Rolex Sub Homage Across 5 "Tiers" - Tevise, Invicta, Phoibos, Steinhart & Ginault - Perth WAtch  

I love how your watches are synchronized

I had them all, Tag, Omega, cartier, Rolex, before I got ill. Now there all gone. Here's a tip for all of you. My watches where in the watch box more then on my arm because I was afraid that I would damage them. Buy a watch that you can live with every day, like a Invicta or Seiko that will not make you cry if you damage it. Eamon in ireland.

Hi, my name is Fernando and I have recently purchased a Phoibos Reef Master after watching a review video. Unfortunately after receiving the watch I realised the bezel was misaligned and it was way off on accuracy running at + 56 s a day. After having the watch for 7 days (purchased directly from Phoibos website) I wrote to their customer centre to notify the defects and was honestly expecting first for a replacement or second for the watch to be shipped back and properly fixed, however the first response from Phoibos was that there was nothing wrong with the watch, I was probably looking at the bezel from a angle and also that I didn’t know how to adjust the watch. I was really surprised with their response and told them to look at the video I did on their Facebook page and they came back saying that they couldn’t see anything wrong. I did a second video showing better the misaligned bezel and had a bunch of comments saying they it was clear on the first video but still, I tried again. After many emails and videos sent to Phoibos they in the end told me that I could try to force a bit of back play on the bezel to realign and still insisted that I should try to set the watch again for accuracy (I am a watch collector for 20 years, feeling like the stupidest person in the world at that moment) But if I really wanted it looked at that I could send the watch back. As last, unfortunately if you have any problems with your watch you have to send it to China and can not declare its value as more than 30 dollars or it won’t get through China customs and also that they have no responsibility if anything happens so in summary if my or your watch doesn’t get back to them you only receive 30 dollars back from your insurance. Yes, what to do with that money. I just think it would be nice to let people know my story so that they can think twice before o buying a Phoibos or they might end up with 30 dollars Kind regards Fernando

nice review mate. I really enjoy your balanced and calm vibe when reviewing watches. I have Seiko & Tudor divers mostly and the Steiny OVM and Maxi Dial OVM and they are both great! they're fun to wear. no issues with them, other than the clasp, which works fine but is a pain to open, but I've put them both on leather straps anyway. thinking about the 39mm version now

I have the Invicta 8928 with the coin edge bezel. It was disappointing to learn post-purchase how belittled that watch is as a shameless homage to the Rolex Sub. I've decided to make my peace with that and enjoy it for the reasons I bought it in the first place: it's a handsome watch (precisely *because* it so closely apes the Rolex), it's got a decent automatic movement, and it has inspired my interest in horology. It's been a sturdy, reliable performer and especially because I got it on sale for $57, I still consider it to have been a worthwhile purchase. Agree however that the lume is underwhelming.

Steinhart ovm version 1 gets my vote.

Honestly the invictaa 8926 is great value for money for a daily wearer. It's something you can wear without worrying as fixing anything is relatively simple. Of course what you might find as a let down are the following; the hollow end links can cause a rattling if not adjusted with new spring bars every few months, the crystal is easily chipped or damaged and the clasp I found can break but is able to keep functioning comfortably (unexpectedly). In summary if you like adjusting and messing with your watches you'll be pretty happy with what you get and any issues can be dealt with.

A $22 watch that claims to be COSC-certified. Seems legit

I love that u set all the watches to run together!! Even the second match 😮!!

Well done review. You did this several months ago but I just watched it. Thank you for pulling these comparisons together.

My Invicta 8926 was bought as a bargain ex display, slightly scratched bezel. Less than 40 quid. Its performance befits a watch 3 or 4 times its price. I don't care for the Invicta marketing but it's an old Swiss watch brand so I don't hate it. I love it. Very accurate. Good lume on hands and bezel pip. Indices lume is poor. Seiko movement 24 jewel. Display back. Looks awesome. Less than a basic g shock. Amazing watch.

Invicta is a seiko nh 35 movements which is awsome. Hand winding hacking. Seiko. Used it in water & swimming. Awesome. Better tyen my Seiko 5.

I've owned a #Steinhart Ocean One Black Ceramic (42mm) for several years now and I love it. I also own a Rolex Deepsea Sea Dweller and I still keep the Steinhart in rotation. It's well built, comfortable, works great (ETA 2824-2 movement not the newer one) and it looks awesome.

Great review. I have several versions of the Invicta pro diver & like them all. The only problem with Invicta (to me) is they never tell you where any of their "factories " are which leads me to believe that there are none.

Them all being synchronised makes me strangely happy

Great video and overview. I have the Steinhart in the OVM 39 version. If you are interested in buying the 39 get on the Gnomon Watches notification list as they will be back in stock in the spring. Cheers.

Great review! The problem I have with the Ginault aside from the odd pricing (and too high even if you get this arbitrary discount) is that it is a mystery watch. They can't or won't explain the movement nor their USA made claim. I cannot call it the best as who really knows what you are buying. If they had clear pricing like Steinhardt and were honest about the watch then maybe I would reevaluate its status.

Ivan, this is the first of your videos I've seen, and I must say I really enjoyed it. Also enjoyed the interesting comments you garnered over the 7 months since you put it up. I don't really have any complaints about your evaluations at all -- very thorough -- but do wish you could have included the MKII Nassau (I know, I know, you didn't have one to use). And also another line I've seen that looks quite nice, the Swiss-made Revue Thommen: I'd have loved to see it compared side-by-side with these other watches, particularly the Steinhart. The U.S.-assembled (Swiss mechanism) Nassau is about $900 with no date, the Revue Thommen about half that.

Thanks Ivan, you're right the Ginault is very nice, the problem for me is that I could have the OVM, Phoibos, and an Invicta to mod for a similar amount of money. The OVM comes in a 39mm now, which makes it more attractive and my 007 is just a really nice watch. Love the Ginault, but even at 850, I just couldn't justify it. To many other nice offerings.

Love the Steinhart OVM. One of the few watches I've sold and re-bought (since replaced w a Certina DS Action) Got the new Phoibos PY007 and Tissel Marine incoming to compare (and may both go back after owning nicer Sub homages). Glad to see some other options for a Sub here.

Nice to see them all lined up, thanks for the video. My choice would always be to save and save and save and get the real deal. It's a watch for a lifetime and an icon that will never die.

I bought the Tevise a few months ago as a bit of fun - it's amazing for the money but obviously does not stand up against the others in this review. I've also bought the latest version of the Phoibos and I love it. Quality is excellent (although I agree weakest point is the clasp). My Phoibos also has the octopus logo on the dial, which I love. I know some people hate the octopus tho.

Great review...I have the Invicta Pro Diver, no complaints, keeps great time and it's one of my favorites. I also have one of the first gen Ginault, I bought it as I just sold my Armida Mil Sub and bought the Ginault for its build quality and the glide lock clasp. Can't fault either for my needs as they both are solid. I might get a Steinhart 39 Vintage Red for its "Acceptable" status of homage but for now I'm happy with just wearing what I have. Btw I don't regret what I paid on the Ginault, I've paid more for a Mark || that I never personally bonded with. Wear what makes you happy.

I've got the OB Invicta and I love it. Nice heft, Seiko movement and very accurate.

Great video! Love the Steinhart! Love from Philadelphia Brian

Perlative Cerenometer... Might as well inscribe Superlaxative Ceremonial LOL

Great comparison....great channel!

Nice selection of watches. After seeing quite a few reviews of the Invicta 8927 OB watch which many seem to like with few dislikes except for the watch snobs I have just ordered one from Amazon UK which should arrive in the next three days. The clincher for me buying it was it having the Seiko movement which is hackable and from all the reviews I have seen very accurate. The price was also another clincher at £69 reduced in a sale from £92, a bargain at that price and half that I would pay on Amazon for a Seiko 5. As I don't particularly swim or dive with a watch the water resistant is not an issue. I wear a watch because I enjoy them, even the Seiko 5's that I have. Thanks for posting this interesting review of these homage watches.

I like and subscribed because you are thorough, detailed and include reference material that follows your video and shifts on index. Easy subscription decision and work ethics like yours should be rewarded!

Tevise - "Perlative Ceronometer". Classy.

Thanks for the review

They must have improved the Tevise. Mine I just got is black coated metal with a black, maybe anodized bracelet, and a one pusher clasp lock. The only thing I have to complain about is the rotor of the moment. It needs too much force to rotate so it's pointless to put it on a wonder - it won't rotate and wind the spring that way. You really have to shake it strongly to make the rotor move. Also the bezel alignment is OK on mine (it's usually a matter of the inlay being aligned properly before glued on AFTER the bezel is mounted). I don't see the advantage in a 120 click bezel when all you do is timing by minutes, 60 clicks is just fine.

Good vid, i've got the Steinhart OVM mk1 with the 200m on the face and case back, keeps great time and looks the part too. The bezel is the best looking one around with all second markers, wish more manafactuers would do the same. The OVM, so simple and basic looking it's stunning.

It is difficult to consider the Ginault due to the lack of transparency involved. I went with the Steinhart. There are a couple things that they could have done better, but it isn't a major issue for me.

I have the Phobos great white, I didn’t buy it an “homage” a term that is new to me I just wanted a robust good looking dive watch. So far I am really happy with it. It did stop once on me, but I unscrewed the crown and Han wound it and it has been fine ever since. The bezel is really good better than some more expensive watches I have looked at, I was very tempted by the Steinhart but I think the Phobos is better value. Around the same time I also bought a Certina titanium DS action diver and that is extremely good too.

great video, nicely done sir! 👏👏

Great review Perth Watch, you kept me interested the whole time even if I am not into homage pieces. I definitely am of the opinion that Steinhart offers the most quality/dollar (in spite of the bracelet).

Inventory & storing of inventory counts toward origins. I have calculated many items in trade sales.

Fantastic review. It was really nice to see all of these in one place, going head to head; I especially liked the spreadsheet at the end. Thank you for a great video :)

thanks for the review. I'm leaning towards steinhart ocean 1

Nice review.. My favorite homage is the Giganet Sea Ground G2 007 Vintage .. Quality build and performance and look on the wrist. for 190USD .. In my opinion on par with Steinhart..The only down side is the mineral crystal.. That said good for 300m

Most informative, thank you.

My newly purchased invicta (same model as above ) has tendency to stop despite proper energy reserve, any explanations?

HARD to beat the reliability of an Invicta Automatic, they virtually go on forever...

Great job Ivan!

Entertaining video 👍 thanks Ivan 😁

The invicta is on sale for 54 and has a Seiko movement a steal at that price

Does the tevis function properly when swimming at a depth of 5 meters?

Have the steinhart ovm 1.0. Just love it. The style, the quaility is great from 2014 not served yet but still keeps great time. 👍

Hi... Any thoughts on the Phoibos and Tissel homages?... How closer or less close are these to the real thing than the Stainhart?

Great Review!

This Video is simply DOPE! Thank you for such amazing insight! :D

I have owned many different Incicta watches over the years and most of them being bought used from the pawn shops. That being said I have not one single complaint on any of Invicta's watches. There are of the highest quality for the money I've spent. I have owned Tissot, Tag, Omega, and Movado and my favorite watches by far are all Invicta especially their Swiss automatic movement's on certain models. I have recently bought and Android model ad553ak with a solid tungsten case and saphire crystal front and back. This is a far superior watch to anything I've owned so far including my fine Swiss time pieces. This watch is nearly indestuctable and is about 99% unscratchable in both the case and the crystal. Please do a review of these watches they are slightly higher priced with used ones around 150-200 USD but I think you'll find an amazing watch with some high end features at a reasonable price!!!!! Thanks for the great reviews by the way and I'm definitely going to give steinhart a try after seeing your comparison here!!!

I have sold under NAFTA for decades. Its in the details of how that is calculated. What is added in, ie warehousing, inventory, even workers uniforms get into calcs. How long inventory is in said country, list is long.

Invicta have so many models it's impossible to distinguish them.

I have invicta pro diver. Bought new for $70.00. Love it. Only flaw I found was lume - common issue low cost. But i just can take to local watch maker & it coss between $50 - $70.00 cnd.

Would have loved to see the Squale1545 in there....

Great review

Hi, what is the best budget purchase, Invicta or Phoibos?

I recently bought the Tevise on the recommendation of another RU-vidr. What a disappointment. The case back was shattered upon arrival and after cleaning out the broken bits eventually got it to work. It gained a minute per hour and the power reserve was under five hours. I bought the one with the green dial so people would know that it was not a fake Rolex (I have never seen a green Submariner in real life). For the same price point, one could buy a Casio MDV-106. It is actually a water resistant diver that is not pretending it is something that it is not.

I believe phobies used to say the billions of dollars of watch parts made in Cina & shipped to Switzerland begs the question how much of Swiss made is truely Swiss. Remember the trade definitions of made in are very creative.

I want to try out a Tevise, am reluctant to go for any of the gold versions simply as some of these Chinese watches have like a painted on gold that washes off on a damp morning but I do like the Tevise automatic chrono in gold and black in a subbie type setting. I would love to know if the Tevise gold tone is resilient or not. Recently acquired with the intention of nicking the bezel and strap a Military Royale "subbie" homage, £13.88 for a automatic with overwind slipper, clean glass and clear date lens, bezel is metal insert and its keeping startlingly good time so its now a wearer with the only difference to the Tevise being a non sunburst black dial and the name.

I have a invicta 8928 coin edge runs at about + 5 seconds a day no problems for over 2 years. I would have liked to see the invicta Swiss made pro Diver with the eta 2824 for about 225 . A lot of upgrades over the cheaper Pro diver please consider doing a review on that walk thank you very much

You should look into gigandet! Seiko NH35a sub homages with 300m waterproofing, really hefty watch, great finishing, great bezel and accuracy for their 149€ MSRP. I would say it's the best value of all the sub homages, honestly.

I should be getting my Sewor soon. Its been over month since I ordered it.

Rolex is overpriced. All these watches have better value than Rolex Sub. You don't need to spend 8k-20k for a Rolex Sub.

Or Blancpain 50 fathoms homage, because i have heard a few people say the Rolex sub was a 50 fathoms homage?

Take a look at the Phoibos 300 m quartz diver. Model number -002. Best watch I have ever owner, most gorgeous, most accurate, best fit and finish, perfect size, amazing lume light blue. Love it. Cost? Got mine for $119 on Amazon. Awesome watch!

As Homages go, a primo replica should not be overlooked. Invicta the best of the lineup, 40m, comfy on wrist, and best Rolex look, NH mvmnt a winner and almost free ($80). Most do not buy any of the 5 to dive. Although quartz not mentioned, the Casio Duro Marlin is a beauty. Enjoyed and subed. JP in LA

I’ll take one of each!

Have you reviewed any monta divers? I love their sky quest offering!

I imagine you live in Perth Australia correct? Do you know if there are any SEIKO authorised dealers in the city? All I see is stores selling fashion watches.

Which one has the best mechaanics movement ?

how do you set the seconds on the tevise watch

Its all matter of taste and of course budget but If you know how to mod a watch, invicta would be a best choice all of these 5 watches or if you dont know how, just get a phoibos or steinhart.

Where do the Orient Ray II and the Parnis fit in this line-up?

What size bracelet do the Tevise use ??

Excellent review. I have two Steinhart. I ordered directly from the them a jubilee bracelet. I love that the Steinhart bracelets have screws. But they have a drawback. The bracelet I received was machined so tightly I basically had to ruin the bracelet to get the screws out. It was a disaster. Done by machine of course. Very frustrating. I made such a ruckus with Steinhart about it I think they are going to make good on it, but a huge waste of time n frustration. I got email from Mr. Steinhart himself. They need to rethink how tight the machines are winding those screws. It's a mess...

Also, there is a CORGEUT homage to Tudor BB with miyota non-hacking movement. The problem with cheap Asian watches like Tevise here are the main and balance springs. These are the most complicated part of any mechanical watch in regards of materials used for its production. It must be made of a special thermo and magnetic resistant alloys and must provide a constant vector of power when its winded tight or when its loose. a good balance spring costs at least 10 dollars to make and that what you will not find in a 20 dollars watch. Unless its a Vostok LOL

Regarding "Swiss Made" on the Steinhart. Only 60% of the final value of the movement, not of the entire watch, help qualify for the "Swiss Made" label. That movement must then be put inside a case in Switzerland. There are no rules on where the case or other parts has to be made. Other than one Swiss made wheel the rest of the parts in the watch could be Made in China and still qualify as "Swiss Made" under Swiss law as long as a couple simple rules are followed. To qualify as "Made in USA", every major part of the watch has to be Made in USA: the bracelet, the case, the bezel, the entire movement, the crystal, the dial, etc. The Made in the USA standard is far harder to meet then the Swiss Made. If you ask, Ginault is open regarding which continents their parts come from yet still receive tons of hate. On the flipside no one demands parts sources from Steinhart and don't question how such a super low retail price is even possible from such an expensive European country. In any case the true test of a watch is how well it keeps time and for a diver watch how well it holds up underwater. Ginault and Steinhart certainly do well for both.

Very nice review! My regards to jody!

Absolutely and without doubt, no one here would ever shell out the coin to sport an actual Rolex 5517 MilSub... so wear those Steiny OVM’s with pride and confidence!👌

what do you guys think about smart watches?

I own 3 Steinharts and can't recommend them enough. Fantastic value for money. Swiss made with a Swiss movement and great build quality. Just go and buy 1 before they increase in value due to ETA supply drying up....

The first one, as regular watch nothing more is it good?

Almost bought the tevise because I love all submariner homages but the perlative cerometer thing just made me burst laughing so its a no no it would just have been better if they put automatic thats it what a shame

I guess the Tisell Marine Diver would be somewhere in between the Phoibos and the Steinhart, but closer to the Steinhart than the Phoibos end of the scale.

Hi Perth! Is there any invicta pro diver model of different color with rolex submariner? Hope you can answer me!✌️

Great review Sir. I have the Ginault with the date and Cyclops lens. It is executed flawlessly. I hace three of these and the Ginault is definitely the best quality. I also have the Invicta Swiss Made pro diver, step up in quality there, but still the Ginault. Fantastic review.

So we're not gonna talk about the glitter clasp cover on the Invicta? No? Okay then... 😂

Nice... Thanks...

I would with out a doubt purchase an Invicta watch. Does anyone know how well their shipped and delivered or even perhaps their delivery system?

Does the phoibos have the same polish and shine as the tevise?

The trick with Steinhart. Remove the magnifying glass and put on a great rubber diving strap. Done ✔️ it looks great.

Another great video! I love how Invicta haters complain about the case branding yet if their beloved Rolex watches had no visible branding they would not even consider the watch.

I've only just noticed that the Invicta doesn't have the number 10 on the bezel, that's pretty bizarre

Steinhart watches are the best hommage available their 39 and 42mm fit and finish are outstanding their eta movements are as good as any on the market at a reasonable price point.

The Ginault was made by a Replica Modder, his name is Thomas Caddel. He makes in the last 10 years 5 digits replica watches.

Have you looked at Loreo as an inexpensive diver automatic. They claim German technology but its Chinese, though not so cheap as Tevise, about the same price as Invicta. I would like to know your opinion, if you know about them.

just picked up a Devosa Turnos, it's great quality and still expensive for me but it beats a 10k Rolex. Great vid sir.