L C True. I agree with you there, but first of all, we’d only end up scarring Islam’s name. Secondly, innocent Muslims would be blamed for something that we have caused (if we screw up).
@@friendlyneighbourhoodbushm1904 they follow the koran idiot Say to those who disbelieve: You shall be vanquished, and driven together to hell; and evil is in the resting place. - Koran, Surah III: 12, "The Family of Imran." Sounds like war to me...
I am British. I'm born and raised in this country. And what those kind of people are doing is rly horrible. And I want to defend and serve my country to defeat terrioests. So to be fair I think there should be no reason why I shouldn't be able to join the army.
Whats the point of army when there is no war out there. How stupid a country like uk has become that prefers and recruits stupid people from commomwealth which should go back to their country and can not keep its own muslim citizens that go and fight for others. That is a failed nation. Why cant uk stop the racism and have the brexit and just close its borders to everyone even tourists for some long time and gets its control back
@TMA listen carefully to what afzal amin is saying about muslims who have gone to fight for other countries because they dont feel belonged in the uk. Not that I am against or with them but nationality must come first rather than religion. The homegrown people have had millioms of pounds invested upon them from their young life onwards. Why do you think british soldeirs go fight for others?
@@AJ-ut7rr AJ - Nationality does come first but people like you say need to be told and educated to that . However go watch an England game in the East End you will see White Black Asian kids all sporting England tops - my favourite restaurant had a huge St Georges flag on the wall. This is about militarism - go and speak to the enlisted men who have left and been screwed or their mental health social workers. The Army's pool was always poor working class kids from Northern Welsh and Scottish towns. The military refused to ID PTSD after the Falklands even when the US spotted it decades earlier given the amounts of suicides amongst returned Vietnam Veterans doubled that of combat deaths. Left behind financially - even my brothers mate, a Major in the RM earns less than a basic professional City worker. This goes much deeper its a recruitment problem because parents are no longer seeing the military as what it was and they are trawling and looking at making the Army more 'inclusive' - issue is not so much the Navy and RAF given their greater bias towards technical disciplines but the Army is and always will be a different beast and has to be given the ultra ugly nature of ground warfare . Look at WW1 and how many poor kids were shot for desertion and cowardice by the Army even when they were shell shocked or underage and all round terrified. Then compare with the German statistics. We have always treated the Tommy with contempt as the poem by Kipling succinctly described. People complain about behaviour in Army towns etc. The security guard at a certain bank I worked for was the father of the Scottish kid who left his post, captured and killed in Afghanistan/Iraq (sorry I cannot remember which theatre) , my mate taught a kid in South London who went into the Army and killed in Iraq. The parents said they would have done anything to get them back. Make the Army a proper career , pay people better , look after them and people will join. My mates uncle was an Asian Lieutenant Colonel in the RAMC at the time, but its a world away from the drink fuelled thuggery you saw in the enlisted circles. Go look at the Officer corp - you will get people joining of the right mindset but the enlisted ranks are not that nice a life for any kid. Why are so few middle class kids joining the enlisted from down South - says it all. No one is complaining about them. Working class kids of all walks of life are waking up that the Army is not about skiing , diving , football like the adverts (and Capita too given £500m GBP on a failed recruitment campaign) but being sent often with crap kit to fight open ended illegal wars. The US even introduced 'stop loss' again to prevent people leaving at the end of their enlistment and not since Vietnam did you see people start to flee to Canada - albeit in small numbers. Look at 1990 Irag - Britain fought alongside a coalition of Saudis, Free Kuwaiti, Syrians, Qatari's, Omani's, Egyptian, Bangladeshis, etc after Saddam Hussein , like Bin Laden were no longer 'our men on the ground' and threw off their shackles. No widespread discussion on this topic back then, when the military was much bigger and the % much lower but then we also never had 9/11. The enlisted Army is no longer an attractive career or great workplace or payer when two wars are on and the legacy it left behind. Thats why they are trying to so hard with this. You do not see drives to recruit Muslim men and women (or anyone for that matter) to apply and work their guts out to get into 5-6 years of medical training and paying tens of £00's to do so in order to be doctors to serve in our NHS or Police forces and serve all the peoples of this country, or engineers, scientists etc. Think about this ..
Go Pray Don't Delay went mosque for about 7 years daily, read the Quran, but I’m not too religious I do know the basics and am not the best Muslim but I try
But are you from commonwealth or were raised in the UK? I think you come from commonwealth and should not even be in the UK that politicins have allowed. Did you go over what we went through when growing up?No. YOU WERE GROWN IN COMMONWEALTH AND NOT IN UK SO YOU HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH UK.
@@jameslightningappleby Why should god only save one person above all the else. Lol can you simply put them above all else. You may say. Please save etc. Please grant me good health etc.
You can’t be Muslim and fight for non-Muslim causes. Especially when those non-Muslims are fighting against Islam. But I don’t need to tell you that. You already know. I don’t need to explain what will happen to you on the Day Of Judgement if you join the Kuffr army just as I don’t need to explain that the sun exists. It’s as clear as day.
@Itz Facts That’s not true. Read the Quran. “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of ṭāghūt.” (Quran 4:76) It’s not just about fighting against Muslims. It’s also about what/who you’re fighting for. The non-Muslims do not fight for the cause of Allah (which is Tawheed aka so that Allah’s word/command becomes the highest). They fight for unbelief, disobedience to Allah, obedience to the Shaytaan, polytheism, blasphemy, paganism, etc. So whoever joins their ranks has joined the fight against Allah and His religion. See Sunan an-Nasa'i 3136 in-book reference: Book 25, Hadith 52, English translation: Vol. 1, Book 25, Hadith 3138. Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari said: "A Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and said: 'A man fights for fame, or he fights for the spoils of war, or he fights to show off. Who is the one who is fighting in the cause of Allah?' He said: 'The one who fights so that the word of Allah will be supreme is the one who is fighting in the cause of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime.'"
If this country was threatened by Russia I would expect British Muslims to defend the country. But I don't expect them to join up to fight against other Muslims in the Middle East where only our interests are threatened , not our country. In WW2 you wouldn't have expected British Italians to join up to fight Mussolini.
Fantastic point, youve given the game away there pal... So in you statement you've just said that ISIS terrorists and other terrorists networks around the middle east ARE Indeed muslims and the very reason why muslims in this country won't call them out and/or fight them is because of their alliance towards them, "Muslim brotherhood" hey 😉. We knew it all along but its great to hear from the horses mouth.
I think its not only an issue in Britain, but its an issue around the world in terms of military recruitment. A bit of "racism" and stereotypes still run in the military recruitment process, especially those voluntarily armed forces. Countries tend to recruit the so called "natives" or majority ethnic group in their military. For example in some countries like Malaysia, there is a specific regiment which only allows ethnic Malays in that regiment, and also in Indonesia ethnic chinese are usually neglected for recruitment in the military, although some are recruited (to camouflage the actual recruiting process), but this is a normal thing if it comes to recruitment based on ethnicity. But religion shouldnt be a problem.
I would want to join the army but. Why would I want to put my life at risk for racist organisations like the Edl or bnp who want to ban Islam in the uk
In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment [from Allah] because they [habitually] used to lie. [2:10]
Why should we show gratitude to a country we love but hates us? We have a right to fight for Queen and country. yet at the same time the people of Britain are turning against us and declaring us terrorists! Even Islam says to fight for your homeland and defend your home by participating in conscription regardless of which country you are in and what their ideology is! Good day
@Michael King That doesn't change motives. Religion and motives are two separate identities and if people are generalizing both of the, it is a guaranteed conflict.
Most British Muslims are Muslims first and British second .... too many British foreign policy goals conflict with Islamism. Islam before country for most Muslims.
And why do you want to fight for a non-islamic cause? The British Army is fighting the Taliban and other groups attempting to establish Islam so why would you want to go and fight against the soldiers of Allah?
400 thousand British Muslims fought for Britain in WW2, 62 thousand Muslims lost their life for this country, more than any other religion other than Christianity. Is this really the respect you show?
@@zay_kash how Plus 400.,000 Muslim soldiers from undivided India fought in WW1 and without them Britain would’ve been defeated oh and my own Muslim great grandad fought in ww1 and my mums dad and his brothers all served in the British Indian army until partition Tell me how it’s not allowed when Muslims have been in the British army for years
@@electronial736 Yeh your right in your world. However in the real world; shouting: "ali snackbar", while he was killing specifically non!!! muslims gives a more realistic picture to the rest of humanity with open minds. 2+2=4
@@electronial736 Good you have accepted that when someone e.g. this murderer shouts ali snackbar while killing/gunning down specifically non muslims it's not because he was a Christian or French. 2+2+4 Stay on point; Does murder rate when people adopt islam increase? When you jump onto other historical events or discussions it does not make or give your original point validity. So stay on the subject matter at hand.
@@danieloliver9930 Read before it's too late I pretty much see why Islam is the fastest growing religion and your youths are converting in the west to Islam from darkness.
@L C wrong! they don't revere him as a deity as it would actually take them out of Islam hence they can't even make drawings or idols of him.Secondly, a pedophile is a person who has a primarily or exclusive sexual attraction to pre pubescent children.Most of the Prophet Muhammads wives were old women ( his first wife being 15 years his junior so around 40) and Aisha r.a the wife in question only went to live with him AFTER SHE REACHED PUBERTY.Her age is also up for contention (she was already engaged to another man before the prophet amongst other reasons).Please do your homework before you spread false information dude! Btw Islam is one of the only religions that actually sets conditions to marry I.e not only physically capable but to be psychologically mature too and with the permission of their guardian and not against their will.
@L C hence why I said the age of her marriage is disputed. But like I said the actual marriage was only consummated when she reached an age of maturity and puberty so regardless of what agreements were made prior to it, if Aisha didn't agree post puberty then the marriage would be null. If she was forced and suffered trauma from such a marriage, it would have shown in her life and the memoirs she left behind of such abuse. Your explanation is a non sequitur as muslims don't see Muhammad pbuh as a deity, so you must be talking about another religion.The revere 9show admiration for) him as a prophet nothing more!
I wanted to join the navy but when I went to the interview 17 years ago they asked me to shave my beard I thought what next do I have to eat pork as well
I find this hard to believe, all religions are respected and catered for. Doesn’t matter your ethnicity, nationality, religion, age or sex the army has a strong stance on equality and diversity
As brave heart said men don't follow titles they follow courage and if u would only lead them into battle then they would follow and so would I for god's sake trust yourself and the Muslims you would have a powerful army
the overall quality of the british army would be diminished if there were a significant number of muslims in it. trusting muslims is also not advisable.
@@ifzash5044 Different times and for the most part different muslims. At the time britain was occupying various foreign lands and some of the peoples of those lands chose to serve the empire over their own nations. I would argue that any muslim who willingly served the empire (which was run primarily by christianized anglos and some jews) was not a true muslim.
@@ifzash5044 very few people in the UK are christian anymore; certainly they don't fit the biblical definition. The politicians certainly aren't. Though in many ways that's a good thing as christianity, like islam, is a semitic delusion.
@@alfarouqalderwish1336 thats a lie as a sas or any specials forces members can't tell of there profession even to their own family it has to be a secret. You been caught out pal
@@yehiarizk1836 Not to bad, been in Ten Year. Anyone wanting to join any the Armed Forces ie: Army, Navy or Air Force as Regular or Reserve, look well into all different job roles and trades.
@Arthur james Fun fact, more Irish serving in British Armed Forces than Irish Defence Force. Plus would not let me in Irish Defence so went looking other places. Cousin been in French Foreign Legion last two years.
see how u people ignoring the real fact the you are telling the no of muslim soldier from india but not talking about the hindu soldier which were 10 times of them where are our sikh kumaoun dogra mharata madras you forgot all of them come to india ill show u india gate
@@ABNJIM10 o.k. assuming (that) you are white, would you fight for a Country, which has -Historically; hated (on) and "subjugated"/what -not; white -peeps??
Islam is not a terrorist In practicing Islam killing a fellow is strictly prohibited Even though different religions in Islam kill one person the same as killing all people in the world
Not haram, but kufr "Those who believe (in Allah) are fighting in the way of Allah, those who disbelieve (in Allah) fight in the way of the taghut" (Surah 4, Ayah 76)
