Rolls Royce Vs General Electric - Boeing 787 Engine Options Explained 

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Did you decide ? Cash or credit ?

@@winwinniewinfield i went with the GE one. They had a good offer of 3500 months financing 0.99% APR

@@User007RD great, I would go for that too

On the 787. A350 and A330neo are RR exclusive.

​​@@harstoftRR isn't exclusive for 787 engines. Recently Thai is bought 787 with GEnX engines.

The Rolls XWB-84 engines on the A-350-900 are extremely reliable and economical. The new GE engines on the 777-X have had a string of issues. They should have been sorted out now but it's hard to know until after the 777-X planes actually start flying commercially.

​@@TheChiefEngthey had an issue with the compressors around 3yrs which have now been sorted out.

You wait until the problem with powdered metal affect engines made by GE............

I don't know how they did that, but they seemed to have a talent in finding the worst engine😇

Maybe they could if they compared better in the form of reliability and availability. The GEnx-1B really isn't bulletproof (especially on the 787-10 where it still tends to burn the HPT over time), but it compares very well to the Trent-1000. GE also gives their customers more freedom in where they want their engines serviced and overhauled. The latter is beneficial for customers with their own MRO. The RR engine is actually cheaper when considering the initial purchase, but for many customers, it's more expensive in the long run even if they were just as reliable.

I mean Rolls Royce is chilling with the a350

I hope not. They are already making their bucks with the a350's engines, which are exclusively Rolls Royce. I'm quite concerned about this new trend of "exclusivity of engines" on newer planes and the lack of competition that follows this. So I hope for GE to stay strong cause ultimately competition is good for all of us consumers.

@@Adrenaline_chaser GE had their opportunity to power the original A350, but blew it by declining to power the A350-1000 variant when it was revamped. From that moment Airbus knew they were in Boeing's pocket and went with RR. Now the B777X has been delayed for so long, and the A350 programme such an amazing success, its no wonder GE want some of the A350 action, but with Rolls having an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades promised before then, plus developments from the UltraFan being used for the Trents further down the line, I expect RR to stay ahead of GE and for Airbus to stick with them. And Boeing rejected RR's approach on the B777X. Im sure that GE was pleased at the time, but now they must be cursing their dependence on Boeing. That's life............

GE engines will be available for the A350 in the future.

@@John-nc4bl But by then Airbus wont need them. RR has an exclusive until 2030, and before then the XWB engine upgrades are due, and by the end of the decade the RR UltraFan will have diverted new technology to hopefully Neo the programme. Its only American carriers who need American engines, for home politics, the rest of the world celebrate free trade and are more than happy with their extra quiet and extra economical RR Trent XWBs. The A350 order books are already stretched, so Airbus doesn't have to rock the boat with RR, nor feel the need to spend millions of dollars to help GE to make the programme a success. Its already a great success, and unlike the B787, a money spinner since 2019. GE can whistle all they like, they rejected powering the A350-1000 in the first place, and now Airbus can just ignore them, politely of course....😀😀....

Unless of course the powdered metal problem catches up with the company..........

Thanks for the ad, Boeing PR guy. The 787 is horrible and I try to avoid it as a regular Eco flier as the 3-3-3 seating is way too small for a 188cm person like me with a broader than average shoulders. Can't sit in it comfy for 6 hours... Even the loud ass 77W is better. The A350 is the best model along with the 2-4-2 A330neos.

@@kingsharkoon not a Boeing sycophant at all. May be your above-average height intertwined with the carrier's seating configuration really made those flights ordeal. I have actually flown on Japan Airlines 787 from Tokyo to LA and it went just fine. I reckon you should factor in what airlines you are flying with to assess everything compellingly.

@@hungo7720Tbf JAL uses a 2-4-2 economy configuration which is what the Dreamliner was made for, sadly some airlines do try to cramp in as much seats as possible and therefore give it a 3-3-3 config

​@@kingsharkoon thanks for the AB informercial...as well ...

Thanks ChatGPT

Aviation International News reported in 2007 that this actually happened when early development aircraft with RR engines were changed to GE engines for delivery. The aircraft is reportedly capable of accepting the change, but the pylon-to-wing mount must be changed as well due to the differing weight distributions of the engines.

i believe Safran is already part of the GEnX program, as they designed the FADEC unit

the 787 is a very underpowered aircraft in comparison to the a350, so it does make sense

No, there are different reasons for that. The 787 is smaller (more flexible) and cheaper than the A350. And it was available earlier. Those are the main reasons for the larger number of orders. Not the fact that there is a choice between engines

No, that doesn't work.

Not sure why anyone would want that. And I would imagine it being almost impossible because you would need double the instrumentation for monitoring and controlling the engines.

Servicing nightmare.

Possibly yes. During development it was stated the aircraft could be switched later to the alternate engine type, and could even be flown with one of each. I suspect some commenters will vehemently dismiss such an assertion, but it was reported at the time via respected sources. Aviation International News reported in 2007 that an engine manufacturer swap does require the pylon-to-wing mounting point to change, adding cost to the process.

Both are relatively quiet inside. It comes down to personal preferences.

@@kkrsnn5632 It’s true but i don’t know in terms of safety if the 787 is ok?? I mean that Boeing suffers from many issues in the last decade.

The dreamliner is technically the safest plane in the world actually with no fatal incident and no fuselage lose (sorry for my bad english I'm French 😅) ​@fotismpalopitas7196

a350 has a wider fuselage, so you get wider seats with the same configuration, plus its dimmable windows get darker than the 787

@@randomwaffler it depends on the configuration of 1 and 2 the option of portholes with electrochromic functionality is an option in the 350 (they are not present in all the a350s in addition to being not very popular with the general public) and 3 the 787 is quieter than the 350

It is the other way round. GE refused the option to build and engine for the A350, as it would compete with the 777-300ER, on which theyhave a monopoly.

I am guessing that they would like to offer an American engine when/if they build their 350 Neo, as it would be more attractive to American based airlines and some others too.

@@paulroling1781 They must kicking themselves now that the A350 has received over 1000 orders and the 777 production has almost stopped, while the 777x has fewer orders. They could be getting a share of the A350 engine market, and possibly beating RR at it.

Forever. RR has an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades before then on all Trents, including the XWB. After that, RR will transfer tech from the UltraFan for a Neo version. The A350 is a sellout, soon there will be no delivery slots before 2030, Airbus can't make them fast enough, so why would they wish to go to the expense of certificating an engine option for GE, when its selling right across the world. The A350 proves that commercial widebodies don't have to sell in the US to be successful (I tip my hat to the folks at Delta though), just because US carriers don't believe in free trade. BTW, there are rumours that AA are about to reorder the A350, and United still have it on order. Perhaps that latter order might become serious after the events at Boeing. That company could drain any CEO's loyalty, even a US airline executive....

​@@mandandithe 777 reached the 2000 orders mark in 2018 with nearly 600 orders remaining, the 350 is at 1300 with 700 remaining and the 787 is at 2000 orders (including 1200 for the -9 alone) with 700 orders remaining. The 777x for its part 500 orders (knowing that it is an advanced variant of the old 777) which is very good for an aircraft not used in commercial service, in comparison with the 787 (with the record for the greatest number of orders before a marketing) was at ~800 orders even though it was a "clean sheet". So you have to think and research before speaking :)

The A350 is the success it is, because of the combination of airframe and engines, so why would customers wish to invest in the potential powdered metal problems with the GENX, which the FAA fear will soon affect Boeing aircraft......

Maybe for a A350neo. The certification costs mean it’s not worth it on the current airframe.

Why would Airbus want it? RR has an exclusive until 2030, and upgrades are due before then. After that, RR are transfering technology from their UltraFan to all the Trents, including a Neo version of the A350, so why would Airbus wish to upset RR when they're literally selling out of this aircraft. Very soon, there will be no delivery slots before 2030, so Airbus does not need the added expense of a pointless engine option. GE might have the ambition to power the A350, but they can whistle in the dark. Airbus doesn't need the US market either, and its American carriers who want US engines because its Americans who don't believe in free trade. GE will just have to stick with Boeing...😀😀...

Nonsense.

RR still not fixed.

In answer to your 2nd question. No, far from it. We ( Air NZ, I’m a kiwi ) have 14 787’s. All RR powered as we don’t have the -10’s yet. 3 are grounded as RR cannot supply either parts or replacement engines. So sadly no, nowhere near fixed.

@@eastpeak74 Cries in the downfall of British industry.

So many giving false info on RR Trent 1000 which is fixed & has had many orders since & that was 4 years ago ( Sad GE fanboys to blame ). Unfortunately there are now parts shortages affecting all the engine manufacterers including GEnx & GE90 with many grounded planes around thw world. RR produce the worlds most efficient turbine built so far & that`s the Trent XWB on the A350. RR are also going to re-engine the B52 bomber. They supply Trent 7000 on the A330Neo which is a bleed-air version of T-1000 & is doing well on sales too, so RR are doing better than ok.

The worlds most efficient turbine is RR T-XWB on A350. Trent 1000 is an older engine so not so efficient. GE9X will be later gen than T-XWB so will most likely become the most efficient when it enters service.

Depends on how you define efficiency? Consumption per kN thrust? If you only take consumption as an absolute number obviously the GEnX is more efficient, but also much less powerful

@@MrSchwabentier It`s well known Trent-1000 is the better engine for take-off up to cruise then GEnx takes over. Both these engines over the course of a mission are very evenly matched in efficiency. Trent-1000 is also the better performer at `hot & high` airports due to the efficiencies of the 3-spool design. I look forward to see if -1000 gets the UltraFan treatment before any of the other engines or whether T-XWB gets it first, probably down to AB or Boeings decisions to invest.

Marketing

A geared turbofan?

That has issues in hot weather?

But not a shareholder I hope....😀😀....

LATAM have switched to the GEnx for their future 787s.

We’ve had to switch ( Air NZ ) as 20% of our current RR powered fleet is grounded with engine issues causing all sorts of route cuts

777 (the original versions) had 3 options too

Because too many options isn’t a good business for anyone.

You lost all credibility when you said “always favour RR”

@@zachpackage GE engines are superior to RR engines.

@@zachpackage Once the B777X eventually goes into service, sometime in the second half of the decade, it'll be interesting to see how the GE9X holds up against the then upgraded RR XWB-97. GE are making all sorts of promises for their engine, but there is no sevice data available yet, so we'll see whether it passes the Emirates big mouth tests, or not...😀😀... edit: sp

They don’t build engines, so obviously it’s not their fault.

@MrSchwabentier I never said they build engines, I am smart enough to know their are multiple engine manufacturers though, many sell engines that do not blow up twice a week, they might cost more, but we all know boeing and safety and money right?

@@tylerdurden4006 so if Boeing doesn’t build engines what does Boeings safety record got to do with engines blowing up?

@@MrSchwabentier I believe I said it when they CAN buy ones that blow up but choose not to...no? You really didn't understand any of that? Lmfao murica!!!!!! 😂

That´s childish. The reason GE gets more orders is that it has twice the production capacity of RR and can more often offer better pricing. It´s always the price that makes the final decision however analysts like to talk of other things.

You get what you pay for !

​@@gregcavarra4807 don't forget that GE offers better quality, too 😎

@@rafaelwilks Let's see how well the B777X performs, I've just got a feeling that those engines will let it down. GE are making lots of promises about performance, but there is not one jot of evidence, because the type is not yet certificated and therefore there is zero data available for it in service..............

@@artrandy considering the GE9X has been more thoroughly tested than any GE engine ever has, with the proven record of superiority of the GE90 and GEnx, we can see where this is going 😉 there was a time once in the 1990s when most people were sure that the GE90 was a failure 🤔

GE just never got caught, you nasty shill..........

BS!

GE are the best engines. RR overpromise performance and fail to deliver that promise.

We ( Air NZ, I’m a kiwi) have 14 787’s with RR engines. 3 are grounded as RR have no availability of spares OR engines. So bring on the GE models.