Royer R-10 Hot Rod | First Tests with an AC30

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In my continuing quest to improve the sound quality of the videos, I bought this Royer Labs R-10 Hot Rod ribbon mic.
Let's see how it does by itself and paired with a trusty SM57.
USE REAL SPEAKERS OR HEADPHONES!
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These are things I get asked about a lot :
Amp Tech Gear Used :
Hakko FX-951 soldering station
Weller SPG 80L soldering iron (chassis work)
Rigol DS1054Z digital oscilloscope
Thsinde 18B+ digital multimeters
Kester 60/40 solder
Techspray #4 No-Clean Desoldering Braid
Below are things that make this channel possible that people don’t usually think about. If any of these companies want to send me new and wonderful toys, I’m open to that. I can’t take free stuff when it comes to the amps I review, etc, but for the stuff below, bribe away!
Microphones/Audio Equipment :
Guitar Amps : Shure SM57 (noted in videos)
Bass Amps : Sometimes a Shure Beta 52, other times just an SM57
Voiceover Bench : sE Audio sE8 (small diaphragm condenser)
Voiceover Streaming : Shure SM57 with shockmount and windscreen
Voiceover Mic Arms : Elgato Wave Mic arms
Guitar Mic Stand : Gator Frameworks short weighted base stand with boom
Mic Cables and Guitar Cables : Mogami/Neutrik
Mic pre : MOTU M2
DAW : Logic Pro X on MacBook Pro 16 running Sonoma 14.0
Plugins : No effects other than level matching/normalization unless a recording
specifically has reverb etc added in post (rare, various Waves plugins)
Monitors : Yamaha HS7s
Monitor Stands : Gator Frameworks Desktop Clamp-On Stands
Monitor Isolation Mounts : IsoAcoustics Iso-Puck Minis
Headphones : Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro (main)
Headphones : Sony MDR-7506 (alternate)
Video Equipment :
Camera : Sony ZVE-10 with SmallRig Cage (main)
Lens : Sigma f2.8 18-50mm (main)
Lens : Sony ZVE10 kit lens (rarely used)
B Camera : Apple iPhone 13 Pro (rarely used)
Tripod : SmallRig 71” with SmallRig Fluid Video Head
Streaming Mount : Elgato Master Mount S with SmallRig Ballhead
Bench Light : SmallRig RC 120D
Bench Light Diffusor : SmallRig Lantern Softbox
Bench C-Stands (light and overhead camera) : Neewer Pro SS Heavy Duty
Streaming Light : SmallRig RC 120B
Streaming Diffusor : SmallRig Parabolic Softbox
Streaming Light Mount : SmallRig 148CM Wall Mount Boom with Triangle Base
Various Other Lights : Neewer LED Panels with Neewer Softboxes
Video Software :
Davinci Resolve 18.6
Paul Leeming LUTs
Adobe Illustrator 28.0
Adobe Photoshop 25.0
Ecamm Live (streaming software)

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Комментарии : 52

@sgt.grinch3299 10 месяцев назад

I enjoy the demonstrations. Making music sound good is a lot harder than I ever imagined. Thank you for the education of the science of sound Sir.

@damianstrochnetter9735 10 месяцев назад

Mic-ing guitars/guitar amps ........ down the rabbit hole you go mate!

@gbarrancos1 10 месяцев назад

Tasty sounding capture! Thanks for sharing!

@weschilton 10 месяцев назад

I definitely like the sound of the R10 and the closer you get the better it sounds!

@cmatte82 10 месяцев назад

Yeah mics and especially ribbon mics are a fun thing to experiment with. Ribbons tend to be some of my favorite mics. They just sound the most natural to me. Condensers tend to be "too real" especially in the highs. And some dynamics seem to lack some realism and detail in the highs. Where ribbons are normally kind of in the middle.

@JAugust 10 месяцев назад

The proximity effect of the R-10 was very evident as it moved closer. That's quite useful.

@voxpathfinder15r 10 месяцев назад

It’s cool if you want more bass in your recording, just move mic closer instead of messing with tone controls. Problem is everyone defaults to microphone immediately on grille cloth, so there’s no where to go.

@jaronensley 10 месяцев назад

Big time

@TheMoodyLoners 10 месяцев назад

Great and revealing demo. Using both mics panned was perfection

@gben2457 10 месяцев назад

Both sound really nice. I used a 57 on a gooseneck stuck under the amp handle when playing live...never let me down. Thanks for another informative video Lyle.

@philipbard2333 10 месяцев назад

I appreciate these succinct demonstrations. I like the sound of the Royer.

@kiwibass 8 месяцев назад

Great demo - thanks! The R-10 HR sounds really great, which should be expected considering the price. Yet I'm surprised how the SM 57 still holds its own, especially as comes at about 10 per cent of the price (at least over here in Germany). When soloed, one can tell the difference. Whether or not the same is true when it's buried in the mix, is a different story...

@daustin777 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this demo. I've been considering the R10 or R10 Hot Rod as my next mic purchase.

@JoshRoberts-fo5gq 10 месяцев назад

Over all nice mic demo

@MichaelSmith-rn1qw 10 месяцев назад

I liked the R-10 about 8 inches from the speaker, early in your video. Of course, you really can't go wrong with an SM-57 on a guitar amp.

@mikewolfe9458 10 месяцев назад

I just got a Coles 4038 as my first ribbon mic. Capturing these sounds is a fun rabbit hole. I’ll eventually pick up a Royer, and I’m looking forward to seeing more of your tests with this one. Thanks for sharing!

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Don’t use that Coles up against a speaker like this! Lovely room mics though.

@Auxend 10 месяцев назад

Loved the R-10 by itself at 4 inches. ❤ (AirPod pro2)

@badmongleo 10 месяцев назад

The R10 sounds really good super nice in combination with the 57. Cool to hear all the different positions moving mics around can really make or brake the sound. I just spent a lot of money on a really nice LDC stereo pair and now I wish I had some ribbons to. Microphones are addictive. Good stuff

@davedaveleadguitar 10 месяцев назад

I think that's a great choice in microphone for cabs, I use one myself! Ive even done some recording with an acoustic and its sounds pretty darn good all by itself!! Such a thick sound from the Royer!! My favourite would be @ 01:38 and maybe its because of that riff at 1:45, WHOA! sounds amazing!!! Tastey Licks!!! Thanks for sharing your recodings!! Lots of editing too!

@scottwilcox6313 10 месяцев назад

I really like the R10 at 4 inches sounds well balanced. I hope you try a humbucker, or did you and I just can't tell, sounds great. Great content as usual thanks Lyle.

@HandWiredAmps 10 месяцев назад

Nice! My R10 hasn't seen daylight in quite a while, maybe I should get it out for a bit. I was multi miking cabs, but moved away from it, maybe I got lazy. I start thinking about ribbons and start looking at an AEA R88 🧐

@TheAT5000 10 месяцев назад

Man... I might need to get one of those... Loved the R-10 sound in all positions. Unlike that e906 you tested the other day... That sounded bad (to my ears) everywhere.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

The e906 was returned. No bueno.

@randysteffes97 10 месяцев назад

Nice!

@eaglerayrob 10 месяцев назад

Kind of a tangent comment, but still cab mic related. I wonder how the AEA R92 compares to the Royer 121?

@kevinfarrellUK 10 месяцев назад

Just wondering Lyle, as you are the only one here who hears the amp unrecorded, do you notice anything particular in the difference between the live amp sound and what the mics ‘do’ to the recorded tone? How true to what you hear live is the recorded track? (I am assuming your goal is to get as near to parity as poss.) Cheers and thanks again for great content! ;))

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Kevin. Of these, the 4” R-10 by itself and the last clip with both mics are the closest to how the amp sounds in the room, though I think I can get it better still.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

I also think when you hear other amps and parts that aren’t Tele bridge you’ll hear more of interest. That’s an upper mids-focused sound and both mics handled those mids similarly.

@Iam_Dunn 10 месяцев назад

Ouuuu, another ribbon mic I can accidentally fry with phantom power… cuz, I’m stupid like that! :) That’s a great sounding mic! :)

@WonkeyWabbit 10 месяцев назад

You are only likely to fry very old vintage ribbon mics with phantom power. Any modern ribbon won't be harmed by phantom power.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Can be if you have patch bays etc, but not in regular use.

@WonkeyWabbit 10 месяцев назад

I like it, it sounds really good to me. I'm surprised you think the R-10 is brighter sounding than the R-121, as the R-10 frequency response falls off a bit above 5kHz (by about 3dB), whilst the 121 stays flat up to about 10kHz and falls away far less in the upper frequency ranges. But the R-10 does have slightly less bass roll-off, so a slightly fuller low-end. Being a fig-8 mic, the proximity effect is more pronounced that a cardioid like an SM57, so adjusting the distance from the grille allows a bit more fine-tuning of the lows. A quick way to position two mics for phase alignment is to pass a pink noise signal through the amp, flip the polarity of one of the mics and move one relative to the other to get the deepest null you can get (different frequency responses means you'll never get silence). You'll need to do this wearing closed-back headphones, though you don't need the amp to be loud for this method.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

I’m going by my memory of the R-121 which was stolen many years ago. The R-10 seems to have more happening in the upper mids. But that’s against a remembered impression. I know the pink noise trick and for a critical recording I’ll do that. For these first tests I wanted to see how they’d do just eyeballing the diaphragm/ribbon. The waveforms said it was close to perfect and the summing had no oddities. But the pink noise thing is a great tip. Some of the figure 8 stuff I can’t take advantage of in this bad sounding room. You can hear the room in the 12” and 8” clips (being six inches above a hardwood floor didn’t help).

@WonkeyWabbit 10 месяцев назад

@@PsionicAudio Sorry to hear your mic got stolen.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

I know who did it but can’t prove it. Grr.

@Murry_in_Arizona 10 месяцев назад

Lyle, that's the basic mic setup Tim Pierce uses in his crazy "cockpit" of a home studio.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Well, kinda. He has the R-122V, which is a $4K mic. Running into very expensive mic pres. But I think he’d be fine with this humbler setup too.

@kylecoffey6010 10 месяцев назад

How do you like R10 compared to the 121? I have a 121 & I don't always love it. We do a lot of down tuning & the 121 is a touch too thick at times? Would love some feedback from this with experience!

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

I don’t know yet, I’ve only had it for two days. But so far I think it will be great once I get a more intuitive sense of how it do.

@kylecoffey6010 10 месяцев назад

@@PsionicAudio thank you for the reply on this! I thought your demo sounded fantastic. I think it's possible that this mic is a touch clearer or brighter than the 121. I really dug what you did & am thinning l thinking about get one to try!

@pageyjjj 10 месяцев назад

so.......... just get a sm57? (I actually like the Royer at 8" best.)

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Stay tuned for other amps/speakers. The 57 is great but it has some weaknesses. Those areas are the strengths of the R-121 so I want to know how this less expensive R-10 does in that role.

@Fr0stbyte89 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, the Royer definitely has some extra magic I can hear with my JBL studio monitors, but it's incredible how good a little $99 SM57 can sound.

@GRequinBlanc 9 месяцев назад

That’s my exact setup

@emusandwich724 10 месяцев назад

me likey

@andrewhorne7443 10 месяцев назад

One thing these mice test videos have taught me is that your 57 sounds great. I have 3 here and none of them sound anywhere near as good. Oils ain't oils & 57's ain't 57's

@plumbummusic2051 10 месяцев назад

If you haven't done it already, try making a "tent" with a thick blanket covering your amp and mic to isolate them from room reflections. Room acoustics can make or break the recorded sound from any microphone, cheap or expensive.

@PsionicAudio 10 месяцев назад

Well, I have about five all from 20 years ago. Haven’t tried any new ones to see if they’ve changed. What amp/speaker/mic pre are you using? How are you positioning yours?

@andrewhorne7443 10 месяцев назад

@@PsionicAudio Vox AC30 Dallas era 1973 ish. Sounds great again thanks to you & Brad. Just did your Vib/Trem hotrod mod too👍. About to add Lar-Mar post PI mastser vol. 57 usually about edge of dust cap but I move it around and listen (looper pedal or re-amp to set up). I appreciate there are many differences in the chain. It struck me how good your 57 sounds that's all. Thank for all you do.

@andrewhorne7443 10 месяцев назад

@@plumbummusic2051 Yep, good call. Now that my amp is working and sounding good again, thanks to Lyle and Brad, I need to spend more time on the sound engineering side of things. Thanks for the tip.

@JoshRoberts-fo5gq 10 месяцев назад

If it's my ear fine....but on this guy's an out of tune man