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Here's an update on the Rossi Lever Action using 38 Special ammo. ALL GOOD! But the path to success was crooked!

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@timmaynard986
@timmaynard986 3 года назад
Did you give up on the 22 magnum Ruger
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Not at all! I've been working in the background trying to get everything put together. I'd like to have one Epic final video. But it may take more than that. I'm planning to give an update next Tuesday. So I hope you will check back with me.
@williampatton7132
@williampatton7132 3 года назад
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@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 3 года назад
I wouldn’t argue with you if you wanted to give me that thing in celebration of my 65th birthday on July 20. But I also wouldn’t blame you if you told me to take a hike, lol! Good video George!
@Hermann-lz2jb
@Hermann-lz2jb 3 года назад
Cmon grandpa social security should be more than enough to snag your own Rossi !
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Well I did it did hit 20,000 subscribers yesterday. I was looking for a giveaway. But it probably won't be this Rossi😄
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite congratulations George! Your laid back, logical, engineering educational presentation is a very informative pleasure to watch.
@robg.766
@robg.766 3 года назад
Hi George, I made a comment last video about my Rossi 357/38 that I have owned for over 17 years I use all rounds factory and I also load my own ammo, I have pistols and revolvers in a lot of different calibres. I have used target cutters that are seated flush in the case with reduced loads in the Rossi without any feed problems, not bragging, just appoint maybe the earlier ones are a slightly different. Also I am in Australia I don`t know weather those polymer coated projectiles which you are using were invented in Australia, but we have been using them for over 20 years. They can be used at velocities up to and around 2,000 ft per sec without lead fowling. Like your videos keep them coming. Cheers, from Australia.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment. A couple of data points about my friends down under . . . Australian viewers account for 3% of my over 3 million views. And they watch longer than viewers from any other country! I love you guys!
@michaelhogan9053
@michaelhogan9053 3 года назад
Hi George, great videos. I do notice that you fire the tube mag. empty, until the chamber goes click. I always find it best to cycle the lever one more time to ensure there's not a round in there with a dimpled primer that didn't go off. Thanks again for the videos.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks. I appreciate that suggestion!
@allensooter8429
@allensooter8429 3 года назад
Hi George, I have been shooting the Rossi 92 in Cowboy action for 4 years now, I can go through 10 rounds in 3.5 seconds, my key is starline brass in 38, Badman bullets 127gr rn, loaded to 1.50 inches. So far over 2000 rounds with just 1 stove pipe. Good luck with yours.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks. I appreciate that!
@michaellacy8510
@michaellacy8510 3 года назад
Interesting to see you troubleshoot your new guns. Thanks for taking us along!
@Uts9000
@Uts9000 Год назад
i have an older 92. I have shot 38 and 357 new and reloads never with a problem. A comparison with the two bullets is sort of fun. By loading a mag round and then a 38 and shooting, the difference is astounding. Great rifle, reliable and accurate.
@clintashmead3558
@clintashmead3558 2 года назад
I too had issues feeding 38 specials in my Rossi R92 (stainless). I have to make sure that the OAL is 1.525" or better. My live rounds if less would get stuck in the receiver which required me to take the receiver apart to get the round out. It was a challenge to do this and would require me to leave the field and take the carbine home to do the work. It was very, very frustrating. After getting the OAL figured out, it hasn't occurred again. I truly love this carbine once figured out. Frustration beyond belief until then. Now I love this gun. It is light and very manuervable. I think I like it better than my Henry's which are pretty heavy.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
I'm with you. Having longer ammo is not a sacrifice. And the Rossi really is light and handy.
@NateKJ
@NateKJ 3 года назад
The thing to keep in mind is these modern straight wall pistol caliber ammo leverguns (all, not just the 92’s) are a lot like semi-auto handguns. There’s just some ammo they aren’t going to work well with. All leveraction, pump action and semi-auto guns (long guns or handguns) are ammo length and bullet shape sensitive. Some more than other. For example, you don't think about it much if you are dealing with a rifle cal. like 3006, 308 or 223 and even 30-30. Those are bottleneck calibers. Bottlenecks always feed better than straightwall ammo, whether it is a rifle cal or a pistol cal. That's because you have a small diameter bullet going into a really big hole by comparison, the bottleneck chamber being much like a funnel. The original Winchester 92's were designed to work with bottleneck ammo in the 1.5" to 1.6" OAL with round nose flat point bullets. Ammo like 44-40, 38-40, 32-20 and 25-20. What that means is they may not work well with really long 357’s or really short 38’s.. The really long 357’s are too long to clear the cart stop coming up or they tend to hit the top inside of the chamber before they make the turn into the chamber. The most common problem with the shorter 38's is the gun will throw out, flip or stovepipe live rounds with the empty's. This is because the shorter 38 coming on to the carrier from the tube can bounce forward off the carrier cart stop enough that the rim is too close to the rim slots in the guides and when you lever it the carrier just catapults them up or out with the empty. Also, bullet shapes can make a difference. Bullets other than the round nosed flat point profile they were designed for can cause issues. The truncated cone or TC style bullets will work but can end up too long for some guns. As for SWC, the cutter bands tend to hang going in the chamber. For 38’s, what I have found to cycle best is a 158gr elongated round nose flat point seated above the crimp groove and just crimped into the side of the bullet just above the lube groove. This allows them to be loaded to a 1.5” OAL. You can do the same with the 44 spec. too.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Awesome comment! Thanks for taking the time, and thanks for watching!
@vikinghomecompanion
@vikinghomecompanion 2 года назад
I found with mine that commercial rounds from Magtech 38sp 158 grn LRN worked great, but it had trouble with Federal 38sp 158 grn LRN. And the only noticeable difference was that the Federal was a more streamlined bullet than the Magtech. Anything shorter than either of those constantly double ejected or stood straight up in the receiver. I don't reload myself so I have to buy or send out for reload, so your information on what to specify when getting reloads it very helpful. I have run 357 cowboy loads (I shoot Cowboy Action Shooting) and they seem to work okay, but are more expensive then 38 sp.
@jerryhammack1318
@jerryhammack1318 3 года назад
Great information to know! I thank you for making this video very useful and helpful ! All makes of firearms have there little quirks! If used for hunting it could be a lifesaver! Haven't reloaded in a while and greatly appreciate it!
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thank you for the comment, and thank you for watching!
@Leverguns50
@Leverguns50 3 года назад
Looks like The Rossi 92 is turning out to be a pretty reliable gun with the right Bullets
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Amen! There have been several suggestions on putting a spacer underneath the right side cartridge guide rail. Supposedly that solves the problem with the light bullets. I may try that down the road once I get several more hundred rounds through the gun. By the way I always appreciate your comments. Since getting back from vacation I'm a little bit behind on my RU-vid watching.
@larrymiller5171
@larrymiller5171 3 года назад
They are reliable..I've had mine for years and never any issues
@Leverguns50
@Leverguns50 3 года назад
@@larrymiller5171 I’ve had Rossi 92 in 44 magnum years but I’ve never tried any 44 special through it, since I reload I don’t see what the point is since I don’t have any other 44 specials,I would just load them lighter or load them hotter, however I do have a38 special revolver and so if I got one and 357 I would probably also want to be able to 38 specials, i’ll probably get a Winchester 73
@Leverguns50
@Leverguns50 3 года назад
I also have one in 45 colt it’s super reliable, I think the Rosti is a nice gun for the money
@larrymiller5171
@larrymiller5171 Год назад
Mine shoots 38 special with no issues. I even put 357 and 38 special in the magazine together and all shot well with no issues. .
@callawayken650
@callawayken650 3 года назад
Just got back from anniversary dinner and here is your video! A friend has a Taurus 357 revolver and we were shooting and I had a blackhawk. The bullets worked fine in mine, they were too long for his revolver and would not allow the chamber to turn. Same head scratch. Research on Taurus revolver has a shorter cylinder than some other 357 revolvers. Length does matter.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Happy anniversary Ken! That's interesting about cylinder length in the Taurus. I would have guessed that would be pretty standard.
@llkj7944
@llkj7944 3 года назад
I believe the Remington UMC green/white box 38 spl 130gr fmj, was loaded long, I ran a couple box through my chiappa 357 when I first got it with no feed issues. Great shooting as always, that Rossi trigger is very nice! Rossi is a very versatile rifle in other calibers also I find, I own a Rossi 45 colt 24 in octagon barrel and it will feed long Ruger length cartridges (likely due to that action used with their 454 Casull cartidge perhaps)which allows me a wide range of bullet shapes and weights with some extra powder room if I wish. Looking forward to more great video's!
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment! I hope my next Rossi is in 454 Casull!
@llkj7944
@llkj7944 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite yes what a power house package that would be.......I measured the Remington 130 gr 38s, the are 1.530.
@texasfarmer3367
@texasfarmer3367 3 года назад
Looks sort of like you are shooting and churning butter all at the same time. Great video, George. Thanks.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Haha! I don't think everyone would get your comment. But I sure do. Watched my grandma make butter many times.
@lesterparker1594
@lesterparker1594 3 года назад
Bought my son the same gun for his 18th bday. It’s runs everything but it’s much smoother action with 357. Fun little gun to shoot. Feel like a cowboy in the old west with a lever action.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Your son is a lucky young man. And feeling like a cowboy isn't necessarily A Bad Thing in today's world😉
@kevinblack5862
@kevinblack5862 3 года назад
Steves Gunz offers a sweet peep sight that replaces the saftey lever on the bolt and places it near eye correctly
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks!
@klitedrunner
@klitedrunner 3 года назад
i've had some similar problems with my second hand rossi and agree with someone below who said to shim the right cartridge guide. it takes some trial and error. i used some self amalgamating tape so it was easier to re seat the guide when reinstalling. I also had an issue with double feeding into the lifter, sometimes one of them would actually get behind the lifter making it a pain to clear. In that instance it was the left guide with the tube stop spring that needed pushed out slightly.mine also tends to occasionally nose dive into the top of the chamber, not sure why but may be the lifter angle not being correct and not sure what to do to fix it. another one to watch after extended firing is the knurled pin that connects the bolt to the lever, just tap it in from the left every now and then, it can come loose and cause the lever and bolt to not cycle at all stuck half way, again this is a bit of a pain to solve and requires almost complete disassembly. they can be finicky things but learning how they operate really makes you appreciate the design and they have to be the most fun guns out there. also recommend a reduced power extractor spring, makes it a lot smoother for that last bit of travel, although installing it can be an exercise in extreme patience.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Great comment! Lots of ideas to think about.
@panzerdeal8727
@panzerdeal8727 5 месяцев назад
Too much Magizine spring maybe ? I hear overpressure from the extra length may cause issues. Rossi had a bit of a reputation of putting 20 inch springs in the 16 inch barrel carbine, and the 24's in the 20's..a bit of overpower.
@bobnoon253
@bobnoon253 4 месяца назад
I have an older Inter-arms pre-safety 357mag m92. I skip the feeding issue by loading my 38spl loads in 357mag brass. I am currently using the Badman 157grn RNFP polymer coated bullet with a dose of 3N37 powder 😊 lm loading some right now.
@regsparkes6507
@regsparkes6507 3 года назад
This is interesting. By the way, my local Gunsmith / Dealer did 'find' a Rossi R92 'Triple Black' model for me. It's been ordered and I should soon have it to try for myself. I'm looking forward to this.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
That's awesome! My first choice was the triple black model. I may still get one if it shows up
@vikinghomecompanion
@vikinghomecompanion 2 года назад
I found with mine that commercial rounds from Magtech 38sp 158 grn LRN worked great, but it had trouble with Federal 38sp 158 grn LRN. And the only noticeable difference was that the Federal was a more streamlined bullet than the Magtech. Anything shorter than either of those constantly double ejected or stood straight up in the receiver. I don't reload myself so I have to buy or send out for reload, so your information on what to specify when getting reloads it very helpful. I have run 357 cowboy loads (I shoot Cowboy Action Shooting) and they seem to work okay, but are more expensive then 38 sp. I had so much trouble that I finally sent it back to Rossi and they actually found that my brand new rifle had a bent frame. I am waiting for the replacement to arrive and I will use your information to check out the ammo.
@LionquestFitness
@LionquestFitness 3 года назад
Nice shooting.
@OscarDad
@OscarDad 3 года назад
So glad Ive found your excellent channel! Ive seen such a wide range of opinions re: the Rossi , from : ‘ Trash ‘ to ‘Great’ Pretty consistent has been the comments that they often need some attention to smooth things out, and paying attention to OAL and bullet types for consistency. I reckon Henrys might be more reliable outta the box, but at substantially higher prices. I took the plunge today and ordered an R92 357/38 20” stainless cause they popped up for the first time Ive seen in over a year at pre-covid price ( $635 kygunco ) Im willing to work thru small issues and hope I get ‘ a good one’ . Stevesguns and brownells spring kits look to have some good value. Again thanks for your excellent content and Im going to dig thru your videos 👍
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Great to have you! And yes, you seem to have gotten the big picture about the Rossi. But I'd like to get more feedback on the latest generation of Rossi's. My suspicion is that they are substantially better than what has driven all of the negative comments.
@BrockNessMonster1991
@BrockNessMonster1991 Год назад
@OscarDad - how did you end up liking your Rossi R92?
@DB-oz2ki
@DB-oz2ki 2 года назад
My new Rossi .357 big loop ejects the shell and the next live round at once.
@poppy2394
@poppy2394 3 года назад
GOOD VIDEO. MIGHT BE RETIRED BUT YOUR MIND IS WORKING OVER TIME. LOVE THE PADDLE TRICK. PEACE
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks Mike. I think the RU-vid Endeavour is keeping me sharp. Otherwise I'd spend way too much time sitting down😄
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 3 года назад
I had one of those. Never had any issues with it though my bud's .44 certainly had problems with short .44 special loads. I didn't shoot that gun or its companion revolver that much before I decided that PCC's were of quite limited utility. Not junk, and I still have some 9mm PCC's but not much more than a toy.
@dalerash6285
@dalerash6285 3 года назад
I had major cycling issues with my Rossi 92 in 454 Casull, I worked on the carrier and the outer edge of the chamber. I was using a normal round nose bullet, the carrier was bringing the cartridge up on too steep of an angle, jamming the nose of the bullet on the front of the chamber, I also worked on the loading gate, a real finger biter. I learned you need to cycle these guns with some force, until they wear in some.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I'm hoping Rossi is changing things so that there doesn't have to be so much "working in". This gun seems to indicate that they're headed in the right direction. By the way, how do you like that Rossi in 454 Casull? It's definitely on my list of guns to get.
@dalerash6285
@dalerash6285 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite Since It’s working now, I like it, I killed a nice 8 point buck with it 2 years ago, dropped him in his tracks. I bought a new savage axisII in 6.5 creedmoor and bought a Boyd’s laminated wood stock for it, that’s my deer gun now. I’ve also got a Thompson Center Pro Hunter in 460S&W magnum, that I’ve killed 2 8 points with so far. The 460 is legal anywhere here in Indiana, while the 6.5 is only legal on private ground.
@davidarmstrong2503
@davidarmstrong2503 Год назад
Thank you for the video.
@gshock3092
@gshock3092 3 года назад
Good channel! I use the acme red coated bullets in my 45/70 with no fouling. I'm running trail boss in them too.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I appreciate that! Thanks.
@maxmccain8950
@maxmccain8950 2 года назад
I’ve always had problems with shorter 38’s feeding in my Rossi’s.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing. I think that is a common experience for a lot of folks and nothing unusual.
@davidaguiar1387
@davidaguiar1387 2 года назад
There is a valid argument for the economy of a 125 gr cast bullet. You might try loading that same short /125 gr bullet in 357 magnum cases to get a bit of extra overall length. Usually all that is needed ( beyond a die adjustment) is to add a couple of tenths to your 38 spl powder charge. My bet is that those would cycle great. The longer length /shorter jump to the rifling should make for better accuracy too.
@mosin66
@mosin66 3 года назад
Be careful with the Barry's bullets in the 92. Since they have no cannelure, you got to make sure you have enough crimp on them to make sure they don't compress in to the case when under the spring tension of the tube magazine. At the same time you can't make the crimp so hard that it cuts in to the thin copper plating and makes it separate from the lead. It can be done and they shoot very accurately. You just got to make sure you dial it in properly when loading them.
@mrdinme.4768
@mrdinme.4768 3 года назад
Wow, that would be a head scratcher for me, lol. Throwing two out at a clip, whew I don’t have the space for reloading area, so store bought ammo is my choice of the moment. Look forward to more on your Ruger. Enjoying the channel.
@critergiter
@critergiter Год назад
Hey brother, it’s not just yours. I’m having the same issues. About lost my religion because of it. I did come to the same conclusion as you though. The older 92’s from Rossi worked fine with both. Shame it won’t use the little 125gr lightning though, it’s a nice little economical bullet. Sorry about your issues with yours, but glad it wasn’t just me. Lol
@howardiko7156
@howardiko7156 3 года назад
Acme? Brings to mind the cartoon Wily Cyoti.
@derekcaesarschofield2156
@derekcaesarschofield2156 3 года назад
Hello George,I also have problems with short and wadcuts 38 spl! Exactly the same as you do! Best regards
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
👍👍
@tedpfenninger4972
@tedpfenninger4972 2 года назад
George, I haven't had this problem with my Rossi, but I know how to deal with it if it pops up. I mostly use .357 bass in my rifle. My trigger isn't nearly as nice. Thanks for the fine video!---TPf
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
👍👍
@slimfire54
@slimfire54 3 года назад
Nice video and some great shooting.Fun gun to shoot!Thanks.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
👍👍
@cliff8680
@cliff8680 Год назад
I've loaded polymer bullets in 2 calibers 41 mag and 450 bushmaster. The info i found says you can push them up to 2000 fps.
@PatRMG
@PatRMG 3 года назад
My 92 is chambered in 44 mag. 200 grain projectiles in special brass will flip straight up on the follower. Heavier projos in longer cases do not do this. I'd suggest ditching the 125 grain.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Good suggestion Pat. That was an easy decision considering how well it works with the longer projos, as you call them. I like that😎
@leftcoaster67
@leftcoaster67 3 года назад
I have a Henry BBS carbine. It states in the manual it has to be 158 grains and similar overall length to a .357 Magnum. I tried a box of .357 Hornady leverevolution at 140 grains. And it struggles to reload it. So I'm sticking with 158 grain wadcutters. Those cycle and shoot totally fine.
@markblanchard2
@markblanchard2 2 года назад
I think your problem lies in a spring for the second bullet retainer is too weak doesn't have time to stop the second bullet the reason it works for your longer bullets is they bottom out before the second bullet comes out that far! I would replace spring and bullet catch! I have replaced many of them in older guns but never in a new one?
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Thanks. I appreciate your comment!
@gtbirdleg
@gtbirdleg 3 года назад
hey George, i don't reload, so would i have any trouble with regular 38spl ammo?????thanks, another good video.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I don't think so as long as you stick with 158 grain bullets. It's really the short 125 grain bullets that are the problem. That said some of the Hornady 158 grain xtp bullets are short on the nose end, but I don't know that you can get Factory Hornady 38 Special 158 grain xtp ammo
@buddyrevell6369
@buddyrevell6369 3 года назад
Great content as always..
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thank you! I appreciate that.
@theeasternfront6436
@theeasternfront6436 3 года назад
Wow George. Thats an interesting phenomenon you have going there. Seems the cartridge is just the right length and weight to allow if to flip up out of the guides.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Yes that's odd. Seems fairly common and there does seem to be a fix for that. I'll investigate after I get a lot more rounds through the Rossi.
@twalk6164
@twalk6164 Год назад
Anyone have an idea of how many of these 92 leverguns have been made? Or current year (2022) production? I hope my descendants have a chance to buy one. Love mine.
@johnbravo1005
@johnbravo1005 3 года назад
Can also shim the left side feed rail with a little piece of aluminum can shaped to fit.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks. I'll file that away for a later mod. Right now I'm going to keep it Lock Stock until I make the full review after a thousand rounds
@larryhand7219
@larryhand7219 3 года назад
How does that compare with the Marlin lever chambered in 357/38
@russelsellick3649
@russelsellick3649 3 года назад
I'm sure I saw something once that said the Rossi wouldn't stabilise light bullets because of the rifling and only 158 and up would work...
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I think it's the other way around. With the 1:30 twist it won't stabilize heavier bullets
@dougbarlow3010
@dougbarlow3010 2 года назад
Mine shoots all round nose just fine. However cannot run flat nose wad cutters. They will not feed.
@FedFire8404
@FedFire8404 2 года назад
So is that issue only with reloads? Do you have that issue while shooting factory loads?
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Yes the failure to feed exists in Factory 38 specials as well as my handloads. Is there some type of factory ammo that will cycle? That is a question I don't know the answer to yet. Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching!
@FedFire8404
@FedFire8404 2 года назад
@@TargetSuite Thanks for the answer. Still worth the buy?
@Prepare2Survive
@Prepare2Survive 2 года назад
I have a few Rossi R92 lever guns in 357 mag and 44 mag. My blued 20" in 357 mag has had the most rounds through it. I cast my own lead bullets that I powder coat so I can afford to shoot it a lot. I'm not sure exactly how many rounds I've fired in it, but it's probably more than 5000 rds. Only problem I ever had was the ejector broke and because I didn't want to send the gun back to rossi and wait who knows how long to get it back I decided to buy a 1892 style ejector on Numrich for 15 bucks. I had to do some filing to get it to fit, but it wasn't hard.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Sounds like you got a great one!
@paulcupach8196
@paulcupach8196 3 года назад
That is weird how they double extract. Looking forward to knowing why
@markchambers2812
@markchambers2812 3 года назад
Rack , harder & faster , like you mean it !
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Haha! I wish it was that simple.
@bigben9379
@bigben9379 3 года назад
Nice George. I 'm curious what you think of the Rossi so far as a shooter vs your Winchester 92.
@motorcitymadman146
@motorcitymadman146 Год назад
Great vid. Buy a Henry if you want a lever gun :)
@dogbone1358
@dogbone1358 3 года назад
Nice shooting George!
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks. But I was wobbly today so I pulled out the old paddle. It helped a little bit😉
@dogbone1358
@dogbone1358 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite 😝
@joeytyo
@joeytyo Год назад
05:10 what style bullets are you saying? "Key" ...."keith" ???
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite Год назад
Keith, as in Elmer Keith.
@T30-z5w
@T30-z5w 3 года назад
I’ve never seen that happen out of any of my Rossi 92s. Then again I don’t shoot anything lighter than 158. I did try wadcutters once years ago on a chance that it would work and it didn’t for the same reasons your short bullets didn’t .
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
👍👍
@jimmorrison306
@jimmorrison306 2 года назад
The Rossi 92 in .357 that we bought initially didn’t like the .357’s, but it loved the .38’s. At the time, I was loading a 158 grain truncated cone in my .38 Special ammo. I’m glad we didn’t work on the gun or try to slick it up like people often do with these guns. With use the gun got better and better. One day I noticed it was feeding the .357’s, too. Also - FWIW - it is common for pistol caliber carbines shooting straight walled cartridges to prefer the special or the magnum; these guns weren’t created for straight walled cases. For example, the 44-40 does have a little bit of a bottle neck or shoulder.
@brianlee6849
@brianlee6849 3 года назад
Excellent 👍. I love that trigger pull right around 3 lb that should be just about perfect. In a world where everybody thinks they need a AR I would be 100% content to protect my home with that Rossi 357 lever action or hunt plink have fun with whatever you want to do with it. From an accuracy standpoint have you found a bullet weight and velocity that it seems to really like? 357 versus 38 versus heavy bullet light bullet? Thanks 👍
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
No. I haven't done any serious work yet with the Rossi. I do need to work up some 357 Magnum loads for both personal defense and for the occasional hog that might come my way. It wouldn't be my first go to Hog Gun but I need a deep penetrating round just in case.
@brianlee6849
@brianlee6849 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite yes I agree the 357 probably isn't as good for hogs as the 44 Magnum but I bet within 50 yards it will kill them just as dead. LOL the 44 magnum is definitely Superior but also quite a bit more expensive I think to shoot. The 357 is also really nice in a revolver so it's a nice rifle revolver combination with the same cartridge like the old days. Thank you 👍
@larryfoulk4466
@larryfoulk4466 3 года назад
My marlin 44mag has to be tilted up ward because of the nose heavy 240gr bullets.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks for that! This is the first time I've run into that phenomena.
@ChuckinSteel
@ChuckinSteel 3 года назад
I have the Henry big boy in brass without the side loader and it just poops the brass out, it's never had a jam bc of it but man weak ejection plagues it. Henry has sent me parts but I just haven't had time to put them in yet.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Mine is on the other end of the scale. These rounds will knock out a tooth if you're not careful.
@ChuckinSteel
@ChuckinSteel 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite 🤣🤣🤣 iv been watching for a long time brother just under a different name bc I started a slingshot channel recently. Come check out what I can do with a slingshot if you get time. Keep the videos coming bc they teach and entertain. I love how you don't crush a gun when it don't operate properly. Every manufacturer will fumble time to time.
@pedrodias1735
@pedrodias1735 Год назад
Aqui no Brasil as pontas são de 158 grains. Tanso de .38 Spl quanto de .357 Mag
@sboy1955
@sboy1955 3 года назад
Looks like normal spec 125gr and up bullets are cycling fine.. btw, are you using the same powder for the rifle and your pistol?
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
In all honesty, this is the first time that I have actually loaded 38 specials for a rifle. And since bullet performance was not really part of the video I just used the typical load of Bullseye powder.
@sboy1955
@sboy1955 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite - Understand that. Luckily I found a lb of Vit 3n38 which is a little slower burning than what I use for pistol. I’m trying to tighten the groups on Ruger 77/357, just thought I’d ask. Really enjoy your channel, glad YT recommended it..
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
👍👍
@scottydouglass1892
@scottydouglass1892 3 года назад
Are you trying to say a canoe paddle rested on a upside down bucket is not the best shooting rest in the world?
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Haha! I guess so😄😄
@blaws6684
@blaws6684 2 года назад
I’ll never own another Rossi brastech. Had one blow up on me (breach lock failure) and customer service was embarrassing at best. Dangerous in fact.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Wow! That's terrible! I hope you survived intact!
@blaws6684
@blaws6684 2 года назад
@@TargetSuite hot gases just missed my eyes. Burned my forehead.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Wow! From what I've seen with Rossis, quality control has improved. But nonetheless, if I had your experience I'd be shooting a Winchester😉
@blaws6684
@blaws6684 2 года назад
@@TargetSuite when I sent it in I wanted a refund for obvious reasons. I had found many cases where the 243 fails in this platform . They removed the stuck case and returned the gun 8 weeks later as it was with no repair claiming defective ammo (federal factory loads). Three more months of discussion including sending a copy of my ER bill and I got a letter from their lawyer to cease. This is not a good company
@Buses2Bikes
@Buses2Bikes 3 года назад
I had a Rossi level action rifle in .357 a long time ago and it got all jammed up while unloading unfired .357 rounds one day. Never could get it apart to fix. A Total waste of money.
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 3 года назад
The newer ones since 2015/16 are now made by CBC (who aquired both Rossi and Taurus) and it seems they have stepped up the quality control quite a bit.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
@Fred Quimby I concur with @Max Must's comment. Older Rossi's were a gamble. Newer ones are in a different league. I have an older one in 45 Colt that a channel friend gave to me. It wouldn't cycle anything. It had been victimized by a shade tree gunsmith, so I'm not sure if the feed issues were his fault, or was it just typical of older Rossi's. Maybe some day I'll work on that gun more, but right now it is in pieces put away in a box😎
@lanceroberthough1275
@lanceroberthough1275 3 года назад
Count your rounds instead of shooting until dry-fire. And if you shoot two dry-fire then you should not assume that it is dry fire it could be a hang-fire. So many of you do this on your channels. It's quite Fuddly
@callawayken650
@callawayken650 2 года назад
Remember the old days when reloading and you might drop a primer, like a penny, and think, "Oh, I'll just pick that up later!" Now, when you drop a primer you are down on your hands and knees with a magnifying glass like it was a lost contact lens!
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Haha! I do remember those days and yearn for them to return!
@thehoneybadger8089
@thehoneybadger8089 3 года назад
As long as the 38 Special has an O.A.L. of 1.50-1.55", there should be no feeding problems
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
1.5" turned out to be the magic number. So I have to concur 100%.
@BigRooster616
@BigRooster616 3 года назад
Love my Rossi 92 . I have putting rounds down the range with it for 12 Years now and she just keeps getting smoother and smoother
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I'm guessing that's what this one is going to do as well. It's already better and I've only got maybe a hundred and seventy-five rounds through it.
@larrytomlinson2606
@larrytomlinson2606 3 года назад
I never shoot 38 Special brass in a gun chambered for 357 Mag. When I want 38 Special velocities I load 357 Mag brass to the lower velocity. I don't wanted to deal with two different residue rings in the chambers. Thanks for sharing I enjoyed this video.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks. I appreciate your comment. But I specifically posted this video for the vast majority of people who still don't reload.
@m2gjam139
@m2gjam139 3 года назад
@ Larry Tomilson that's a great idea I reload but I think the action in my Henry will be smooth using that formula.. If I shoot 38s from the Henry. Thanks for the comment.
@nathanlambshead4778
@nathanlambshead4778 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite Those of us who don't reload (or in my case, no longer) whenever I shoot 38 spcl out of my 357s, like ALL guns, a good clean with solvent and a brush takes care of any residue buildup. I usually bring a swab with a bit of solvent to the range in fact, to start soaking the chamber(s) before I head home.
@sboy1955
@sboy1955 3 года назад
That’s a sensible approach. I guess I never considered doing that because I have way more 38 brass than 357..
@blueduck9409
@blueduck9409 3 года назад
I have to use a drill gun with nylon brushes to get to 2 different residue rings out. It works, but is time consuming.
@stevecorey57
@stevecorey57 3 года назад
Thanks for your videos. I like your friendly demeanor, the fact that you don’t leave out the little mistakes (no cartridge loaded), and you include us in your investigations like the cast bullet series and the Ruger Six adventure. Can’t wait to see conclusion of that. Look forward to each video every week.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks Steve. I appreciate your comment!
@alexandergennaro8596
@alexandergennaro8596 3 года назад
Love mine in 44 it just blows my mind on the quality you get, and the way rossi blows the competition away!
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I have heard lots of complaints about Rossi quality in the past, but it looks like they have upped their game now.
@muttomaki1
@muttomaki1 3 месяца назад
New rossi stainless 20” 45 colt. Racked lever twice before loading and right side cartridge guide screw fell out. Back to Rossi it goes without even trying it out. Big mistake going with Rossi Taurus.
@Arrowhead-wp8od
@Arrowhead-wp8od 18 дней назад
Same thing happened to me about a month ago the very day I got it. I sent it back and they fixed it and it has been excellent in the few days I've had it back. ​@@muttomaki1
@theguyinmaine
@theguyinmaine 3 года назад
You sure did miss your chance, "I can't remember if I loaded 5 or 6, do you feel lucky punk? Well do you?"
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Haha! I was thinking it but couldn't remember if I had used that before. I didn't want to walk all over😄😄
@Jim-Mc
@Jim-Mc 2 года назад
Disappointed to find mine won't discharge .38 spcl. at all. No problems cycling, just wouldn't fire, and I tried a variety of brands I have stockpiled.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment. I think the only thing for you to do is to buy a handgun in 38spcl and work through that stockpile of ammo😉 Seriously, I think it is asking a lot of a lever gun two cycle both short 38 Special rounds and 357 Magnum. So I don't consider it a law in Rossi's design.
@robertlangford1749
@robertlangford1749 3 года назад
If you check the end of the bullet you will see that not all bullets are built to Sammy specs some are much more narrow and they’re the ones that caused the problems
@the1bulldurham
@the1bulldurham 3 года назад
There are no SAMMI specs for bullets.
@robertlangford1749
@robertlangford1749 3 года назад
@@the1bulldurham you or correct I should’ve said for the case which there are Sammy specs For the case and most manufactures make the case 10 to 8 Thousand under Sammy specs
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
@Robert Langford Something that has popped up a few times in these comments is the need to shim out one of the cartridge guide rails to narrow the "slot" the cartridges have to pass through on the way up. That would be exacerbated by cases that were narrow as well. Thanks for your comment.
@elpelon96
@elpelon96 3 года назад
I have the same problem with mine so I just stick to 357
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Like you I will mostly shoot 357 Magnum. It just makes cleaning the gun easier because you don't get that carbon ring at the 38 Special length. The grandkids will love shooting the 38 Special loads so I'll probably keep some loaded up for them when they come by to visit.
@ZMOA2006
@ZMOA2006 2 года назад
Hello newer Rossi rifles made by CBC are way better than the older Taurus made. Just stay sure don’t use revolver loads as they are a bit shorter than regular commercial loads, also it doesn’t work with wadcutter and some semi wadcutter
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Great. Thanks for that!
@pughoneycutt1986
@pughoneycutt1986 2 года назад
I own 3 , and the only problem I ever had was with gold dot ammo cycling .so I just don't put gold dot in them, and they work just fine
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Thanks for the comment. Sounds like yours is more tolerant than mine.
@tomritter493
@tomritter493 2 года назад
I wonder how far it would knock down a deer ?
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
There is not enough power in the 357 Magnum to "knock down" a deer. But with a well-placed shot at reasonable ranges it will be one hundred percent lethal. My experience with well-placed pistol caliber shots on a deer is about a 60-yard blood trail.
@phillipmarlow5267
@phillipmarlow5267 3 года назад
I might have told you this before, but when we went to the S&W 9mm from the S&W model 10, I scooped up about 1500rnds of the issue 38 +P 158gr lead hollow point. Never had much chance to shoot any of it but started to shoot it out of the Marlin 1894 357. Not one problem (except for the fouling) Almost feels like a 22 as far as the recoil goes. BTW, just got a new Henry in 44 and another in 45-70 side loader. The 44 has the brass receiver with the octagonal bbl. Really beautiful gun and fun to shoot.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Sounds like you've been busy at the gun store!
@phillipmarlow5267
@phillipmarlow5267 3 года назад
@@TargetSuite I have. I need to stop (at least for a while) I suspect our government is going to make a move on our gun ownership and hopefully the lever gun will be off their radar. But I doubt I need to explain to you how much fun these guns are to shoot.
@wolfgangtitze9355
@wolfgangtitze9355 3 года назад
Hi George, glad you solved the issue! I think also, it would be interesting how the chamber looks like after a thousand rounds of 38 Special. Maybe you could have a look at it with your borescope and show us if there is any residue.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
I do plan on posting a video before I really clean the barrel. I'll probably post it on patreon.com and put a link for all of you guys. It would be a public video that I think a lot of folks would be interested in.
@mikerequa820
@mikerequa820 Год назад
Great video!! Glad you got it figured out. Bought the stainless 357 yesterday just put 10 rounds of 38 and 1 357 it cycled like a dream never shot 357 in lever action love the Rossi so far. Also have the 22 but not stainless. Love it as well but only put 30 rounds through it so far. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy
@hopefloats7573
@hopefloats7573 2 года назад
I prefer light load 357s. They just load a lot better.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
I agree. And mild 357 mag recoil in a carbine is suitable for almost all sensibilities.
@gagunshooting803
@gagunshooting803 2 года назад
What were the distances that you were shooting those drinks
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
The nearest was about 25 yd. The farthest about 45 yards.
@gagunshooting803
@gagunshooting803 2 года назад
@@TargetSuite 👍🏻 thanks
@waynebowman2315
@waynebowman2315 3 года назад
I have a 92 and it has been eating everything I put in it so far , I love it, good video sir
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thank you I appreciate that and thanks for watching
@ironhorse127
@ironhorse127 3 года назад
Another really enjoyable video. I’ve been fortunate with my 92 Rossi. No feeding/cycling issues with either 357 or 38 special. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Thanks! I appreciate that.
@redbone6950
@redbone6950 2 года назад
All steel products I have used (mostly auto parts) from Brazil have had a high failure rate. Like China, Brazil's steel quality is substandard. Be careful. For steel USA, Japan, Germany are best.
@terryschiller2625
@terryschiller2625 3 года назад
Hi George, that ejecting two rounds at once would have real freaked me out if that Rossi was mine. With all the lever rifles I've had never had one do that. Had failure to feed correct or jam and since I don't reload my self I just have a measuring tool to check the bullet length. Enjoyed the video always like to learn new things!, Thanks George
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Hi Terry. I wasn't freaked out but I sure was bummed out. I thought I had a video just about ready to upload. And then that happened. But it worked out and I was only a few hours late today.
@blondbowler8776
@blondbowler8776 3 года назад
Had a Mini14 that did that while firing to qualify for a DCM rifle. Kept running out of ammo real fast with 30 round magazines. And of course, the Mini throws empties 956 yards and fifty feet in the air at 2200fps. Look for my empty brass on the neighbors' roof a half mile away. Now, I use an AR that politely deposits brass in a nice neat little pile six feet to the right. I have Rossi 92s in .357 and .44. I think they are really missing the boat not chambering a 92 in .327 FM. It's a natural fit.
@garyK.45ACP
@garyK.45ACP 3 года назад
Thanks, George! Is that a Boyt gun case? Looks like one. My favorite! I have a bunch of those and they are great quality. 2:57 That's called a "binary" lever action. 😎 And they said it couldn't be done! I cast a round nose flat point (RNFP) 158 gr., similar to your Montana Bullet Works, but a little lighter. A very "bullet-y" looking bullet. I also cast a 158 gr. Keith SWC for .38/.357 cartridges. When seated out in .38 cases they both work fine in my Model 1892 Winchester converted to .357. The SWC is a little less "smooth" in operation as the sharp shoulder seems to catch just a little, but if I cycle the rifle briskly, no issues. But yes, the cartridges need to be a longer OAL to work well. Your shooting stick is a good idea. That one could also double as a canoe paddle! 😜
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
Yes that is a Boyt case. Between my son and me we have six just like that. But we have different colors :-) As for the shooting stick I was desperate. I knew I was a little wobbly today and I had put out those 12 oz cans of Diet Pepsi. If I was going to hit any of them I needed help. And that was the only "stick" in the back of the side by side.
@callawayken650
@callawayken650 Год назад
Well, my new Rossi 92 is doing the same thing using the RNFP 125 grain Mo Bullet Co. It cost me some seconds and misses in the CAS match. The bullet ejected instead of loading and I did not see it happen and found the bullet on the shelf. On the second time, I saw the bullet fall out and was able to load another round but it messed up my timing. I plan to go back to the .357 round for the length. I can try some 158 gr as I have lots of those. Sadly, Berry's plated bullets are not allowed in CAS. Boomstick Arms in Texas worked on my gun and the trigger pull is a very slick consistent 2 pounds.
@steddyk
@steddyk 3 года назад
3.2 pound trigger on a stock lever gun with .32 specials is a quick quick carbine.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 3 года назад
👍
@stevenbest1550
@stevenbest1550 5 месяцев назад
So I had the same issue, and I an using 170 grain round nose in 38 special at 38.7 mm, the same bullet length of Riffle PPU factory .38 special, and they work alright now mate.
@ifitaintbrokefixit3975
@ifitaintbrokefixit3975 2 года назад
Very enlightening
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Thanks!
@snoman003
@snoman003 10 месяцев назад
Never seemed to have a problem with my Winchester 73 even mixing 38 and .357 in the tube at the same time. It seems to function as fast as I can physically cycle the action. No issues with both factory ammo and reloads. Using a 158 gr lump for both and the action cycles smooth. Wonder what the diff is between Rossi and Winchester (Miroukuo now) as far as feeding rounds goes. Interesting...
@brianneeley9455
@brianneeley9455 11 месяцев назад
Great channel. No way you are not a gun Armorer sir. My favorites are a Marlin 1895 GBL 45-70 6+1, OR a Rossi 454 Casull that cycles🙏🏼? I am a shooter not a gunsmith is why Rossi scares me. Other than Bighorn Armory or others 5k + for a pistol round 454 no matter how cool is not worth it when 45-70 Marlin,Winchester, and Henry's exist 👍
@gunner45acp
@gunner45acp 2 месяца назад
I know this is old but i just recently saw where a gunsmith was talking about this issue and the fix was something to do with the magazine spring
@herbinator57
@herbinator57 2 года назад
This is why Henry says to only use 158 grain bullets in their 357/38 rifles.
@TargetSuite
@TargetSuite 2 года назад
Interesting. I did not know that.
@herbinator57
@herbinator57 2 года назад
Depending on the rifle some lighter loads won't cycle at all. 110, 130, 140 won't cycle in my 20 inch Henry, but will in my 16 inch. I can't figure it. The worst are 140 gr. Fiocchi
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