opinion the best offensive operations from the Soviets. A lot of the remaining battles after did return to the brute force save for Rokossovsky's operation in Prussia which again showed his abilities as a planner who took into consideration the need to minimize losses in order to keep a continued pressure on the Germans. That's not to downplay that their were many other leaders who were very skilled.
@gottfriedbogen5184
@gottfriedbogen5184 Месяц назад
Thank you very much
@ZaK47-d4s
@ZaK47-d4s 2 года назад
THE great problem was severe air inferiority which meant inability to block brilliant WERMACHT tank tactics especially by Guderian .
@hankwalczyk6809
@hankwalczyk6809 5 месяцев назад
This young Officer is worthy of praise,,,
@m60a3tts2
@m60a3tts2 2 года назад
The whole conversation around East Prussia was rather confusing, but the whole operation became very complex. East Prussia was initially entered in 1944 by Ivan Chernyakhovsky's 3rd Belorussian Front and was tasked with pushing through extensive and heavy German defensive belts to Koenigsburg. On 20 January 1945 with Berlin the primary objective, Stavka ordered Rokossovky to re-direct four of his armies northwest on in the direction of Marienburg when originally he was expecting to follow a more westerly course and cover Zhukov's right flank. Stavka intended that Rokossovsky's new direction would sever the German forces in East Prussia and allow them to be crushed separately. Subsequent orders by Stavka would see four armies transferred away from Rokossovsky's 2nd Belorussian Front, namely 3rd, 48th, 50th and 5th Guards Tank that went over to 3rd Belorussian Front. That made it considerably more difficult to cover Zhukov's movements as he pressed on in the direction of Berlin. To his credit, Rokossovsky pulled all of this off well under the circumstances and this is perhaps where you were trying to go. But it would be a mistake to credit Rokossovsky with the successful operations in East Prussia as that really ignores the fact that Chernyakhovsky's and later Vasilevsky's 3rd Belorussian Front did much of the work in this area.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 6 месяцев назад
First of all, everything starts in September 1944 during last phase of uprising in Warsaw. On 20th September 1944 Zhukov visited Rokossovsky in his HQ on outskirts of Praga district of Warsaw. He was very unpleased with performance of 1 Belarussian Front or even angry ( or perhaps was only pretending to be so ). Anyway he reported immediately to Stalin that it is impossible to recognise Rokossovsky, who became unexpectedly very erratic and hesitant. We will never know what were the real reasons. Perhaps it was Rokossovski's order to cross Vistula river. 1 Polish Army was fighting desperately on 3 bridgeheads on left bank of the river but situation was extremely difficult ( finally all bridgeheads were eliminated with loss of about 3000 Polish soldiers ). Some units of Czujkov's elite troops from Stalingrad were already ordered to support Czerniakow bridgehead, but orders were cancelled, perhaps due to Zhukov. Zhukov's complaint had an immediate effect and at end of September Rokossovsky was transferred to 2 Belarussian Front while Zhukov took over personal command of 1 Front. It was very obvious that this very Front will be directed directly to the west and seize Berlin. Zhukov wanted to be first in Berlin. This is exactly was happened in 1945. 1 Belarussian Front met very little resistance in January 1945, only big city on the way, Poznan was by-passed from south and north and on 31 January a bridgehead on west bank of Oder was formed. Rokossovsky was faced with a much more difficult task during his push to north west. German resistance was quite formidable, especially in their former pre-war territories. Cities of Bydgoszcz, Tri-city ( Gdansk, Sopot, Gdynia ) had to be conquered house by house. Then Pommernstellung had to be broken. Very fierce resistance on approaches to Choszczno, Stargard, Kolobrzeg and Szczecin was experienced. Crossing very wide river Oder ( actually two rivers with wide marshes in between ) was also a very difficult task. Szczecin was taken without a single shot from south west by 5 Guard Panzer Army under general Pavel Batov ( Rokossovsky's close friend ) and finally east of Wismar Rokossovsky met field marshal B.Montgomery. Both marshals were invited by Zhukov to visit captured Berlin.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
Sorry for mistake, it was Batov's 65 Army, not 5 Panzer.
@wiggles877
@wiggles877 3 года назад
Steven Kotkin of Princeton. Probably has the ultimate biography of Stalin. I hope you like reading, because the first two volumes run at about 1800 pages. It's on Audible with a great narrator if you want to finish it this year. Can't wait for the final volume!
@Smudge208
@Smudge208 3 года назад
Excellent stuff
@brucealbert4686
@brucealbert4686 2 года назад
Very good thanks
@Thumpalumpacus
@Thumpalumpacus 10 месяцев назад
Erickson's two volumes on the Eastern Front are definitive imo.
@ZRJZZZZZ
@ZRJZZZZZ 8 месяцев назад
The older historians did not have access to the Russian archives, a big disadvantage compared to the more modern ones.
@Mimi-vw6yi
@Mimi-vw6yi 3 года назад
Konstanty Ksawierowicz Rokosowki his correct name and surname in his native language. He born in Warsaw.
@jerrynelson5289
@jerrynelson5289 2 года назад
He was born in Poland Russia. Poland was part of the Russian empire.
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
Writing his name as "Rokossovsky" means misspelling and it also means a disrespect to him. There is only one way to write His name, as Polish and English share the same Latin alphabet. I am sure Rokossowski would be mad at those misspelling his name.
@G0TIMAN
@G0TIMAN 2 года назад
Who cares
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
@@G0TIMAN Morons don't care.
@morningstar9233
@morningstar9233 2 года назад
@@G0TIMAN It's hugely important. People were defined and segregated by their names and where they came from at this time (still are to this day in many ways). In Europe in WWII It could mean the difference between being sent to a concentration camp or freedom. German people could be banned from marriage to their intended if that person's name was vaguely Jewish.
@pyatig
@pyatig Год назад
As far as sources I’d suggest Alexei Isaev’s books. He’s the best Russian modern day historian and he debunks most of the propaganda people have been fed in the west
@donaldkepple4927
@donaldkepple4927 Год назад
David glantz stalingrad trilogy along with the companion book to the set is the best stalingrad sets
@renatopereiranunes7930
@renatopereiranunes7930 7 месяцев назад
ESSE MERECE O MEU RESPEITO I ADMIRAÇÃO MUITO BRABO
@ОльгаБэлл
@ОльгаБэлл 2 года назад
Kutikov (the guy in charge of the first tank brigade) has all the bragging rights in his work of 1941. Defensive god and a solid attacker.
@abroralibekov6924
@abroralibekov6924 Год назад
Panfilov division was also in the 16th Army, he also had a solid HQ.
@alistairclarke6726
@alistairclarke6726 Год назад
Agreed with the comments about the older historians, but they were writing for a less enlightened reader, the passage of time has given us insights that the last generation reader just didn't have
@leobatard
@leobatard 5 месяцев назад
Correction.Even though he was Polish origin, doesn't mean he was connected to Polish state at all. He was born in Congress of Warsaw Part of Russian Empire, He was drafted as a Russian Imperial Army. He was Russian , with mixed Polish ethnicity. His mother was Russian and Belarusian. Same as Stalin , He was Georgian ethnicity, born he was born and raised into the Russian empire. Ethnicity was meaningless at that time.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 5 месяцев назад
It's complicated though isn't it?
@nomad7966
@nomad7966 5 месяцев назад
Автор, попроси этого молодого человека, чтобы он сделал обзор на маршала Александра Михайловича Василевского. Спасибо
@kagishononyane2335
@kagishononyane2335 7 месяцев назад
Rokossovsky was a soldiers general, far better than Zhukov who didn't care about his soldiers. History needs to be changed as to who really was the better general between the two.
@janiceduke1205
@janiceduke1205 3 года назад
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@ZaK47-d4s
@ZaK47-d4s 2 года назад
BEEVOR is brilliant still now . Stalingrad was a masterpiece and included the Battle for Moscow .
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
I disagree about Beevor personally. His DDay and Arnhem books are poor IMHO. His Eastern Front books are better, but there are better authors now - Buttar and Stahel to name but two
@morningstar9233
@morningstar9233 2 года назад
Beevor's Stalingrad is very readable. As Woody says, he spins a good yarn. I thoroughly enjoyed it and found it very suspenseful and detailed. However in the 15 or so years since it was published it's fair to say it's lacking in places and incorrect in others. I would still recommend it as a rolicking good read and introduction to Stalingrad. It's still a reasonably accurate account of the battle. It made me want to know more, which is why i realise now it's got some flaws. I would agree with Woody, Beevor's D-Day and Arnhem books are sub par and give them a miss.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
Chris Bellamy is slightly better.
@redsquirrel1917
@redsquirrel1917 Год назад
If you're thinking of doing an episode on Zhukov, there's an excellent biography by Geoffrey Roberts called Stalin's General.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV Год назад
Thanks for the suggestion. I will reach out to Geoffrey
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 2 года назад
I enjoy re-reading Antony Beevor’s STALINGRAD every two years or so, but that certainly doesn’t mean that the history is the best available . But it IS rollicking good read.
@donaldkepple4927
@donaldkepple4927 2 года назад
The best account of stalingrad is david glantz 3 book set well 4 if u include the companion is outstanding
@RobMiddelhuis
@RobMiddelhuis 10 месяцев назад
You forget the battle of the Brody, tankbattle, southern front 1941.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 10 месяцев назад
Or maybe Ollie didn't forget but simply didn't include for brevity
@radoslawboklak
@radoslawboklak 3 месяца назад
We Poles do not hate or feel ashamed of Marshal, He was one of the greatest Poles.
@normanhurst8517
@normanhurst8517 2 месяца назад
Rokossosky brilliant soviet general another brilliant marshal was Alexander vasilessky who is never mentioned
@graemes813
@graemes813 Год назад
The Germans also counter-attacked and destroyed 3rd Tank Corps during the Battle of Radzymin, but it seems unclear as to whether this also contributed towards bringing the Soviet offensive toward Warsaw to a close.
@lipan2757
@lipan2757 3 года назад
Walter Model disliked this video
@PurpleCat9794
@PurpleCat9794 Год назад
Model did manage to stop operation Bagration and he was the best WW2 general.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
@@PurpleCat9794 Hitler's fireman
@ZaK47-d4s
@ZaK47-d4s 2 года назад
Airpower was critical -battles of mobile forces need Tanks and Air forces
@manlius8118
@manlius8118 Год назад
Better than the desert fox
@dejendecagarnos
@dejendecagarnos 3 года назад
Soy el mariscal más desafortunado de la Unión Soviética. En Rusia me veían como un polaco, y en Polonia como un ruso”, se lamentaba Konstantín Rokossovski
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
Disregard that. He said that after "returning" to USSR after 1956. He has never said such words while in Poland, simply because all that knew him personal had no doubt he was 100% Pole. This does not mean he had no enemies in communist Poland, he did but the were not Polish. His involuntary return to Moscow in Nov.1956 was largest personal tragedy of his life said man who knew him.
@pasofino9583
@pasofino9583 2 года назад
@@Lechoslaw8546 seemed like wearing that ussr hat had to very burdensome for the pole
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
@@pasofino9583 Naturally for common people, but that does not matte as common people had little or no idea whom he was , it was not them who caused his departure, it was Khruschev. He was inconvenient for some within power circle inside PL too, let's call them the hardline marxists. Or put it this way, he was a leader of Polish nationalist faction within the PUWP a/k/a the Polish communist party.
@pasofino9583
@pasofino9583 2 года назад
@@Lechoslaw8546 your right how would the populace know who he was, looks like im going to put a pot of coffee on. For some reason of all the theaters of combat the eastern was one I’ve neglected, and seeing as I should start from the revolution I might need a couple pots.
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
@@pasofino9583 Since 1956 the media in Poland deliberately misrepresented Rokossowski to Polish public. They are falsely accusing him of repression against Polish army officers and recruits. Since it is difficult to obtain true information many believe in that, unfortunately, but many don't and these praise memory of Him. He was a great man and done good for his home country Poland. The terrible reprisals really took place but he was not responsible for them, rather the opposite, he tried to restrain the oppressors.
@martindice5424
@martindice5424 2 года назад
I agree that he was a great general. But - Could Bargration have succeeded without the 30,000 American trucks the USSR was receiving due to lend lease? Or the aircraft? Or the aluminium? Or the power plants? Or the know how and specialised equipment that enabled the Soviet war effort to actually work?
@markprange2430
@markprange2430 Год назад
Voice coaching, if heeded, would make each speaker more intelligible and pleasant to listen to.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV Год назад
This isn't My Fair lady. It's 2023, people have different accents, tones, rhythms and timbre. I am never going to request that my guest historians take a vocal coaching course before appearing.
@Flying_Lexus
@Flying_Lexus 2 года назад
How come some sources say that Rokossovsky was born in Velikie Luki while others say that he was born in Warsaw?
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
Because that's how it is with people born around that time - there is conflicting evidence. Either way, given that Warsaw was part of Russian territory, he was definitely born in Russia
@Flying_Lexus
@Flying_Lexus 2 года назад
@@WW2TV Thank you. I appreciate the reply!
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 6 месяцев назад
He wasn't born in Velikie Luki nor in Warsaw but most probably in Pinsk or its close vicinity ( his Russian mother, Antonina Owsiannikowa originated from this area and teached at elementary school in Pinsk ). Through the ages Pinsk was located in centre of Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth and in 1918 - 1939 became a town in new-born eastern Poland. His place of birth is used purely for political reasons. Warsaw is used to emphasize his Polish roots while Velikie Luki by supporters of his Russian origin. He specified Warsaw as his birthplace in some official army papers but it is a lie. Perhaps he felt it will make him more important being born in a big city than in some small town or village. It is even very common today. Many people are very proud of being from a big city and falsify official records. Whole Rokossovsky family ( including grandparents and uncles ) moved to Warsaw from Velikie Luki most probably in 1901 when young Konstanty was about 6 years old - it was his first visit to Poland proper and to Warsaw.
@alessandromienandi1473
@alessandromienandi1473 Год назад
To add insult to injury, after the war Stalin made "Rokossowski" the Marshal of (Soviet occupied) Poland. The poor man helplessly "supervised" repressions against his own country, which claimed 1.8M people.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
He didn't supervise repressions against Poles, sentences were delivered by Polish courts with huge representation of Polish Jews from the east. On the contrary he was attempting to save many people. He was promoted to Red Army Marshal in June 1944 ( that is before the infamous Lublin Manifesto of 22 July 1944 ) and from 1945 served in Legnica ( in south-west Poland ) as commander of Northern Group of Soviet Armies. He was nominated to minister of defence of Poland only on request by Polish authorities ( puppet, but anyway Polish, not Soviet ) in 1949 and served until 1956. Upon his arrival in Moscow in 1956 he was immediately proposed to become minister of defence of USSR upon one condition: condemnation of Stalin. He refused Khrushchev and stated he can't condemn general commander, true father of Soviet victory.
@Дмитрий-х9з4г
@Дмитрий-х9з4г 4 месяца назад
Не пишите бред если не знаете. Или вы последовательГебельса? Чем больше вранья, тем больше в неё поверят.
@Дмитрий-х9з4г
@Дмитрий-х9з4г 4 месяца назад
Вы правы ,Рокоссовский не стал поливать грязью Сталина. Он ответ, что Сталин для него Святой.
@HelenGordon-Wilson
@HelenGordon-Wilson 6 месяцев назад
Would love to have enjoyed this, but the appallingly bad sound provision on this programme resulted in me giving up watching it..
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 6 месяцев назад
Seemed fine to me
@louisburke8927
@louisburke8927 Год назад
Two words, Zhukov and Rzhev
@WW2TV
@WW2TV Год назад
Which we have talked about on WW2TV
@louisburke8927
@louisburke8927 Год назад
@@WW2TV Sorry I should have mentioned that. :D
@m60a3tts2
@m60a3tts2 2 года назад
33:54 Rokossovsky organized four fronts? No he didn't. Operation Bagration was conceived, planned and executed by the Stavka. Rokossovsky simply followed the plan in his role as commander of 1st Belorussian Front.
@rigosake245
@rigosake245 2 года назад
He actually did. It was his idea to attack the German Army Group "Center" on two different points, instead of one. These is a story you can read everywhere in the memoirs of other generals of Stavka at the time, where Rokossovsky suggested that strategy multiple times and that Stalin sended him two or three times out of the room to reconsider and each time he returned claiming that they should go with that strategy and that his determination in that situation persuaded Stalin to go with his plan.
@m60a3tts2
@m60a3tts2 2 года назад
@@rigosake245 This conversation you refer to solely involved operations in the 1st Belorussian Front sector. Rokossovsky's own memoir stated "Our proposals regarding an offensive by the Front's left wing forces on the Lublin axis were accepted, but the decision about two attacks on the right wing received criticism. The Supreme Commander and his deputies insisted on launching one main attack..." This had nothing at all to do with missions to be conducted by other fronts. That responsibility fell to the Stavka.
@johnthomson3643
@johnthomson3643 2 года назад
sure i agree he is a good commander. however the standard of soviet officers below was poor. 27 million dead. yes hes an excellent front commander but so were ivan bagramion malinovsky and when he got a front command after chernikovskys death good commander too alexander vasilevsky. my favourite soviet general. zhukov was a brutal map bund commander a political general who cost th lives of millions of men and women . however he was a military professional and he got the red army as efficient as he could and bagration is the greatest victory of the red army and the allies combined.
@Дмитрий-х9з4г
@Дмитрий-х9з4г 4 месяца назад
27 миллионов это не военные потери. Тут и мирные жители, умершвленные в плену намеренно,. Боевые потери Красной Армии 11,2 миллиона человек. Уже всё давно подсчитано.
@konstantinrokossovsky1467
@konstantinrokossovsky1467 2 года назад
The guy with the hat bringing Montgomery at every turn is super annoying.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
Well as the "guy with the hat" Given I host all the shows, I guess you won't be sticking around lol. In all seriousness I refer to Monty a lot simply because it gives the viewers a frame of reference. There are plenty of people for whom the Eastern Front is a new subject, making comparisons to a figure they know already is helpful
@konstantinrokossovsky1467
@konstantinrokossovsky1467 2 года назад
@@WW2TV ok. I was rude. Sorry. I'm not sticking around but I recognize I was over the top 😂
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 2 года назад
@@konstantinrokossovsky1467 No worries, but consider sticking around. We have lots of great content you might enjoy
@konstantinrokossovsky1467
@konstantinrokossovsky1467 2 года назад
@@WW2TV deal 👍🏿
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 6 месяцев назад
Both marshals met in Wismar on 7th May 1945 in Montgomery's HQ and then 2 or 3 days later in Rokossovsky's HQ. During first meeting, Montgomery gave a wonderful speech praising great achievements of his Soviet friend. He stated that his victories in Africa and elsewhere ( I wonder if he mentioned about operation Market Garden ) can't even compare to great battles won by Rokossovsky. But afterward he said quietly to his British and Canadian companions: "such a young and energetic marshal, but suddenly east of Warsaw became very tired". I have no idea if it was translated and passed to Rokossovsky.
@ZaK47-d4s
@ZaK47-d4s 2 года назад
Trotsky though an egomaniac and ruthless ought have ordered a coup de ta by the Army in 1926 but was not ruthless enough .
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 Год назад
17:00 MOTIVATION. You miss the most important factor. His motivation was Polish patriotism on which he joined Imperial army in August 1914 along with his Polish cousins and backyard friends. The 1941-45 campaign was just 27 year delay of his dream come true, overcome main enemy of Poland which was Germany, who at this time was executing its extermination plan against Polish nation, and he succeeded in it perfectly. Rokossowski first delayed, put a stop and finally dismantled German plan against Poland.
@jeffclark7888
@jeffclark7888 8 месяцев назад
This guest speaks too rapidly and slurs about 40% of his speech. Absurd. Click off.
@WW2TV
@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад
Not true, but thanks for the comment
@daddust
@daddust 3 года назад
Rokossowski was a Soviet viceroy, thoroughly Russified. Nothing Polish about him apart from genes. As minister of defense and vice premiere of Poland he talked with his soldiers and CC members in Russian, making it clear where his allegiances were (he did know Polish because he finished high school in Warsaw). He is also complicit and/or directly responsible in the violent suppression of Poznań riots - tanks in the streets mowing down protesters. He completely sovietized the Polish army and is also complicit in the treatment of war heroes who had served in the underground or the west - many of whom died horribly. And we could mention what happened with the Warsaw Uprising with Rokossowski sitting outside it. A terrible terrible man who might have been a great military leader but so was Genghis Khan and Atilla the Hun. He brought liberation from one gangster band of murderers to change it into oppression by a slightly less genocidal gangster band of murderers.
@Lechoslaw8546
@Lechoslaw8546 2 года назад
You are totally wrong. He was 100% Polish patriot, strongly attached to his identity. Ile ty masz lat, 10? Dobrze ci radzę chłopcze, nie zabieraj głosu jak nie masz pojęcia o temacie.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 6 месяцев назад
Total nonsense. Polish was spoken at home during his childhood in Velikye Luki, however his mother Antonina Ovsiannikova spoke in Russian. From 1901 to 1914 he lived in Warsaw and attended schools in which Russian was the only official language. His schoolmates used Polish or Jidish ( about 40% of population of Warsaw was Jewish at that time ). Certainly his Russian was more fluent than Polish. He attended 2 trade schools in Warsaw but never graduated due to lack of funds. He was sponsored by his two wealthy uncles but after their deaths was forced to work to earn money ( father Ksawery expired in 1902 ). He is not responsible for suppression of riots in Poznan; in fact he opposed using tanks in the streets. He never sentenced any Polish patriot to death but in some cases had no choice when tortured prisoners confessed their guilt; in such cases he approved some death sentences. On 15th September 1944, when centre of Praga was finally liberated, he approved order by general Mikhail Malinin, chief of staff of 1 Belarussian Front to cross Vistula. 3 such bridgeheads were formed using 1 Polish Army under general Zygmunt Berling but all of them were annihilated with loss of about 3000 soldiers. On 19th September some troops from Czujkov's army were ordered to cross the river on the next day and support collapsing Czerniakow bridgehead but on 20th order was cancelled ( most probably due to Zhukov who arrived with visit on 20th September ). He was certainly a Polish patriot but also a dedicated, true communist. There were more men like him in the past. Best example is 100% Pole Feliks Dzierzynski, founder of Czeka, communist and friend of Lenin.
@daddust
@daddust 5 месяцев назад
@@mecx7322 Może sobie poczytaj o tym jak rządził w Warszawie. Słowa nie mówił po polski. Nienawidził Polski. Nienawidził Polaków. Zrusyfikowany niepolak. Zsowietyzowal wojsko polskie do cna. Najważniejsza była przysięga wobec ZSRR.
@mecx7322
@mecx7322 5 месяцев назад
@@daddustSam sobie poczytaj cos oprocz ultraprawicowych pisowskich pseudo-historykow z zaklamanego IPN, Instytutu Pileckiego,itp. Mowil poprawnie po polsku; w domu w Wielkich Lukach i potem w Warszawie mieli liczne polskie ksiazki. Mlody Konstanty znal na pamiec rozne dlugie wiersze polskich klasykow. Cala rodzina Rokossowskich przybyla w 1901 lub 1902 do polsko-zydowskiej Warszawy, aby sie spolonizowac, choc byla rzecz jasna mocno zrusyfikowana. Ojciec Konstantego, Ksawery mowil do syna po polsku. Po wyjezdzie do Moskwy w 1956, do konca zycia prenumerowal gazety "Trybuna Ludu" i "Zycie Warszawy". Zawsze chetnie szukal kontaktu z polskimi oficerami przyjezdzajacymi do Moskwy ( np. z Jaruzelskim ) i rozmawial z nimi po polsku. Nikogo nie nienawidzil: Stalina za 3 lata gulagu, Zukowa za to ze wygryzl go z 1 Frontu Bialoruskiego i zdobywania Berlina, Gomulki za zwolnienie ze stanowiska ministra obrony w 1956. Nawet o wielu bylych przeciwnikach, marszalkach i generalach z Wehrmachtu, wyrazal sie z duzym szacunkiem. Tym wlasnie charakteryzuja sie ludzie duzego formatu o wielkim sercu, prawdziwi mezczyzni; nikogo nie nienawidza, nawet tych od ktorych doznali krzywd.
@Дмитрий-х9з4г
@Дмитрий-х9з4г 4 месяца назад
Вам уже ответили знающие люди. А вы всё желчью изходите. Правда не соответствует вашему мнению😅
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