Romania and the War in Ukraine | ARTE.tv Documentary 

Per capita? No its not pal

@@mihalygorog3398 gdp Adjusted for purchase power its higher Simple gdp per capital its a little behind

The "poor" country excuse keeps persisting. And most people, especially Romanians, fall for it. Purchasing power is the only metric we should consider when discussing salaries. 500 Euros in Arad, Romania is the equivalent of about 1000 in Lille, France for example. Are we poorer? Yes. However, if you poll the average Romanian, they think we're poorer than Benin. That's how things are portrayed on the telly. By most metrics, we're about 35th - 40th in the world for income..

Ăștia ne fac de tot căcatul,se comporta cu noi la fel cum o fac cu un scuipat, până când nu le trebuie grâu petrol porumb și toate ce produce Romania...

​@Dan D your neighbor in South is poorer I understand the feeling..

But what did they get wrong though? I mean none of what is said in this video is objectively wrong

@@mihalygorog3398 Some observations: 1. UDMR is not a party. 2. Rroma population don't dare to declare themselves as they are due to discrimination? Now, this is utterly stupid: could anyone from ARTE explain me exactly how this could work? A reviewer goes to the people's home and ask them all kind of questions, among them being the “nationality”. Everybody answer what he has in mind (he could say he's a Klingonian), the choice is registered and ...that's all. Afterward, who precisley will discriminate that people, which would be the mechanism? The government? How? The neighbors? As an ex-reviewer myself and friend of some rroma, I'll offer you another point of view: what about shame? A rroma man who is ashamed of his co-ethnics? Why ashamed? Well, maybe for the same reason I am ashamed of my compatriots who are trouble makers in western europe (lot of them of rroma ethnicity)? Have you ever made a movie about how many romanians keep hidden their nationality when abroad? Is there some reasons linked to a little bit of a discrimination? Oh, yes, of course, in some cases. And don't talk to me about dare. They dare a lot, believe me. And I don't say this maliciously, good for them. 3. Forcibly assimilated under communism? Well, that's another idiocy. Probably this happened with black people in USA who currently held the name “Washington”, right? ...and probably only to those with a lot of white skin on them, otherwise...it would be integration, not assimilation? Imagine this dialogue : - Whats your name, Sir? - Cornelius Kennedy. - And you are...? - American, of Irish and Swedish ancestors. - Great! But I can't help not noticing your quite dark skin, Sir. - True. What would be the problem? - No problem at all, Sir, it just came to my mind that someone might subjected you to forced assimilation, which is despicable. 4. “Many still live in precarious conditions”. That's true. Also the fact that many live in excellent conditions, way better than most of the rest of romanians (no matter ethnicity).And probably more romanians of romanian ethnicity live in precarious conditions. Well, another french obsession is “one of the most poor country in Europe”, so what do you expect, that ALL the rroma populations to live in luxury? Who has to provide for them such conditions? In France, all algerians and black people live accordingly? They feel no discrimination at all when every now and then they get in the streets destroying and put in fire shops and cars? (By the way, in some decades of my life I have never seen such tents in rroma communities, are you sure they are from Romania? Could you mention the location? Because it seems you'll always prefer showing tents than these: image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Feb2016/61771595.jpg ; nevertheless, the Brits spoke more often about ) 5. I really didn't see the link of all these with Ukraine and the war up there, but if you talked mostly about poverty and discrimination instead, let's try to find some possible reasons of that: - Romania is poor because never got to Africa to enslave lot of people and take economical advantages of that for decades. - Gypsies from Romania (way less in number than the western countries enslaved population) was not taken by force from a conquered territory, au contraire, they have “invaded” romanian lands. They were subject of discrimination (or, the way you prefer - MANY KIND OF discrimination) just like in all parts of the world same habits took place, with developed countries in top positions. - despite the fact that Romania fought for real in WW2 and payed a high price (unlike french, who managed to stay behind Maginot line and under German boot), finally we got under russian bare foot and communism (along the other half of eastern europe) because the powerful western countries didn't care about us, so they offered a pretty big reward to Russia, who started in fact the WW2 along Germany, but was betrayed and attacked by his ally. So we paid lot of war reparations to Russia, forcibly stayed in russian type communist heaven for 45 years, then paid off our entirely external debt (the only one country in history who did that) so...we are still poor, alright. But I wonder sometimes how would look France, or Spain, or Italy if it happened to them. I mentioned that because I haven't seen repetitive documentaries made by romanians about how aggressive (...russian style, maybe?) was France in the...not so far past, how many discrimination subjects french rulers applied to powerless population in the invaded countries so they managed to eventually avoid poverty (which is already a refrain in their song), neither movies about which method they used to totally eliminate ghettos (of not-so-white skin but totally french people) from their urban areas. Maybe roumanian journalists just didn't care?

@@mihalygorog3398 2 million gypsies?! Since when? Why not 1 billion? Or 2 billion?

​@@libertasetpatrie you worked a lot for all you said, well done, I would just add the problems starting after 1970 when in reality between 1970 and 1980 was the best life of all the time of Romania. My teachers, in Bucharest, use to pay a train circuit trip in Europe visiting all the European capitals. The later interdiction for travelling was due to the fact that all of this needed dollars and it was considered unfair for the people who were struggling for the debts payment to spend the country money for travelling.

@@ionelghiorghita688 Between ~1965 and 1980 the life in Romania was quite good, after 1980 Ceausescu's former "friends" (the West, IMF, etc.) forced him to pay the debts in order to bring poverty and restrictions in our country and stir up riots against Ceausescu.

''Romanian gypsies'' are still whiter than most of modern day French 😂it's only them who don't want to admit

Not ”the French press” but some 2-3 idiotic journalists.

@@dorinmelnic6001 Yeah it's sad that even Gypsies are whiter than the average Parisian citizen nowadays.

Karma made France a country full of Africans and Indians 😂😂😂

I'd say that the 10% is about right. Let's not forget that many choose to not report themselves as ethnically gypsies.

Like official are 19 million. In reality, maybe 15. A lot of Romanians overseas, did not declare that are not in country anymore / working in UE.

@@ezes7925 bullsht. Did you read what i wrote? Their own organization (partida romilor) counted them as 900k. Google it. Do you see 1 in 10 people gypsy on the streets? I don’t think so. And i travelled throughout the country. That they don’t declare them as such is also a myth. They are proud of what they are. Do you have a statistic to support that claim? Or is it anecdotal?

@@M4V3RiCkU235 what does it have to do with what I said ? Gypsies do not go abroad or what ?

@@wouldnt_you_like_to_know because you don`t believe that are 2 million gypsies in Romania. I`m just looking at the streets. Could be even more...especially in Bucharest / southern parts. Regarding Romanians overseas - how many did you that they declared that are working in the EU for example? Very few!

So true!

Why do you say that france does not recognize the existence of ethical minority? And remember that Arte is a German and French canal

@@trartalacrem France does not even have that concept. How many gypsies live in France one may ask. Only French people live in France the answer might come. As you could find our Romania has 19 ethnical minorities recognized by law. Some of them are 3000 people, but they are protected by government and are provided with lots of rights to keep their heritage. Yet the French lady teaches Romania how many gypsies live in the country, as she knows better how to count. The video is French made. What Western country's policy onto erasing someone's ethnical heritage do you want to discuss?

@@trartalacrem Western Europe has also a lot of teachings for Romania on how to preserve the bear population in the forest. They have no bear left in their forest because they killed them all. But what better satisfaction than to bully someone with your wise knowledge. Haha.

@@vladn. Pula mea! ... You don't answer my question. Why do you say that France does not recognize minorities? And it is a genuine question, I want to know because I am not aware of everything, And your answer is about.... ....bears?. And give me a break with your inferiority complex and victimization, I am not lecturing you or saying anything against Romania. Yes, they are some stupid racist people in France that look down at Romanians. I am not one of them, and Arte viewers are generally people that want to learn about others countries. Stop generalizing and caricaturing if you don't like when idiots generalize and caricature about Romania.

da dar in realitate nu faceti parte din Romania, asta pt ca inca sunteti spalati de propaganda bozgoreasca si ruseasca.. Poate dupa ce vor murii batranii vostrii mai aveti vreo sansa sa reveniti la adevarata Tara Romaneasca..

yea you are not a real country on your own, even though you try to be different

Simple. They are micro countries 😂

dude Belgium is hugeee...its like 1 judet or something :) Nu vi se pare ciudat ca "intamplator" tocmai acum s-au trezit si vesticii sa stie unde si cine e Romania ? Asha...intamplator nu ? :D

small ... compared to France , Germany , even Ukraine .

@@bulllea and they are nothing compared to china, usa, russia, canada, etc. So what's your point? She gave no frame of reference

@@kysfggt are you deaf ? 1:31 she said that is 2 times smaller than France . that is your reference ! my God !!!

Cresterea aia economica e mai mult propaganda, noi traim din imprumuturi si, oricum, nu se simte in buzunarele noastre, decat in buzunarele alora de la putere.

Cum se spune....pentru cine. Da?

🤣 lasă politica că nu te duce capul de loc, uită-te la iumor, auzi femeie vorbește de "strategic" ai auzit tu la televizor și asa o fi nu?

@@ferdinand8994 Ba, aveti unii niste atitudini, de parca nu aveti mame.

@@AlinJ. Mama își cunoaște limitele, cavalerule pe cal alb.

​@@ferdinand8994Interesant punct de vedere... acum le știm și noi pe ale dumneavoastră 😂

@@ferdinand8994 alo baiatu mergi si latra in alta parte

Even less. Maybe there were more, but they migrated (many to France) in the past 20 years.

@@ionbrad6753 yh not just france,also UK, Italy, maybe Spain aswell, also US the ones with some more on their hand to spend.

It's called propaganda. Not based on facts, but repeated enough times it starts to be the truth.

It's a westic propaganda ...i can see on more ,,prezentations" of Romania. Of course it's an exaggeration and the Romas ( Gypsies) are not discriminated in Romania or afraid to declare their ethnicity - as this presenter is lying.

It's like saying: "Surveys show that 6 milion people in France come from the Maghreb, but the actual number is actually 15- 20 milion."

UDMR is a party!

@@MyCristinaM fals, e o ciurda de vaci

I am surprised that you mention gypsies and the occidental treatment of Africa yet nothing about their treatment of the gypsies and why they didn't have as many as Romania compared to their population.

@@alexandrub8786 Do you know how does a french citizen of African decent feel like in France? They wish they would be Gypsies in Romania.

The Roma were...unfortunately not assimilated. The leftist idiotic idea that "preserving your culture" even if that is mostly a primitive, shitty one is cancer. Gypsies invaded these lands and have been a plague ever since. We would be glad if they would migrate West to those good Samaritans that like giving us lessons. Let them preserve their culture there, along with all the other "cultures" that shouldn't be touched - like the North African, Middle Eastern etc. They would fit better there.

Cred că sintagma de "occident civilizat" e folosită doar la noi, tovarășii vestici folosesc ideea de "democrație" sau alți termeni livrați de dughiniști în cercurile "disidente".

Exactly my thoughts...

I liked it but they propagated the myth that Bran Castle was Dracula's castle. Dracula reigned in Wallachia, Bran Castle was in another country, Transylvania, how could it be his castle? Also I don't want to dispute the Rroma numbers, but the map/chart that they used for the Rroma distribution across Romania seems a bit shady, making them look like a majority in a lot of places.

You know, everything's good is in Transilvania. The rest of the country is for them as Patapievici said "the place" were the Russians, Turkish, Tatars and others pissed along the time whenever they wanted.

Mai tarziu, romanii si-au extins dominatia si inspre est, in Muntenia si sudul Moldovei.

Din saracie sau din coruptie n-avem spitale? … Bani exista, sunt chiar multi, dar intreaba-te de ce nu trec reforme adevarate (mult-asteptate, de altfel) in educatie si administratie: prea multi baronași locali și-ar pierde scaunul, iar frumosii nostri parlamentari de insusi acest sistem parazitar sunt susținuți. E usor sa dai vina pe saracie; ea exista, e adevarat, dar nici chiar 70% nu traim pe minim pe economie si e aberant sa sustii asa o bazaconie. Pana si daca pui pe raft la Lidl iei 23 si ceva de milioane plus tichete de masă, asta necesitand sa fi terminat 8 clase. Salarul median (adica jumate castiga pana la atat de mult, cealalta jumatate castiga peste) este cam de 3500 RON. Adica 700. Adica jumate obțin peste. Problema nu e ca suntem saraci, problema e ca devenim inegali! Discrepantele dintre zonele urbane si cele rurale devin din ce in ce mai mari, veritabile falii sociale in care cei de la orase mai mari traiesc in alta lume comparativ cu cei din zona rurala, cupland asta cu cea mai mica rata de urbanizare din UE… mda.

@@diansebastian23 Ba chiar vreo 70% lucreaza pe minim. Stiu ce spun. Nu mai zic cati lucreaza la negru, sub minim, aia nu mai intra in statistici. Iei 23 o pwla, iei 23 brut care in mana, coroborat cu inflatia, inseamna fix un caca la oala. Nu stiu ce bati campii cu salariul median de 3500 de RON, cati ani ai, ca nu pari deloc pe subiect? Eu iti vorbesc de lumea reala si tu imi spui din filme.

There are no "trapped minorities": don't you get it they prefer to live outside of Romania? (Nope, you don't get it.)

it's more as the influence of slavic languages on Latin

@@stefanoanta3189 LOL. romanian is a latin language.

​@@stefanoanta3189 , dacă tăceai,filozof rămâneai.

Theres a theory tgat ‘romanian’ influence the romans. Definitely romantic, french n slavic

​@@stefanoanta3189 The Romanian language is closer to Latin than Italian language is. Slavic influence is below 10%

De ce stereotipuri? Adevaru e ca sunt tigani in romania. Macar documentaru asta o spus ca sunt o minoritate de vreo 2 milioane. Altii din strainatate, aia cu stereotipurile, zic ca suntem toti tigani.

Gresit. Ce o zis e corect. Uni in occident zic ca tigani si romani sunt aceasi. Dar asta nu e cazul aica. O zis-o bine.

@@robert4598 Asta e vina romanilor ca accepta denumirea de romi pentru tigani. Este efectiv un furt de identitate acceptat.

@@robert4598 E corect ca spune cum ca la noi, fiindca taranii is muncesc terenurile mici din jurul casei, ca fac "agricultura de subzistenta"? Aia e ce se face in Africa, unde abia cresc 3 cartofi la hectar. E corect ca spune ca suntem o tara saraca ca avem nustiucati euro salariu minim? De cand e salariul minim un indicator de bunastare? Ala poate fi setat de maine din pix, prin lege, la 5000 de euro. Brusc vom fi bogati? Cine si-ar permite sa plateasca un muncitor cu atat? E corect ca spune ca avem 2 milioane de tigani cand cifra reala e undeva la 600-700 de mii? Analiza este extrem de superificiala, chiar si pentru un video de doar 12 minute. Praf.

De cand ne trebuie noua validarea francezilor care au ajuns mai jos decat noi?

ReReUnite 😁

And Russian/Ukrainian language

I wonder if the Spanish people you are talking about also view the ex Roman Empire as a gypsy entity, because Roman is also very confusing with the word Romani (gypsy) 😂

@@dorinmelnic6001 Somehow, when they hear "Roma" they don't think of Rome, the capital of Italy, or of the Roman Empire, they only think of Romania/Romanians.

@@3wL7 Perhaps, but I don't think they need an IQ of 300 to understand that Romanians and Roma people are not the same

@@dorinmelnic6001 It is complicated to talk about in detail on RU-vid (due to censorship and the risk of being banned) but let's just say that there is a certain ultra-right feeling going on in the Spanish society and a nostalgia for Nationalsozialismus.

That may be true, but she refers to the standard of living and the minimum wage in Portugal is 740 euros/month wich is way bigger than in Romania. GDP per capita is a measure of 'work productivity', so to speak.

@@rolandnegrei1427 The minimum salary in Portugal is 887 euro and in Romania 606 EUR/Month. I would not say "way bigger" when you need to count that the prices are much higher in Portugal than in Romania. So pretty much the same standard living. Portugal has better public services and infrastructure but that's another story.

​@@rolandnegrei1427 bs , In Romania we have bigger Median Salary, don't talk if you don't know

​@@rolandnegrei1427 And yet purchasing power is the measure of real "wealth" No one cares if you make 300 'Monopoly money' more but you can basically afford the same things are me.

The issue is not comparing Romania to Portugal, but why is wealth a standard to compare countries. We don't say things like 'France, the laziest country In Europe', or 'France, the country with most street violence in Europe' first of all because they would find it insulting even if it is true. It is a way to affirm superiority and make their audience fell good about themselves.

Ce ti sa parut asa de balansat? Ca avem de fapt 2 milioane de țigani? De unde a scos suma asta din buzunar? Avem maxim 700k 600k declarați si maxim 100k nedeclarat ,pe urma ne vorbește in zeflemea ca suntem o tara de rahat mică si neînsemnată si multe alte batjocori dar se pare ca nu esti atentă la subtilități.

balanced? in Romania we did not kill or exported Jews, even dough we should have. Jews are not heroes in any book written before WW2 .

NO its not !

Cristina, you were my poor couison also, not only theirs. I am Romanian and I haven't been poor, not that it is a bad thing. But at least we don't degrade people in our country because they have another skin color.

They need us over the night and we are not poor anymore? Do you know how my french colleagues from SAP look at me when I go to work for a French customer? We are a strategic counter, fuck em we where the little paris 100 years ago and they aren't eve recognizing we are a francophone country? You find this balanced? Go learn our history.

vous etes totallement pas vrai, le salaire minimal est encore plus bas, environ 4 cent euros !

@@dand7763 Vous avez manque un ,,0" !

@@victormarian7889 its 612 euro gross and 390 euro nett minimum salary.

​@@3dfxvoodoocards6 bs look at imf , Salary in Romania is same as Hungary and slovakia, someparts ever much bigger, hungarians already do in Romania to Work

@@raduromanesti6408 the gross and net minimum salary in Romania is higher than in Hungary. Also Romania is less corrupt than Hungary and all its neighbors.

Not a criticism, but MK is not an American base. It is the 57th Romanian Air Force Base. Just the Americans outnumber the Romanians, I think. 😮 😅 All foreign troops in Romania are located on Romanian bases. And, as an American, I think finally putting troops on the ground in Romania was a great idea. Romania and Poland are clearly America's best and most reliable allies in Europe.

@@williamgreen575 you are completely right, and we are very grateful for the chance given to prove ourselves as trusted partners. USA military presence and support have helped our military step up their game. I hope our politicians will keep up with it in the long run.

Ma lasi cu "support"-ul pe care ni-l ofera SUA? Aia au venit ca sa ne bage in razboi cu Rusia si sa ne foloseasca pe post de carne de tun, exact ce fac cu ucrainienii acum!

Over 4 million as of one week ago to be exact.

@@madalinaanton3253 Yes, and she talked about some thousands!

@@MrQ454 Not ”some” thousands. She said hundreds of thousands. Your estimation mistake (from some to hundreds) is greater then hers (from hundreds to ~4 thousand) : )

@@ionbrad6753 hundreds of thousand in transit, you chose to read, very much like her... some thousand remained-after her and

@@MrQ454 Don't compare apples with oranges. Madalina referred to those in transit (apples). You replied her without changing the focus to those remaining (oranges). And, by the way, even for those remaining, the video says "tens of thousands", not some thousands.

Yes, but Ukraine hasn't returned those territories. So what does that say about Ukraine?

😂 Constantinescu?????

@@nouaranouara9939 tu chiar crezi că era în stare Iliescu să bage România în hUE s-au în NATO? Hai să fim serioși că cel care a inițiat procedurile a fost Constantinescu, deoarece a avut pentru câteva ore coițe de plev pentru a i se opune lui Iliescu, deoarece și acesta din urmă îl vâna pe regele Mihai cum a făcut Ceaușescu, că nu degeaba a fost și el ofițer KGB. Și chiar Constantinescu a recunoscut că era condus de Iliescu din umbră.

@@nouaranouara9939 Constantinescu a fost o deceptie, a facut atatea greseli incat lumea nu l-a mai suportat - nici n-a mai candidat, de altfel...

How didn't they think of that before? Well, they did. Actually, EU and especially Germany has been bullying Romania for 20 years to pour that gas on so called 'single market'. At the same time Germany imported gas at half price from Russia and kept for itself. How can one not love the single market?

Michel Jackson😂

I'm from Besarabia. You're wrong, it's Ukraine.

Moldavia is Moldovan Transilvania is Hungarian And wallachia is Bulgarian From Moldova independent

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Pretty sure the the Crimean war was before 1877, the Romanian war of independence happened in a Russo-Turkish war that the Russian won and where they wanted a more independent Balkanic countries but the westerners intervened in the peace treaty to keep a balance of power.

Thank you for your vigilance and comments which we have sent to our editorial team.

@@artetvdocumentary Thank you for your work, but I hope that in the future you will do a more thorough research! Best regards! 🇷🇴🤝🏻🇨🇵

Exactly.

Yes, the Russian tried that multiple times in Romania and failed.Slava Ukraini !

​@@cristiangaban960 mars de aici cu slava ta

@@cristiangaban960 Esti spalat pe creier de propaganda occidentala, prietene.

There are mistakes though...

We will not get into war with Russia!

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It's weird that you say you felt treated like gypsies just because your daughter in law was particular and romanian. I don't think you would say you were treated like gypsies if she was, I don't know, turkish. Romanians are often treated like gypsies but because we're white and westerners we can take it and often do, you don't have any idea how gypsies are treated like, subhuman would not encapsulate it.

She could be hungarian living in Romania. We are welcoming our guests always. Not the same are doing hungarian ppl living in Romania. Don't blame entire country because one rude woman.

I have no idea what happens inside your family. So I shall say only this: I am a man of 48 years old, I have siblings (2 younger brothers) and during my childhood we all benefited from all four grandparents, from both our father and our mother. It is the first time that I hear this (very strange!) idea that maternal grandparents are better than the paternal ones in terms of contributing to the nurturing of their grandchildren. As I have studied (as a hobby) quite intensively the Romanian folklore and popular traditions, I have to say that there is nothing in the Romanian popular culture that would even hint to such an egregious idea! Therefore, there are two possibilities: either your daughter-in-law simply invented this theory to suit her interests, or this woman is originating in one of the 19 ethnic minorities living in Romania, and she is presenting as Romanian some idiotic prejudice imported from another culture, in which she was raised.

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@@gobro2786 get your bleached brains out of here bot

Ce-i aia "rromani"? Un cuvant inventat de uneltele lui Soros.

Mircea, geographically, not really.

Only if you use another medieval name of Transylvania - "Vallachia Interior". Vous avez échoué en géographie ? Bran est situé à l'extrémité nord du couloir Rucăr - Bran, c'est-à-dire exactement en Transylvanie.

Ha? Branul nu e in Tara Romaneasca! E in Brasov!

​@@MyCristinaM uite-te pe harta sa vezi ca e la frontiera cu Wallahia istorica. Frontiera Brasov-Arges-Dambovita. Iar in Arges se afla adevarata fortareata/casa a lui Dracula, Cetatea Poienari.

@@itheicequeen e la granita pentru ca de asta a si fost construit castelul. Punct de frontiera. Dietrichstein! Si, nu inteleg, ce treaba are Poienari cu Bran? Si Mircea cel Batran a stapanit castelul la un moment dat, pentru a da privilegii sasilor negustori. Dar asta nu inseamna ca nu este in Transilvania. Cine l-a construit? Valahii? Ha?

Super tare ! Très artistique !

My guess is that everyone around you was miserable then so, by comparison, yes, you were feeling much better about your status and situation .Plus the community was tighter because most people were sharing their pain and suffering together. Now all your individualistic neighbours have shiny cars and iphones so the feelings of bitterness and nostalgia are amplified. "There are so many things on emag now and I can't buy them all! I feel 100 times worse than in 1988 when all the stores were emptied as soon they were restocked." A truly great leader. He is proudly applauding Xi, Kim and Lukashenko from the sky now.

​@@eduard476talking to the kind of moron supporting Vladidick Vladidickovich in RuZZia

How?

you mean The poorest and The dumpster in The world from Moldova independent 🇲🇩🤜🇷🇴💩💩

Boule

@@ingoditrust7784 V-au indoctrinat mass media si papagalii din politica.

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"Romania is the only country that has manuscripts older than 2500 years" Why do you believe all BS?

@@3wL7 do you know what a manuscript is? Show me a COMPLETE manuscript elsewhere.

@@nimenea Do YOU know what a manuscript is? Show us the Romanian "manuscripts older than 2500 years", please.

@@3wL7 how can i show you in a chat where you write letters? Go search for it . I told you truth.

Tu ești șeful ălora 44% 😂😂😂

O sa vedeti cum "ne apara" soldatii straini... Ei au fost trimisi nu ca sa ne apere, ci pentru interesele straine.