ROMEX Cable Support Requirements (2024)

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@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Need a cool work station like mine? Try FlexiSpot! 🌟 Use my code “24BDYTB50” for extra $50 off on the E7 Plus Desk! Trust me, it's a rare treat! FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4aM11Dg (US) FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4c6iasg (CAN)

@jimb9459 3 месяца назад

Thank you

@stphnalln 3 месяца назад

I wish everyone on RU-vid could explain things as clearly and succinctly as this man.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@loganmartin1682 3 месяца назад

Seriously I don’t even have electrician skill I’d hire anyone for anything hard but I still love this guy’s videos. Keep on explaining!

@erickrosito3659 3 месяца назад

I am glad he didn’t use the word succinctly in his explanation

@DoubleDoubleWithOnions 3 месяца назад

My head is spinning. But I think I got it. I'll watch it again tomorrow.

@weloveups831 3 месяца назад

This channel is awesome. Info is given in a straight forward way, without a lot of wasted words.😊

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much.. I have another video going live tomorrow about a very little know method of wiring 3-way switched.

@MyClutteredGarage 3 месяца назад

John, your channel is like an online electrician course. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate it!

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Wow, thanks Ed! Very much appreciated my friend.

@thomasglessner6067 3 месяца назад

Love the bonus romex tips. Always good to hear the code from different people. Thanks for ypur efforts.

@BryanTorok 3 месяца назад

Thank for removing the confusion. Again, a video very cleanly done without any extra fumbling around and no repetition and respectful of my time. Thank you.

@nooneyouknowhere6148 3 месяца назад

I started in 1981. I do not remember anyone even thinking about "service loops" until i started watching these youtube videos. Is that really a thing in some parts of the country? I have never experienced a situation where i wished i had a service loop. The idea has always been, keep the wire neat and out of the way of insulation etc.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

It isn’t a thing around here. ME, NH, VT, MA. But I hear that it is in the south. I have never left a service loop unless I knew something may need to be moved.

@ronblack7870 3 месяца назад

it's probably a reaction to having to do work on old boxes that were installed 40 yrs ago that have only 3 inches of wire so it's really hard to work in them. so people think well for the future electrician working in this box i will leave extra service loop. only reason i can think is if the outlet burns up and wires need to be cut back it would be good if there was an extra 6 inches in the wall.

@paaao 3 месяца назад

Service loops are for handymen, DIYers, and slack jawed yokels. The NEC states this pretty clearly. You just have to read 16 different sections of the code and cross reference them like a crossword puzzle.

@1djbecker 3 месяца назад

Much of the reasoning behind leaving a service loop has been obsoleted by Wago and Ideal connectors. You can snap three Wago Lever-Nuts on a cable with only 1" of wire extending. The 'splice' style takes only about 3/4", but I don't think any are UL approved at this time.

@SaltMinerOU812 3 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaineprobably the best places for those would be like ceiling lights I would think especially of the suspended ceiling variety

@jackpestaner6925 3 месяца назад

Excellent review, I may still fail my first rough-in inspection, but at least not because of cable stapling. Almost finished with a complete rewire to current code of my 2500 sq ft 100 year house that had functioning knob and tube. Really appreciate your videos, thank you.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful! I love being able to share my experience now that I'm retired. Thanks for watching.

@Icehso140 3 месяца назад

Funny thing...a service loop using a metal cable clamp to a metal box makes no sense. You can't get to the screws to loosen the clamp if you need to pull more. This is why we have so many changes to the NEC and why I have to spend 15 hours every 3 years in code updates. But hey...the pizza is free at our union hall. LOL

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Yup the dreaded code update. I took mine back Feb of 2023. I'm so early I sometimes have a hard time getting the new book. I was IBEW for about 10 years before I moved into electrical engineering. I still keep up my license though. I use an online update through Jade electrical education. I love it. I just plug away at it for a few days and it's done.

@BetterHouseProject 3 месяца назад

But it does make sense for the plastic boxes with moulded-in clamps, and that's probably most of the residential installs these days.

@nukiepoo 3 месяца назад

Yes you can have service loops at 1-gang NM boxes w/o clamps: you can leave a loop with a staple right next to the box opening. If you ever need that service loop slack, just remove the box and that staple is right there for easy removal. Oftentimes, we have need to convert a single gang switch box into 2, 3 or even 4 gang -such as for Lutron RadioRa devices. We prefer Allied's fiberglass box because they're easy to break out with a long nose pliers and the device holes are factory threaded unlike many PVC boxes. Started in the trade in 1975 been in business for over 25yrs. You and I are brothers in the trade

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

There is minimal bending radius to consider if the staple is close to the box.

@robmenzies862 3 месяца назад

in Ontario you are not allowed to put more than one cable under a support clamp. Also, service loops are manditory.

@Concerned_Citizen111 3 месяца назад

I don’t like nail-on boxes. They’re ok for smoke-detectors and maybe switches, but definitely not for receptacles. They can become loose over years of constant use.

@woodstream6137 6 дней назад

I have a finished garage with an unfinished loft. They have some plywood up there and some exposed area. The home inspector just assumed the bulbs were burned out, but the previous owners ran a length of romex up there and never connected it. If i understand this right: i only need to support the wire if i travel more than 4.5ft along a joist. I will need to drill a hole through a joist if i need to cross it. I need to leave 6in of working wire inside the box. I need to check the installed junction boxes for that part. I know they are metal, and installed in the ceiling/floor going to outlets. My goal is to replace the current lights with motion sensor, led, camera.

@BackyardMaine 3 дня назад

You have it right..

@woodstream6137 3 дня назад

Thanks

@aliso-pv7ll 3 месяца назад

Are the desk jockeys that write these codes former Soviet era bureaucrates?

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

🤣

@georgezofchak6684 3 месяца назад

Just goofs with too much time on their hands and wanting the consumer to spend as much as possible…….to this date I have not seen or captured a gremlin that wants to mess a move my lines…unscrew connectors….or wiggle line loose………

@russrockino-rr0864 3 месяца назад

I just staple at 8" or less. Then you don't have to worry about what kind of box you have! Thanks, Russ,29 years in the Electrical Trade.

@buzzsah 3 месяца назад

Question: A friend and I were both putting a small addistion on our homes, we live about 50 mile apart. Both have permits but neither of us are lic. Anyway he used WAGO on his connections and was passed by the town inspector, I asked my town if I can use them, and was told no, I had to use the twisted wire nuts. Both in same state, different towns. Hmm and why the differences?

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Some inspectors will try to force there on rules or maybe the town has local code amendments. They are legal to use in any states per the adopted NEC

@ezrabarahona5749 2 месяца назад

Brilliant course. Thank you

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.

@paulg444 3 месяца назад

Codes were once fantastic information that saved lives... And then over decades they grew and became absurd satires.

@wookieecantina 3 месяца назад

Wonderful video, thank you for creating and sharing.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

@thardyryll 3 месяца назад

Wow. Next time I have $700 and nothing to spend it on I will think about that desk. Briefly.

@doug8718 3 месяца назад

Excellent videos! I like that you are brief and concise...no time-wasting rambling. This illustrates how the NEC can be a little complicated. Requirements are spread in different areas.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thanks you.

@markusallport1276 3 месяца назад

My ex-boss was a cheap fu... he would get the cheapest supplies imaginable. We always followed code regardless of the crap we had to work with, and only 3 times did we fail inspection. There were 16 guys on our team, but one guy always decided to do stuff his way and got us ding'ed all three times. We hardly ever secured cables (romex), within 8 inches of the box, it was more closer to 6" and we never had an issue with that. Clamp in the box or not, 6" was our max for a staple.

@diytwoincollege7079 3 месяца назад

The standing desk is a code violation. The vertical corner radius on each corner is .0005 under the minimum spec.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Ok.

@markproulx1472 3 месяца назад

Thank goodness that we have eagle-eyed viewers like you to keep us safe!🤣

@jde1780 3 месяца назад

That measurement is only valid if you had a good set of calibrated eyeballs. Otherwise, 0.0" to 0.25"r is acceptable. The only requirement there is that the edge doesn't give cuts similar to paper cuts.😎

@dannyl2598 3 месяца назад

As such, cushion corner protectors are required when the table height is adjusted to within 8 inches of the noggin of a kind that occupies the space within a 24 foot radios of the center of said adjustable table.

@johnchinelli9959 3 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂

@tedbush1870 3 месяца назад

It looks like the romex is running through the middle 1/3 of the stud ? I work in the manufacture housing industry for many years, we could not drill in the center of the stud without a prosleve, but stick built could. I do like your videos.

@salvor1 3 месяца назад

not leaving service loops is just not a good idea. ie: 'tear the walls apart to add 2 inches of wire'

@dirigoelectric 3 месяца назад

I use a box of staples every 5 years since I bought a battery powered Milwaukee stapler. It was about time they invented them.

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

I want to try them.. Do they work well?

@dirigoelectric 2 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine yes. I originally had a dewalt and hesitated buying a Milwaukee because they came out a couple years later. But I couldn’t get staples for the dewalt during covid so I bought the Milwaukee. I use both on jobs. The dewalt seems to run longer( bigger battery) but the Milwaukee seems to drive them better. All in all the Milwaukee gets more use as I have multiple batteries for it and the guys prefer it. Money well spent for sure.

@dirigoelectric 2 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine and I use them steady for Mc cable in wood construction

@fritzmiller9792 3 месяца назад

Great video John. Best one I have seen yet of the dozen or so I have watched. I am probably a little giddy that you proved service loops are not legal (except of course when clamped and not over the 18" length maximum). I think service loops defeat the purpose of securing cables as the cable can accidentally be rolled out of the wall before or during the final enclosure of the wall. It's also very wasteful with only a incredibly slim chance of ever being used to 'save' time ( but that's another entire discussion). Bottom line, the service loops I have seen installed are almost ALL noncompliant. 👍

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you my friend.. I don't like them either. The big round loops you will see similar to the one I made in the video are always a code violation. The code change adding the 18" maximum cable came in the 2020 update. I think or it could have been the 2017. I'm sure it was made to limit service loops. I have another video going live this evening on a not so common method of wiring three way switches. Thanks for dropping by..

@GoCoyote 2 месяца назад

This was a better lesson than what I got in my apprenticeship.

@timgurr1876 3 месяца назад

These codes are always confusing, especially when there are additional requirements in another section of the code. Why is this additional requirement only for single gang boxes? Thanks.

@Bob.W. 3 месяца назад

Subscribed. Clear presentation. Thx. I worked as an apprentice electrician for Lymburner Electric, Bar Harbor, Maine in 1972. Enjoyed working on those fancy estates.

@jfbeam 3 месяца назад

You could still have a service loop, it'll be short and stapled right next to the box.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

You could but a small one and you also have to be careful of the bending radius restrictions.

@throughmylens5127 3 месяца назад

Was doing a remodel and outlets were in the walls without boxes.

@thomaskingsbury6560 3 месяца назад

Apparently the code varies across the country or the ordinances can have requirements above the minimum requirements in the code, for instance in Houston we cannot stack Romex on top of each other we have to use stacking blocks or brace between the studs and secure individually.

@davefoc 3 месяца назад

This was a very useful video that covered a lot of areas where I had only a rough idea of what the rules were. Thank you.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

My pleasure.. Thanks for watching.

@ellkir1521 2 месяца назад

Great job John. Contractor for thirty years. Had a tricky question for you. We switched over to a gas cook top range that only needed 110 15amp not the old 220 30 amp for the old electric cooktop. The power continues on to a 220amp Oven. The way I handled it was switched it to a four fuse sub panel bus grounded that had a added outlet on side of cabinet plus a fuse for the 220 oven and a fuse for the 110 cooktop using the feed from the original circuit. Another Contractor friend said the only problem with that is it doesn't meet clearance requirements of thirty inches clearance for a sub panel, since base cabinets are only 24" wide by 30" x 36" tall. Did I do the right thing or can I get tagged down the road? Running a dedicated 110 circuit would be almost impossible in my scenario since my main panel is maxed..The sub panel is now labeled as "under Island cooktop sub panel" in main panel not the old oven/stove label.

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Thank you. Spacing requirements for electrical panels listed 110.26 for a dwelling unit is a minimum of 30" wire or the width of the panel, which ever is greater. You need a minimum or 36" of free space in front of the panel. The hight requirements are 6'-6" or the top of the panel whichever is higher. There is an exception for residential panels less than 200A for hight but not for the width or the front.

@ellkir1521 2 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine Thank you very much for your response. I'll keep what I have since it's functional and a 1969 home. However, I've seen this scenario 20 years before since lots of people want to get rid of there 220 for a gas top like we did.. Any ideas how to overcome the issue of only having the 30amp 220 10 guage wire to work with? On the previous issue they dropped a 110 20 amp fuse in the main box in place of the 30amp 220 and kept only one leg but that's not a possibility and I'm still wondering if you can use an oversize wire on a 20amp breaker by wing nutting them together in panel to this day on that one. It passed inspection in 2000 but I'm still nervous to this day.

@StealthMode139 3 месяца назад

Ty always like to keep up with the new codes and technology. ET's never stop learning.

@normferguson2769 2 месяца назад

Alberta electrical inspectors are all looking for the service loop at the box. Not having them fails the installation.

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Many inspectors here in the US will make you remove them.

@normferguson2769 2 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine I have worked on old switches that only has 2” of wire inside the box after 40 years of changing switches/timers. A service loop would have been lovely. This still sticks in my mind 25 years later.

@jackl9922 3 месяца назад

I enjoy your videos. I’m not licensed, trained from people who are and DIY. Passed main panel replacement. However, I’ve made a few mistakes learn later on code compliance, but not concerned enough to go back since think safe. Since I am not licensed, I will not do for others. Fear liability.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you..

@snort455 3 месяца назад

Great stuff. Gracias. Keep in mind, none of this matters unless you like to do the job right.

@sstrick500 15 дней назад

I can't wait to see the 2080 NFPA70: "Cables shall have refrigerated lines along the total length." "Cable clamps must have a memory foam pillow on all sides." .... sheesh. Engineers just making stuff up to keep their job.

@joedelucia6719 3 месяца назад

Dude! You explain this stuff so well.

@JimYeats 12 дней назад

The nice thing is, at least for residential applications, as long as your electrical is fundamentally run correctly, and looks nice, neat, and tidy, 95% of inspectors aren't going to bust your balls over 8" or 12". Honestly, if you just applied "nice, neat, and tidy" to everything you did in a home, that will usually result in something that is safe and will pass code. Again, assuming you otherwise fundamentally understand the general application.

@rupe53 3 месяца назад

Just remember that code / passing inspection is like graduating from school with a D average. It is the minimum, and you can probably do better. The hard part is making those adjustments without violating another section of the book.

@mistersniffer6838 3 месяца назад

Jeeeziz cryst, FINALLY!! Thanks!

@mrcryptozoic817 3 месяца назад

Apparently, in my house the rule was "If you have staples left in the box, you haven't used enough". But there are only the bare minimum number of receptacles. I know because I was trying to add some.

@aspensulphate 3 месяца назад

"Trying"? Hmm...

@Samlol23_drrich Месяц назад

I just found your channel and I’m glad I did. Fantastic information explained clearly and concisely. Thank you. subbed.

@BackyardMaine Месяц назад

Thank you so much and Welcome aboard!

@chippydog2 28 дней назад

What about using these boxes in real wood logs? ( log home) I can’t find any articles on how to support the box or the wires . Also how do I secure the Romex to an ICF wall ?

@jay9308 26 дней назад

Can we figure out if #6/2 Romex is code compliant for a 48 amp continuous EV charger? Apparently the state of New Jersey allows this, my local jurisdiction does not. What other wiring methods are suitable for this application?

@BackyardMaine 24 дня назад

When determining amperage rating of NM cable or romex you need to use the 60 degree column. The would be 55A for 6AWG ROMEX. When sizing circuits we cannot exceed 80% of the continuous load. 80% of 55A is 44A so 48A would be in violation. You could run conduit and use THW or THHN. (#6 THW) has an amperage rating of 65A which would be 52A continuous. (#6 THHN) has an amperage rating of 75A which would be 60A continuous.

@DrJWR1 3 месяца назад

What is the actual PURPOSE of the staple just outside the box? Nobody is going to be pulling that cable in either direction.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

A few reasons for supporting NM cable. One is the cable sheath needs to extend at least a quarter inch into the box. Otherwise we have unprotected wires outside the box. The support helps the cable stay in place. Next supports actually help protect the cable by keeping where it won’t be damaged by screws or nails, pinched between the finished wall and structure, or come in contact with anything else that could damage the cable during construction or years later

@Nic7320 3 дня назад

A Firemen with a pike pole will, chasing a fire inside a wall..

@Honestandtruth007 2 месяца назад

Just Subscribed for your great info 👍

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Thank you! Welcome to the channel.

@vboutique2188 3 месяца назад

What type of cable ties can be used to tie together multiple romex wires for example in the electrical panel to make a clean install? Any particular brand? Or just the cheap dollar tree ones?

@RG-uz6wx 3 месяца назад

I would just neatly train and bend them without any of the plastic ties. They won't won't flutter around. And it leaves air space for ventilation and makes it a lot easier to trace if needed.

@Gruntled2001 3 месяца назад

Liked and subscribed 👍🏼🤝

@shaneharrison9609 3 месяца назад

How have we not figured out the right way to put this stuff in by now.

@jonboggio3323 3 месяца назад

Yeah, while code has some good reasoning, it is also a load of crap. When you can fish a wire and throw half the codes out. Just a way to strangle hold an entire trade with "licenses."

@TodayIWorkOn Месяц назад

What a great easy to watch video. Nice work. That 1/4" sheathing code is really hard to nail.... lol.

@BackyardMaine Месяц назад

Thanks 👍

@johnnyrico707 3 месяца назад

This is why I encourage all homeowners to not get anything inspected. I even offer them a discount.

@Weasel_NM575 3 месяца назад

🤦🏽

@ekimnosredna 2 месяца назад

@@Weasel_NM575don’t you love it when people broadcast that they do something illegal online?

@sebastianusami 2 месяца назад

Well that’s dumb..

@johnnyrico707 2 месяца назад

@@sebastianusami it is, but unfortunately I live in California. Some inspectors literally take pleasure in having a field day at our expense.

@kerrytaylor4366 3 месяца назад

So if you have an issue later you will have to rip the wall apart to fix it .

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

If everything is installed correctly and wired correctly, you will never have an issue later. I wire my home 26 years ago and I have had zero electrical problems.

@kerrytaylor4366 3 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine yes but there is millions of houses bought and sold ECT there are additions and such, there could be a fire or over load so please don't be so close minded or self centered because u still live in the same place you wired,as this isn't about you it's about everyone and please I'm not picking a fight.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

@@kerrytaylor4366 I'm not close minded. I just follow the code. Not supporting cable because you might have an issue someday is a bad plan. The supports are specifically designed to prevent the cable from being damaged.

@espencer83 3 месяца назад

Always great tips

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you..

@outofcontrol4499 3 месяца назад

Are there code issues related to the type of staple? I'm thinking of those staples with two nails vs the u-shaped continuous steel ones? I confess that as a DIY guy the "2 nail" versions are easier in cramped quarters.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Any staple will work as long as they are listed for NM cable support. The 2-Nail staples are fine.

@mjktrash 3 месяца назад

So for horizontal runs THROUGH holes, no extra support is needed. However, what about horizontal runs on TOP of things like ceiling joists? Even more complicated by runs at high angles to the joists?

@Utubeisazzho 12 дней назад

How about do you care about the person behind you too bad this city doesn’t care

@jerrydemas2020 3 месяца назад

John, So glad I am no longer working and the mind numbing code requirements. Fello 54250 from McClellan AFB.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Retirement is underrated Jerry.. I do want to take a trip to Sacramento at some point. I haven't been there since 1988.

@jerrydemas2020 3 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine I left McClellan in 1979 and went to Hickam. Tough duty lol.

@johnkulpowich5260 9 дней назад

Simple. Electrical step. Lot of code involved

@throughmylens5127 3 месяца назад

So an inspector can pass or fail any job depending what part of the book they read

@r7j7t7 3 месяца назад

Another remarkable clear and concise explanation. Thanks John. One question regarding staples...actually two. Sometimes NM cable is run along the webbing of engineered joists. The webbing is not very thick so the end of the staple might protrude from the other side and if one tried to use a red staple for two wires it would definitely protrude...which would defeat the purpose of using a longer staple (so I have never done it). Are there rules for that? Also what are the rules for avoiding "bundling" violations for NM cable?

@aubreyroche5080 3 месяца назад

Yeah, long time Electrician here too... Ha.. Some of the best times were doing custom Homes... Now I'm all Industrial... My Trade has been good to me.

@Satchmoeddie 2 месяца назад

Our local variances are actually tighter than the NEC's for a change. We have to staple NM cable within 6 inches of a box or fixture. No clue why until now. Rather than explaining no clamp boxes they just went with 6 inches for everything.

@Yummyfudge 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the content, especially for digging into the code and clearly explaining it. I actually paused the video and pulled out my codebook to see if I could figure out the code violation on my own before you explained it in detail. No, I didn't figure it out on my own, but I did run down "messenger-supported wiring". Learned something new! Also... the 2023 code does make some very minor changes to 314.17, but most jurisdictions are still yet to adopt it so :shrug:

@patmcbride9853 3 месяца назад

Thank you! I am going to run some 4/3 romex and didn't know if the rubber lined cable clamps that are attached with screws would be acceptable and don't want to be using large staples.

@LumenCache 3 месяца назад

This is by far the most concise explanation of the codes. You should be writing them!

@Mike-01234 3 месяца назад

I never use plastic boxes cheapo junk use a metal box cut good size hole in the drywall come back fix the drywall. When I got 3 quotes to change out my aluminum wire with copper all 3 wanted to use plastic boxes when I mentioned metal box they didn't want to use them. The reason I like metal boxes is one time a contractor installed a water heater he used wire nuts to bond copper and aluminum. The connection wasn't good and heated up the wire burned back into my wall the only thing that saved me was a metal clamp on a metal box where the wires were pushed tight enough to trip the 50 amps breaker. The aluminum wire burned like a fuse. If I had a plastic box it would have burned up into the attic caught fire I'm in Arizona our attics are dry and hot easily catch fire.

@502deth 3 месяца назад

question on wire support. lets say we have a situation near a main panel, where you have a space between studs that has SEVERAL wires running back to the box. there is not enough surface area to staple every cable to the joist. i will staple the 3 or 4 that i have room for, then i will zip tie subsequent wires to the secured wires. i have had people say this is against code, but i have never had an inspector say one word about it. what is the official nec code book ruling on this practice?

@johnhenryholiday4964 3 месяца назад

I can fully appreciate the uprated nature of electrical service... The third leading cause of fires are caused by electrical malfunctions and the better We wire homes and businesses the lower fire loss caused by electrical malfunction...

@diyjohn9584 13 дней назад

Your instruction is contradicting my home depot instruction, it goes to my confusing blah blah list 😂

@BackyardMaine 13 дней назад

I’m not sure what Home Depot is telling you but I’m actually quoting the code.

@tomstruble7380 3 месяца назад

So all the oh so picky spacing rules go out the window if the cable is run thru a finished wall? Did the safety reasons disappear just because the wall is NOW enclosed, because when I'm running the cable in a open wall with all the 18" 4.5 ft rules - that area will soon be enclosed. So the rules are just one more regulation that does nothing for safety but makes all the electrical cabling companies more money.

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

The biggest risk to the wire is during the construction process. Nails, screw, pinching the wire between the drywall and stud other trades etc.

@barfy4751 3 месяца назад

Never go in the center of a pancake box

@ggrimm79 16 дней назад

I didn't see within the codes you showed that the first support outside a single gang box without a clamp has to be no more than 8 inches away from the box (in addition to 8" along the sheath). Can you point me to where the NEC states this? I dig your videos, big time.

@BackyardMaine 15 дней назад

314.17 (B) (2) Conductors Entering Through Cable Clamps Where cable assemblies with nonmetallic sheathes are used, the sheath shall extend not less than 6 mm (1/4 in.) inside the box and beyond any cable clamp. Except as provided in 300.15(C), the wiring method shall be secured to the box or conduit body. Exception: Where nonmetallic-sheathed cable is used with single gang nonmetallic boxes not larger than a nominal size 57 mm × 100 mm (21/4 in. × 4 in.) mounted in walls or ceilings, and where the cable is fastened within 200 mm (8 in.) of the box measured along the sheath and where the sheath extends through a cable knockout not less than 6 mm (1/4 in.), securing the cable to the box shall not be required. Multiple cable entries shall be permitted in a single cable knockout opening.

@jonblair5470 3 месяца назад

If the staple is at 4” per se, and the wire is 8” in a unclamped single gang box. Couldn’t that still be a “service loop” (without the loop) and still be in code?

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Yes a small loop, just be carful of the bending radius requirements.

@Iamdebug 2 месяца назад

Informative with all the gotchas, thanks for the explanation, I just ran ceiling lights to a quad gang control box in the attic, while it sounds like the ceiling light boxes don't need secured due to running straight in to the support trussing the control box the cable runs in to need to be secured on that end as well as at the box which it is.

@44hawk28 3 месяца назад

The instructions clearly says that the support must be within 8 in of the box, it does not say within 8 inches of cable length. Where did world did you get that interpretation. I know it says measured along the sheath, but it also says within 8 inches of the cable box. Which side of the interpretation are you going to take??

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Measured along the sheath means cable length. The sheath covers the cable so if you measure along it you are measuring the cable between the support and the box. It's not an interpretation. If you wanted to staple 4" from the box you could still have 8 inches of cable or sheath for a small loop but you have to be careful of the minimum bending radius.

@SaltMinerOU812 3 месяца назад

Cool I roughed in my new basement room and the only mistake I made is using blue staples for double wire. so I'll change them up to the longer red ones and everything's good. Also good to know about being able to put two Romex in one of the openings of the box I think it'll be a neater look

@wheresbicki 2 месяца назад

What are those plastic runs called with the several holes?

@crschoen123 3 месяца назад

So clear! Very helpful!

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

@thunder3470 21 день назад

Thank you absolutely so much. Thank you. Good instructions.

@BackyardMaine 18 дней назад

You are so welcome!

@joshuawhite9725 21 день назад

I always just remembered 6 12 18. You have to have 6 in of working wire in the Box. And you have to be secured within 12 inches and you can't have more than 18 inches of wire

@BackyardMaine 18 дней назад

The issue is that will single gang plastic boxes without a cable support you need to secure at 8 inches rather than 12.

@joshuawhite9725 15 дней назад

@@BackyardMaine yeah 6 12 18 implies boxes with no strain relief.

@rebelwithcause4908 3 месяца назад

@BackyardMaine Shouldn't it then be code compliant to put a cable staple 4" from the junction box AND have 8" of cable slack between the junction box and that closest cable staple?

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

That would be 4" of slack and then 4" to the box. You could do that possibly but you would have to be careful about the bending radius of the cable which has code limitations as well. In my view with single gang, non-metallic boxes, the best way to leave slack, if you really thought it was necessary, would be to leave it above the staple and just make sure the staple is not tight against the cable.

@joewoodchuck3824 3 месяца назад

I had no idea there were dimensional requirements for staple locations.

@71organicmusic9 3 месяца назад

A staple holds the wire in place ....so a nail or screw can peirce into it......the older romex Had a thicker insulation on it....hmmmm....NEC....approved. for a thinner insulation ??????...what to save money???how's that safer....

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure the idea of securing the cable in place is to prevent damage. There are rules around how close the cable can be secured to the edge of the wood member or through holes or notches without additional protection. Maybe take a look at article 334.

@PSNDonutDude 3 месяца назад

One thing I always notice about American videos and articles with technical information is that they don't mention the country. If its outside the US they almost alway mention the country. Mention the country and state in the start!

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Good point. Hadn’t thought about that. 90% of my viewers are from the USA and 8% from Canada which has very similar requirements. The other 2% from the rest of the world.

@JessicaT-qp9uv 2 месяца назад

Good luck with any of this on remodels and old work.

@RobertJThompson-o1z 3 месяца назад

You always use UL listed cable fasteners in the manner of their design ed to be used.

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

I may have mentioned that.

@tricia8044 13 дней назад

Thank you so much. I've found myself doing more of my own electrical work over the past few years. Not by choice - it's just become increasingly hard to get on an electrician's schedule where I live. I have a great respect for what they do and find myself doing all kinds of research before I attempt anything. Your channel is a big help to me in making sure I do things properly and safely.

@BackyardMaine 12 дней назад

I love hearing this. That is the purpose of the channel. Thank you.

@jeffreyswanson2207 2 месяца назад

No ads plz

@BackyardMaine 2 месяца назад

Sorry but thats how I support the channel. I spend about 20-30 hours making each video and ads are one way I get paid for my time. Thanks for understanding.

@jeffreyswanson2207 2 месяца назад

@@BackyardMaine I thought that’s what RU-vid Premium was for, which I pay for. To support creators. In video ads are unacceptable. I’m sorry bcuz your content is awesome.

@joshbaker855 3 месяца назад

Heres how it really works. Code is 12 inches. Depends on the inspector. Loops are really dumb but one inspector here expects a loop. So we do it yo code and have a loop.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Code is not 12 inches for boxes without a cable clamp.

@ronh5623 29 дней назад

Good Job!

@IncendiaDivinus 3 месяца назад

!! Some people were meant to teach . You sir , are one of them . Stay safe !! Thank you for the information.

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you!

@JM-iz3fr 3 месяца назад

Awsome video John, great to have the summary, a true teacher! You mentioned the plastic boxes and the code compliance, what about metal boxes, does what you just went over vary??

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Thank you my friend. Metal boxes will have a built in cable clamp or knock outs where you would install a ROMEX connector. All metal boxes require a clamp. The requirement of within 8 inches is for single gang non metallic boxes without a clamp.

@paulnovak6977 3 месяца назад

If the Romex comes out of a drilled hole within 12” of the box with cable clamps do u still have to add a cable support?

@BackyardMaine 3 месяца назад

Yes it does and within 8" if the box has no clamp. The code article reads. In other than vertical runs, cables installed in accordance with 300.4 shall be considered to be supported and secured where such support does not exceed 1.4-m (41/2-ft) intervals and the nonmetallic-sheathed cable is securely fastened in place by an approved means within 300 mm (12 in.) of each box, cabinet, conduit body, or other nonmetallic-sheathed cable termination.