Himalayan 450 as the whole package will make you feel satisfied but Triumph will always make you want more. More size, more offroad capability, more equipment. A premium RE is much better than a base Triumph. To be honest I would rather pick a bajaj made by RE rather than a Triumph made by Bajaj😂
With RE's Pathetic half baked quality. had to sell my Himalyan 2020 BS6 in matter of 15K on ODO. Replaced Battery, Speedometer, Suspension ....I'm afraid to put my money once again to RE. Lets see How triumph catch on long run ..before i put my money on Triumph
Scrambler 400 has much smoother engine and the initial punch is better.. bulid quality is miles ahead of himalayan and offere traction control. However if u r looking for a machine thats thoroughbred for offroading himalayan is the one to go for and it has a vast service network. U can walk into any of these two showrooms and be a happy customer after all
Scrambler 400 is more practical it looks nice it has all necessary features it has nice build quality it has traction control it is good for city use it is 11 kg lighter it has tubeless alloy wheels it is triumph not royal Enfield it has better finish triumph also have better low end torque and mid it has better service quality and main thing it is cheaper than himalayan base model
I'm glad I'm an owner of 400x it meets my requirements and I'm happy with it. And in the off-road sense it makes up to the point, only lacking I felt is that it could have a larger tank. Mostly it's a eye catcher, even the RE showroom guys were staring admiring my bike when i parked in front of the showroom 😅😅. And IMO the gps is just a worthless gimmick instead I would mount my phone to the handlebar if it requires charging tho.
Basically depends on what u need, if ur purpose is fully off road go for Himalayan. But if u r looking for a multipurpose vehicle and don’t go for heavy off road scram will be a better choice.scram is easily manageable in everyday use
@@Zilla010 IMO, If you want a pure offroad bike Himalayan is the way to go. But 400x is more practical in day to day usage,tubeless tyres, size advantage, city driving abilities, maneuvering abilities, also we can do mild off roading with it. 400x is my pick. Also RE service is the worst, that's one of the main reason for me to pick 400x.
The answer to the questions you guys are asking is quite easy to answer if you watched the video. The triumph is lighter, more refined, smaller, better build quality and has about the same power figures while being considerably cheaper than the Himalayan on-road. All of this aids a lot in day to day usage
Though, we highly recommend you test ride both the bikes. The Himalayan would be a good bike if you want a bike to go on long tours and off-roading excursions. The Scrambler would be a better bike for the urban jungle and some mild off-roading.
Liked the comparisons / reviews. But you got the pricing for the Himalayan WRONG. The difference is over 25000 after introductory pricing has been discontinued. The major difference is the tubeless tires.... Sadly you missed it.
Triumph 400x all the way! I love how he was trying to be "unbiased" but said how great it was to have google maps on the TFT screen with the Himi, but you still have to keep your phone open and on- oh but no worries they have a type C charger isn't that great? ok so the Triumph has a type c charger on the handle bars as well! so there is no difference you need to use your phone either way to have google maps so just use your phone instead of that TFT display. it's not an advantage- it's a useless feature that nobody will ever use!
Long tours, good off roading then go for Hymalayan 450, city ride, small off roading go for Scam400x. But I feel for city riding you do not need bigger engines like 400cc you can very well do with smaller 200cc engines also with good mileage. As it said, In India many buy the 2 wheelers based on emotions but not based on practical usage.
Both the bikes are built well. Royal Enfield has come a long way in that regard. And yes, we agree with you, the Scrambler would be a better pick if you don't want to go off-road a lot.
Scram looks small in real even the pillion comfort is bad. Himalayan looks like a mamoth in real.. Btw I backed out from buying both as there are complaints in both being reported
I don’t know how many wants to do off roading but surely that might not be the reason to chose Himalayan … it’s all the subjective and emotional choice firstly and remaining reasons comes next ❤
Dont compare himalayan and triumph scrambler 400.Himalayan is a pure beast in its segment.People who comment here please go and have a look both the bikes.
Not really, practicality wise Scrambler makes more sense. Out of 10000 kms, how many kms would you be hardcore off-roading. Let’s not bring hate as motorcycle lovers. Think logically and best to test ride both before generalising.
Your the 1st channel to actually claim the himalayan is better than the triumph, or that the brakes of the triumph aren't good enough. Whereas every other channel speaks otherwise. Also for a fact the New Himalayan suspension is nothing compared to the older himalayan which was known for its pluah ride and this is confirmed by new himalayan owners on insta
Many other channels claim that the new Showa suspension is top notch and far superior to the old one (MotorInc, Itchy Boots and an Aussie channel, I think). The new bike does not wallow like the old one which was apparently the cost of the plush ride. As far as I remember, other channels have also commented on the Triumph's brakes and that is because the Scrambler 400X does not get sintered pads. This is an easy fix as you can get the sintered pads from the Speed 400 installed in the 400X.
Are bhai kiska competition kar rahe ho.. fir bhi Himalayan sab kuchh khud ka deta hai matlab royal Enfield ka.... But scrambler 400x to sab kuchh bajaj ka hai😂
@@evoIndia the longest round trip I’ve been on with it has been around 600 miles , but as you know they are capable of global extravaganzas , one time I saved a small calf cow from being killed by a large black wolf , stop bike near fish trap fishing access in sw Montana , and yelled and threw things until the wolf retreated, I’ve also taken it form Butte MT down to the Ruby Range of mountains and up over the top of them , Lots of beware of grizzly signs but never jumped one , came within literal inches of deer and big buck antelope on that trip to , mines an 08 and is black , I keep it super clean , big knobby tires and dr after market pipe , she’s gorgeous still her name is simply black beauty or blackie , I currently have about 18,000 miles on it . Thanks for askin
@@pravinmurthy if you want a better road machine which got better perfomance or handling or braking the speed 400 is far superior then what's the point of getting a scram .
I own a Scram 400 X and practically this one is the best. I had my hand on the new 450 himalayan and i did not feel happy regarding the bike even tho both of them come from very diff genre. Triumph's build quality is top notch than RE. Now i'm a happy Scrambler 400 X owner.
scrambler 400x is not even comparable to himalayan IMO, yes it's better in city but that's about it, suspension, breaks, off roading, ground clearance, the better screen, highway crusing himalayan is way way better, especially the suspension it's not even close in my opinion
For those that are looking for quality Triumph > RE ... For the REH, It's just the "SUV" looks that gives the rider a perception of riding a bigger bike ... Nit realising the extra weight and bulk is only useful on the most crazy off roads. For all else Scrambler is better.
You are lying. I own a Speed 400 which is similar to Scrambler X , but just couple of days ago I test rode Himalayan 452, and I would say Himalayan 452 is amazing. Overall built quality, driving dynamics and built quality is better than Speed/Scrambler. I wish to sell my Speed just to get a Himalayan now.
I test drove both, i enjoyed both equally but chose Scrambler for the reasons below.. 1. Scram was lighter compared to RE-H. 2. Scram was cheaper, I can use the money i saved on riding gear, trips, accessories. 3. RE-H had a 4 month waiting period, while i got same day delivery for the scrambler (Jan 1st 2024). 4. Scrambler has tubeless tyres and RE-H has tube tyres. 5. Im a 35 year old boring uncle, so mostly family trips on 4 wheels..got the bike for occasional weekend rides..
@@abhi__fitnesspbx Himalayan is also great great bike better in terms of touring capability and off road abilitys there is no comparison in it class but. It has its own problems like you seen the video
@@CSK_Forever_shorts do you know new Himalayan capable of highway crusing much faster than scambler can go upto 165+ you can cruise it all day at 135 on highway Can you watch abhinav bhatt video on RU-vid Néw Himalayan review by 120gs bmw and triumph tiger1200 owners please they are very experienced riders
@@CSK_Forever_shortsthe scrambler wins for me in a way that it can be a daily rider. The himalayan is obnoxiously large for daily driving. I love tge new Himalayan but if someone wants to do daily riding and occasional touring and offroading, the scrambler makes more sense.
Things I didnt like in 400X #1 analogue speed digital tacho (barely readable). They should have been swapped for analog tachometer IMHO #2 No main stand (cleaning chain becomes a hassel on long rides) #3 Chain on right side (is not easily accessible because of exhaust) #4 Pillion footpeg is too close to rider footpeg (pillion feet touches riders) #5 lack of windscreen for long highway rides Things I dont like in Himalayan #1 Tube type tyres (tubeless wheels gonna be expensive and go knows when they will arrive) #2 slightly heavy bike (bumper to bumper traffic will be a chore) #3 fit and finish not at par with 400X My pick is Himalayan because I'm a person who prefers function over form. Sure triumph 400x has better fit finish is cheaper and has tubeless tyre but Himalayan has better riding dynamics, better touring capabilities, sitting posture ACCORDING TO ME AND MY REQUIREMENT. Only thing holding me back is tube tyre but i guess eventually ill be able to deal with it down the line
Hey, good analysis there, and if that has helped you reach the conclusion that Himalayan would be a better bike for you, we really feel so happy for you! We can't wait to hear your experiences with the Himalayan.
@@uma8265it’s been 6 month still there is no update on tubeless tyre from RE that’s hint how RE service is gonna be. I took test drive of both bike scrambler feels very nimble n agile but REH has better suspension which makes me happy while riding it but those spoke tyre n bad RE service is my main concern 🙁.
I’m looking to buy my first bike and I’m deciding between these two. My use is mostly city and occasional highway touring. Design, handling and quality wise I’m leaning toward the Triumph but it looks a tad small on me given my large frame. Given my use, are there any advantages of the Himalayan over the Scrambler? Also if anyone could share what the expected maintenance costs could be for both bikes
Himalayan 450, hands down, simply because I would want to go off road. I have ridden off road with 150 mm suspension travel and it's not enough. The 21" front rim also helps immensely. It's worth the 20k over the 400X.
I have ridden both scrambler 400X and Himalayan. And The answer is simple Himalayan is trash. It's always the fan boys who are overrating the Himalayan . The Himalayan vibrates so much for both pillion and rider, that I felt very bad tingling at foot pegs. The bike even vibrates when standing still in traffic and is very hard to maneuver, my brother had a very bad cramp as soon as he lifted the bike from side stand. And he is a fanboy, but after the experience he has lost all the respect for Himalayan. We rode both scrambler and Himalayan on the same day so I know the exact difference. And if you observe all the reviewers will compare Himalayan's J series engine with royal Enfields previous engine and say the vibrations are less but if you compare it with scrambler the answer is obvious, Himalayan is trash. This is coming from a person who was considering buying Himalayan due to all the hype but the reality is very different from what the reviews tell you. The showroom experience is very bad in RE , they won't even give you a printed quotation and will advise you to get it from the website instead. Also the Himalayan has lots of issues, while the scrambler had only one issue that is stalling on 3-4th gear which is resolved. My experience is from Pune showrooms. Decide for yourself. ✌️ Peace!
Himalayan all the way, I just love the looks of it first and suspension is fantastic, if all i wanted was something comfortable for city i would've just bought an active and be done with it. We are buying these bikes not for practicality but because we want them, and in that scenario himalayan seems much better atleast for me
Bro. If you love to ride.... How can you like an activa for the city.... I do agree that the Himalayan excels at real off roads which only 0. 1% of us really do.
@@amischieff an active is better in the city than any 400cc bike i've tried, its so much more practical and easy to use and manuverable as well, again as i said in my initial comment, practicality isn't really what we are looking for when buying a 40hp bike in india and even in the city 400x vs 450 himalayan isn't as big as the reviews are portraying do a test ride once to see. but the suspension and off road is a very very big difference between them, rode it in shit roads of bangalore and the suspension of himalayan is unbelievable you go through a pot hole and you feel like you just over a slight bump
I have taken h450 rental 400x rental and I rode in city traffic. H450 I can handle well and u will never tired bcz of riding posture and mainly suspension. Scrambler is also same in terms of handling in traffic but suspension is not up to h450 (we know why) Heat dissipation n management for both are good in bumper to bumper. Comfort, big bike feel , extra for same money more or less (suspension, fuel tank, seating position,pillion comfort ) h450 is my pick. Even though you don’t go off roading, it can be single bike in garage. Drive both bikes n decide which suits you.
It's funny that nobody is talking about it that more than half of India don't even have a single Triumph dealership, while RE is at every nook and cranny.
Great video. I'm from Brazil, 66 years old and presently I don't have any motorcycle (In the 70's I had a Honda CB200, and when I sold it, I didn't have opportunity of buying another), and now I am trying to choose a proper one mainly for dirty road rides, etc. In our present days here is being sold the old model of Himalayan at good prices, but after watching some videos I think I will wait for the new model (Himalayan 450). Hope it will be sold at a good price (good for the buyer, of course!).
Himalayan all day all way multipurpose bike with good service network. Triumph every 1000 km you have to put 100 ml of engine oil if you forget engine will be in trouble. Same with new ktm 390
@@nathandalleave252 he has lost his mind. Who wil put 100ml of oil every 1k kms ? What sort of reason it is ? 😂 Either he is hater of Triumph or owner of Himalayan. As a owner of Versys 650 and Duke 390, i can say, if maintained will, no need to pour oil additionally. Have completed 55k on Duke 390. Just changing oil every 6.5k kms once. Last time when chnaged oil, i measured old oil quantity. It measured 1ltr 650ml. 100ml less that too after riding for 6.5k kms which is totally normal.
I think you mentioned on the technology front that the Royal Enfield wins. But they are 2 entirely different approaches-aren't they! The Triumph has being true to it's retro style in keeping with previous scramblers not only it's aesthetic look but also the look of the engine as well. Royal Enfield on the other hand have gone in a completly new direction from the old Himalayan to create not only an all new Himalayan but also a modern interpretation. The instrument cluster on the Triumph is retro in keeping with the rest of the bike & the way it looks. But you do have a combination of Analogue & Digital information which I think is a good compromise. Easy enough to mount your phone on the handlebar using an X Grip & navigate directly using your phone-which you would be doing anyway with the Himalayan as it still uses your phone to link into the instrument cluster. Even so a great feature on the Himalayan. I have a Meteor 350 with the tripper & I must say if I'm using the tripper for navigation it's certainly easier to read than if I was using just my phone on a bright day. I think where the Himalayan has missed the mark a bit is the weight which was an issue that some people had with the old bike. 196 kg wet isn't much of an improvement over the 200 kg wet of the old Himalayan. I think part of the problem is that the bike has become longer-taller & wider than the previous model. You can see this with these 2 bikes side by side-the Himalayan looks the bigger bike & unfortunatly that has effected the attempts made at more significant savings in weight. The engineer of the Sherpa engine claimed he saved 10 kg over the old LS410 engine. So in theory we should have seen the weight come in at 190 kg. However somewhere it's put on 6 kg despite the new frame using engine as a stressed member. Part of the problem also perhaps lies in the swing arm of the Himalayan which to me looks like their typical steel swing arm. This is hugely disappointing on a modern interpretation as if you look at the Triumph you'll see it's using an ally frame & so do practically every other manufacturer, even the new CF Moto 450MT. I'd be very interested to compare the dimensions of the New Himalayan from lite middleweight segment with that of the Aprilia Tourag 660 in the middleweight segment. I'd be surprised if their's much difference.
Hey Frank you do have some valid points there. Yes these are two different approaches, but when Karan compared the features, its looking at them very objectively. In a market like ours where features solely can make or break a vehicle, it becomes quite crucial.
What is the weight limit on each bike?! I am always confused about the full load weight! Do they count the total weight of the bike + how much on the top or only the load weight without the bike?! Thanx ✌️😎
*Trying tring. The road shown in this video is not 'off road' that demands spoked wheels. Those alloys on Scrambler and KTMs have been tested for these conditions. Get the spokes if you see yourself jumping with the 200 kg bike Enduro style and dropping your bike on rocks. For me, I am never going to carry my 10k+ phone and 4lakh+ bike on such expeditions ever!
Yes, it's not a proper off-road section but since its the kind of road many of us who are eyeing one of these bikes, would encounter, we decided to pick it.
Scrambler is more practical and versatile bike then Himaliyan 452 be it off road, city, highway , hills . Properly weight balanced bike, easily to ride in traffic , traction control , tubless tire , very high quality build and finish. RE himilian is only for off road adventure and highway cruise.
You could buy 2 Him 450 and their accessories for the price of one base model NX500. Honda overpriced it so high. If it was 4.5 or even 5L on road then I would have picked it over the Himalayan. For 7.5L it's not that much better than the Himalayan. Him is 75% there for half the price.
You said 'its not as potent as previous Himalayan'.How 24.5 bhp and 32Nm torque are more potent than 40 bhp and 40Nm torque? HOW? Will you care to explain or were you just blabbering?
