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RSC 1917: France's WW1 Semiauto Rifle 

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Did you know that the French Army issued more than 80,000 semiautomatic rifles during WWI? They had been experimenting with a great many semiauto designs before the war, and in 1916 finalized a design for a rotating bolt, long stroke gas piston rifle (with more than few similarities to the M1 Garand, actually) which would see field service beginning in 1917. An improved version was put into production in 1918, but too late to see any significant combat use.
The RSC 1917 was not a perfect design, but it was good enough and the only true semiauto infantry rifle fielded by anyone in significant numbers during the war.

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Комментарии : 864   
@wolvie90
@wolvie90 4 года назад
I'm consistently impressed by Ian's ability to describe metal parts of guns, instead of "this pointy bit with a hole in it" or "the surrounding thing with a hole in it".
@DarthWillSmith
@DarthWillSmith 4 года назад
"The French don't get much respect for small arms design, but they ought to." Forgotten Weapons in a nutshell
@josedosanjosvieira4059
@josedosanjosvieira4059 3 года назад
Eu mbx
@SexyFace
@SexyFace Год назад
it's only because they were knocked out so quickly in the second world war. the free french were equipped with munitions from the previous war along with allied surpluses, thus depriving the nation of any official and original small arms advancements during the war
@vonmazur1
@vonmazur1 8 лет назад
I have one of these, the Garand used at least 7 features of this design. The French were years ahead of everyone with this design...The Kalishnikov uses the trigger/sear without many changes. My gun is a late 1918 gun with the improvements that were added to the Mle 1918...
@ragimundvonwallat8961
@ragimundvonwallat8961 7 лет назад
do you ever fire it???
@SexyFace
@SexyFace Год назад
where did you find one?
@vonmazur1
@vonmazur1 Год назад
@@SexyFace Birmingham Alabama.
@SexyFace
@SexyFace Год назад
I'm thoroughly impressed. a local gun show I'm assuming? I'm in north east Ohio, a relatively good place to find antique firearms. there are two rifles I've been on a several year long search for. an rsc & a mondragon
@vonmazur1
@vonmazur1 Год назад
@@SexyFace haven seen a Mondragon in years, and the RSC is just as hard to find!
@FMHammyJ
@FMHammyJ 7 лет назад
i'm amazed that Ian can keep so many facts and figures in his head....and speak without notes....He is a joy to listen to.....
@brianthompson5672
@brianthompson5672 4 года назад
He is a really good, but this is what he does. I'm sure you are good at your job as well sir.
@derjoejoel
@derjoejoel 8 лет назад
That bolt gliding is satisfying to watch.
@shellcracker18
@shellcracker18 8 лет назад
Glad I'm not the only one lol
@Psychol-Snooper
@Psychol-Snooper 4 года назад
It sounds smooth too!
@Psychol-Snooper
@Psychol-Snooper 4 года назад
@Medina Real Estate 8:00
@davewolf8869
@davewolf8869 4 года назад
Ah yes. The sex
@davewolf8869
@davewolf8869 4 года назад
@Medina Real Estate the whole way. Its how baby rifles are made
@BeChucky
@BeChucky 8 лет назад
As a French myself, I'm a bit surprised when you say the rear sight is graduated in yards, which isn't common in France. I think we're talking about meters here ! Great review though !
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Charles Faure Yes, I meant meters.
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons Love seeing all the old and different mechanical systems. When I was young I remember using a .22 open bolt rifle that I think was called a gevarm. I remember it didn't have an extractor or a firing pin or an ejector. Just a solid bolt with a blade shape on the face to fire the round. Do you know anything about this?
@crobulari2328
@crobulari2328 8 лет назад
+Bruce Baxter Was it a .22" short fairground or gallery gun . Loaded through the side of the stock and then a spring loaded brass rod pushed into the buttplate. If so, my Grandad had one back in the forties or early fifties. Never knew what happened to it. Grandad must have disposed of it around 1952, The open bolt you mention gave me the clue. Long time ago.
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 8 лет назад
This one was a .22lr and if you fired longs it went full auto as the blowback couldn't reach the catch and if you ran shorts it wouldn't eject at all.
@RCP-1136
@RCP-1136 Год назад
@@brucebaxter6923 classic full auto kids toy back in the day.
@alaskanbullworm5500
@alaskanbullworm5500 8 лет назад
didn't garand study French autoloading rifles when designing the garand?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Carlos B Yes.
@crobulari2328
@crobulari2328 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons I bet John Garand soon forgot about the French designs, don`t you.
@nightwind7022
@nightwind7022 8 лет назад
+Carlos B Garand should have copied the French sights, for sure. The biggest drawback to most US rifles of the time were those target-style peep-sights they put on everything. In rain, snow, or desert sands those sights were useless. I've seen a lot of old 'sporterized' military guns and the sights are the first thing they threw away.
@alaskanbullworm5500
@alaskanbullworm5500 8 лет назад
how would weather be disadvantageous? because water/snow/sand could lodge itself into the peep sight?
@nightwind7022
@nightwind7022 8 лет назад
+Carlos B Yes, they clog really easily and are hard to keep clear.
@Leetgrain
@Leetgrain 8 лет назад
It's a damn shame the French don't get the reputation they deserve with weaponry, it all seems to be focused on WWII with people.
@TonboIV
@TonboIV 8 лет назад
+Leetgrain The French had maybe the best tanks around at the beginning of WWII. The Char B1 contained some impressive technology other countries wouldn't start using for decades. It would have been interesting to have seen what they'd have come up with later if they'd managed to stay in the war. The Richelieu class battleships were pretty cool too. Richelieu herself actually 'defected' to the allies in 1943 and fought in the British fleet with a French crew.
@rigormortis6481
@rigormortis6481 8 лет назад
+TonboIV gotta luv those all forward facing turrets..:D
@TonboIV
@TonboIV 8 лет назад
+Himanshu Gogoi Yeah. Might be a bad surprise for anyone who thought they'd 'cross her T' . Just don't let anyone get behind and never retreat! Forward!
@rigormortis6481
@rigormortis6481 8 лет назад
TonboIV Forward for the third Republic !! :D
@Leetgrain
@Leetgrain 8 лет назад
canicheenrage Thanks, but I'm not one for pop quizzes. I vowed never to succumb to them ever again after finishing up with school! Haha :P
@MrMitchthegreat
@MrMitchthegreat 8 лет назад
I love the look of Great War firearms. The Semi-autos and automatics are so rough and industrial. It reminds me of a lot of concept guns in Steampunk.
@jeremiasastorga8399
@jeremiasastorga8399 7 лет назад
So basically, the French invented DLC.
@dan173
@dan173 7 лет назад
Kayraaa2 that's not funny
@happysh_t4202
@happysh_t4202 6 лет назад
Dan r/wooosh
@meehaerospace1476
@meehaerospace1476 5 лет назад
@@happysh_t4202 That's not worthy of a whoosh, he got the joke. You only whoosh if they don't get the joke, he just didn't find it funny.
4 года назад
@@happysh_t4202 Dumbass
@blondewoman1
@blondewoman1 4 года назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLC what ?
@theophileification
@theophileification 8 лет назад
One of my absolute favorite rifles from my country. Hard to find, even in France. They're not notably accurate and have some flaws but I think it looks super cool and is a very significant weapon for us along with the 1886. The Meunier is pretty cool too.
@NormanMatchem
@NormanMatchem 8 лет назад
The French deserve more respect in the way of small arms development. Flintlock, Minie ball, smokeless powder, first to use FMJ bullets I think (Swiss design?), wasn't the Chauchat the first practical LMG(?), and of course here's the RSC 1917, as well as the French-Canadian designed M1 Rifle(Garand). Vive la France! I do not say that as a Frenchman because... well... I'm not French, but I say that as a gun owner, because they've done SO MUCH to help advance firearm technology over the centuries. Also, have you tried escargot? It's actually pretty good!
@NormanMatchem
@NormanMatchem 8 лет назад
thickterranarmor All the same, an impressive feat. It's one of the first, and came out early enough to see widespread use in WWI.
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 8 лет назад
+NormanMatchem Nowhere near the first, the Benet-Mercie' machine rifle was adopted by the U.S. a good decade before the Chauchat got off the drawing board. The Chauchat is an excellent example of "just enough" industrial design, and what made it useful was the rapidity & quantities in which it was delivered, the development & adoption by the French military of an effective method of utilization rather than just throwing them in the hands of ill-trained troops & saying "Use this!" a la' the M16 in U.S. hands 50 years later on...
@NormanMatchem
@NormanMatchem 8 лет назад
Nunya Bidniz Did a bit of research on this Benet-Mercie, never heard of it before. It's better known as the Hotchkiss. Adopted by France, Britain, and America around 1909. It weighed over a pound more than the MG34 (which was 25lb by my recollection, MG42 was 24lb due to using more stamped parts and less milled parts), and was designed by the Hotchkiss company in France. The Hotchkiss company was started by an American in the 1800s, but this Hotchkiss fellow didn't live to see the 20th century; he was gone for over 2 decades before this design came out. With a name like Benet-Mercie, I believe it's safe to say that it's partially or entirely designed by the French. As for "machine rifle" by which I assume you mean "automatic rifle", yeah, at 26lb empty, it barely qualifies as an LMG, but for the first decade of the 1900s, it was no doubt revolutionary for its time.
@sergeantbigmac
@sergeantbigmac 8 лет назад
+NormanMatchem Ya I wasnt a big fan. Anything baked in that much butter (ie basically fried) and garlic is going to taste good, but the texture was way too much for me. Used to cover up an otherwise unpleasent natural taste maybe, idk? ...Lol foodie and gun nut. Makes for an eclectic mix of hobbies eh? ;)
@NormanMatchem
@NormanMatchem 8 лет назад
sergeantbigmac Had to look over my comments to see what in the Hell you were talking about lol Escargot, eh? Yeah I had it on 2 or 3 occasions, pretty tasty, though yeah, maybe it's because of the garlic and the fact it comes in a funny dish that keeps it swimming in a buttery sauce. Kind of a plate, but with a bunch of holes in it, kind of looks like it's made to hold hard boiled eggs, but instead it's filled with garlicky snails and butter.
@FyremaelGlittersparkle
@FyremaelGlittersparkle 8 лет назад
I love how much I learn from this channel.
@SigmarJuffe
@SigmarJuffe 8 лет назад
Never knew about this. Cool video.
@DillyVesper
@DillyVesper 8 лет назад
Same here.
@xerotolerant
@xerotolerant 8 лет назад
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I thought I saw them all and then this shows up in my suggestions.
@sambroman543
@sambroman543 7 лет назад
Juffe cool kovic picture
@Sniper474
@Sniper474 7 лет назад
Kovic? Is that yoooou?
@br.l.f
@br.l.f 7 лет назад
you are not the real Adam
@MrSebfrench76
@MrSebfrench76 8 лет назад
You constantly ,through your incredible vids , make more for the conservation of the french rare arms ,than the french Army itself.Really brilliant and so far from the usual "i am a badass retired from the USMC and i love firing guns" .Thanks so much.
@556deltawolf
@556deltawolf 8 лет назад
That gun looks like a Lebel got impregnanted by a Chauchat! XD
@AtholAnderson
@AtholAnderson 8 лет назад
+556deltawolf Well it WAS (partially) designed by Mister Chauchat, and it DOES use Lebel furniture, so... :P
@TheStewieOne
@TheStewieOne 8 лет назад
+556deltawolf If I were an American Soldier at the time and knew that this rifle was made by guy who designed the Chauchat. I wouldn't even handle this rifle. We Americans hated the Chauchat. So I will stick with my Springfield or Enfield Rilfes thank you.
@vguyver2
@vguyver2 8 лет назад
+TheStewieOne his rifles weren't too bad. Just horrible quality control.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 лет назад
+556deltawolf They both assure us that it was consensual.
@jean-baptistecarrere-gee9157
@jean-baptistecarrere-gee9157 8 лет назад
+TheStewieOne Actually the Chauchat used by the American whas horrible because it used the .30-06 cartridge hen ammo that made the weapon even more subject to overheating(because it whas more powerfull than 8mm lebel) alslo the 1918 series suffered from flaw in the design of the barrel.
@GECKOZFTW
@GECKOZFTW 7 лет назад
I absolutely love this channel. I learn so much just from one video. Keep this channel alive, brother. Greetings from Poland.
@milgeekmedia
@milgeekmedia 8 лет назад
It's amazing how French arms development is sort of dismissed. I've learned so much about French weapons of this period lately and it's given me a real respect for them. On the artillery front the Canon de 75 modèle 1897 (75mm field gun) was fantastic, in the air Neuports and Spads were wonderful. And this rifle is pretty nice too.
@Wasssup3232
@Wasssup3232 7 лет назад
Hope the "they shall not pass" dlc has this weapon added to bf1
@Loutral
@Loutral 7 лет назад
I foresee Lebel or Berthier for bolt action. Meunier or RSC for self loading. Chauchat for LMG. Ribeyrolles 1918 for SMG and Revolver Mle 1892 or Ruby for handgun. I can't wait !
@HKSlapActual
@HKSlapActual 7 лет назад
was literally going to type this
@Siencyns1989
@Siencyns1989 7 лет назад
Real world issues be damned, I'm so hype about using the Chauchat.
@Wasssup3232
@Wasssup3232 7 лет назад
Chauchat was actually a very good lmg, in one of ians videos he says why it was considered awful :)
@letmeouttamycage
@letmeouttamycage 7 лет назад
It is being added, and it will pack quite a punch.
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 8 лет назад
The description on the RIA catalogue says "mechanically fine" and doesn't mention the clipped firing pin; maybe you should advise them of its condition so that they can improve their description?
@XanderTuron
@XanderTuron 8 лет назад
I think that the intent of using the Lebel furniture was that first of all it is already available, and second of all, it might make it harder for enemy snipers to distinguish who had a Lebel and who had a RSC 1917. Just my thoughts
@sillylittleowlguy2392
@sillylittleowlguy2392 4 года назад
Plausible
@discerningscoundrel3055
@discerningscoundrel3055 3 года назад
It could also be for accountancy reasons; disguising them as upgrade kits might be enough to pull the wool over the eyes of someone higher up who didn't like the idea of issuing a new rifle design, or it could enable the use of a different part of the budget, ie money set aside for maintenance etc rather than needing money to be allocated for new rifles.
@jonbush7467
@jonbush7467 8 лет назад
Ian has taught me that the French developed some pretty cool stuff the past 125 years or so. Thanks Ian!
@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus
@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus 8 лет назад
Best gun in the verdun game!
@ryandick7264
@ryandick7264 8 лет назад
Same ammo capacity and one hit kill ability as you standard bolt action rifle, but now semi auto!
@soapkiller3239
@soapkiller3239 8 лет назад
I think it's one of the worst guns it's really hard to use
@LoneWolf051
@LoneWolf051 8 лет назад
its all about the skill of the shooter
@a_shuchu_601
@a_shuchu_601 8 лет назад
+1. great accuracy, one shot - one kill AND semi-auto. the only drawback is the reload.
@konnigkratz
@konnigkratz 7 лет назад
Terrible sights let it down. Give me a Enfield instead
@IrontMesdent
@IrontMesdent 7 лет назад
I know there's only 4 in existence, but if you can, I would love to see a video about the Huot automatic conversion of the Ross rifle. I read a bit about it (It cost about 50$ to convert the ross rifle into a full auto LMG instead of 1000$ for a new lewis gun) and I'm super intrigued by how it actually works. That, and I'm also a french speaking Canadian so It would be cool to see a prototype weapon from my part of the world :P
@giterdone246
@giterdone246 5 лет назад
Same I love the look of the Huot Automatic Rifle. I'm sure it would be very difficult for Ian to get a look at the very few remaining Huots. If he is even given the chance probably no shooting video sadly.
@achillebelanger989
@achillebelanger989 5 лет назад
How about a Ross study contract 1911?
@andrewlavoie6034
@andrewlavoie6034 4 года назад
The Huot was more reliable than the Lewis gun too, the only problem with it (the Ross rifle had the same problem) is that the action was too tight, so almost as soon as mud or grime got into the action it would jam. What a shame, the Ross rifle was very accurate and used frequently as a marksman rifle.
@cameroncowen5011
@cameroncowen5011 4 года назад
Boy does Ian have just the video for you
@RealKazukiShikimori
@RealKazukiShikimori 8 лет назад
I like how at the end you said, "Good Luck, if you want to try and make this your own." Something with this much history must be extremely expensive and go for a lot at Auction Houses such as Rock Island.
@WhiteCavendish
@WhiteCavendish 8 лет назад
Wow, amazingly modern design. It's remarkable how similar the action is to the Garand, mechanically speaking. I definitely think the French are much maligned when it comes to anything military, sometimes unfairly as this rifle demonstrates. Another great vid, thanks Ian! :)
@dragonbutt
@dragonbutt 7 лет назад
Coolest semi automatic rifle ever. I want one. I want many of them. The fact that they handed them specifically to "Spirited" individuals makes them that much more awesome. Many years ago someone probably held that rifle and went aww yeah just like someone would today.
@Jmcculloughc1350
@Jmcculloughc1350 8 лет назад
I just realized thanks to this video that I never 100% understood how a rotating locking bolt actually unlocked until now. I'm still not sure how recoil operated ones functioned so I was wondering if he has a great video where he shows one? I can't help but admire the mechanics.
@pepperspray7386
@pepperspray7386 8 лет назад
So early 20th century had it's own form of downloadable content.
@sdymddc
@sdymddc 8 лет назад
Thanks a lot to show us one of our rarest rifles ! I was looking since a long time for a closer looks of that's rifle. I hope that one day you will present us the meunier 1916 and maybe, an another rare weapon, the STA modèle 1924. Thanks a lot for your high quality presentations. Best regards from France
@medicineman360
@medicineman360 5 лет назад
That's some hard-core machining on that bolt. No? I can't imagine these being cheap to mass produce.
@mekaerwin7187
@mekaerwin7187 8 лет назад
I got a chuckle when you said they were given to the guys who could best exploit them and listed company CO's. Not that you are wrong (how would I know), but it made me think of some of my CO's exploiting any weapon. The CO's with the most decked out M4's tended to be the ones who would be the least likely to be using them.
@Logaweed
@Logaweed 7 лет назад
This channel is so amazing. Not only do you showcase modern weapons but you also help educate and preserve history by showing old rifles like this.
@ultrahevybeat
@ultrahevybeat 8 лет назад
oh i love how many videos you are putting out now
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 7 лет назад
50% of the comments are BF1 hopes for French faction... Tnx a lot EA... I am just here to learn the gun
@zackbatcountry5647
@zackbatcountry5647 7 лет назад
then learn about the gun and ignore the bf1 comments what's difference does it make to you?
@bradleyhall1746
@bradleyhall1746 7 лет назад
zack Batcountry the same difference that out makes to you thay he commented on people commenting on battlefield.. and the same difference it makes to me that you commented on him commenting.. it's a comments section.. People are going to comment.. drink your own lemonade..
@Immortalkalashnikov
@Immortalkalashnikov 7 лет назад
You should thank BF1 for inspiring people to appreciate older weapons more. Before BF1, I could give two shits about old weapons. I prefer modern weapons but now I am starting to research about WW1 weapons.
@Immortalkalashnikov
@Immortalkalashnikov 7 лет назад
n bo Not really. I got into guns because of Battlefield Bad Company 2. My first firearm was a Mosin Nagant and then a SGL 21. I still enjoy shooters. Especially shooters that feature the weapons that I own. I don't have any genuine BF1 weapons but my closest is my 1903A3 which pretty much the same rifle with a few differences.
@XDAWG756
@XDAWG756 7 лет назад
n bo hmm possible cuz it's a video game. No offence or anything just saying
@axelc8801
@axelc8801 8 лет назад
Didn´t the French use meters on their sights? Interesting video btw.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+Axel C Whoops, did I say yards? It should have been meters.
@rlbadger1698
@rlbadger1698 8 лет назад
Great stuff, I'm hoping C&Rsenal will do a peace on this.
@Candrsenal
@Candrsenal 8 лет назад
+Rl Badger We're still digging around for all sorts of exotics from the war! First chance we get!
@rlbadger1698
@rlbadger1698 8 лет назад
+C&Rsenal Oh you cheap b@$+#%& ! Just come off the $3.5K to 5.5K and buy it at auction. Make a video and RU-vid will pay you back for it after 5,500,000 views. PS REALLY,REALLY love your stuff!
@randomlyentertaining8287
@randomlyentertaining8287 8 лет назад
+Rl Badger +C&Rsenal Isn't it epic when a channel you mention replies to your comment? lol
@rlbadger1698
@rlbadger1698 8 лет назад
I just hope Indie Neidell never hears of me talking about his channel, that guy scares me. I'm afraid his magic desk will get me.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 лет назад
+Rl Badger is right. You really should just buy it at auction. ;)
@caseyc408
@caseyc408 8 лет назад
This channel rules!
@pops55650
@pops55650 4 года назад
When you pulled back the bolt, it seemed like a real smooth action, at least in camera
@StonewallJackson304
@StonewallJackson304 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons Hey Ian have you ever played the PC game Verdun?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+cope030 Yep
@DormantGames
@DormantGames 8 лет назад
+Forgotten Weapons Out of curiosity, how was it? I've not got it myself, but would like to know if it's any good (:
@StonewallJackson304
@StonewallJackson304 8 лет назад
***** Get it man its amazing, if you like rising storm/red orchestra you will love it.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 8 лет назад
Who in their right mind would dislike this video? Great work Ian, I love the channel and always get excited to see new videos.
@alexanderm3504
@alexanderm3504 7 лет назад
French DLC for BF1 i guarantee that.. I'm really hoping we get to play as a Legionnaire, in the French DLC
@andreizedlav7303
@andreizedlav7303 7 лет назад
From what I've seen it's not likely, unless there'll be two or more different representations of French forces.
@jgn69
@jgn69 8 лет назад
Great video Ian ! I have been curious about this rifle for a long time, thanks for all the info:) Best regards Vintovka builder
@Grogutz
@Grogutz 8 лет назад
i don't know how i've gone this long without knowing the proper use of those old iron sights, Thank you
@timcoxman6433
@timcoxman6433 8 лет назад
Bygone politics aside(as many of the comments herein seem to focus on), I just want to say that your videos are the most informative and well rounded firearms entries on youtube. I enjoy firearms mostly for their mechanical innovations and intricacies. I can tell that you share my fascination with the history and ingenuity that created these instruments. Only their use is subject to politics.
@willyhearrell9060
@willyhearrell9060 8 лет назад
I can get used to 1 video a day...
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+willy hearrell It'll last for another couple weeks, then we will drop back to 2/week for a while.
@Maxsimodem
@Maxsimodem 3 года назад
@@ForgottenWeapons Ian, I am from the future. I have come to tell you that even through a global pandemic, you will continue to upload once per day, all through the writing and signing of your own book! How cool is that?
@originaltonywilk
@originaltonywilk 8 лет назад
Thanks Ian, entertaining and informative as ever. I guess the gas port plug would make it easy to adjust the amount of blowback by machining plug grooves to different depths and/or different hole sizes - I wonder if this was intentional ?
@fhsreelfilms
@fhsreelfilms 8 лет назад
I just about did a happy dance when I saw you'd done a video about this! Thanks for bringing such a cool piece onto the show. It's great to finally see one. I think I read once that certain features of the Mle. 1917 and Mle. 1918 rifles inspired John Garand with his project.
@PredatorKillsAlien
@PredatorKillsAlien 8 лет назад
I've been waiting for a video on this particular rifle for ages. Ever since I learned of its existence I've been fascinated by it. Everything about it screams that this is how semi-automatic battle rifles should look (in over all design, not specifically this configuration). Aesthetically, this is what I prefer in battle rifles. A long stock that comes up near the end of the barrel, the gas tube concealed withing said stock, and just being long like that. That's part of why I'm more of a fan of the Gewehr '98 than I am of the Kar98k. To me, for some odd reason, a short bolt action just doesn't seem right (but a shorter semi-auto is fine with me, and I'm not sure why for either of these), and the distance between the front and rear barrel bands looks too short for my preference (again, I prefer the Gewehr '98 in this regard). With all of those things in mind, when I saw this, I fell in love with it, which was odd for me, because there was a bit of a stigma in my mind towards French firearms, which I guess, rather illogically, stemmed from how I viewed them in WW2, which is to say that many were desperately thrown together just to get something out there to kill Germans with. On a slightly related note, I'm actually designing a rifle like this for Germany in a story I am writing set in WW2, and this obviously is instrumental in that design (both in the lore of the story setting and in my actual design).
@ahtauwylye1340
@ahtauwylye1340 2 года назад
Can you email me your story for a review?
@samcyphers
@samcyphers 8 лет назад
your videos are so great! Thanks for all the history behind each. I had no clue this all happened
@Xerxes1688
@Xerxes1688 8 лет назад
The magazine system is pretty similar to the one of the PTRS-41 anti-tank rifle. Maybe Simonov got the inspiration from this french rifle. I guess that style of magazine works well for an AT rifle, but not so well for an infantry rifle. The SKS is pretty much a scaled down PTRS, but with a more conventional top loading fixed magazine..
@marcamant7258
@marcamant7258 5 лет назад
It is ever a pleasure to listen such an informative and well-balanced lecture about weapons.
@bobgarr6246
@bobgarr6246 8 лет назад
Every once and awhile I come across a firearm that I didn't know existed. Bravo Ian. As in most things, including firearms design, one can see with this rifle that there are few concepts and ideas that are new. More than 100 years ago the rotating bolt and multiple locking lugs were not only thought of but were being used in production firearms. Nothing new under the sun , huh. Semper Fi
@josephschu7969
@josephschu7969 8 лет назад
It's such a silly thing, but that magazine cover is adorable.
@admiralpercy
@admiralpercy 8 лет назад
I can't seem to find the A6 Minie you mentioned, or the 7mm Minie cartridge. Am I spelling it wrong?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
Meunier.
@admiralpercy
@admiralpercy 8 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons omg, it's beautiful! I'll take a dozen.
@g-dcomplex1609
@g-dcomplex1609 2 года назад
this one is obviously a holdover from the musket era, super cool pioneer in semi-auto design
@Eastwood007x
@Eastwood007x 8 лет назад
Other than also being a southpaw named Ian, I also look at French small arms favorably (setting aside bias that comes with French heritage) - I know I'm gonna love your channel! ;D
@jamesranger6283
@jamesranger6283 8 лет назад
Very nice piece. the action sounds smooth as well. Very pleasing to look at.
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA 8 лет назад
cool to see more detail on this rifle!..... you can still see the influence on later designs....
@smokeydops
@smokeydops 8 лет назад
I had no idea about this gun! Thank you for the informative video.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 лет назад
I am not surprised the French were the first to mass issue semi-automatics. They also made the first modern style tank layout. The French have been on the cutting edge of weapons technology for a good long while. Only after WWII did the French start to be surpassed.
@Valmo2379
@Valmo2379 8 лет назад
+Jesse Sisolack It's a bad thing, yes our ancestors improved but today nothing new.... They want to replace the Famas with a foreign brand assault rifle just for a question of company money.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 лет назад
+Valmo2379 Well in France's defense, the world has become much more globally linked since. It is rare to have a locally made product these days no matter where you are. I am sure eventually humans will not even have countries anymore, especially when we start leaving this planet more. I will long be dust before that happens though, ha.
@Valmo2379
@Valmo2379 8 лет назад
You're right my friend, maybe the next generations if the world is not destroyed.
@corsehaigazia
@corsehaigazia 7 лет назад
Rafale, Char Leclerc, sous marin de classe Rubis, Porte avion nucléaire Charles De Gaulle. T'es sur qu'on est surpassé technologiquement la?
@rickautry2759
@rickautry2759 8 лет назад
Geez - all the machining that went into that bolt! Quite time consuming and expensive (it looks to me)... Otherwise, it looks like an interesting rifle.
@Metalkillerification
@Metalkillerification 7 лет назад
It's cool seeing a bolt that looks like it's from a later era automatic rifle being pulled out of a 1917 weapon.
@appalachiangunman9589
@appalachiangunman9589 4 года назад
It’s kind of strange that machine guns became mainstream before semi-auto rifles.
@MDC1972.
@MDC1972. 4 года назад
Dick head 🇦🇺
@harrowedone974
@harrowedone974 2 года назад
I want one of these so bad, they are so interesting and I love them to bits.
@kawaiikitty495
@kawaiikitty495 8 лет назад
You always bring up a gun that just blows my mind. Very very neat.
@nightwind7022
@nightwind7022 8 лет назад
What a cool rifle---another one for the wish-list. By the magazine design and gas piston, I could see Chauchat's engineering right away. Question on this gun: what is the recoil like with that gas-piston design in a semi-auto?
@me67galaxylife
@me67galaxylife 8 лет назад
It seem it have very hard recoil
@The1Helleri
@The1Helleri 8 лет назад
That thing looks really heavy.
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 2 года назад
I actually did realise the French equipped soldiers with this weapon. Cool design and asethetics. Excited to learn about its performance here
@farkasmate14
@farkasmate14 8 лет назад
It would be interesting to see a comparison between this, a Mondragon M1908 and a Fedorov Avtomat.
@JessicaKStark
@JessicaKStark 8 лет назад
I think someone might be stealing your videos. The up next is the same video, same thumbnail, with mp4 stuck on the end, uploaded by TheLoner47.
@DrunkNotIAm
@DrunkNotIAm 7 лет назад
Hope this makes it into Battlefield 1 with the french DLC
@Arthurzeiro
@Arthurzeiro 7 лет назад
You bet it will, along with the M1915 Chauchat LMG wich I really want to use.
@KebeQ
@KebeQ 7 лет назад
elite dumbass the gun was actually good, the ones that were bad were the 30/6 American conversion
@maxbielinski2276
@maxbielinski2276 7 лет назад
I bet my balls it will be in the game! I'm looking foward to it
@Bunters196
@Bunters196 7 лет назад
No, when the Chauchat was invented it was labelled "the worst machine gun ever made". And still holds that title today. There's one in Leeds Armoury and I read a big bit on it.
@UgandanAirForce
@UgandanAirForce 7 лет назад
the only bad thing about it was the fact that you couldn't fire it after shooting 300 rounds without stopping (this was an automatic rifle and wasn't suppose to do that anyways), and the magazine was kinda garbage. Other than that, it wasn't bad
@versal339
@versal339 8 лет назад
Great Job Ian, another rife even someone like myself was not aware of.
@Mildcat743
@Mildcat743 8 лет назад
So can the magazine system be comparable to a Russian PTRS?
@Philmarken1
@Philmarken1 8 лет назад
Never knew about this rifle --- nice video Ian, keep them up!
@freedomisntfreeffs
@freedomisntfreeffs 3 года назад
interesting that it uses a spring in the gas system as a return spring instead of behind the bolt.
@kentr2424
@kentr2424 3 года назад
Just like a Garand/M14 rifle...
@yPhil
@yPhil 7 лет назад
Ian, I learned more about my own country, France, in your all American videos, than I care to admit :)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Merci! :)
@DoDzillanator
@DoDzillanator 7 лет назад
Amazing! This is almost like an AK. Wonder what would have happened to the WW1 if they just had added a 30 cartridge magazine and a semi/full auto possibility
@hailexiao2770
@hailexiao2770 4 года назад
I don't think a 30 round magazine is possible in this caliber. Drum, maybe.
@Moue666
@Moue666 7 лет назад
Love the sound of the bolt getting cycled
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 8 лет назад
So I wonder what it would take to get the devs of Verdun to put this in the game.
@PlanetHell92
@PlanetHell92 8 лет назад
+TroopperFoFo And your wish was granted.
@TacticalViper
@TacticalViper 8 лет назад
+TroopperFoFo They did!
@jason1182000
@jason1182000 8 лет назад
.Judging from the rifle's name, it was made in 1917. The Battle of Verdun, which the game is centered around, happened in 1916...
@TacticalViper
@TacticalViper 8 лет назад
TheGaminWeasel The game will have more further areas in the future. So its fine.
@jason1182000
@jason1182000 8 лет назад
TacticalViper Oh haven't really gotten a chance to play it...
@pkt1213
@pkt1213 8 лет назад
Wow. What an interesting rifle. Compared to other early semi-auto rifles, this thing was fairly simple didn't come apart in to 100,000 little pieces.
@youngy1919
@youngy1919 8 лет назад
Learnt alot there and to be honest a very nice looking piece of kit.
@tb7771
@tb7771 8 лет назад
After seeing one of these in the Kansas City WW1 museum I have wanted one.
@rasiabsgamingcorner2258
@rasiabsgamingcorner2258 8 лет назад
It might be just me but when yiu operate the charging handle that sound it makes sounds amazing
@bubbamike4743
@bubbamike4743 7 лет назад
Just got the gun in Bf1, it's awesome!
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 8 лет назад
I have actually handled and shot one of these. We did not have any clips for it but it was quite easy to use as a single shot. Recoil was negligible from such a heavy rifle but the action was quite violent.I can see how it would break parts. It must have been the later design because it held open on every shot.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+slowpokebr549 There was a European company that made reproduction 1917 clips a bunch of years ago, but they are very difficult to find now, unfortunately. I have been told that at least a few 1917s were field-modified to use the standard Berthier clip, but I don't have any indication how to tell that by sight.
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 8 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons The rifle was owned by an older friend of my family. He has long since passed as has his collection. He had some really obscure weapons.Your video brought back fond memories, thank you.
@jasward3826
@jasward3826 8 лет назад
This is one of my favourite channels
@cesarpallincourt9987
@cesarpallincourt9987 8 лет назад
Really glad to see a video about this rifle. I am French but i am also a reenactor and this is my favourite rifle. Next a video about the italian breda 30?
@blitoris
@blitoris 8 лет назад
I'd love to know the reasons of why people give your videos a thumbs down. They're clear, concise and informative. What possible reason could they have?
@4192362
@4192362 8 лет назад
Hi Ian, big fan of the channel. Feel that you ought to know a RU-vidr under the username TheLoner47 is reposting your RSC 1917 video. Keep up the good work.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
+4192362 Thanks - I'm on it.
@cariboupetepeterson3711
@cariboupetepeterson3711 8 лет назад
Great video, Ian!
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 8 лет назад
It amaze me how they can mill parts with such precision hundreds of years ago.
@BigSwede7403
@BigSwede7403 8 лет назад
I knew the French had some semi-auto rifles in WW 1, but not to that extent. Thanks for the info, interesting as always. :)
@Targetpopper
@Targetpopper 8 лет назад
To say Garand didn't mess around with one of these is crazy. I really wish I had the cash to bid on this rifle.
@ihateemael
@ihateemael 7 лет назад
Hi Ian, that gas port cover looks like a type of delay valve design. Ive seen similar used in other applications. Of course I could be completely wrong lol !!
@filipeamaral216
@filipeamaral216 8 лет назад
Do a video on the Ribeyrolle 1918! It was the first functional weapon with an intermediate cartridge.
@markoneil6562
@markoneil6562 Год назад
This rifle has a shockingly smooth sounding action
@mr.quarters6047
@mr.quarters6047 8 лет назад
Ian, I bet you drooled over this rifle. I've heard you mention how badly you want one of these bad boys. How often have you heard of these being on the market?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
Not often...usually a few come up for sale each year.
@johnaffleck6572
@johnaffleck6572 8 лет назад
I think that's a remarkable design; with many excellent concepts; that we're going to see repeated many times in the future of the Self-loader. Ian, have you ever studied the French 75mm Fast-Firing light artillery piece of WW1 ? Actually started around 1895, or so; it's a text book example of "development"; and the fact that the testing and improving phases started so early, vis a vis, the "Great War"; allowed it to appear on the Battlefield as a truly outstanding piece of ordnance. It was studied in great detail by the Americans at Aberdeen, I believe; and it includes so many perfected, and yet, wholly new, systems and principles of operation; that it should put anyone's mind to rest about the fact that weapons design genius is pretty evenly distributed amongst the nations. It was a huge battlefield success story; and did you know that %75 of the Weapons induced casualties in the War were caused by Artillery ? No matter how many times; various "historians" repeat the story of the Generals "not understanding" the machine gun; I suppose this will remain a fact. I would heartily recommend to you the US study of the "French75"; as a really remarkable example of cutting edge, and / or, just plain newly invented technology that was also %100 successful in real world conditions. It was a remarkable weapons system. I've learned many interesting things from your video reportage; and I certainly appreciate your efforts. Cheers.
@kenneth9874
@kenneth9874 Год назад
With the amount of shells fired I wouldn't have been surprised if it were a higher percentage
@wastedangelematis
@wastedangelematis 8 лет назад
so cool to be shown such things
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