ROMEX Cable Supports Requirements (2024)

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@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Need a cool work station like mine? Try FlexiSpot! 🌟 Use my code “24BDYTB50” for extra $50 off on the E7 Plus Desk! Trust me, it's a rare treat! FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4aM11Dg (US) FlexiSpot E7 Plus Standing Desk: bit.ly/4c6iasg (CAN)

@stphnalln 17 дней назад

I wish everyone on RU-vid could explain things as clearly and succinctly as this man.

@BackyardMaine 16 дней назад

Thank you!

@loganmartin1682 2 дня назад

Seriously I don’t even have electrician skill I’d hire anyone for anything hard but I still love this guy’s videos. Keep on explaining!

@erickrosito3659 15 часов назад

I am glad he didn’t use the word succinctly in his explanation

@MyClutteredGarage 23 дня назад

John, your channel is like an online electrician course. Can’t tell you how much I appreciate it!

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Wow, thanks Ed! Very much appreciated my friend.

@LumenCache 37 минут назад

This is by far the most concise explanation of the codes. You should be writing them!

@jackpestaner6925 23 дня назад

Excellent review, I may still fail my first rough-in inspection, but at least not because of cable stapling. Almost finished with a complete rewire to current code of my 2500 sq ft 100 year house that had functioning knob and tube. Really appreciate your videos, thank you.

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Glad it was helpful! I love being able to share my experience now that I'm retired. Thanks for watching.

@joedelucia6719 13 часов назад

Dude! You explain this stuff so well.

@davefoc 22 дня назад

This was a very useful video that covered a lot of areas where I had only a rough idea of what the rules were. Thank you.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

My pleasure.. Thanks for watching.

@nooneyouknowhere6148 18 дней назад

I started in 1981. I do not remember anyone even thinking about "service loops" until i started watching these youtube videos. Is that really a thing in some parts of the country? I have never experienced a situation where i wished i had a service loop. The idea has always been, keep the wire neat and out of the way of insulation etc.

@BackyardMaine 16 дней назад

It isn’t a thing around here. ME, NH, VT, MA. But I hear that it is in the south. I have never left a service loop unless I knew something may need to be moved.

@ronblack7870 День назад

it's probably a reaction to having to do work on old boxes that were installed 40 yrs ago that have only 3 inches of wire so it's really hard to work in them. so people think well for the future electrician working in this box i will leave extra service loop. only reason i can think is if the outlet burns up and wires need to be cut back it would be good if there was an extra 6 inches in the wall.

@paaao 21 час назад

Service loops are for handymen, DIYers, and slack jawed yokels. The NEC states this pretty clearly. You just have to read 16 different sections of the code and cross reference them like a crossword puzzle.

@weloveups831 23 дня назад

This channel is awesome. Info is given in a straight forward way, without a lot of wasted words.😊

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Thank you so much.. I have another video going live tomorrow about a very little know method of wiring 3-way switched.

@StealthMode139 18 часов назад

Ty always like to keep up with the new codes and technology. ET's never stop learning.

@Icehso140 15 дней назад

Funny thing...a service loop using a metal cable clamp to a metal box makes no sense. You can't get to the screws to loosen the clamp if you need to pull more. This is why we have so many changes to the NEC and why I have to spend 15 hours every 3 years in code updates. But hey...the pizza is free at our union hall. LOL

@BackyardMaine 14 дней назад

Yup the dreaded code update. I took mine back Feb of 2023. I'm so early I sometimes have a hard time getting the new book. I was IBEW for about 10 years before I moved into electrical engineering. I still keep up my license though. I use an online update through Jade electrical education. I love it. I just plug away at it for a few days and it's done.

@BetterHouseProject День назад

But it does make sense for the plastic boxes with moulded-in clamps, and that's probably most of the residential installs these days.

@crschoen123 12 дней назад

So clear! Very helpful!

@BackyardMaine 12 дней назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

@Yummyfudge День назад

Thanks for the content, especially for digging into the code and clearly explaining it. I actually paused the video and pulled out my codebook to see if I could figure out the code violation on my own before you explained it in detail. No, I didn't figure it out on my own, but I did run down "messenger-supported wiring". Learned something new! Also... the 2023 code does make some very minor changes to 314.17, but most jurisdictions are still yet to adopt it so :shrug:

@jackl9922 23 дня назад

I enjoy your videos. I’m not licensed, trained from people who are and DIY. Passed main panel replacement. However, I’ve made a few mistakes learn later on code compliance, but not concerned enough to go back since think safe. Since I am not licensed, I will not do for others. Fear liability.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Thank you..

@aubreyroche5080 12 часов назад

Yeah, long time Electrician here too... Ha.. Some of the best times were doing custom Homes... Now I'm all Industrial... My Trade has been good to me.

@stephanpetranker8994 21 день назад

Excellent review. Ty

@BackyardMaine 21 день назад

My pleasure.. Thanks for watching.

@markusallport1276 8 часов назад

My ex-boss was a cheap fu... he would get the cheapest supplies imaginable. We always followed code regardless of the crap we had to work with, and only 3 times did we fail inspection. There were 16 guys on our team, but one guy always decided to do stuff his way and got us ding'ed all three times. We hardly ever secured cables (romex), within 8 inches of the box, it was more closer to 6" and we never had an issue with that. Clamp in the box or not, 6" was our max for a staple.

@mrcryptozoic817 22 дня назад

Apparently, in my house the rule was "If you have staples left in the box, you haven't used enough". But there are only the bare minimum number of receptacles. I know because I was trying to add some.

@johnhenryholiday4964 11 часов назад

I can fully appreciate the uprated nature of electrical service... The third leading cause of fires are caused by electrical malfunctions and the better We wire homes and businesses the lower fire loss caused by electrical malfunction...

@shaneharrison9609 8 дней назад

How have we not figured out the right way to put this stuff in by now.

@thardyryll 22 часа назад

Wow. Next time I have $700 and nothing to spend it on I will think about that desk. Briefly.

@JM-iz3fr 11 дней назад

Awsome video John, great to have the summary, a true teacher! You mentioned the plastic boxes and the code compliance, what about metal boxes, does what you just went over vary??

@BackyardMaine 11 дней назад

Thank you my friend. Metal boxes will have a built in cable clamp or knock outs where you would install a ROMEX connector. All metal boxes require a clamp. The requirement of within 8 inches is for single gang non metallic boxes without a clamp.

@user-gs6lp9ko1c 23 дня назад

Always great information John! After watching these, I'm always wondering how many inadvertant code violations I've committed in the past in my home improvement projects.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Thank you. Much appreciated. The code can be tricky if you're not used to using it daily. I try to state the requirements but then talk about them in practical terms. I'm not the best but I try real hard.

@johnypitman2368 20 дней назад

most importantly is your work safe and you understand wire size and breaker size relationships. There are other important rules but clamping or stapling distance to boxes isn't too important as long as you do it. If your work is being inspected then you might be more careful. In my many years as a general contractor my inspector only looked at my panel boxes and on final tested every receptacle. They don't have time to inspect every staple.

@fritzmiller9792 22 дня назад

Great video John. Best one I have seen yet of the dozen or so I have watched. I am probably a little giddy that you proved service loops are not legal (except of course when clamped and not over the 18" length maximum). I think service loops defeat the purpose of securing cables as the cable can accidentally be rolled out of the wall before or during the final enclosure of the wall. It's also very wasteful with only a incredibly slim chance of ever being used to 'save' time ( but that's another entire discussion). Bottom line, the service loops I have seen installed are almost ALL noncompliant. 👍

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Thank you my friend.. I don't like them either. The big round loops you will see similar to the one I made in the video are always a code violation. The code change adding the 18" maximum cable came in the 2020 update. I think or it could have been the 2017. I'm sure it was made to limit service loops. I have another video going live this evening on a not so common method of wiring three way switches. Thanks for dropping by..

@markniblack7160 6 дней назад

Great explanation

@BackyardMaine День назад

Thank you.

@joshbaker855 2 дня назад

Heres how it really works. Code is 12 inches. Depends on the inspector. Loops are really dumb but one inspector here expects a loop. So we do it yo code and have a loop.

@BackyardMaine 2 дня назад

Code is not 12 inches for boxes without a cable clamp.

@vboutique2188 6 дней назад

What type of cable ties can be used to tie together multiple romex wires for example in the electrical panel to make a clean install? Any particular brand? Or just the cheap dollar tree ones?

@fleetwin1 23 дня назад

Alot to know for sure....

@donmclean1220 23 дня назад

Very clear explanation, I think I could remember it.

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Excellent. Thanks for watching and being the first commenter..

@aaronblackford981 10 дней назад

Ty for your service and awesome video. I can read but that stuff is hard to get through. Guessing yearly classes to highlight the changes to code?

@BackyardMaine 8 дней назад

Yes for sure. And thank you. The code updates every 3 years and to maintain our license we need to take a 15 hour code update course on the new code. The last update was in 2023 so I'm good to go until February of 2026.

@aaronblackford981 7 дней назад

@@BackyardMaine that’s 2-3 boring ass class every three years

@BackyardMaine 7 дней назад

@@aaronblackford981 I've been using Jade continuing education and I really love it. Its all online and I'll just work on it a few hours a day and I can usually get through it in 8-10 hour. I like it way better than attending the classes. Here's a link if you want to check it out next time you need an update. www.jadelearning.com

@espencer83 23 дня назад

Always great tips

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Thank you..

@ed6837 23 дня назад

That seems the way it has been for years although I don't remember a service loop being mentioned. It would seem that a service loop could not be used with a 1 gang plastic without a clamp although not mentioned

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

The 18" max cable length was added to the code in either 2017 or 2020. I can't remember for sure but it was one on those cycles. I actually said "and since it’s measured in cable length leaving a service loop is not going to be possible" when referring to the 8" support. I think??

@rupe53 18 дней назад

Just remember that code / passing inspection is like graduating from school with a D average. It is the minimum, and you can probably do better. The hard part is making those adjustments without violating another section of the book.

@chadkeller2144 23 дня назад

Great info!

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

@troy3456789 23 дня назад

Good stuff and very clear. Thank you

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Awesome.. Thanks so much. I have another new video coming out tomorrow around the same time.

@troy3456789 23 дня назад

@@BackyardMaine I just subbed based upon the help you gave me with my horrible plastic gasoline cans. 🙂

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

@@troy3456789 Awesome, welcome to the channel.

@joewoodchuck3824 15 дней назад

I had no idea there were dimensional requirements for staple locations.

@donaldshimkus539 22 дня назад

In the last scenario, what if you made your service loop and brought it back through the staple which is 6" from the box? If you don't drive the staple in too hard, the service loop can still be pulled down into the box if needed.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Many people even electrician will drive the staples in tool tight.. The staples are just there to hold the wire in place so it won't get damaged. I usually leave a bit of slack in runs by squaring off all the corners and leaving the staple where they are making contact but not tight. Then like you're saying you could pull a bit of slack through the staple. Thanks for adding to the conversation. The video I made before this one was on extending short wires.

@outofcontrol4499 22 дня назад

Are there code issues related to the type of staple? I'm thinking of those staples with two nails vs the u-shaped continuous steel ones? I confess that as a DIY guy the "2 nail" versions are easier in cramped quarters.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Any staple will work as long as they are listed for NM cable support. The 2-Nail staples are fine.

@jfbeam 14 дней назад

You could still have a service loop, it'll be short and stapled right next to the box.

@BackyardMaine 13 дней назад

You could but a small one and you also have to be careful of the bending radius restrictions.

@barfy4751 6 часов назад

Never go in the center of a pancake box

@aliso-pv7ll 22 дня назад

Are the desk jockeys that write these codes former Soviet era bureaucrates?

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

🤣

@georgezofchak6684 7 часов назад

Just goofs with too much time on their hands and wanting the consumer to spend as much as possible…….to this date I have not seen or captured a gremlin that wants to mess a move my lines…unscrew connectors….or wiggle line loose………

@michealgoudarzi6893 23 дня назад

Amazing hints

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

Thank you so much..

@rebelwithcause4908 22 дня назад

@BackyardMaine Shouldn't it then be code compliant to put a cable staple 4" from the junction box AND have 8" of cable slack between the junction box and that closest cable staple?

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

That would be 4" of slack and then 4" to the box. You could do that possibly but you would have to be careful about the bending radius of the cable which has code limitations as well. In my view with single gang, non-metallic boxes, the best way to leave slack, if you really thought it was necessary, would be to leave it above the staple and just make sure the staple is not tight against the cable.

@davids2530 21 день назад

I’m adding a single gang box behind my TV. Going to fish NM 12/2 down the wall and into an old work box. If i use clamps on both old work boxes I understand I don’t need staples because of the fishing exception. If I use knockouts instead of clamps in this scenario do i have to use staples?

@BackyardMaine 20 дней назад

Yes, you are correct..

@BackyardMaine 20 дней назад

Old work boxes with the wings like I showed in the video have the cable clamps. But if you were fishing a wire down to an existing nail on box without clamps, you could do that without support base on the information provided in the section on un-supported cables.

@davids2530 20 дней назад

Thank you for your very quick reply and professional expertise!

@salvor1 12 часов назад

not leaving service loops is just not a good idea. ie: 'tear the walls apart to add 2 inches of wire'

@paulnovak6977 20 дней назад

If the Romex comes out of a drilled hole within 12” of the box with cable clamps do u still have to add a cable support?

@BackyardMaine 19 дней назад

Yes it does and within 8" if the box has no clamp. The code article reads. In other than vertical runs, cables installed in accordance with 300.4 shall be considered to be supported and secured where such support does not exceed 1.4-m (41/2-ft) intervals and the nonmetallic-sheathed cable is securely fastened in place by an approved means within 300 mm (12 in.) of each box, cabinet, conduit body, or other nonmetallic-sheathed cable termination.

@diytwoincollege7079 17 дней назад

The standing desk is a code violation. The vertical corner radius on each corner is .0005 under the minimum spec.

@BackyardMaine 16 дней назад

Ok.

@markproulx1472 5 дней назад

Thank goodness that we have eagle-eyed viewers like you to keep us safe!🤣

@jde1780 День назад

That measurement is only valid if you had a good set of calibrated eyeballs. Otherwise, 0.0" to 0.25"r is acceptable. The only requirement there is that the edge doesn't give cuts similar to paper cuts.😎

@dannyl2598 12 часов назад

As such, cushion corner protectors are required when the table height is adjusted to within 8 inches of the noggin of a kind that occupies the space within a 24 foot radios of the center of said adjustable table.

@carlj3515 22 дня назад

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@DrJWR1 18 дней назад

What is the actual PURPOSE of the staple just outside the box? Nobody is going to be pulling that cable in either direction.

@BackyardMaine 16 дней назад

A few reasons for supporting NM cable. One is the cable sheath needs to extend at least a quarter inch into the box. Otherwise we have unprotected wires outside the box. The support helps the cable stay in place. Next supports actually help protect the cable by keeping where it won’t be damaged by screws or nails, pinched between the finished wall and structure, or come in contact with anything else that could damage the cable during construction or years later

@allthingsconsidered3211 23 дня назад

Is it a no no to use nm cable with metal boxes ? Conduit required im guessing

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

NM cable can be used with metal boxes. They make them with cable clamps for NM and another style for MC or BX. Or you can use boxes with knockouts and add connectors.

@allthingsconsidered3211 23 дня назад

@@BackyardMaine thanks for the quick reply and clarification

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

@@allthingsconsidered3211 My pleasure.

@blamuk 23 дня назад

So does that mean a 2 or 3 gang box without cable clamp is a code violation? Regardless of a staple within 8"?

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

Only single gang, non-metallic boxes are made with no cable clamps unless they're supplied with KOs for using ROMEX connectors.

@blamuk 22 дня назад

@@BackyardMaine i thought the cable clamps in my PVC 2 gang boxes were knock outs just like the single gang, so I snapped them off just like I did with the single gang. Do I have to replace all these boxes? What's the best solution? Maybe rewire them and use the other holes/clamps (that has not been snapped) in the box and just ignore the knocked out hole?

@BackyardMaine 20 дней назад

@@blamuk If the walls are open just staple within 8" of the box. If the was are closed forget about it..

@motoboymatt День назад

What's the logic on not securing the cable at a ceiling light?

@BackyardMaine День назад

It's often not feasible when using can fixtures or strip lighting. As long as the fixture has a clamp and you secure to the nearest joist and within 4 feet it's acceptable and is at minimal rick of damage.

@PSNDonutDude 17 дней назад

One thing I always notice about American videos and articles with technical information is that they don't mention the country. If its outside the US they almost alway mention the country. Mention the country and state in the start!

@BackyardMaine 16 дней назад

Good point. Hadn’t thought about that. 90% of my viewers are from the USA and 8% from Canada which has very similar requirements. The other 2% from the rest of the world.

@kerrytaylor4366 12 дней назад

So if you have an issue later you will have to rip the wall apart to fix it .

@BackyardMaine 12 дней назад

If everything is installed correctly and wired correctly, you will never have an issue later. I wire my home 26 years ago and I have had zero electrical problems.

@kerrytaylor4366 12 дней назад

@@BackyardMaine yes but there is millions of houses bought and sold ECT there are additions and such, there could be a fire or over load so please don't be so close minded or self centered because u still live in the same place you wired,as this isn't about you it's about everyone and please I'm not picking a fight.

@BackyardMaine 12 дней назад

@@kerrytaylor4366 I'm not close minded. I just follow the code. Not supporting cable because you might have an issue someday is a bad plan. The supports are specifically designed to prevent the cable from being damaged.

@71organicmusic9 22 дня назад

A staple holds the wire in place ....so a nail or screw can peirce into it......the older romex Had a thicker insulation on it....hmmmm....NEC....approved. for a thinner insulation ??????...what to save money???how's that safer....

@BackyardMaine 21 день назад

I'm pretty sure the idea of securing the cable in place is to prevent damage. There are rules around how close the cable can be secured to the edge of the wood member or through holes or notches without additional protection. Maybe take a look at article 334.

@vicktorpatriot1430 22 дня назад

I still don't get why a so called "service loop" is loved by so many. Between the insulation install and drywall hangers generally not giving a rat's ass I think they are trouble in waiting

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

I don't leave service loops very often. If I'm in a bathroom and I think the vanity may have to move a bit or some other similar situation I may leave one but other than that I don't. In fact I really see anyone doing that at least around here.

@aeneanitesong4161 20 дней назад

It's left because drywallers suck and will shredded the wire in the box when cutting them out leaving you with 2 in of usable wire. So you leave the loop to pull more when that happens

@aptpupil 2 дня назад

This is interesting, but it all begs the question: why?

@BackyardMaine День назад

The primary reason is protection of the cable. I could write a couple of paragraphs on all the ways a cable can be damaged if it's not secured. Maybe I should make a video on the subject.

@aptpupil 22 часа назад

@@BackyardMaine please do because it seems to me that 99.9% of its existence involves it not being moved in any way

@ClayAdams-zj8yf 23 дня назад

Ive been an electrician since 87. The only time I staple is if the inspector requires it which now days they usually do. Once I'm out of the jurisdiction of the inspector I don't staple unless the house is foamed or I feel the need. I don't know how many times on a new home I've had owners want me to add another switch etc in a box while we are trimming. If the wire isn't stapled I've used it for a pull to add another romex. If it is it makes the job a whole lot harder or impossible if there are fire blocks in the wall. The code book can be a pain.

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

I understand..

@stephanpetranker8994 21 день назад

I understand that code compliance can get in the way of efficiency. I humbly suggest compliance and charge accordingly with a change order.

@nooneyouknowhere6148 18 дней назад

Staples have always been code as far back as I know. In Texas since the state took over licensing, all jobs are supposed to be inspected. The builder is supposed to hire an independent inspector if they are outside a municipal jurisdiction.

@clayadams2068 17 дней назад

@@nooneyouknowhere6148 In my part of Texas once you get outside the city limits it’s the Wild West. You do as you please and I don’t know of any contractor that’s hired an outside inspector. Contractors hate inspectors.

@JM-iz3fr 11 дней назад

Do it right or stay home! It's not a hobby. If you don't like something in the code, you can fill out the form to make a change, oh wait, it's a pain for you!

@johnnyrico707 22 дня назад

This is why I encourage all homeowners to not get anything inspected. I even offer them a discount.

@masttt8480 22 часа назад

Its almost like a religion.

@metta4567 23 дня назад

Would have been a good instructive video if it didn't have 5 minutes of sponsored ads in the middle

@BackyardMaine 23 дня назад

The sponsored ads are how I get paid. And I only agree to sponsor products I really love. The ad was only 90 seconds. I know it can be disruptive but I appreciate your understanding.

@NotJRB 23 дня назад

As if you can't simply skip over anything you find offensive. Your comment was snarky with a silly altruistic expectation. This man spends time and his money to produce these videos. If that's what makes these videos possible then I'm all for it.

@BackyardMaine 22 дня назад

@@NotJRB Thank you!

@timrxn5414 22 дня назад

@@NotJRBexactly right and well stated. And as it happens, I’m interested in the desk

@trimble1049 14 дней назад

People have to make a living.

@jeff-w 22 дня назад

Canadians, this vid isn't relevant for you. Move along.

@ZACZPA День назад

Watched a few videos, and subscribed. Watched this video, and unsubscribed. What's the strategy with eluding to something but then telling us you'll cover that topic later!? Jesus.

@AJHeikkila 14 часов назад

He's reading through the manual as it's written without jumping back and forth between the codes. Other than that, telling your audience to wait for something later has been standard practice since the beginning of time.